Students of Christianity, Yes. Virginity, No.

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Posted April 1, 2008 | 04:43 PM (EST)



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Sunday's piece in the New York Times Magazine, "Students of Virginity," was interesting to me both professionally and personally -- professionally, because I'm a Christian priest who sometimes deals with such issues in my parishioners' lives, and personally, because I used to be a student of virginity myself.

My education in virginity began as a teenager in a conservative Baptist church, and continued at Wheaton College, an evangelical liberal arts school where some students go so far as to refuse to kiss before marriage. In those settings, I learned the Biblical arguments against premarital sex, as well as the more consequential arguments: that people who engage in it will struggle with self-esteem, depression, connecting with a future spouse, maintaining discipline and restraint in other areas of their lives, and, in case all this isn't scary enough, may even go blind or become sterile.

At Yale, however, both at the Divinity School and on the wider campus, I was surrounded by unmarried sexually active (or at least openly so) people my age who were put together and, contrary to what I'd been taught, were handling their complex sex lives just fine (with eyesight intact). Where they weren't, they seemed able to convert their sufferings into important lessons about life and vulnerability that they may not have learned had they shielded themselves from sexual intimacy.

At the same time, my studies there confirmed that the Biblical arguments for premarital abstinence are fairly flimsy. Jesus said nothing about premarital sex, period. As for Paul, whose writings make up much of the New Testament outside the Gospels, I had been taught that the word sometimes translated as "fornicate" (porneia), which Paul uses quite a lot, frequently refers to premarital sex -- an assumption that's common in conservative Christian writings on this topic. But in fact, Paul uses "fornicate" in myriad ways, and in only one verse -- I Corinthians 7:9 -- does it seem to refer to sex before marriage. Setting aside the fact that Paul was hardly referring here to two professional twenty-somethings living in a culture of birth control and later marriages, more careful reading of the Bible revealed that this verse appears in a chapter of Paul's writing in which he is more deferential about what he's saying than usual, adding disclaimers like "This is me speaking, and not the Lord," or "This I say by way of concession and not demand." It almost sounds as if he was fearful of reducing Jesus' teachings to lessons on sexual propriety, like so many of his followers have since done.

When Christians venture beyond Paul to support their argument against premarital sex, they're also on shaky ground. To use a typical example, the author of a popular book sold on Focus on the Family's website supports her argument that premarital sex leads to sexually transmitted diseases with this verse from Proverbs: "And you groan at your latter end, when your flesh and your body are consumed." In fact, the chapter of Proverbs in which this verse appears seems to be warning married men to avoid prostitutes, and I don't even need to elaborate on her absurd interpretation of "latter end." As with passages from Paul's writings, many of the arguments against premarital sex are drawn from passages that refer to entirely different sexual improprieties. In short: even if you call yourself a Biblical literalist, there's simply not much of a case there against premarital sex, except by way of such exegetical sleights of hand as this one.

Besides giving me a sense of what the Bible really says -- or doesn't say -- about premarital sex, divinity school also introduced me to some of the recent attempts to construct a framework for Christian sexual ethics that takes into account such changes in our culture as later marriages, increased sexual activity with lower risk of sexually-transmitted disease and pregnancy, and so on. Whether for sexual relationships inside or outside of marriage, various criteria have been suggested for such a framework -- justice, vulnerability, reciprocity, sexual enjoyment, intimacy, community, and so on. The Christian tradition has shown itself capable of adjusting to cultural shifts every bit as monumental as this one, and these efforts are part of that long standing tradition of helping Christianity move into the future, just like it has plenty of times before.

In my six years of being a priest, I've encountered a few people who felt premarital abstinence was right for them, and I've encouraged them in that. But more often than not, I've found that it's something people choose not to practice. Since it's not a divine mandate as far as I can tell, I've encouraged those people in their decision, as well. And as for me, I'm no longer a student of virginity, but I'm still a student of Christianity. Maybe even a better one than I was before.


