Pat Leahy and Ed Rendell Need to Pipe Down

Posted March 29, 2008 | 11:48 AM (EST)



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I've argued for some time that Hillary Clinton is almost certain to lose the Democratic presidential nomination -- but I am not in the "Hillary should drop out" camp.

Sen. Pat Leahy, the veteran Democratic Vermonter, yesterday became the latest to call for Mrs. Clinton's withdrawal from the race. But the one person who can shut down Hillary Clinton's campaign before the nominating convention is Hillary Clinton, and she has every right to stay in the race until convention delegates (super-, pleged-, etc.) cast their ballots. I don't think she will, but she can.

Put yourself in her shoes. I understand that outside of the Hillary Kool-Aid Caucus it's fashionable to view President and Mrs. Clinton as power-hungry monsters who would rather see Dick Cheney coronated as emperor before someone not named Clinton is elected president. But imagine for a moment this scenario: Suppose she really believes that Barack Obama is George McGovern part two (or part too), that he will be painted as too-liberal, too-inexperienced, too soft, and too black (who knows how many more Jeremiah Wright tapes are waiting for their moments in the sun?) by the GOP attack machine and that his nomination would likely lead not only to President McCain, but President McCain with a landslide mandate to move our troops out of Iraq and right into Iran?

I'm not saying that's a correct analysis of Obama's general election prospects -- I don't think it is -- but the issue here is whether it's a reasonable one. Can someone reasonably look at Barack Obama and see electoral disaster? Yes. And can someone reasonably look at the last eight years and conclude that this election will be vitally important to the course of the country? Yes.

So if you were the last, best chance to stem the tide of domestic and foreign fiascos that have marked the Bush presidency, what would you do? Drop out because Pat Leahy asked? (Or, perhaps later, Howard Dean? Or Al Gore?) Or fight like hell until hope is extinguished?

(I'm not claiming to have divined Hillary Clinton's motives, or those of her aides -- I doubt there's a single reason for her remaining in the race any more than there was a single reason that we invaded Iraq.)

But here's a practical reason why Leahy and the others should quiet down: Party unity. There is a core of Hillary Clinton supporters who are deeply invested in her candidacy who won't be any more pleased by her being shoved out by party elders than would Obama-philes if he were trumped by superdelegates.

All of that said, however, Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell, a Clintonite, cannot have had a straight face yesterday when he said this, quoted in the New York Times:

"Just flip it for a second," Mr. Rendell said. "Let's say Senator Clinton was ahead by about 110 delegates and ahead by less than 1 percent of the vote cast, and she and her supporters started to call on Senator Obama to get out. Just picture what the media would be saying. They'd be saying you're being racist, you're being everything in the world. It's nuts! It's nuts!"

Seriously? Is there any doubt that if Obama had lost 11 primaries in a row and had a virtually insurmountable pledged delegate deficit that Rendell and other Clintonites would be calling for his withdrawal? Come on, gov.


 
 

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I look forward to the day a woman runs for and accepts the US presidency. I will vote for her because she will be the feminist ideal. Not this woman. Not this time.

Barack is black (half white and half black, but can't be biracial) because of the outside forces see him this way. It is his choice whether or not he allows the repressive barrage of female or racial angst to overshadow his ability to take the US presidency. Sometimes it is better to let their resentment speak for itself.

Let them talk while you build the consensus you need in order to be elected breaking the glass ceiling over the Oval Office. Door to door. House to house. One American at a time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 04/02/2008

I am tired of the Clintons using gender both ways. Bill, no one says something when a boy is beating up on a girl. [You have 2 former DNC Chairman assisting your campaign.] Hillary, the big boys have lined up and chosen to tell me to get out. [You have had established donor networks to tap in order to raise your inevitable campaign wins. What more institutional assistance did you need? This was more than an even playing field.]

In the debate she referenced the Monica Lewinsky affair to demonstrate her toughness. Obama wasn't even in national politics at the time. Was it her husband's infidelity and lying that set that firestorm off? I am a woman and I am tired of her throwing her female credentials as both victim and vanquished in my face.

