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Obama Uses The "R" Word, Clinton Doesn't

March 27, 2008 05:40 PM


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The focus of the presidential campaign on Thursday, and much of this past week, was on the economy, with each Democratic candidate offering a set of proposals, claiming prior ownership to other's positions, and even going after Sen. John McCain.

And while both Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton hit many of the same notes -- the need for greater housing security, the anger towards special interests, the "I feel your pain" vibes -- there were minor distinctions. One of those was to characterize the current crisis.

Speaking in downtown Manhattan on Thursday, Obama used, as NBC's Domenico Montanaro pointed out, "the 'R' word."

"As most experts know, our economy is in a recession," said the Illinois Democrat.

It was, despite a preponderance of evidence of a tumbling economy, a debatable use of the term, and one that the Clinton campaign declined to copy.

Asked on a conference call later that day whether the New York Democrat also believed the economy was in a recession, aides to Clinton said they would "leave the technical definitions of the recession to the experts."

The New York Senator is "focused on is how the economy is impacting typical families," her economic advisor Brian Deese said. And, he added, "from the experts she has consulted with it is clear that there have been some regions of the country which are in a recessionary environment, and she is concerned as she articulated... that we could be sliding into a painful and deep recession if we don't take actions to address the housing crisis."

On a technical level, the definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative growth. Such a scenario has not presented itself yet. But the vast majority of economists do agree that the U.S. is currently in the midst of a sharp slowdown in economic activity.

On Thursday, Clinton addressed this issue in a speech in Raleigh, North Carolina. Much of it was focused on job creation and ending "the giveaways to corporate special interests."

Later in the day, the Clinton camp accused Obama of lacking specifics in his approach.

"Presidents have to do more than announce principles," said Clinton campaign policy director Neera Tanden, in a memo. "They have to solve problems. At a time of crisis in our financial markets, Sen. Obama announced a series of broad, vague principles, while offering no new concrete solutions to provide Americans with greater confidence in the market or keep them in their homes."


 
 

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A recession is defined as 6 consecutive months of negative growth in the GDP.

So far we've had none.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 03/29/2008

I do not think commenting on blogs and news reports on the Huffington Post is compulsory.
It does not amount to 15 minutes of fame.

Most of the irrational comments I have read so far show that the respondents do not really understand what RECESSION means.

"I believe the market has priced in a full recession and though numbers will come in bad, they will not come in as bad as expected. I see negative growth in Q1, but not as deep as expected and Q2 will be up. Everyone I talk to on Main Street America is doing OK. Boomers still have retirement money to put to work, we are doing a ton of refinances in FL -- not everyone is upside down on their mortgage, I talk to businesses and most of them are doing quite well. I believe the intraday low around 11,600 on the Dow will prove to be the 52 week low. Clearly we haven't seen the end of the foreclosures and more bad news is coming, but this too shall pass."

~ Brian Peart, CEO of Nexus Financial Group, Inc and one of Bankrate.com weekly survey experts, believes the stock market has bottomed and that over the next few months the market will begin to adjust to the reality that a recession is not happening.
(American File)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 03/28/2008

You also believe in the good fairy and Regan , Bush, Bush thanks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 AM on 03/29/2008

I am just guessing you voted for Bush, and will vote for McSame, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 AM on 03/29/2008

No one paid a great deal of attention to the historical treatise that Barack Obama delivered in his economic speech at Cooper Union this week. He apparently did a little historical research about Alexander Hamilton while he was vacationing in the Virgin Islands. For historical background see: http://www.lambda.net/~maximum/hamilton.html.

Alexander Hamilton, whom many Americans believe is a dead president, would have been the first black president had he been elected to that post instead of serving as Secretary of the Treasury. In that capacity he established a centralized economy and free market system that is the hallmark of the American Dream. For historical background see: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~CAP/ham/hampltcs.html#4.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 03/28/2008

She won't use "Recession" because some focus group somewhere said it wouldn't be good. She is a brilliant politician. It is just her tough luck that she is running against an actual statesman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 03/28/2008

Obama is an "actual statesman?" LOL. He has done almost nothing in his political career but spend all his time campaigning for the next step up. He doesn't even vote on any bill in Congress that anyone anywhere might object to.

I'd say he ranks among the most cynical of politicians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 03/29/2008

It's interesting just how excited everyone seemed to be over what Senator Obama had to say about the economy. In all of the weak kneed, praise gushing analysis of it I failed to see any intellectual honesty exhibited. Much of what Mr. Obama had to say was simply a restatement of what the Treasury secretary, Mr. Paulson, said the day before; save for the carefully worded, but still terribly divise, class warfare aspects and patently obvious spectre of simple wealth redistribution.

