Fierce Iraq Fighting Forces War Back Onto Campaign Trail

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The New York Times   |  MICHAEL COOPER and LARRY ROHTER   |   March 29, 2008 08:03 PM


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The heavy fighting that broke out last week as Iraqi security forces tried to oust Shiite militias from Basra is reverberating on the presidential campaign trail and posing new challenges and opportunities to the candidates, particularly Senator John McCain.

The fierce fighting -- and the threat that it could undo a long-term truce that has greatly helped to reduce the level of violence in Iraq -- thrust the war back into the headlines and the public consciousness just as it had been receding behind a tide of economic concerns.

And it raised anew a host of politically charged questions about whether the current strategy is succeeding, how capable the Iraqis are of defending themselves and what the potential impact would be of any American troop withdrawals.

Mr. McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, has made the Iraq war a centerpiece of his campaign; he rode to success in the primary season partly on his early advocacy of the troop buildup. The battle in Basra broke out as he returned from a trip to Iraq this month, proclaiming that violence there was down and that the troop escalation was working.

Mr. McCain, of Arizona, said he was encouraged that Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki's government had sent its troops to reclaim Basra from the Shiite militias.

"I think it's a sign of the strength of his government," Mr. McCain said Friday at a stop in Las Vegas. "I think it's going to be a tough fight. We know that these militias are well entrenched there. I hope they will succeed and succeed quickly."

The Democrats, who are calling for phased troop withdrawals, are beginning to point to the fighting in Basra as evidence that the American troop buildup has failed to provide stability and political reconciliation -- particularly if the fighting leads one militia, the Mahdi Army, to pull out of its cease-fire; that could lead to a new spate of sectarian violence across the country. Some are saying the fighting strengthens their case for troop withdrawals.

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If you want to check out Hillary's double dealing on her shifting positions regarding the invasion/occupation of Iraq, check out the following article by Stephen Zunes entitled "Hillary's Iraq lies" at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canpalnet_news/message/14279

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 03/30/2008

McCain chance of getting elected were slim and none,Because of the way the economy is going south. But now with Iraq going down the tubles it is just none.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 03/30/2008

Meaning, the war has been a central issue all along, but the media are having trouble pretending otherwise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 03/30/2008

We can not leave Iraq because of negative consequences, so we will stay there a 100 years to forestall negative consequences. The negative consequences will be the descent of America into the "Dark Ages" as a third world nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 03/30/2008

How'd that Hundred Years War work for Europe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 AM on 03/31/2008

It is long past time for us to wake up and come together with a determination and common purpose to rescue this nation we love from the abyss. Our soldiers need us to be their advocates here at home, even as they are looking out for one another on the battle field. In this season of hotly contested presidential politics, we truly do have the opportunity to set the agenda and insure that our voices are heard. We simply have to participate in numbers too great to be ignored. The stakes are too high not to take part. Lives are on the line. And even though we haven't been asked as a citizenry to share the burden or the sacrifices, at a time of war, we cannot afford not to step up voluntarily. Our military, treasury and faith in honest leadership have been broken, and we'll all ultimately pay the price. The war in Iraq has not made us safer, had nothing to do with 9-11, (remember Afghanistan) has cost the lives of untold thousands of innocent Iraqi lives (so much for winning hearts and minds!), created a monumental refugee crisis, and there doesn't seem to be light at the end of the tunnel. Bush's war is a travesty, and a stain upon our nation. The blood spilled will be on all our hands if we do not speak out. Whose child is going be the last to die for this lie, and what will that number be?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 03/30/2008

My thinking exactly. Give, work and vote as if our democratic republic depends on it, because it does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 AM on 03/31/2008

"We'll stand down when they stand up," "We're winning the war on terrorism," "The surge is a success," "Our troops will return on success", -- all political slogans and propaganda meant for public digestion to make sure Bush can last out his term of failed foreign policies and collapsing house of cards economy.

