Eli Lindsey, eight, top, spars with Gage Bloomer, eight, during practice at Garage Boys Fight Crew in Carthage, Mo, on Wednesday, March 5, 2008. Lindsey and Bloomer train at the facility in southwest Missouri for ultimate fighting events.(AP Photo/Mike Gullett)

Ultimate Fights Expand to Include Kids

MARCUS KABEL | March 27, 2008 08:53 AM EST | AP

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CARTHAGE, Mo. — Ultimate fighting was once the sole domain of burly men who beat each other bloody in anything-goes brawls on pay-per-view TV.

But the sport often derided as "human cockfighting" is branching out.

The bare-knuckle fights are now attracting competitors as young as 6 whose parents treat the sport as casually as wrestling, Little League or soccer.

The changes were evident on a recent evening in southwest Missouri, where a team of several young boys and one girl grappled on gym mats in a converted garage.

Two members of the group called the "Garage Boys Fight Crew" touched their thin martial-arts gloves in a flash of sportsmanship before beginning a relentless exchange of sucker punches, body blows and swift kicks.

No blood was shed. And both competitors wore protective gear. But the bout reflected the decidedly younger face of ultimate fighting. The trend alarms medical experts and sports officials who worry that young bodies can't withstand the pounding.

Tommy Bloomer, father of two of the "Garage Boys," doesn't understand the fuss.

"We're not training them for dog fighting," said Bloomer, a 34-year-old construction contractor. "As a parent, I'd much rather have my kids here learning how to defend themselves and getting positive reinforcement than out on the streets."

Bloomer said the sport has evolved since the no-holds-barred days by adding weight classes to better match opponents and banning moves such as strikes to the back of the neck and head, groin kicking and head butting.

Missouri appears to be the only state in the nation that explicitly allows the youth fights. In many states, it is a misdemeanor for children to participate. A few states have no regulations.

Supporters of the sport acknowledge that allowing fights between kids sounds brutal at first. But they insist the competitions have plenty of safety rules.

"It looks violent until you realize this teaches discipline. One of the first rules they learn is that this is not for aggressive behavior outside (the ring)," said Larry Swinehart, a Joplin police officer and father of two boys and the lone girl in the garage group.

The sport, which is also known as mixed martial arts or cage fighting, has already spread far beyond cable television. Last month, CBS became the first of the Big Four television networks to announce a deal to broadcast primetime fights. The fights have attracted such a wide audience, they are threatening to surpass boxing as the nation's most popular pugilistic sport.

Hand-to-hand combat is also popping up on the big screen. The film "Never Back Down," described as "The Karate Kid" for the YouTube generation, has taken in almost $17 million in two weeks at the box office. Another current mixed martial arts movie, "Flash Point," an import from Hong Kong, is in limited release.

Bloomer said the fights are no more dangerous or violent than youth wrestling. He watched as his sons, 11-year-old Skyler and 8-year-old Gage, locked arms and legs and wrestled to the ground with other kids in the garage in Carthage, about 135 miles south of Kansas City.

The 11 boys and one girl on the team range from 6 to 14 years old and are trained by Rudy Lindsey, a youth wrestling coach and a professional mixed martial arts heavyweight.

"The kids learn respect and how to defend themselves. It's no more dangerous than any other sport and probably less so than some," Lindsey said.

Lindsey said the children wear protective headgear, shin guards, groin protection and martial-arts gloves. They fight quick, two-minute bouts. Rules also prohibit any elbow blows and blows to the head when an opponent is on the ground.

"If they get in trouble or get bad grades, I'll hear about it and they can't come to training," he added.

In most states, mixed martial arts is overseen by boxing commissions. In Missouri, the Office of Athletics regulates the professional fights but not the amateur events, which include the youth bouts. For amateurs, the regulation is done by sanctioning bodies that have to register with the athletics office.

The rules are different in Oklahoma, where unauthorized fights are generally a misdemeanor offense. The penalty is a maximum 30 days in jail and a fine up to $1,000.