Let's face it. In Geraldine Ferraro's parlance, if Hillary was not married to Bill could she have won the Senate seat of NY? If Hillary was not married to Bill, would she have been the inevitable Democratic nominee? She was lucky. She was also cursed with being married to Bill too. He was ambitious risk taking alpha male. She had several of Morris/Carville bimbo eruptions to manage and overcome. She has had to fight and had to stare down Bill's enemies and liaisons without publicly breaking down.

It has sucked to be her on countless occasions.

This is not a qualification for office. It is a reason to admire her grit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 04/02/2008

I don't know about Leahy but Rendell has got to go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEb0njdbsOg

This is the worst sellout I have ever seen, Ducey is scum.

PA citizens are so embarrassed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 04/01/2008

Frankly telling the team that is down by a few points just before the forth quart begins to quit is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. This is all the DNC"s own doing. Clinton could not get momentum without FL and MI and Obama cannot clinch the victory in advance of the convention.

At this point the voting should be completed including making FL and MI relevant and then address the best way to win in November. Given Dean and the DNCs mess so far, it is the arguments between who should step down, or that the primary is over that brings down the party, not the voters who want it to continue by over 60%.

Make every vote count and make every vote relevant as designed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 04/01/2008

OK, Obmama bots please name the "11 PRIMARIES IN A ROW" THAT HE WON???

IT IS ONLY NINE!!! They are counting the nights they split (2/5 and 3/4) to come up with that number. TYPICAL MEDIA SPIN!!!

And two of those are "democrats abroad" (15,000 voters) and "virgin islands" (1772 voters).

Number of states one IS MEANINGLESS.

8600 PEOPLE VOTED IN WYOMING. 2.2 MILLION IN OHIO.

GET IT???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 03/31/2008

So as a Hillarite you are saying that some voters are more important than others. Haven't you people learned yet that this is the attitude that relegated you to loserville in the first place ... or should I say SECOND PLACE!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 03/31/2008

Actually, he won 12 in a row:

UT, LA, NE, Virgin Islands, WA, ME, Dems Abroad, DC, MD, VA, HI, WI

Also, while HRC claimed the huge victory in NH, they tied for delegates.
Also, while HRC claimed a victory in TX, he won several more delegates.
Also, despite HRC's huge "comenback" on March 4th, she's further behind now than she was before.

What IS meaningful is the number of delegates, which Hillary CANNOT win. Try out Slate's delegate counter. It proves it's not close.

http://www.slate.com/id/2187679/

There are numerous precedents for wrapping up the nomination before all the states have voted. There's no precedent for the superdelegates to overturn the votes of the voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 03/31/2008

Oops. Here's the exact link.

http://www.slate.com/id/2185278/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 03/31/2008

It's laziness on the part of so many of these writers, and irritating as heck. Did you know that 50% of his great popular vote comes from 1 single state: Illinois? *hooting*

Man, the bias is beyond belief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 03/31/2008

It's laziness on the part of so many of these writers, and irritating as heck. Did you know that 50% of his great popular vote comes from 1 single state: Illinois? *hooting*

Man, the bias is beyond belief.

...and so is the stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 03/31/2008

Journalists are lazy? Agreed, many are. But how about yourself? Google is pretty easy to operate. Just type in a search term and it brings back answers. Barack received 1.3 million votes in Illinois and has a total of 13.3 million votes to date. That would be 10 percent of his total votes. Have you guessed by now that 2008 is the year that won't let people get away with spreading crap?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 03/31/2008

Fifty-percent of his popular vote isn't from Illinois. Where do guys get this stuff?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 03/31/2008

There is no doubt in my mind that if Obama were in Clinton"s spot he would have also heard requests for him to step down. Clinton has run a disappointing and nasty race. Many more people would have been willing to let this ride out naturally if she didn"t decide to become a McCain attack dog. She brought this on herself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 03/31/2008

"...he will be painted as too-liberal, too-inexperienced, too soft, and too black (who knows how many more Jeremiah Wright tapes are waiting for their moments in the sun?) by the GOP attack machine..."

