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Dems Shooting Themselves In The Face?

Dems Shooting Themselves In The Face?

March 27, 2008 01:28 PM


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As his 1992 campaign for president imploded, Nebraska Sen. Bob Kerrey -- a Vietnam veteran who had lost a leg in combat -- initiated a brutal assault on Bill Clinton.

"Bill Clinton should not be the nominee of our party because he will not win in November," Kerrey declared. "He is going to be opened up like a soft peanut."

In a speech at Spellman College in Atlanta, Kerrey attacked Clinton's avoidance of the draft during the Vietnam War. "It should not surprise you that it was the men and women who went to Vietnam who suffered, and they particularly suffered when they came home. And all of a sudden all the sympathy in this campaign is flowing to somebody who didn't go."

Georgia State Rep. "Able" Mabel Thomas (D), who helped introduce Kerrey, declared that the country needs "a commander in chief, not a commander in chicken."

The criticism failed to resurrect the Bob Kerrey campaign. Instead, Kerrey's comments served only to diminish his own image and credibility as a candidate.

Now, 16 years later, the equally bitter fight for the Democratic nomination has become something of a circular firing squad. The last two candidates left standing are even turning their weapons on themselves.

Hillary Clinton, in her bid to discredit Barack Obama's primary and caucus victories, has, for example, dismissed many of them as irrelevant because they were in Red states that will be impossible to win in November: "I have been winning the big states we have to win. With all due respect, unless there is a tsunami change in America, we are never going to carry Alaska, North Dakota, Idaho, it's just not going to happen."

While probably true, there are two problems with Clinton's statement.

First, in 1992, Bill Clinton won a number of states that would likely fall into the category of contests the Hillary Clinton campaign is writing off: Montana, Tennessee, Louisiana, Georgia and Kentucky.

Second, and more important, as Chris Bowers, a principle analyst on the OpenLeft web site, notes: "writing off and/or taking for granted any area of the country, no matter how red or how blue, will damage that candidate as President. The way you campaign reflects on the way you govern, and writing off and/or taking for granted any part of the country reduces your political capital from the outset."

Clinton is not alone is damaging her prospects on November 4. The Obama campaign quietly undermined efforts to hold "re-votes" in Michigan and Florida, the two states that violated party rules by holding primaries too early and that will not have their delegations seated, unless the convention credentials committee overturns the party rule.

There is a clear logic for Obama to avoid re-votes in these states: Clinton would be the favorite to win. The Obama campaign would prefer just to seat state delegation split evenly between Clinton and Obama supporters so that neither state influences the outcome.

But again, there are two problems.

First, for the front runner -- and very likely the nominee -- to go to the convention, and almost certainly to the general election, conducting what amounts to a "prevention defense" suggests a fear of taking on contests for the nomination everywhere.

Second, and again more significantly, Michigan and especially Florida are likely to be battleground states. Disregarding Democratic voters there by diminishing, or eliminating altogether, their role in the nomination process can only hurt the chances for a strong turnout by the Democratic base in the general election.

Rob Shapiro, who served in the Commerce Department during the Clinton administration, and who is now a politically active economic consultant, noted, "I do think the failure to resolve Michigan/Florida - jeez what a disaster Howard Dean has been - will hurt either of them, especially in Florida."

Some analysts and consultants contended neither the Florida-Michigan situation nor Hillary's downgrading of "red states" will significantly influence the general election outcome. But they were almost unanimous in the view that Clinton's engaging the debate over Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright would be disastrous, if she were to win the nomination -- further alienating African American voters.

"If Hillary wins the nomination, I suspect she will have frittered away most of the good will and political capital that Bill has accumulated over the years with black voters," said Democratic consultant Dan Gerstein, an Obama supporter. Clinton's comments on Wright would contribute to "the cumulative impact of all the intended and unintended racially-tinged gestures her campaign has made, as well as the perception that will spread that she stole the nomination from the guy who won the pledged delegate fight and the popular vote," he said.

Another Democratic media specialist, James Duffy, argued that Wright represents a major hurdle for Obama, "his statements...will not go away."

