When Mommy Is A Boy: How Children Adapt To Transgender Parents

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ABC News   |  Russell Goldman   |   March 30, 2008 09:29 AM


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The National Center for Transgender Equality estimates there are some one to three million transgender people living in America. How many of them are parents, however, is unknown.

Explaining the birds and the bees is a challenge for any parent, but transgender individuals have the added difficulty of explaining not just the basics of human sexuality but the complexities as well.

Experts who counsel transgender parents say younger children, like Amaya, tend to adjust to the news of their parent's transition better than teenagers, and the best thing a parent can do is to be open and answer their child's questions.

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What troubles me is that an obvious, reproducing mamallian female is legally considered male. I consider this female to be a man as much as I consider a corporation to be a human being.

The few transgendered I've knowingly encountered are M to F and unless something has changed could not be declared legally female while they still carried their "equipment".

This is merely a woman on drugs with some plastic surgery and an identity disorder--the female equivalent of a "chick with a dick" or the non-Hollywood equivalent of a Paris Hilton.

Were I providing obstetric services to this woman, I would treat her as such despite her own delusion.

A human male is incapable of pregnancy regardless of the circumstances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 03/31/2008

You would treat him as a woman? Why? How is that not bad manners?

How do you know that it isn't you that is delusional? Maybe your definition of gender is different than his. Why do you care?

If being treated as a man makes him happy, what do you have to gain by telling him he isn't? Would you enjoy making his visit to the obsetritician unpleasant?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 03/31/2008

I'm glad your not my dentist. I'm happy when my dentist tells me I don't have any cavities, but I also recognize that he is there to treat me, not to make me happy.

The writer is right on. To treat someone with a vagina that is pregnant as a woman wouldn't fall into the "delusional" category by any recognizable logic that I have ever seen.

Really, your post is just madness. "Gender" has a specific meaning to it. It's not something that we each get to redefine. Rape is not concensual sex, regardless of what the rapist things. Baseball is not basketball, regardless of what the player thinks. Light is not dark, no matter how much you wish it were. And men don't have vagina's and female sexual organs. I'm sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 03/31/2008

"Would you enjoy making his visit to the obsetritician unpleasant?"

I don't know of any men who've visited an obstitritian, but I can't imagine it being pleasant for any of us.

Maybe an uncomfortable visit to the obstitritian would make the person feel more like a man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 03/31/2008

This isn't an appendectomy where I would humor her, she's having a child for which she wants to claim responsibility and authority.

Kids are remarkably resilient, but need simple answers. When it seems that in some way "mother" must explain, "Your daddy temporarily became a mommy because I couldn't be one", I imagine even more difficult problems than in my case where my grotesquely crippled mother was the de-facto "father" due not only to her "man-like" strength of will and character, but to my father's emotional impairments.

After reading some accompanying articles, I'm inclinded to believe this person is extremely sensitive to gender-referencing titles and [might] insist upon being called, "Sir." From the material presented, I suspect that this woman actually believes that she is a man having a baby.

I could no more suggest--let alone assist--her to have a child than if she believed herself to be Pocahontas with my experience-based good manners requiring me to humor her if I knew she would not have custody of the child.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 03/31/2008

The parenting should still be the easy part. The biggest challenge will be the future of public schools. Check out some of the crazy news in education at http://detentionslip.org.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 03/31/2008

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Children are pure and innocent, therefore they will adapt to anything unless the grown ups start brain washing them or manipulate, neglect or abuse them.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 03/30/2008

Steve SOD says "There's no such thing as 'transgendered.' Only really confused ugly people." The insertion of 'ugly' into the mix suggests a boorish intent, but the central point is still warrants consideration.

If a person sees themselves as grossly obese while they are, in fact, demonstrably slender or even gaunt, the approved medical course of action does not include a gastric bypass in the service of helping them achieve their desired appearance. Such people are referred for counseling, and this counseling is continued until reason is restored.

Yet when a man thinks he is a woman, the 'counseling' is often little more than a screening process for voluntary genital mutilation. These people are not necessarily ugly, but there is a serious psychological issue afoot. It begs the question as to whether this dysphoria should be so readily accommodated--and to pose such a question is not necessarily malicious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 03/30/2008

Your assertion that transsexualism is a "serious psychological issue" flies in the face of over sixty years of focused psychiatric research, which has concluded that while psychological intervention has no significant effect on gender dysphoria, corrective surgery almost invariably leads to identity resolution. Based on the findings of the most learned on this subject in the world, transsexualism is NOT a psychological aberration but rather a birth defect, most likely related to atypical hormonal processes in the developing fetal brain; and since science hasn't yet begun to figure out how to reset the chemical signatures of the brain, the next best thing is to bring the body into alignment with it -- something that can be done quite well these days.