All the GOP attack machine has to do to is to quote Hillary's attack machine, and then follow it up with "and this is from someone in his own party!"

Don't you see? Her campaign strategy, not the simple fact of her quest for the nomination, is the problem with Hillary continuing - by doing McCain's dirty work with such glee, she's effectively endorsing McCain in a national contest between him and Obama. When the GOP starts painting in earnest, Hillary will supply the brush, the paint, and the numbers saying what color to put where.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 03/31/2008

It's hilarious to me how many white people seem to say that they can't say "X" without being called a racist. Really? I am honestly trying to recall a time when someone said something that DIDN'T involve race or prejudice that was called that. Ferraro made racist comments....is SHE a racist I don't think so but those comments were. Why be cause the focal point of the comment was race trumping ALL other factors/concerns. ......thats racist ladies and gents.

The only time in recent history I thought the racist tag was blown out of proportion was Don Imus.......... but let's be honest its not so bad that you can't just TALK to black people or about them and not be called a racist. I mean he has been called alot worse by members of her campaign and her supporters......only that went through that really was Ferraro.
.......sure....don't use lynch or slave or the n word in your conversation but thats just courtesy and kindness isn't it? If a sports analyst said he got dropped like he was in Auschwitz or called someone a Jewish insult ....Or mexican reference wouldn't that be equally deplorable.
Not saying stuff doesn't taken too seriously sometimes but Jesus he is a Governor..........I expect comments like that from FoxNews something. Specially considering how much he has attacked Obama already .............he hasn't been tagged a racist yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 03/31/2008

Sadly, Ed Rendell is writing his political obituary in Pennsylvania. He started a race war in his election against Lynn Swan (granted, not a very strong candidate) but Ed didn't move ahead until he started race as an issue. That's why the Clinton's covet him so much. He has divisionary experience... And he's also weak and manipulatible. Something the Clinton's pray on. D.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 03/31/2008

If you think that HRC should stay in, spend some time with Slate's delegate counter. It proves pretty effectively that she can't win.

http://www.slate.com/id/2187679/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 03/31/2008

You keep posting this POS thing that means NOTHING.

YOU DONT KNOW HOW PEOPLE WILL VOTE IN PA, KY, WV, PR, NC, ETC.

She could take back the popular vote lead WITH JUST PA.

Does your little "anti hillary" website say that?

3 million votes in PA and she wins by 25 points? Thats 750,000 NET VOTES for her.

Get it??????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 03/31/2008

But she won't win by 25 points. So the goal posts will be moved yet again. Because after all if she wins 99% of the vote in NC and IN then she'll be sitting pretty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 03/31/2008

The popular vote doesn't matter, get it?

She can't win the DELEGATES!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 03/31/2008

If Hillary wants to stay in the race so be it! But, she has a 5% chance of winning! FIVE PERCENT! If she had a decent chance to win, had not lied, misrepresented and run such a poor campaign (not only for herself but against the Democratic party) I would feel more positive about it. I think by staying in, she is hurting herself more than anybody else but if that makes her feel better then go right ahead! But I do know if the situation were that the Clintons were ahead by that margin then they would not hesitate to put pressure on Obama to drop out. She thought she had this race won before she even got in it and now that they are losing they have sour grapes. I was a huge Clinton supporter until I saw the writing on the wall after SC. Her campaign was a huge fiasco, now she has huge money issues and creditors chasing her and we want somebody who can't even manage their campaign and money responsibly more or less tell the truth to be Commander in Chief? I don't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 03/31/2008

But, she has a 5% chance of winning! FIVE PERCENT
=========

It is AMAZING how the MSM had foold people into belienving certain "facts" like this?

Tell me how this is accurate???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 03/31/2008

Rendell said previously that some people in his state were not ready to vote for a Black President?

That comment was racist, no matter how he tried to spin it just like his spin here is racist. For the Reverse Racism chorus out there, I am not calling the PA GOV a racist, but I am calling out some of his comments as racist because they are.