Joe Miller, administrator of the Oklahoma Professional Boxing Commission, said youth fights are banned in his state, and he wants it to stay that way.

"There's too much potential for damage to growing joints," he said.

Miller said mixed martial arts uses a lot of arm and leg twisting to force opponents into submission. Those moves, he said, pressure joints in a way not found in sanctioned sports like youth boxing or wrestling.

But Nathan Orand, a martial arts trainer from Tulsa, Okla., said kids are capable of avoiding injuries, especially with watchful referees in the rings. He thinks the sport is bound to grow.

"I can see their point because when you say 'cage fighting,' that right there just sounds like kids shouldn't be doing it," Orand said.

"But you still have all the respect that regular martial arts teach you. And it's really the only true way for youth to be able to defend themselves."

Back in the Carthage garage, Bloomer said parents shouldn't worry about kids becoming aggressive from learning mixed martial arts. He said his older son was picked on by bullies at school repeatedly last year but never fought them, instead reporting the problem to his teachers.

And fighters including his 8-year-old son get along once a bout is over, Bloomer said.

"When they get out of the cage, they go back and play video games together. It doesn't matter who won and who lost. They're still little buddies."


 
 

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The reporter on this story obviously did not know what he was talking about. There is no such thing as "ultimate fighting". There is the Ultimate Fighting Championship which is a league for mixed martial arts, MMA. MMA is an international sport combining aspects of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Greco-Roman wrestling, freestyle wrestling, Thai Kick Boxing, standard boxing, Karate, and Tae Kwan Do.

Some of the competitors in the UFC are former olympians, almost all are college educated and contrary to the story; gloves, mouthpieces and other protective gear are always worn. There are professional referees and all bouts are sanctioned by the respective state athletic commissions.

The professional athletes in MMA hail from the US, Brazil, Canada, the UK, France, Japan, Belarus and even include a Croation law maker.

The author of this story was doing his job and being sensational, got our attention right? But critics should do a little researcher before passing judgement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 03/28/2008

Encouraging children this young to fight is pretty vile by any standard. Nonetheless, with kids sports, it's how it's done that is generally the problem.

Our kids participated in rec league "non-competitive" soccer, where the rules mandated that all kids were to play equal time and scores were not to be kept.

Apparently, the rules didn't mean sh-t to many of the parents and even the "coaches" who then shamelessly proceeded to destroy the experience for everyone by attempting to live viciourously through their child in the form of parents encouraging violence and hyper-aggressiveness in their win at all cost motivated shouts to their children, and coaches regularly having their own children play the whole gain while less favored kids set out the game in tears. Great lessons for 8 and 9 year olds, right?

American culture is shamefully anti-intellectual and obsessed with violence, and this is just more cummulative evidence of that sad fact.

Just a guess, but I'm thinking that's not the best formula for a positive future in this Nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 03/27/2008

I've got no problem with kids beating "the snot" (as one poster calls it) out of each other. My older brother and I spent years beating the snot out of each other. But we did it to settle our differences, not because our father was a frustrated, emasculated, redneck. Yes, my dad was a redneck, but he didn't expect his children to fight each other to make him look like a man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 03/27/2008

This is disgusting. I wrestled in high school, I love competition, and I even dislike pacifists. But this is a disgrace. Boxing is bad enough, but mma is not a sport. Competitive fighting, wrestling included, does not teach disipline in any way. The only discipline I learned in wrestling was how overcome fear in order to fight another human. All the people I have met that used to be boxers or fighters of some kind are a**hats that like to bully other people or use violence to get there own way. I realize people like this are in every state and town, but god I hate the south. And the midwest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 03/27/2008

MMA is more of a sport than boxing. Not only do you need to be able to strike (punches AND kicks), but you need to be able to grapple (which isn't just wrestling, but submission).
The level of conditioning needed for MMA is far greater than most sports, so it is INDEED a sport.
I have met MMA Fighters, and I myself enjoy the sport immensely and plan to start training again, and I (they) are normal people, not crazed lunatics looking to beat people up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 03/28/2008

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 03/27/2008

The problem with most adult supervision is that the adult is all too often an idiot who is just that far from being a damn child him/herself. Well, if fighting dogs in illegal, lets fight children!!!