If a child is born with Down's or dyslexia or Tourette's, only the most contemptible among us mock them and condemn them for their differences. When will we give transsexuals the same consideration?

Transsexualism is NOT lightly treated. The standards of care established by the medical community are prohibitive, and those therapists involved in counseling transsexuals and determining the legitimacy of their claims and the severity of their condition tend as often to serve as gatekeepers as facilitators. While it's certainly possible to find unprincipled caregivers who will short-circuit the recommended regimen, it isn't the norm.

I encourage you to read up on the subject. The body of data related to transsexualism isn't immense, and while current conclusions still rest on theory the evidence is compelling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 03/30/2008

I have to agree with devinkay to some degree here. Not to be disrespectful, but social sciences are FAR from being a true science. You indicate that 60 years of research has produced a rash of conclusions, all still supported by theory. Unfortunately, that is true of most of social science...virtually all of it rests upon theory. Not only does it rest upon theory, but there nothing close to a concensus opinion with respect to those theories. In fact, the theories tend to reflect the personal beliefs of those who have crafted them. And that is true on both sides of the argument.

There is NOTHING close to hard evidence that transgender issues come about because of a birth defect. It's only supposition and conjecture. There's just as much evidence that transgender issues result from nurture, not nature.

Given the lack of any solid conclusion, everyone is free to believe which side of the argument they chose to believe. But to argue that it is all but conclusive is simply not true. Not by any measure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 03/31/2008

So, do you also discount global warming and evolution because they"re theories?

While theories do by definition "tend to reflect the personal beliefs of those who have crafted them," in this particular case we"re talking about the CONCENSUS beliefs of an INTERNATIONAL community of professional caregivers. It is they who posit the THEORY that transsexualism is most likely related to atypical hormonal processes in the developing fetal brain. And, yes, there are other theories regarding the origin of gender identity disorder; but, contrary to your assertion, nurture (i.e., upbringing or social influence) has long been held not to be a factor.

Really, it"s irrelevant whether science ever accurately determines why my mind and body didn"t mesh, as the willfully ignorant morality police will refuse to accept those findings anyway. What"s important to me is that our culture continues to evolve toward acceptance of the infinite diversity of human experience. It"s happening; having transitioned on the job and in an ultra-conservative Bush-voting neighborhood, I"m intimately aware of the phenomenon. I predict that in a very few more years trans folk like me will be as passé as your gay mailman or your black president. Those in this forum today with their fallacious pronouncements and snide condemnations are an ever-shrinking minority, who, when intolerance of others earns the spite it deserves, will be the ones forced to abandon or conceal their true natures.

Standards of Care for GID http://www.tc.umn.edu/~colem001/hbigda/hstndrd.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 03/31/2008

"...over sixty years of focused psychiatric research [has created] a body of data related to transgenderism [that] isn't immense..."

Look, I'm not looking to belittle anybody, but the fields of psychiatry, psychology and neurology are absolutely littered with historical missteps that, upon further review, have been so discredited as to seem ridiculous, if not monstrous, in retrospect. And the transgender bandwagon has just this scent about it. (Turning a functional penis into a faux-vagina? Why not just pop an ice-pick into the frontal lobe via the eye socket?)

Typically, these errors were born of preconceived biases that begged the treatment to fit the conclusion, and they were perpetuated by a potent unwillingness to admit to manifest blunder.

Popular (if ineffective) remedies for celebrated disorders tend to die hard.

I'm just wondering aloud whether the transgender protocol might not have wandered down just such a cul-du-sac. There are plenty of people willing to defend the status quo on this issue with cries of bigotry and intolerance. But honest inquiry is too often rejected --not on its merits--but as some sort of cruelly intentioned taunt..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 03/31/2008

"...over sixty years of focused psychiatric research [has created] a body of data related to transgenderism [that] isn't immense..."