Rendell is Jewish and I'm sure there were people in PA who were not ready to vote for Lieberman in '04.

If someone had made that comment about Jewish candidates, what type of outcry would we have heard from Rendell and every Jewish organization in America.
So I am sorry..now Rendell is AT IT AGAIN, because no one called out this behavior as racist when he first pulled it.

What if Sen. Casey states publicly: "Some people in PA may not have known Rendell was Jewish and probably wouldn't have voted for him for GOV if they knew that about him, as sad as it makes me to confess about our electorate."
Though the observation may be true, would not the public utterance, analagous to screaming "Fire" in this American theater of race, just be the most racist, anti-semitic statement to make UNSOLICITED? You make the call, and I really hope someone does that so Rendell can stare down his Judaism and have to confront in the ballot booth the political ramifications he wants to so flippantly put on Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 AM on 03/31/2008

If she stays in fine but at least conduct a respectable campaign. Its become more and more troubling watching Senator Clinton and President Clinton laud John McCain. In case their not paying attention thats who we democrats will be running against in November.

They use the kitchen sink -Tonya Harding option against Obama the democratic parties frontrunner while throwing roses to McCain. The Clintons cuddling up to right wing media should give supporters of Senator Clintons pause. Bill going on Rush Limbaugh, giving an interview to Newsmax, her surrogates going on radio shows like Laura Ingrahams, Hillarys sitdown with Richard Mellon Scaifes newspaper and Hillarys new BFF television network of choice is Fox News. Its more than obvious the republican machine wants to run against Hillary, and Hillary knows it and shes using them to benefit herself and the cost of the democratic party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 03/31/2008

But Ed Rendell has a point. The problem is that if the situation were flipped, no one would be calling for Obama to drop out because they would be afraid of being labelled racist. Anytime anyone says anything against Obama, his camp pulls out the race card. That's why the media has been so soft on him. Shirley Chisholm said that her experience was that she was discriminated against much more as a woman than as an African American. I think this has been proven resoundingly in this race. Sexism is more openly accepted and therefore rampant in our society than racism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 03/31/2008

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3597/the_clinton_firewall/

There you go Pupbayer; proof that your apologists posts for Hillary Clinton's racist campaign strategy are completely specious.

I dare you to read it. Like I have said before, people with a working conscience and calculator already get it. It is about time you caught up as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 03/31/2008

Obama would have been drummed out of the contests the way Biden, Dodd, even Edwards were if he had lost 11 straight -- actually, it was technically 12. But it doesn't matter. You lose, you lose. It's a message that Clinton can't seem to digest... and I personally think Hillary's a puppet to Bill's puppet master and she'll pull out when Bill's convinced he can't get back in the White House. D.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 03/31/2008

Exactly Pubayer. The Clintons wouldn't be able to tell Obama to get out, in fear of the backlash that the media would spin it into racism, not too mention you know the Obama camp would. That's been there tactic since NH. Obama would be using the same tactic the Clintons are using which is electability. And for Obama supporters to be screaming for HRC to get out, is beyong rediculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 03/31/2008

You people are drunk from ignorance. If BLACK Obama had lost 11 straight contests the democratic party would hve thrown him off the bus long ago. Maybe this is what preacher wright is talking about. Maybe this is why Blacks are angry. Maybe America should take a long look at herself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 03/31/2008

Oh, nonsense. The only one playing the race card is Clinton. If Obama had his druthers, the subject would never have come up. Don't be ridiculous.

And Hillary cries "victim" a thousand times more than Obama... so if it bothers you, you're rooting for the wrong team.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 03/31/2008

As on Obama supporter I don't think Hillary needs to drop out. Perhaps if we let all the states have their say, NEXT time the Michigans and the Floridas will realize it's just as important to be last as to be first.

