Obama Win Appears Big In Texas Delegate Battle

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Barrack Obama appeared to have scored a clear victory over Hillary Clinton on Saturday in the second step of Texas' multi-tiered process for selecting its delegates to the Democratic National Convention. With results available from about half of the district conventions held statewide, the Associated Press reported that Obama had won 59 percent of the delegates headed to the state party's June convention to Clinton's 41 percent. That translates into 1,858 delegates for Obama and 1,270 for Clinton.

That result made it likely that when the delegate selection process is finally completed, Obama will have more Texas delegates to the national convention than Clinton, despite Clinton's having won the March 4 primary vote 51 to 47 percent. Under Texas' delegate selection process, 67 of its 206 delegates are selected by the June state party convention.

Tens of thousands of Texas Democrats turned out for Saturday's district conventions in a chaotic day in which many of the meetings in Texas' large cities lasted late into the night. Some delegates -- confused and frustrated by hours-long delays, disorder and disorganization -- gave up on the process and left, still not sure if their vote counted. "Please move a bit faster," urged delegate Whitney Larkins, who attended the largest senatorial district in Fort Worth gathered at the Will Rogers Coliseum. "Have some consideration. Think about those of us who took time out of our lives to participate in this."

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For Both Dem Supporters

Well worth the read

THE MATH " Monday, March 31 " After Texas Counties

Thanks to phrigndumass for the work

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/phrigndumass

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 03/31/2008

Bill Clinton did the math. His conclusion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVIfkuWt3E8

"If she wins in Texas and Ohio, I think she'll be the nominee.If you don't deliver for her, I don't think she can be. It's all on you.

" And the great thing about Texas is, this is a highly unusual place on every count, but this election system of yours, takes the cake! Texas is the only place in America where you can vote twice in the same election without going to jail. And it's the only place in America where you have GOT to vote twice in the same election if you really want Hillary to win this election on March the 4th!"

So, Bill Clinton urges voters here to remember that for Hillary really to win on March 4th in Texas, it's important to win the overall race from the primary AND the caucuses. Otherwise, he doesn't think she can be the nominee. Guess what; she lost Texas overall, and I haven't heard Bill explain why he's still campaigning for her, have you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 04/04/2008

If Michigan and Florida want to seat their delegates at the convention without holding any primaries, then they should implement the Solomon solution of evenly dividing all delegates between the two remaining Dem candidates. Win-win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 04/01/2008

LOU DOBBBS MARCH 31,08

Do you believe there is a media bias against Hillary Clinton and in favor of Barack Obama?

Yes 73%

No 27%

The Obama butt kissing media is the only reason Obama is where he is today. Millions upon millions of dollars in free lying press. Obama has won nothing on his own merits. If not for the press Obama would be out of the race by now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 03/31/2008

Kennedy is a Hillary Shill, ,,,,,,,,goes to all the sites......... and repeats the same things.............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/01/2008

Maybe if Clinton would quit trying to get people fired for criticizing her, the media would like her more?

She hasn't learned the principal: you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 04/01/2008

at least someone out there is still watching crazy lou. please H ppl, stop complaining about the MSM. yes we all know they are evil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 04/01/2008

My friend...it is exactly the opposite...remember that your candidate Hillary was crowned the presumptive nominee just 6-8 months ago and Obama was given up for dead. But thanks to the internet and Obama's supporters who raised money through small donations, he is now on his way to the nomination.

He was running against one of the most established and aggressive campaigns in modern history - they are considered the masters of spin and media management. So no...the media was ready to give this to Hillary...but the people stepped in and it looks like smoke and mirrors is the losing proposition of the day.

And let us be clear...Lou Dobbs would much prefer a Clinton victory for the nomination...she is easily beaten in Nov.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 04/01/2008

Is there some way to permanently filter out individual posters on HuffPo? I'm getting sick of wading through this "kennedy" noise...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 04/01/2008

The Obamas and you are the losers.

Obama ran commercials in FL in violation of DNC rules. Did Dean kick him out of the race??? No!!