A discerning mind would assume (or the least little bit of research would reveal) that the "body of data related to transsexualism isn't immense" should have read "... IS immense." Of course, if you have an axe to grind and intellectual dishonesty isn't a problem, you might prefer to use it to patch together obviously contradictory sentences to open a specious argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 03/31/2008

You don"t think you belittle me when you suggest that a frontal lobotomy with an ice pick would be a better cure for me than gender reassignment surgery? Of course you"re seeking to belittle me and anyone else who might disagree with your specious opinions. How dare you speak of honest inquiry when you don't practice it yourself?

What in your post has intellectual merit? Your post hoc implication that current scientific theories regarding transgenderism are automatically false because of some earlier unnamed missteps in science and medicine? Your unsubstantiated implication that these theories are "born of preconceived biases that begged the treatment to fit the conclusion"? Or your preposterous implication that sixty-plus years of international research is derived of a "potent unwillingness to admit manifest blunders"? This appears to be the sole basis for your position, Sir, and, if you don"t mind my saying so, it smells strongly of your butt.

You falsely decry bigotry and intolerance while practicing it with a vengeance. Who are you, devoid of a scrap of fact or a dram of knowledge, to dismiss an entire body of scientific work, if not an intolerant bigot? Why, your post reflects the very definition of bigotry. Own it. Cut the intellectual dishonesty and accept that your uninformed emotional response to transgendered people is disgust.

Fortunately, in a free society that respects the eternal human quest for self-actualization, transgendered people don"t need the permission of the likes of you to correct the vagaries of nature.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 03/31/2008

listen, i'm fairly liberal, but i don't need the nightmares.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 03/31/2008

Kids are resilient; if you are honest they can pretty much roll with any changes....however they don't do well with abuse or neglect or poverty...Bush are you listenning?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 03/30/2008

Amen.

Health insurance doesn't hurt either.

Also, they tend not to thrive when hit by IEDs, and they tend to do better when science and medicine are allowed to advance without politicians trying to make headlines.

(GV in da house.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 03/31/2008

I transitioned from male to female when my daughter was 16 and my son was 20. When I informed my daughter of my intentions, her first words were, "I'm so proud of you." When I told my son, his first words were, "Are you and Elle (my partner) going to be okay?" Neither was the least nonplussed by the issue and in fact have always seemed to enjoy the uniqueness of our situation. Five years later my daughter's a Dean's List senior at U. of Hawaii, and my son is an award-winning graphics artist for the state's largest newspaper and planning to marry this summer. We're as close and loving as a family could ever hope to be.

I guess what I'm trying to say anecdotally is that transgenderism isn't inherently problematic for families. Children raised in a loving home and taught to think for themselves will survive if not thrive when confronted with unconventional realities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 03/30/2008

It's nice to hear something positive on this topic. I can't believe how intolerant the comments are. I'm glad you and your family are happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 03/31/2008

Your story is really inspirational. It should be a HuffPost Pick!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 03/30/2008

It's troubling to see such ignorance. You think that a child would be traumatized by such a change? How about those individuals who discover that their parents whole lives were being lived dishonestly - to themselves and their families. A child just loves the people who love them - why is it such a big deal if it's not the "proper" nuclear family?
People who are brave enough to ignore and defy archaic social constructs are great romodels

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 03/30/2008

jkpcguru: Didn't bother to read the full ABC article? The younger the child, the more easily he or she adapts to the situation. Teens had the HARDEST time dealing with it. (Yes, it HAS been studied. And the results, however counterintuitive you may think they are, do not conform at all to your preconceptions.)

It's real life, people. Things are seldom, if ever, as neatly categorized as you think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 03/30/2008

I'm not someone who judges. I am someone who gives people respect without regard for race, gender or sexual orientation. But I think its horrible to put a child through such a thing during a crucial development stage. That practice should be studied by phsycologists. Even though its harder for the parent to explain to a teen, I think it is safer for the child to learn this as a teen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 03/30/2008

Um, it has been studied. The children weather this much better than they deal with abuse, neglect and other issues. Most of the kids are fine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 03/30/2008

Um, rimi: 'um' is a conversational place-holder used by a speaker to buy time to form or finish a thought. It's not generally even included in a quotation. There is no need to type it in a comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 03/30/2008

The "um" in this case functions rhetorically, as both you and rini have aptly demonstrated. Rini uses "um" to mock the ignorance of another commenter, while you use the "um" sarcastically, to express your disdain for rini's usage. In both cases I got the message loud and clear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 03/30/2008
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