The cliched "chicken in every pot" offering will not fly in the new millenium. Regardless of how much people are suffering now, the suffering will be greater if our taxes are raised during this recessionary period. Make no mistake, although couched in the language of letting the Bush tax cuts expire ( a very popular argument), presumably raising taxes on only wealthy folks, you can be sure that all of ours will be increased (when Mr. Obama derails the wealthy he means any families whose joint income exceeds 75,000 dollars)!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 03/28/2008

I can't believe that people are still debating wether we are in a recession or not. From up here in VT, I can say, "IT"S A RECESSION". Hell, it's been a recession for the lower middle class for the last three years. I can't believe that Clinton feels the need to be clinical with the voters. With the economists, that I can understand. but with the geeral public, we feel a major league recession. When you are working 40 hours a week and your partner is working 40 hours a week, and you still have to raid the meager savings to keep afloat, it's a recession. I can, of course, believe that Bush won't use the word recession" because he's just covering his ass as he does with everything he has screwed up the last 7 1/2 years, which of course, is everything he has touched. McCain primises more fo the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 03/28/2008

I think it's about time the politicians came clean on this. The way the current administration keeps tweaking the economic statistics, we'll never reach the technical definition of a recession. Ask just about anyone in the middle class if you want to know what the current economic reality is. Most people I know haven't had a real raise in years while the cost of everything continues to rise.

Sharp increases in health care, energy, housing and food are killing the middle class. For the first time in many generations, children will be worse off than their parents. The cost of education has risen so fast that it's damn near impossible to send a kid to college on a middle class income. BTW Washington, thanks for raising the interest rates on school loans...

If we don't make some big changes soon, we're screwed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 03/28/2008

Okay Sam in light of what we have been through the last couple of weeks please spell out your title next time. "R" word could be something other than Recession. It could have been Racist. Some people in here just react to titles without reading the blog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 03/28/2008

Bush Will Not Use It

Clinton Will Not Use It

"Meet The New Boss, Same As The Old Boss"

"We Won't Be Fooled Again"

-Sarge

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 03/28/2008

That's because perception and confidence about the market is more than half the battle. Fool. The only reason you think we're in a recession is because some ass on the news told you so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 03/28/2008

If BHO is your guy, you've not only been fooled, you've been bamboozled!

-MS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 03/28/2008

You are SO in denial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 03/28/2008

You are SO boring...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 03/28/2008

Thank you kimbari. MSaldana is certainly out of touch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 03/28/2008

WOW...an actually fair and balanced article showing the substantative differences between Obama and Clinton.

Yes, folks, HRC does know how to speak to middle-class voters and she has been doing it quite well since Ohio.

Obama is not good at that. Obama, once again (with his hand gestures and tone) sounds like a professor and not a candidate concerned about folks' "kitchen tables".

And no, by technical definition, we are NOT in a recession, but are in a housing crises that could cause a deep recession quickly. Clinton's intellectual grasp of these issues is unmatched, and her ability to translate that into "real world" scenarios that people out there relate to is quite a talent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 03/28/2008

well, at least you're admitting that Obama was a professor......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 03/29/2008

"Real world scenarios" Like Bosnia? Yes, it takes talent to lye in front of a camera with a straight face. Some talent! I don't relate with liars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 AM on 03/29/2008

So what do you think of Obama writing that his father and mother met during Selma. That took place 3 years after Obama was born.

Clinton embellished a true story; Obama made his up out of thin air.

I guess you don't relate to him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 03/29/2008

Yes, this just go to show you ONCE AGAIN, that Obama can be honest with the American people and not sugar coat things and LIE to us. I realize that telling the truth is quite difficult for Hillary, but doesn't she have experts around her to CLUE her in? Oh wait, their CLUELESS as well......................................................................................................................Bosnia, sniper fire, anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 03/28/2008

Actually, by technical definition, there's no way of knowing if you're in a recession until after you're well into a recession. By technical definition, a recession is two consecutive quarters with a decline in GDP. The GDP is not easy to calculate - it takes a lot of time. The 2007 Q4 GDP is just now getting released - four months after it has ended.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 03/28/2008

You mean she not ready on day one? She doesn't even face the fact were in a recession? When is it not proper to tell the trueth in this country? My go- people were close to 4.00 a gal. for gas. How can she fisx the economy, if she doesn't even understand where in a recession for pete sake. It's about time some one had enough guts to face the facts-----say it like it is-------than solve the problem! You have to admit you have a problem, to solve the problem! People that 101 in study course-----first thing a alcoholic admits to solve the problem! No proplem can be solved with out faceing it! God, you mean Mrs. Clinton needs some one to tell her were in a recession, and what to do about it! Why in the devil are we even thinking about electing this woman President? Maybe, we should just put a Expert in the Presidents chair------------there now done and over with!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 03/28/2008

Some of you are so easily swayed. Who cares if she did not use the "R" word. We don't need to be told we are in a recession when we already know that. Clintons have actually pointed that out a while ago.

The headline title is just to get you to read and post about their blog. My goodness. We have children calling people children here. Pretty wierd to see some of the comments. Many of them without good facts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 03/28/2008

Obama is a copier. He heard someone else say it.