Not to worry though. CIA director, Michael Hayden, said on Meet The Press Sunday that there is now evidence that al Qaeda are training people who look like ordinary American citizens, meaning non-Middle East or "swarthy skinned" Arabic people as Ann Coulter described Iraqis. He further added that the CIA has proof that Iran has nuclear-ready weapons and fissile material to make them. This is great news for John McCain who can't wait to bomb Iran and expand the Bush War Forever foreign policy.

Somehow, Bush, his military commanders and the CIA director Michael Hayden conveniently forgot that when they took sides in supporting the anti-Semitic Shiite regime of Nouri al-Maliki, that the radical, Shiite militant clerics like Muqtada al Sadr with his Mahdi army and Aziz Hakim's Badr Brigade, would come back to bite them in the long run.

The message of Fear, of course has always been the Republican Party mainstay and a powerful weapon that has been used successfully against the American people ever since September 11, 2001. "Win one more for the Gipper" seems an appropriate slogan once more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 03/30/2008

Bush has delivered permanent war, a shredded Constitution, a back-breaking $9 trillion national debt, torture, a flood of illegal black market labor, outsourcing of middle class jobs, health care that is now unaffordable and an economic crash caused by unrestrained Wall Street thieves, all slathered with his sticky Jesus syrup.
We"re told that if we hope have a chance to correct any of these things, we must pander to people who believe scientific facts are liberal lies, who treat blacks and gays with contempt and who plan to fly into the sky like Peter Pan and Tinkerbell when they "Rapture."
Sorry, but if we have to out-lie and out-stupid the Republicans, then I doubt that we"ve got enough cynicism or enough stomach for the job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 03/30/2008


The surge is working about as well as this web site.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/30/2008

Agreed

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 03/30/2008

Remember when.........................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 03/30/2008

Double Agree

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 03/30/2008

Triple agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 03/30/2008

You can be sure Cheney vigorously urged al Maliki into the disorganized offensive. When someone really shouldn't be in government...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 03/30/2008

"The Democrats, ... , are beginning to point to the fighting in Basra as evidence that the American troop buildup has failed to provide stability and political reconciliation..."

Okay. If you agree with that reasoning then you all need to agree that since global temps dropped more than 1/2 degree C in 2007 then AGW is a hoax. Same logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 03/30/2008

Republican logic is so fuc*ing impressive!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 03/30/2008

The fact that a hunk of ice three times the size of NYC just broke off and is starting to float southward does not suggest that temperatures are dropping. This is what is happening as it floats southward and causes changes in the climate like in the floods in the mid-west once as dry as a desert.. Have you noticed temperatures rising in the south and west and northeast and droughts are spreading and drinking water is disappearing causing people to migrate to other areas which cause war? Oh, no that's reich you have not got enough intelligence to figure out the ramifications cause you are a dip stick Repuklicant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 03/30/2008

Del, it's truly amazing the Repubs here equate the Iraq War with global warming. Such is the state of their intelligence which also rejects the study of evolution and promotes mandatory teaching of Creation Science in public schools.

Anyone can go into the National Climatic Data Center (NOAA.gov) and call up daily, monthly and annual compilations of temperatures and rainfall for any major city in the U.S. That there has been an increase in the temperature in the U.S. there is no question -- unless you're a Republican in which case facts don't count.

As long as the Republican Right Wing Screech Radio liberal-haters dominate the A.M. radio so too will the depth of ignorance they spout to their loyal ditto-heads who genuflect to the Rush Limbaugh gospel. Those who are experiencing a colder than normal winter in parts of the country fail to recognize the spikes in the overall trend that temperatures are still increasing all across the country.