At 3.5 - 1, little Johnny Hussein is a lock...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 03/27/2008

I grew up in L.A., and have seen more brain dead boxers from regular boxing, no less seeing this shit. Any parent that let's their child take part in this shit should be incarcerated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 03/27/2008

We're not talking about boxing.
In boxing the fighters are hit in the head over and over again for 12 rounds. If they are knocked down by a punch (flash knockout) they are just stood back up.
In MMA, if you are unable to defend yourself the ref will stop the fight.
An MMA Fighter takes far less head damage than a boxer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 03/28/2008

AGREE.......this is SICK. Parents of these kids need to be dealt harshly, including arrest. And you are so right about Boxing. My cousin was a fighter. Fought professionally. Was a sparring partner for former champion Bobby Foster, contenders Bossman Jones, Mark Tessman, and Roger Rouse around 30-35 years ago. He slurs, stutters, now takes longer to think. Sad watching it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 03/27/2008

The most important thing is to now move this to school as a method of conflict resolution

I'm sorry ,but in realtiy, you have to beat your opponent, make them scream and bleed before they'll leave you alone. Telling the teacher just makes it worse because they'll just find you later and make you pay double

When the kid that punches himself, and then tells the teacher you did it is tossed int he cage and the padlock put on. There's nowhere for him to run, and appropriate correction can be applied

This is how Republicans have to be dealt with, because they are cowards. You lock them in the cage, and beat the living crap out of them. Only after you've got them pinned to the ground, howling in a hammerlock with your knee in their kidneys can you even begin to have a civilized conversation

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 03/27/2008

I think we just called this "beating the crap out of each other" when I was growing up in Chicago. It was an all too popular pastime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 03/27/2008

All martial arts places depend on children for their subistance.
This is a natural outcome for that martial art.
All state governments need to regulate martial arts schools since they mainly handle children.
Every Martial Arts School should have a state licence and be regularly inspected with all of their employees and volunteers going through a background check twice a year.
Then the Ulitmate Fignting tournaments will look like the AAU tournaments where NO ONE GETS HURT, unless they do not follow the rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 03/27/2008


Sorry but this sounds like child abuse to me.

These parents need to be seriously evaluated by social services.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 03/27/2008

I'm an amateur boxer and I've previously trained in MMA. I'm also a college grad and I make my living using my brain.

I've seen 6-8 year olds training and competing in boxing and wrestling. I don't really see how this is different. MMA (and other combat sports) aren't just two mindless brutes beating the snot out of each other- there's a lot of hard work and discipline in the training. In fact, that's the only thing that's going to save your ass when it's just you and your opponent in the ring. This work ethic has carried over into other aspects of my life and has helped me immensely. I think it can only be helpful for children to learn this from an early age.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 03/27/2008

Maybe men are starting to be men again instead of emasculated wussies trying to placate the feminazis for the last thirty years...Hillary says it "Takes a Village". No, it takes a good father who will teach his sons and daughters right from wrong, how to protect their rights, how to look out for others without looking to the government to do it...Families are the target of the Progressive left and have been since Woodrow Wilson( he wanted to industrialize education to make the children as different from the parents as possible, creating Automatons who depended on the state for everything cradle to grave)...In physics, water finds its own level. In life, people will eventually see that our government, both Democrats and Republicans are trying to control individuals, for the purpose of power resting solely in the political class. Individuals are starting to see why this country was created: Individual liberty without government intrusion....This sport may teach children how to be self reliant, and get their fat little asses away from an X-Box for a few minutes to live in a competitive world.............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 03/27/2008
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I grew up in a tough industrial city. I was taught to defend myself, which I can do as well as anyone.