Obama is a cheater and liar. And Hillary still won Fl because the voters liked her more than your loser Obama.

And your loser took his own name of the MI ballot. He was to scared to face Hillary. Obama is full of it. He doesn't want Fl and MI to count or vote because Hillary whips his butt every time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 03/31/2008

Those were national commercials....I too live in Miami and I never seemed to be shocked at just how UNINFORMED people are around here.

If anyone is the cheater, it would be Hillary!!!! She was here days BEFORE the primary and then had "victory" rally here that Tuesday night to say, "Thank you to Floridians". No one will ever convince me that she did not that entire planned in advance even after they all pledged that both Michigan and Florida would NOT count.

Yes, I voted anyway but what really pisses me off is that HILLARY who meet my elderly grandmother twice and even eat lunch at a very small round-table luncheon in South Carolina NEVER even stayed around to THANK the people of SOUTH CAROLINA for their support.

After Bill Clinton opened his big mouth about Jackson many of the people in SC finally saw the Clinton's for who they are and Hillary decided to fly out to California to cater to Hispanic voters. If she can "THANK the voters of 1 state, why not all"? The answer, she is willing to say and do AWAY THING to win even if it mean McCain winning in NOVEMBER.

Actions speak louder than words.....she did that same thing again in MN by running to TX when she sensed defeat. The Dems. need a FIGHTER and not a RUNNER. Her campaign advisors have been horrible at best and to be president she should have better people around her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 04/01/2008

I live in Florida, and if a redo was done now..Hillary would lose hands down. And the night before our election she was seen in South Beach, and it wasnt to dance and drink...she was promoting herself. so she violated rules. Hillary is her own worst enemy, with her sly remarks, and crying, and whining she has made all of us sick of her. Who could stand to hear her if she was President, Im sorry she destroyed herself. And when she gets back to the Senate, she will be lonely on the schoolyard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 04/01/2008

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 03/31/2008

Luuuuoosers - losers. Ace Ventura resurfaces. I wondered what happened to you. John would be ashamed of you. Change your name to Nixon - right now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 03/31/2008

I did like the Ace Ventura movies. But Obama is a loser all his own.

And I am JFK DEM. And he would love me and others like me. Obama and you cult people would turn his stomach.

And you Obama people are the Nixon lovers. Obama and Nixon two crooks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 03/31/2008

stay classy H. funny how the person losing, is calling the person ahead a loser. how about you change your name to Bill Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 04/01/2008

take the ball and get the heck home, sore A loser

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 04/01/2008

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 03/31/2008

Really? Every time?? Oh I guess that's the new math wherein he isn't leading in pledged delegates, states won and the popular vote.... Oh yeah and the way it looks now Clinton will have to stop claiming she won Texas (hence all the big states) because he's about to walk out of Texas with more delegates that her as well. Maybe you should invest in a calculator, and a dictionary to polish up your vocabulary skills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 03/31/2008

Hillary won Texas and Obama lost Texas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 03/31/2008

Get lost Hilary zombie

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 04/01/2008

Hilarious! Obama followed the rules and took his name off the ballot. He would have crushed Clinton in Michigan. Your idiocy gives you away as a right wing troll. Now go back to listening to Rush you moron.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 03/31/2008

Obama followed nothing except being scared of Hillary. What a loser.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 03/31/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 03/31/2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybd7MUixxyg

Obama has no accomplishments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 03/31/2008

He has accomplished winning the democratic nomination....would'nt you have to say?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 03/31/2008

FROM: http://demconwatch.blogspot.com

With Michigan and Florida added:

Obama 1473 - 217 - 1690 total

Clinton 1427 - 261 - 1688 total

Edwards 31 -- 31

Uncomm. 55 -- 55

Undeclared 0 370 370

Updated 3/29/2008 Delegates Needed: 2207.5

WHAT IS THAT? HILLARY WOULD BE BEHIND BY ONLY 2 DELEGATES. THAT IS WHY OBAMA IS A COWARD AND REFUSES TO ALLOW FL AND MI TO BE COUNTED.