But, Duffy added, "for Hillary to raise them is to play with dynamite. The Black community is fully vested in Obama. It is not his campaign now, but it their campaign. The more the Clintons' probe the Wright connection, the more they risk alienating the most loyal base the Democratic Party has had for the last 50 years. The fact that they have picked up the dynamite indicates they know time is running out. They must destroy Obama or lose."

Former Colorado Sen. Gary Hart, who lost the 1984 nomination to Walter F. Mondale in a bitter and hostile struggle, said the "nomination process would have been a lot more productive if it had not become so negative." He puts more blame for this on Clinton than on Obama, whom he supports.

He added, however, that "We have not yet reached the point where the struggle is making the nomination worthless."


 
 

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The statement that Democrats can't take Alaska reflects a very uninformed view of Alaska's political environment. Diane Benson won the Democratic nomination in 2006 and proceeded to give Don Young a run for his money. While being outspent 10 to 1 ($2Million to $192K) she won 40% of the vote. She's running an infinitely better organized, much better funded, strategic race in 2008 and stands to win big in November. With several excellent new staffers, her campaign is well-poised to make leaps in the coming summer months.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 03/29/2008

Looks like the author of this article has an axe to grind --he seeks to portray BOTH Clinton and OBama as culpable.
In doing so he dilutes the responsibility of Clinton --the true perpetrator of the negative campaigning. HuffPost needs to dump this Edsel!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 03/28/2008

"Dems Shooting Themselves In The Face?"

No, "Hillary Shooting Dems In The Face"

(no Lewinsky allusion intended.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 03/28/2008

The only ones shooting themselves in the face(s) are Hillary and Bll, I am a former fan and supporter of them both, I will never defend them again, the "vast right wing conspiracy" was right about them. They are spoiled brats, if they can't have it, nobody can, they'll give it to McCain and count on a repeat run four years from now. I'll write in my vote for Barack if Hillary is somehow given this nomination. I am part of the supposed "older women" demographic who are supporting Hillary, NO WE'RE NOT! We want a woman who made it on her own, not a conniving hanger-on like Hillary with a husband who wants back in the White House at any cost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 03/28/2008

The Obama campaign didn't undermine the re-vote in Mi. The legislature did. They couldn't agree on the process. The Obama people had problems with a mail-in vote for verification/legal reasons and also on the primary process because Clinton wanted to disallow all voters who voted in January and count the votes as they were cast then. There were other legal issues also. The Clinton's say that Obama prevented the re-vote and everyone just accepts this. Why??? Because the Clinton's have never been guilty of stretching the truth to their own advantage??? Reporters really need to do some fact checking before they buy what the Clinton's are selling in their desperate attempt to save their political future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 03/28/2008

Pennsylvania Sen. Bob Casey to endorse Obama today!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 03/28/2008

over 40% of the dems voted uncommitted in michigan... i wonder why.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 03/28/2008

I'm not black but Hillary has "frittered away most [all] of the good will and political capital that Bill has accumulated over the years with" me. I am a 62 year old white woman who sat out the 1984 election for the same reasons I will sit this one out if Hillary steps on enough necks to get get the nomination. It just is not right!
There was no bigger supporter of Bill Clinton in the late 90's than me... although I only supported him in '92 because of Al Gore, I grew to love and respect him. I donated money to his library when others were slow to do so. Now I have no respect for either Clinton and will not vote for Hillary under any circumstances. I voted for the DLC candidate last time (Kerry) because Howard Dean asked me to, but not even Howard can get me to vote for Hillary.
I won't vote for John McCain either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 03/28/2008

revote in MI doesn't necessarily mean victory for Bilary. Edwards and Obama weren't on the ballots the Mi primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 03/28/2008

The Dems love to self immolate. They do it time after time after time. THAT'S why we keep getting crap like George Bush, because a vast majority of people who aren't hard core Democrat, just vote for whichever candidate/party seems less obnoxious at the time. And right now, the Dems are thoroughly obnoxious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 AM on 03/28/2008

"Rob Shapiro, who served in the Commerce Department during the Clinton administration, and who is now a politically active economic consultant, noted, "I do think the failure to resolve Michigan/Florida - jeez what a disaster Howard Dean has been - will hurt either of them, especially in Florida."