But I was also taught NEVER to start fight, and that might didn't make right; right made right.

I was also taught to value learning above all else, while many of the other neighborhood kids were taught to act like tough-guy thugs above all else.

The result: The "tough-guy" thugs are still in that sh-t-hole neighborhood, or worse, in jail or dead. I spent my time studying, learning, and other "wussie" stuff like that. Turns out I am now relatively wealthy and able to hire people to fight for me if necessary. It never is though.

In the "real world" intellectual strength is what really matters.

Teach you children to value learning not violence.

Anything else is child abuse and self-destructive for your child.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 03/27/2008

I'm on vacation out in Arizona,visiting my brother and I'm not used to his computer and by accident I entered being a fan of yours! I'm absolutely NOT! Your a demented Neanderthal,your screen name illustrates that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 03/27/2008

Defending yourself is one thing, everybody agrees on that.....This (Ultimate Fighting) shit is something else....BTW, we were NEVER wussies. The men of this nation freed the slaves (Civil War), won WW1 and WW2. Kept S. Korea from going communist. I am a VietNam Vet and am no wuss. Where again did you say you served?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 03/27/2008

This is crazy and should be outlawed by legislation. Instead of teaching kids to beat each other up they should be taught how to get along with others peacefully. Kids have such wild hormones that to put them into an arena where they get rough with each other only increases the risk to society of them growing up and becoming violent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 03/27/2008

The fact that you know how to fight doesn't mean you're just going to go out and start beating people up. Most "fighters" who know how to fight, are MORE likely to not fight because they know they can do some serious damage.
Of course, in self-defense, wouldn't you rather be able to defend yourself than be beaten to a pulp?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 03/28/2008

We humans have reached a new low in this country: we behave like ANIMALS and are teaching this behavior to our children so they can behave like animals..... I can't stand to watch the commercials with that stuff. I thought we (humans) were supposed to be the intelligent species? Even dogs don't fight willingly on their own. We are a sick people. Let's train up the next generation of CRIMINALS and NUT JOBS as early as possible to solve issues physically and not intellectually. We are really sad in the country in more ways than one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 03/27/2008

This is really nothing more than a combination of karate and wrestling. Kids have been participating in those 2 sports for ages and the world has yet to come to an end.

I have studied traditional karate (which is admittedly different from MMA) since grade school. We spar & I've taken shots, but the worst I ever got from it was a bruise. I suffered from greater injuries playing high school football.

I've seen these little MMA kids compete. They wrestle under youth rules, which are totally different from so-called "cage fighting," and the refs hover very closely. The little buggers are also padded up like mini Robocops. The only thing that gets hurt is their feelings when they lose -- and that happens in every sport.

Kids sports -- baseball, soccer, whatever -- only seem to get violent when parents start losing their minds. Come to think of it, the same thing happens in kids' ballet classes and drama clubs. Parents always have a way of turning every activity designed for kids into a wicked ritual of disgrace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 03/27/2008

If they get in trouble or get bad grades, I'll hear about it and they can't come to training," he added.

So beyond their possible insane child abuse theories, does this mean they are training intelligent killers of the future. It also seems that their total lack of intelligence is surpassed only by the idiotic parents who would allow their children to particpate in this nonsense. Do they also have a contract with the army for God camps?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 03/27/2008

you are all a little ignorant about MMA. It is hugely less dangerous than boxing as a sport. in it's near 11 year history, there has been no deaths in MMA as a result of the actual comopetition. Where as in boxing, there are on average 10 deaths ever year due directly to the contest. MMA is designed to teach a wide range of discipline and respect. just because you do not approve of phsyical contests that include punching as respectful does not mean they aren't. I emplore you all to educate yourselves on the subject before you start sounding off at the mouths.

Now, should 6-year olds be participating in this? maybe, maybe not. they are intensely padded, and under adult supervision. I wonder how many kids have broken their arms and legs during karate practice over the passed 40 years??? nobody says anything about that! But you take something you know nothing about, and trash it precicely based on your ignorance of it.