HILLARY IS BASICALLY TIED WITH OBAMA COUNTING FL AND MI. OBAMA IS A LOSER FOR SPITTING ON THE VOTERS FROM FL AND MI. COUNT THE VOTES OR RE VOTE.

LET THE VOTES BE COUNTED OBAMA OR GO HOME!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 03/31/2008

I can't stop laughing. Where did you get your imaginary figures? Talk about desperation!
You are just too comical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 03/31/2008

Go to the web site. Oh you have haven't you. Ah....

And Obama staying in the race is the only thing comical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 03/31/2008

You are adding delegates that don't exist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 03/31/2008

That's completely fake, folks. Use the Slate Delegate Counter. I did, and after giving every remaining state to Hillary, Obama still has more delegates. Then for good measure I counted Fl and MI as Hillary victories as well. Obama still has more delegates. SHE IS DONE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 03/31/2008

Go to the web site. You can read right?

And I don't trust Obama cult fuzzy math.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 03/31/2008

So, Kennedy, you moron: if you count Florida and Michigan where Obama WASN'T ON THE BALLOT he Obama would still be winning. Real persuasive post, loser.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 03/31/2008

Dip stick and moron Hillary is down by 2 DELEGATES.!!!!!!!

Wow that is so, so, so, so far behind loser.

And when she whips your GODs a-- in Pa he will be kissing her butt from behind.

And Obama took his own name off the ballot in MI because he was scared to run against Hillary there. Obama is a loser then and he is loser now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 03/31/2008

He was ASKED to take his name off the ballot in solidarity with the party and its rules. They were told they couldn't campaign there. So having complied with the rules you now advocate that he be punished for it? An election in which someone was NOT ALLOWED TO CAMPAIGN, not allowed to make their case to the voters is not a fair or democratic election. It's no better than what goes on in dictatorships where "elections" are held to coronoate the ruling party. Clinton won by name recognition. And for Americans to stand up and say those results are valid is a slap in the face to our democracy and to everything this country stands for. Our campaigns may not be perfect and its true that the mainstream media doesn't allow for as much frank discussion about the issues as many of us would like, but at least a campaign allows the underdog (the less well known candidate) to have a fighting chance. MI and FL did not give Obama that chance and the results are INVALID.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 03/31/2008

I am sorry to have to say this, but your attitude stinks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 03/31/2008

YOU are a loser for thinking that votes should be counted in a race where Obama obeyed the rules and took his name OFF the ballot, while your lying, deceiving, win-at-any-cost loser of a candidate kept her's ON the ballot! Lie to win. Cheat to win. ANYTHING to win!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 03/31/2008

Nu uh! Everyone knows Hillary "won" in Texas! Her tremendous "victory" in the cowboy chimp's adopted home state started her on the road to a stunning "comeback" that put her further behind. Now if she can just "win" one more state(while losing handily in the other remaining contests)....the nomination is hers. As it should be....as it has always been...forever...and ever...and ever.....How dare we question Clintonian Manifest Destiny? Chill out....'''''''''''''''''

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 03/31/2008

Our news here in Dallas just reported that Sen. Obama will receive 39 delegates and Clinton 28. So who exactly won Texas?

She's go'in down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 03/31/2008

Obama didn't win Texas. Hillary definitely won the popular vote and the primary which measures the popular vote. Texas has 193 total delegates to allocate. 126 from the primary which Hillary won, she got 65 delegates and Obama got 61 delegates. 67 More come from the caucus which Obama won so far (with 93.32% reporting), Obama has gotten 37 delegates to Hillary's 30 delegates. So just looking at these two pledged portions of the delegate count, Obama has only a 3 delegate lead. But then you add in an additional 35 super delegates who vote at the state convention. Hillary is winning these delegates who are currently voting 28 for Obama and 48 for Hillary, with only 2 undeclared. This gives a hefty lead of delegates back in Hillary's column. She will have won both the popular vote and the delegate vote at the state convention.

Here's an explanation with the tally for the caucus updated as it comes in:

http://www.burntorangereport.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4877

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 03/31/2008