This is funny, a Clinton shill criticizing Dean for upholding DNC rules. Dean's 50 state strategy is the right one. And Shapiro won't be able to whine about Dean's leadership after Obama wins the nomination and the general.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 AM on 03/28/2008

Your mean one Dem, HRC, is shooting everyone in the face!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 03/28/2008

Let me set the record straight - this article should have been titled 'Clinton tries to shoot Obama in the face' - thats far more like it. Hillary - please leave - stop trying so hard to get Mccain elected - its too obvious. We wont forget this is 2012...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 03/27/2008

Anybody for a game of dice?Winner takes all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 03/27/2008

I love playing craps

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 03/28/2008

As a test I just rolled em for Obama. It came up snake eyes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 03/28/2008

I beg to disagree. You seem to assume that Florida and Michigan would vote exactly as they did back. then. Just for giggles, why don't we do a poll of say California or Massachusetts voters who voted for Hillary back then. Would they vote for her now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 03/27/2008

The problem isn't that Hillary is still in the race -- the real issue is the dishonesty and cynicism she is using to fuel her campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 03/27/2008

McKinney '08.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 03/27/2008

"The Obama campaign quietly undermined efforts to hold "re-votes" in Michigan and Florida"

And the author knows this how??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 03/27/2008

Because Hillary keeps saying so. Doesn't that make it true?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 03/28/2008

Oh by wanting to abide by the rules!!!!!! You don't believe what you posted yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 03/27/2008

That was funny. What it is that you believe I believe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 03/27/2008

Sorry our beliefs are the same. LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 03/28/2008

We should not forget why democrats have found themselves in this situation in the first place. The reason is the completely inept and stupid primary election system they have come up with. Some people are arguing that super-delegates should just go with the majority of the the pledged delegates. But then why have super-delegates in the first places? Obviously, their purpose cannot just be to go along with pledged delegates. If some democratic leaders are worried that super-delegates tipping the balance the other way can alienate voters, they should have either eliminated super-delegates or they should have started explaining to voters long ago the purpose and role of these super-delegates.

It is also ironic to see people argue that super-delegates should just follow pledged delegates in the name of democracy, but at the same time, these people work to suppress the voice of two large states. That reeks of hypocrisy.

But in the end, the current sorry state of affairs shouldn't be blamed on the candidates. The blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the democratic leadership who have allowed such a primary system to be in place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 03/27/2008

The two large states willfully broke the rules. Obviously the Iowa/New Hampshire monoply needs reform but the Michigan & Florida governors overplayed their hands. As a Floridian, I am dismayed but one can't cherry pick the rules just 'cuz they're "special".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 03/28/2008

Obviously, the democrats need to look hard at their nominating process. They try so hard to be fair, they overlook the flaws in the method. The electoral system seems to work in the GE, and I believe the winner takes all system is what the Republicans use in their primaries. But, like the obvious blunder in FL and MI, they won't step back and look for solutions. This is not a Clinton/Obama problem, and demanding one of them step out before the process is concluded is not the solution. MoveOn.org appears to be the self-appointed guardian angels of something, but it isn't the current rules of the party. Pelosi has misinterpreted the rules of the SDs. If they were governed to exercise the "will of the people", it would only be the people of the state they represent. But, they aren't governed. Nancy Pelosi is wrong, and falling in behind her is even more wrong. If the SDs were designed to vote with the popular vote of the whole country, the whole country needs to go to a vote and the caucus system must end. That would also negate entirely the need for nearly 800 SDs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 03/27/2008