Do your research please!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 03/27/2008

Totally agree mfalino!

There are more injuries (and more serious ones) in football every year than in MMA yet that is okay.
I wonder why?
Maybe because 230+ lb steriod monsters are colliding into each other at full speed...that sounds safe!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 03/28/2008

I can only think of one kid who broke his arm in our karate class over the years. He finished sparring, bowed to his partner, and walked back to sit down. That's when he tripped over the edge of the mat, fell, and broke his arm. The kid was about 10 years old. He said it hurt, but he still thought it was kind of funny.

I have heard about kids who suffer more intense and sometimes permanent injuries from studying ballet. When you consider how many dancers suffer from bulimia, I would say ballet is more psychologically dangerous than martial arts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 03/27/2008

That is just disgusting and every state in America needs to ban this sort of disgusting thing.

To get kids to learn to beat the hell out of each other for sport is wrong on every level you can imagine.

Those parents should be locked up for child abuse and child endangerment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 03/27/2008

Punching, wrestling, ground and pound, kicking, body slamming, choke-outs, I don't recall a single nun stopping a single fight my entire eight years of catholic school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 03/27/2008

You know what? Come to think of it, they never did in my eight years of Catholic grade school either. And we had a kid break ribs in the 4th grade in one pile on too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 03/27/2008

When do they get to introduce lions into the competition. Swords and spears seem destined to be coming too. Oh what a time we live in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 03/27/2008

The only thing missing is Army recruiters to enlist them in the delayed entry program. From the cage right to Iraq - a seamless transition. And they wonder where we'll keep getting the cannon fodder! Sure beats reading a book or anything boring like that eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 03/27/2008

Kids do Karate, kids beat each other up in school fights. Why not do it in a controlled environment? Teaching Mixed Martial Arts is a good way to relieve stress and to stay in shape. Teaching kids to defend themselves isn't the problem. The problem is to tell them, "Now do this to all your friends." Which, I'm fairly certain, isn't going to be the case.

How is fighting a seamless transition to joining the armed services? I fail to understand that logic.

And kudos to Fletch, who brings some actual insight to the discussion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 03/27/2008

oh, the wisdom of backwoods parents who encourage street fighting at an early age. what's the matter? karate and wrestling aren't violent enough for these parents? of course there are rules! until the kid decides he wants to practice on the school playground, or until some local bully decides he wants to challenge the "cage fighting" champion...

i say, if the parents want to go out and get their own asses kicked, fine. but encouraging their kids to become ultimate fighters is just ridiculous. what kind of redneck society are we promoting in this country? oh yeah, the same valued wisdom that led us into Eye-RAQ, for reasons of getting revenge against ANYONE who our prezdent sez needs an ass whoopin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 03/27/2008

The culture of violence in this country is at an all time high. Although, it is absolutely necessary in order to keep the American Empire alive. We can denounce everything in this country from medicinal marijuana to pedophilia but conveniently skip over the amount of violence in everyday life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 03/27/2008

Actually not too different from martial arts tournaments- the kids are wearing gear, so it's really just a glorified mma match.
(mma- mixed martial arts) How is the potential different from a kid doing a body slam/suplex? Contact sports always carry a risk of injury.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 03/27/2008

This brand of "Sport" teaches one to continue hitting once the opponent is down. No honor at all. Once that component of a martial art is gone, Hell is unleashed.

Honor is a dividing line between man and monster. The ancient masters knew this. These parents are making their kids into something they will regret later. Man turned on himself. Devilish brilliance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 03/27/2008

oh jeez!
MMA began as an evolution of Brazil's Vale Tudo (anything goes).
It is a sport that can be used for self defense.
If you happen to be attacked in the street, are you going to tell the person to stop hitting you once you fall to the ground?!
The whole purpose of the martial arts was a way to defend yourself.
If you're a karate guy and get taken down, what are you going to do?! You'll probably be beaten unconscious (or worse!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 03/28/2008