The ditto-head logic dismisses even natural seasonal changes where (gasp!) we still have winter months in the Northern Hemisphere from November through mid-March. Imagine that! It still gets cold in the winter. I guess that proves global warming is a myth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 03/30/2008

Hydeyourhair does your mom know you're playing with the computer again? Don't spill cereal on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 03/30/2008

False analogy. In fact, an idiotic analogy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 03/30/2008

WTF! War and climate change using the same logic? As I have said before- It is one thing for people to think you are a fool but it is quite another to hit the comment button and remove all doubt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 03/30/2008

And he will continue saying the same thing. Hey, he is not going to talk out of both sides of his mouth. He will continue saying that the surge is working no matter what the actual facts on the ground

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 03/30/2008

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM AND BILL KRISTOL BLATANTLY LYING ON FOX NEWS SUNDAY ABOUT "IRANIAN BACKED SHIITE MILITIAS"

Graham and Kristo are spinning the new neocon lie that al-Sadr"s Mahdi Army is being backed by Iran this morning on Fox News Sunday.

THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE. Iran in fact supports our puppet in Iraq, Prime Minister al-Maliki. The new intra Shiite fighting is all about local control of political power and resources (i.e., oil).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/weekinreview/30glan.html?ref=worldspecial

http://www.slate.com/id/2187564/

Because this fight doesn't involve al-Qaeda--and actually goes to the heart of the complete dysfunction of the Iraqi government and Iraqi civil society--the neocons and their Repug shills need to adjust their propaganda and disinformation campaign to create some other bogeyman. i.e.. Iran, to justify continuing the war in Iraq and expanding it to attacking Iran.

These neocons and Repugs are counting on the ignorance of many Americans as to what is going on in Iraq. These lying rat bastards must be challenged on this directly (as if that really mattered).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 03/30/2008

If you think Iran is not supporting all sides in this, I would bet you are mistaken. It is to Iran's advantage to have chaos in Iraq. For this reason, one could point the finger in all directions to see who Iran is supporting. They don't care about religion when it comes to hating others. Remember the old saying, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Sunni's and Shiites may hate each other, but in the larger scheme, they'll agree to disagree if they can cooperate against the non-muslim world.
Semper fi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 03/30/2008

You are right on the money. This was known before our great misadventure and this proves the neocons were lying all along. Many ME Scholars warned of this very thing but were ignored. It makes one believe that the whole purpose of our so called strategy was to find a "final soulution" to the ME and to our energy woes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 03/30/2008

It is to Iran's advantage to have chaos in Iraq.
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Your thinking is convoluted. Iran already has what it wants - a friendly Shia government in Iraq. Why would they want chaos?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 03/30/2008

What are the right wing parrots squawking about now???? It's obvious their surge isn't working. It was a lull in the militia's fighting until they could use the money the US is paying them to buy new weapons!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 03/30/2008

Al Sadr is now surrendering his forces. It sure looks like the SURGE has proven itself once again.

Are we going to hear apologies all around from the critics who said the Al Sadr/miliia uprising was PROOF the SURGE had failed?

We will be waiting.

MAC IS BACK 100 More Years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 03/30/2008

Delusional again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 03/30/2008

According to news sources I have read al Sadr is only calling for a truce and for the release of any of his supporters who were arrested during this go round. He is negotiating from a position of power. Maliki's gov't is seen as a tool of the Western world. This is far from played out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 03/30/2008

A position of power? Even Al Jezzera is reporting this for what it is, a defeat for Al Sadr and victory for the USA!

If Al Sadr were winning he would not be calling for his people to lay down their arms. He would only do that in a feeble attempt to survive. This is also known as surrender.

MAC IS BACK - 100 More Years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 03/30/2008

"Or it could show the Iraqis are incapable of defending themselves, shattering a fragile cease-fire in the process. "

I thought this was an interesting line, that the "Iraqis are incapable of defending themselves." Keep in mind that the militias are Iraqis, also. A better statement would be that the "official" Iraqi army is incapable of defeating the Iraqi militias. The original statement implies that the militias are somehow not Iraqis.