 
 

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I'm glad you've come to that conclusion, because what you repress only surfaces elsewhere, manifesting as some kind of perversion, and what you resist persists. The Catholics have had their day of virginity--and it really hasn't worked, now has it? Sexuality is an integral part of a healthy body and energy system. Which is part of the reason the church repressed it--it was powerful and empowering. Being a minister to others goes beyond petty bible interpretations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 04/04/2008

My husband I have known a couple of people who didn't kiss before marriage and one who didn't have sex. They are all divorced now. Two decided they were gay and one just got curious about others. I'm glad that you are telling people to make a choice and supporting them. You are a good minister.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 04/03/2008

Dear Astrid,

Its hard to believe that you actually went to Wheaton, or that you paid much attention to the nuances of teaching on the subject of Christian sexual morality. The other option is that Wheaton did a really poor job of teaching you how to think biblically about the concept. Although I suspect this comment "I learned the Biblical arguments against premarital sex, as well as the more consequential arguments:" indicates you have already jettisoned the notion that the Scriptures are the final rule of faith and practice.

But a cursory observation of the poor state of marriage in the west, the consistently high rate of divorce and unhappiness in marriage ought to give one pause concerning the negative impact of sexual intimacy outside of a committed life-long relationship. Sex is wonderful, but it also has an extraordinary power to create an illusion of 'intimacy' that is principal a function of sexual release rather than actually knowing a person. Prostitutes report that their 'johns' sometimes cry out 'I love you' in the midst of their encounter.

Committing oneself to Christian sexual ethics isn't some instrument of control intended to deprive humans of pleasure. Rather, it is a generous consideration of the Creator to help us find our way to the most fulfilling intimacy we can have - the kind rooted in love, respect and genuine friendship with our beloved.

Ask for your money back from Wheaton - you got ripped off. (Just kidding)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 04/03/2008

"you have already jettisoned the notion that the Scriptures are the final rule of faith and practice. "

It pretty much always comes down to some guy screaming "Do what I tell you!" at me because he claims to know more about God than I do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 04/04/2008

Pauls' views on sexual relations were related to the fact-that after his own conversion-
the disciples who were both men and women teaching..had several adulterous affairs among themselves (some high up) So Paul was angered by the hypocrisy of this..
Paul took the extreme view of blaming women-relegating them to only support-roles and allowing men only to retain the higher teaching/priests roles..

Sex has been hijacked to mean what a male world wants it to mean..Instead of as God intended sex to be between 2 people--it's become trapped in the egoistic/matierial realm of consciousness which has nothing to do at all with spirituality..Men can use the amount of partners they have as some sort of "male-marker"-while women are called "sluts" if they do the same....ego.
Both men & women look to sex for different reasons. Young women mistakenly think physical
closeness in sex itself-is emotional closeness: when it's not..so they end up getting used, hurt alot , or give up altogether on the idea of sex as spiritual and replace it with a male-dominated thinking of only physical. Of course the older women get--they realize this--and can put up thier own emotional defenses to play the "physical only over emotional" male patriarchal sexual game to avoid being victimized by it. But that, is taking the extreme view, of what feminism and sex is meant to be also--not a good thing...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 04/03/2008

I really love these fundamentalists they all talk the same way don't they?

Look, God loves each and every one of us. He provides lots of different ways for us to get closer to him and he wants all of us to achieve Heaven...

Prayer and good works... and praying for people is charity ...a good work btw, will get us there.

But if you don't believe it gets pretty hard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 04/03/2008

This is progress. A bit more reading and we can wean you off the stuff entirely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 04/02/2008

The question is why anyone would be interested in what a "reverend" from Wheaton would have to say about virginity. What would interest me would be to find some young people who hadn't been warped, either by a church or by their parents, and could think for themselves. That's what we need in America, some people who can drop the conditioning and think for themselves. Religion is about control, especially control of women. If you can control a person's sexuality, you can control the person. "Reverends" know this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 04/02/2008

I'm impressed with your courage and honesty to post this article Rev. Storm. I think more people need to hear about this kind of analysis and interpretation of the bible even if it goes against their current belief system. Anyone can choose to ignore that God made them a sexual being but is that really being honest about what you feel or want. I think that dealing with those feelings and emotions and finding out who you really are makes more sense. And it helps to realize that sexuality relates to more than just a physical act, it is the source of creativity and doesn't have to be expressed in the physical at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 04/02/2008

Only the circumstance of time and place make one religion more influential, more popular, or more relevant than another. 2000 years ago there was no Christianity, no Bible, no "God" and many would know it. Who is to say what will be around 2000 years from now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 04/01/2008

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron"s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~ C. S. Lewis

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 04/01/2008

Wow! Lots of bile dregged-up by the responents to this article.