As to Rendell's statement, Bill and Hillary were talking about Obama (probably disengenuously) as a running mate while he held a lead, so he can't fault Obama-ites for doing the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 03/30/2008

If Obama had lost 11 straight and was 110 behind in delegates, I'd call for him to drop out and I'm a supporter. We can't forget that he won 11 straight fair and square. Hillary ignored those states for reasons known only to her. She under estimated Sen Obama. She felt those states weren't important. She has no one to blame but herself. It seems that she didn't learn from Rudy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 03/30/2008

ann1, you are such a liar. by that sense then Obama should have dropped after Super Tues, why continue to break the party apart when you are behind if you are only concerned about the party???? The bottom line is that most of Obamas states are un important. Especially the undemocratic caucusses, especially when they are in bright red states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 03/31/2008

Bright red states?
Of the 14 states Hillary has won:
States that Voted Rep in 2004: 9
States that Voted Dem in 2004: 5

If we leave your absurd argument that Caucuses are undemocratic even tho the caucuses are probably the closest thing in the American govt to a TRUE "direct" democracy (which would entail a direct vote by the people on all issues, as opposed to our "representative" form of democracy wherein people vote for a representative *delegate*) you're still left with the fact that Hillary's wins have come almost 2:1 in states that went Republican in 2004.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 03/31/2008

Yes, but what you miss is that it's not a popularity contest, it's a delegate contest. And Barry won't have enough by Denver either, so let it play out, or don't you trust your party and it's leaders?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 03/31/2008

let us be generous and assume that the Clintons truly feel that Obama will lose. I think it is reasonable to assume that Obama is a greater risk, capable of winning or losing in a landslide, due to his novelty and ability to energize people about a "new kind" of politics, especially the next generation. But OTOH, is there anyone out there who believes that a Clinton general election can do anything but resmble the last 2 elections, a virtual 50/50 split in this country, with the deadlock leaving the staus quo intact, with legislators looking to appease donors and not voters?

Can we survive more years of the status quo? For us to regain our country from the corporate interests, don't we need a president with a significant mandate for change, one which returns the process to the people and away from the corporate "donors?" Is there any question that there is only one possible candidate capable of achieving such a mandate, even if he might be a risk?

Is there that much of a difference between a Clinton and a McCain presidencey if the senate is still split 50/50? Sure, Supreme Court justices will be pro-choice with HRC, but either way, they will be pro-business and pro-executive branch, as they have been. It is time to show our elected officials that it isn't big donors that will supply leverage, but the ability of grassroots internet donors and voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 03/29/2008

If it really were all about the voters, and the issues, then why almost endorse MCCAIN?! The very campaign they are running (from non-transparancy of tax records, courting Limbaugh voters, praising McCain and hurling the kitchen sink at Obama, claiming he has not passed to CIC test - all this refutes your entire point. They are NOT positioning the country for a best position in November by hailing McCain, nor by knee-ing BHO. I see it more that Bill is totally in shock, that Sen. Obama might overshadow him in every possible way - see how the REagan comments hit home. HRC wants to position herself for an "see, I told you so" in 2012. And both, together with their loayl club, remain at the top of the pecking order of the dem. party. They are willing to go to any lengths to avaid a real shake-up of the hierarchy of the party, where Clinton, McAuliffe etc will effectively be done for - the new guy doesn't owe any of these DLC guys a thing - and htat proves far more scary to them than 4 years of McSame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 03/30/2008

We sure are getting a lot of people screaming very loudly for Hillary to drop out before you and 9 other states get to vote. Do you think this is because they see her coming out with the popular vote lead and a gain in delegates that when put with Florida and Michigan would give her the delegate lead also? That at the end when looking at the winnable states for Novembers general election she will have won more of those states which would giver her the bigger possible electoral votes. So if they do not stop her before Denver that by the time Democrats get to Denver she will have the popular vote and the delegate count lead and the most wins in the right states and that would force the supers to vote for her and not Obama. Where is this article at? The math is easy to do. Oh also in Denver with the popular vote and a close enough delegate count to where if FL & MI are counted it would put her over the top it will be very hard not to seat them if a motion is brought to the floor on National TV to have them seated. The louder they scream the more afraid and desperate they are!

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