This is a mess beyond belief. McCain is not equipped to handle this. Here's his spokesperson:

said Randy Scheunemann, the McCain campaign"s senior foreign policy adviser. "Would you rather have the Maliki government in control, or the Iranian-backed special groups in control, or Al Qaeda in control?"

Keep in mind that Maliki is the one who welcomed Iran's President Ahmadinejad to Iraq a few months back and is more closely aligned to Iran than most of the militias. Al Qaeda doesn't have enough presence in Iraq to take control, and Iran would certainly send aid to Iraqi Shia groups to battle any Al Qaeda take over attempt.

The difficulty in resolving this is that every interested party has its own groups to back and its own interpretation of events to defend its own agenda. For example, Bush's surge is working when the violence drops, and the surge is working when the violence spikes. Bush and McCain's goal is to defend the surge, not resolve this mess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 03/30/2008

I'm No Einstein, No Nostradamus. But I knew the Minute this Corrpt Regime put OUR kids boots down In Afghanistan- this was going to be a Cluster F*ck.
I have watched this Agenda be played out for the Last 35 yrs - with the pennical being the Last 7.
When The Second Plane Hit- my first words 'That was No accident' . In fact I had the hair stand up on my neck the First time I finally Saw & Heard DICK on the Campaign trail in '99
Moving From the Iran Hostage Crisis to Today I see STRINGS
I watch & read about the War, the Economy, The Campaigns and I still See Strings.
None of this has been an Accident . It has been a well thought out and Well Executed Plan.
WE are on our knees and the Inc's and their Gov't Operative have the gun at the back of OUR head. We have been the last Great Domino to Fall- they had to hit US from every advantage Point- Reputation, Fear, patriotism, financial, communications....We have been Infiltrated and Surrounded.
We Must Show THEM and the World - We have NOT BE DEFEATED!
time for TRIALS that Will make Nuremburg look like OJ's - Real Crime, but failed to bring down the Real Beast Imperialism,/Totalitarianism,......Corporationism. Then we will Porve we are Still the Greatest Democracy in the World and Honor those who have given theri lives for this Goal fro over 2 centuries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 03/30/2008

Only 9 months until this lunatic 8 year nightmare is over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 03/30/2008

Unless Clinton keeps it up and we have 4 years of McCain to live with. Her problem is not being a woman, but being a hateful, dishonest person who only thinks of herself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 03/30/2008

As opposed to a "hateful, dishonest person who only thinks of " himself?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 03/30/2008

President Bush: Your assertion that the "surge is working" is conflicted by information on the air waves that tht Green Zone is under constant bombardment and seige and whole sections of the country are witnessing rebellion and mayhem. Are you receiving the proper information? Or are you being fed only that information that your advisors think you want to hear?
the most difficult challenge of leadership is to recieive unfiltered facts and prevent subordinates from draping grim reality with store front props from old movie sets. Also, you may wish to consider firing those sychophants surrounding your Administration and appointing a bipartisan group of patriotic administrators to assist you in beginning to extricate ourselves from a distant land that is now hemorhaging our sustenance, wealth, will and ability to act rationally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 03/30/2008

Some lessons are never learned or at the least the leaders of this nation are too stupid to calculate problems that may arise. France, when VietNam was known as French Indo-China, was wise enough to get out of what was a civil war after Dien Bien Phu. Ike stepped in and got us started in interfering in that very same Civil War with the landing of a thousand "advisors". Ike would not let the free election he promised to all Vietnamese to take place in 1957. The Nam civil war broke out again. Again we backed such despots as Bao Dai, later Thieu and Ky. Johnson ended up sending a half million of our boys, on a trumped up excuse, to back up a portion of a nation that was unwilling to do its own fighting for its own freedom. Am I the only one who sees these parallels? Where is the Vaunted Press? Why are they not asking the piercing questions? Why do they accept patently phony answers at Press Conferences?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 03/30/2008