Someone quoted Paul... Corinthians...

Yet, we have these finger-pointers... the faux pristine.

Mark Twain was right... "There's only been one Christian, but they caught and killed him early."


Woe to you who are versed in the Law! For you weigh men down with burdens hard to bear Luke 11:46


"The sting producing death is sin, but the power of sin is the Law." (1 Co. 29:56) "For it was not through Law that Abraham nor his seed had the promise that he should be heir of a world. But it was through righteousness by faith. For if those who adhere to the law are heirs, faith has been made useless, and the promise has been abolished.. In reality, the law produces wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there any transgression.On this account it was as a result of faith...for the promise to all his seed, not only to that which adheres to Law, but also to those who adhere to the faith of Abraham." Ro. 4: 13-16


"Why then do you look at the straw that is in your brother's eye, but do not observe the rafter that is in your own eye... Hypocrite! First extract the rafter that is in your own eye, then you will see clearly to extract the straw that is in the eye of your brother." Lu. 6: 41-42

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 04/01/2008

Paul stated, "It is better to marry than to burn [with passion]." You have turned the clear meaning in the statement to, "If you burn with passion, don't worry about marriage, just have sex."

Deplorable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 04/01/2008

the only people who used to marry back then where the rich and it was to protect inheritance now we have DNA for that and even the peasants have access to it thanks to Maury Povich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 04/03/2008

so a marriage shouldn't be passionate? well, that might help explain a divorce rate over 50%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 04/02/2008

Abstinence, Abstinence Education, Abstinence Only, Abstinence-Only, Bible, Chastity, Christianity, Evangelical, Evangelicalism, Fornication, Premarital Sex, Sex, Sexuality, Stds, Students Of Virginity, Teen Sex, Virginity

All these links under your blog heading made me gasp. So much sexual content. I thought for a moment I had accidently surfed onto one of them "best of porn" sites.

Your subject was a serious one. The links made me feel a need to shower.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 04/01/2008

I have no idea why you would feel the need to take a shower. Most of the words here are abstinence and viginity. The only mildly provocative tag is teen sex. This was a very clear attempt to discuss difficult issues in a mature fashion.
Part of the problem is that people are so squeamish about talking to young people in a forthright and honest manner. Your reaction to this seems to be typical of this.
Just say no does not work with naturally rebellious young folks. Information and respect does. Fear not so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 04/02/2008

I'm sorry, but your commentary has made it very clear, if only to me, that you are an "intellectual" reverend, having studied for and obtained your various degrees. But that clearly doesn't make you one born of the Holy Spirit! In fact, your commentary reflects more that you are the kind of "false teacher" that the Book of Jude warns about-- the kind whom Jude warns, "...have secretly slipped in among you [Christians]. They are godless men, who change the grace of God into a license for immorality..."

As Christians, we have no business judging the world with respect to their practices because, essentially, they are still spiritually dead. However, we ARE called very clearly in 1 Corinthians 5:12 to judge those [like you] inside the Church, expelling them if necessary to protect sound Christian doctrine. Perhaps, I should've asked first, what kind of "reverend" are you? Because NOTHING in your piece exorts your readers to a more righteous, holy life that recognizes the sancticty of one's body, or even towards the pursuit of such an ideal, as Christianity teaches. Your beliefs are aligned more closely with a new-age, moral relativist worldview, since, essentially, you are willing to trade the absolute truths and authority of God's word (in several Old and New Testament passages, thank you, contrary to what you have stated!) in an effort to be "politically correct" Essentially, you have said that God's word is subject to the culture. What crock.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 04/01/2008

many of the words were not directly from "god" but rather people interpreting what they thought god meant. so the faith isn't supposed to evolve with culture?? that means we must still kill people for eating meat on a friday, or stone adulterers to death, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 04/02/2008

"many of the words were not directly from "god" but rather people interpreting what they thought god meant."