There really needs to be a more clear line drawn in the sand. It's not the democratic party shooting itself in the face. It's Hillary Clinton shooting it and then herself. If she can't win neither will Obama and that line of thought and action on her part is what is damaging. Everyone knows it, but no one wants to come out and say it out right. Well that was until Reuters made that glorious quote: "Someone forgot to tell Hillary Clinton the Democratic presidential race is over and Barack Obama won." Finally someone with the balls to say it's over! You lose. This needs to be placed on her head as the party divider. Push her ass out o this race. The facts are the facts. Obama has more delegates, more states won, and more popular vote. She cannot catch him. She has big blue states won that would vote blue no matter whom the nominee is. And she has not picked up one new super delegate since Feb. 5. All the threatening letters in the world, so called you owe me a favor threat to super delegates, isn't going to change the fact that she has in fact lost this race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 03/27/2008

"Dems Shooting Themselves In The Face"? Not all.....only Obama-bots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 03/27/2008

Hillary: There are no small states only small candidates. GET OUT OF THE RACE NOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 03/27/2008

Hillary will not get out of the race. Why because she wants to be president no matter what. she may not win 2008 but she's gonna make sure she wont have to wait 8 years for another try. thats why shes doing her best to beat on Obama. That way he will lose the General, and she can try again against McCain in 4 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 03/27/2008

And, your demand is because you don't believe in the democratic process, I take it? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you are like all the other Obama supporters who do want the rules followed in FL and MI, though. Notice a pattern forming here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 03/27/2008

Fl. and MI. broke DNC rules, voted early and was penalized by not sitting delgates. All of the democratic candidates at this time were aware of this and accepted this penalty. There was no campaigning in either state. In Mi. Hillary's name was the only dem. name on the ballot. The GOP also penalized these states and sat half of each states delegates. Their primary system is more effective, it seems.

The democratic primary system was not set up for close primary races, obviousley. But we can not change the rules, rules that everyone agreed on, in the middle of the race. Hillary's campaign donors were the ones offering to pay for a revote in Michigan, not the state, not the DNC. Understandably,Obama"s campaign declined.

Fl. was proposing a mail in vote. Each signature on every ballot had to be verified, most everyone agreed that was only going to create more problems.

I live in Fl. and it sucks that my vote doesn't count but I know how it happened. It was not the fault of either candidate. Our republican Gov. and republican legislation outsmarted the democrats again...the vote on early primary shared the ballot as the vote for "voting with a paper trail." So it passed.

The revote solutions were problematic and this heated race could have ended up in the courts. We don't have time for that. Hopefully the DNC will find a solution and seat all delegates. Perhaps the DNC fix a flawed system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 03/27/2008

Clinton is not alone is damaging her prospects on November 4. The Obama campaign quietly undermined efforts to hold "re-votes" in Michigan and Florida, the two states that violated party rules by holding primaries too early and that will not have their delegations seated, unless the convention credentials committee overturns the party rule.
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I am really surprised to see you perpetuating this lie. How did Obama undermine efforts to hold re-votes in Michigan and Florida? He consistently said that he would be fine with any solution that the DNC came up with. Since both Hillary and Obama agreed to the DNC's decision, Obama felt it was up to the DNC to come up with a solution. The difference between Obama and Clinton is that he plays by the rules, she changes the rules when they don't suit her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 03/27/2008

clinton knows she can't win, and if obama is elected pres. which i believe he will be, he will no doubt have 2 terms, 8 yrs. the only possibilty for hillary, who would be nearly 69 by than, would run in 2016,,,,,,,,,,,unless, she can continue to beat up on obama, and hope he loses to mccain, and run in 2012. think about it folks. why else would she say only she and mccain have the commander in chief experience, and why would slick willy say only she and mccain love their country? makes complete sense to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 03/27/2008

It does get twisted doesn't it? Hilary wants to be president at all costs and I say give her the nomination and then throw as much support to Nader and McCain as possible. If she loses in '08 she will be damaged goods in '12 and with four more years of experience, Obama will roll over her in '12 like Patton in Europe. She knows this is her only good shot and she will shoot anybody in the face to get it. What a classless act, but we have already seen eight years of that. Give her the chance to fail and she will. There aren't enough white boomer women to get her elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 03/28/2008

There is way too much at stake to allow that too happen. The price is too high

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 03/28/2008

God must want McCain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 03/27/2008
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