Still waiting for an original thought....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 03/28/2008

really? Who wrote Obama's Race Speech Hillary? Get a f*&^%% life .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 03/28/2008

agreed. the actually blog itself tells an entirely different story than the headline. in it, clinton makes a fair assessment of obama's plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 03/28/2008

Reading these comments is proof of one thing: Clinton fanatics are not very interested in truth. They ignore any fact that pops up that doesn't favor their stories.
Children, grow up. Your Hillary is a liar. Whose problems will she work on? Who will she serve? And what kind of government will she give us? Look who is supporting her: Schaife and Murdock, for example. What do you think they want? They wouldn't support the Clinton campaign if they hadn't been satisfied by what they heard from Bill & Hill at those get toghethers! (And it must be something remarkable considering their past relationship!) To answer the question of what they want, and obviously expected to get from Clinton, look at who they (Schaife and Murdock) supported before and what that got us: the B-C administration and ...... did you like it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 03/28/2008

if you're so interested in facts, flowergirl, what do you think the differences are between the proposals put forward by clinton and obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 03/28/2008

It isn't a matter of talking. If two people say the same thing, but one is a liar and the other not, there is a difference. But also, in politics we know that those paying the politicians bill get his attention. With Murdock and Schaife getting her attention, Hillary will not be the same as Obama avoiding such evil influences.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 03/28/2008

I've seen quite a few campaigns in my life. Rarely does one see actual follow-through with what is promised. It's a matter of trust actually. Who has the trust of the electorate, who has the trust of the world. It'll take a while for America to recover from the injuries inflicted by the republicans. I hope the democrats don't feel that they can join in the looting of the treasury, because "the other guys were doing it too".

There is a chance still that the USA will not follow the USSR into the political ashcan of history. But it may need to in order to restore order. Starbucks spends more money on health care for it's employees than it does on coffee. Health insurance is expensive, and when people have it, they tend to use it and abuse it, along with their bodies. If you think it's unfair to pay for illegitimate "village" children, or the expense of payoff to rioters-in-waiting, or the suited piggies "supplying security" to faraway nations like Iraq and Israel, just wait till you pay for that helmet-less kid who just darted in front of your car, or the house-bound tubbie eating 6000 calories a day, or the "undocumented immigrant" having her 19th child. Now who has the idea of mandating this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 03/28/2008

Ouch! Anything but the tRuth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 03/28/2008

We now see it's Senator Hillary Clinton whose living in fantasyland.Senator Obama has told us he will be honest with the American people.He said he'll tell us things we don't want to hear but we need to hear and know.Neither Senator Clinton or McCain has made that promise.It seems like Senator Obama is keeping his word.We are in a recession, someone should tell that to Senator Hillary Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 03/28/2008

CNN pointed out last night that in her economy speech, Clinton said the word "jobs" 49 times whereas Obama said it only four. Clinton has been all over this crisis from day one, when many months back she articulated a need to resolve this on the Senate floor. As usual, Obama copies everything she says but does it in a less concrete, uber-vague way. Yawn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 03/28/2008

So she still doesn't know were in a recession, and stilll thinks it's just a lack of jobs, "Because her NAFTA program gave them all away when her a Bill wer in the white house in the 90%) Is that what your telling me! Saying Jobs over and over is actually faceing an saying were in a recession sef2121? Oh, first you blame him for say the Recession word and Hillary won't-------than you blame him for copying what she say"s? Good grief where is logic with the people supporting this women. You help our cause that the people supporting Hillary has a real problem with reality. You'd rather lie for her, than admit she lie's to you! She denied were in recession, Ask the experts she says, get an analysis she says------------------YES SIR; THIS LADY IS READY TO BE COMMANDER AN CHIEF ON DAY ON! SHE WON'T EVEN SAY THE "R" WORD---IT'S JUST TO DARN SCARY FOR HER TO ADMIT THAT OR FACE IT PROPERLY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 03/28/2008

So you're saying he just copied Clinton when he co-authored the bipartisan transparency in ear marks bill that he got passed which will dramatically reduce pork barrel spending?

And are you also saying he copied her when he co-authored with (R) Tom Coburn the lobby reform bill the put a crack in the dam of the big corporations running our govenment for their own good instead of the American peoples good? You should read the Time magazine article on that before you answer.

He's the one taking serious concrete action to return the government to the people. Show me what she has done to restore government to the people that succeeded, to compare. Show me any that even failed. Because so far I haven't seen her do anything to improve the health and well being of our government. Show me.

But if he's just Hillary's copycat, what I wonder is why he hasn't copied her fantastic imagination telling everyone that he too had to duck for cover from sniper fire in a foreign country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 03/28/2008

The greatest asset of Senator Barack Hussein Obama is that he is a calm rational person who approaches problems with his heart, but much more importantly, with his mind. Whether he matches some ideological litmus test, is superfluous nit picking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/28/2008

Both her health care policy and her economic policy are more progressive than his.

His are still more liberal than McCain's, but they do not go far enpough for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 03/28/2008

Alas, Lilliedotcom....Your post started off talking about substantive issues and ended in infantile sandbox rhetoric. I'm going to take a look at that Time article you are talking about, though

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 03/28/2008

It's disingenuous to refer to LollieDotCom's comment as 'infantile sandbox rhetoric'. Clinton's rhetoric got out of control, and she needs to be called on it.

I agree that Lollie's phrasing was more antagonistic than required. However, after Clinton's constant stream of accusations that Obama is an empty suit with nothing but rhetoric, it's fair to hold Clinton & her supporter's feet to the fire whe