Indeed, that's the whole Bible.

"so the faith isn't supposed to evolve with culture??"

If the culture is advancing spiritually, then the faith should also advance. However, if the culture is going to hell as fast as ours, then the faith should at least hold steady if possible.

"that means we must still kill people for eating meat on a friday, or stone adulterers to death, right?"

Any day would be good, not just Friday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 04/03/2008

Well said! There are many so-called "priests" and other false teachers who use tortuous Biblical interpretation to justify what is specifically warned against in scripture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 04/02/2008

Yes and most of them have huge mega-churches and their own TV shows on Sunday mornings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 AM on 04/03/2008

Since you sound like a biblical fundamentalist, presumably you believe that the Bible is the ultimate authority. If that's the case, then what makes Reverand Storm's interpretation of the Bible any less valid than yours, or Pat Roberton's, or Pope Benedict's, or Pastor Smith down at First Baptist?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 04/01/2008

From the above comments, I gather that whereas one may be reasonably respectful in dealing with differing beliefs of other kinds, having any RELIGIOUS beliefs is so abhorrent and so criminal that all civility may be abandoned and it's perfectly OK to spit and hurl waste products.

The Old Testament says that a man with crushed testicles may not bring sacrifice in the temple. It most assuredly does NOT say that such a man can't get into heaven, because the Old Testament doesn't talk about anybody going to either heaven or hell. Those are New Testament concepts. I'm sorry to hear about your weird accident. Glad it was only your frontal lobes.

The Bible continues to be important to many people on many levels--historical, literary, and psychological, for starters. I concede that, historically and scientifically, Eve was not really created from Adam's Rib. And that's reason enough that nobody should ever read or quote from any book of the Old or New Testament ever again--because they'll look silly?

Well, that's pretty silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 04/01/2008

There are only 3 Ways to remain chaste:

1. Prayer
2. Mortification
3. Avoiding dangerous occasions of sin.

Fornication is a sin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 04/01/2008

Cartman, If we don't fornicate, the human race will end. Is God for that? Why then did he give us this great urge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 04/03/2008

Two good prayers:

The Chaplet of Divine Mercy

The Holy Rosary

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 04/03/2008

i thought "god" supposedly gave people free will. what do YOU care what somebody else is doing?? they aren't doing it to you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 04/02/2008

"Fornication is a sin."

So are a thousand other things, but the fundamentalists seem to be rather obsessed with the sins of the flesh almost to the exclusion of all others. These people seem to be more sexually obsessed than the "swingers" were back in the 1970s.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 04/01/2008

Slut!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 04/01/2008

Why should I listen to a priest about sex? Kind of like asking a doctor about god.

Your bible also says that if my testicles are crushed, I can not enter the kingdom of heaven. I had this weird accident a while back...

But seriously, you're quoting a book that says woman was made out of a man's rib. And it's not kidding. Your book is completely serious about this. Do you believe that?

Then why would you risk looking so silly quoting other parts of it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 04/01/2008

methfg: Then why would you risk looking so silly quoting other parts of it [the Bible]?

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Because she spent 2 years of her life and many thousands of dollars going to Yale Divinity School.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 04/01/2008

It does not say rib. It says "side." This has been misinterpreted as referring to a rib. The language used in Genesis can be taken to hint that the original human was hermaphroditic but was split into two genders to allow for reproduction. This makes sense when you consider the original religion Judaism arose from worshipped a god and goddess who were husband and wife and refers to humans as being created in the image of the deity. I'm not a Christian myself, but I at least try to keep up with accurate statements about their primary book's contents instead of spouting fundamentalist misinterpretations as valid.

As for why to quote it, gosh, I don't know, Sparky... you think maybe she finds it of use as a guide for her life? And has the sense to recognize cultural data with no application to reality versus the philosophy within the pages that serves as the guiding principles for her ethics? You know, like how some people ignore how pathetic the lives of some secular philosophers were but still find their words to be of use as a guiding ethical principle?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 04/01/2008

Why try to ridicule someone who is actively promoting tolerance?


Her lessons are primarily for people in her faith community. The arguments aren't supposed to be meaningful to those who come from a different tradition.


However, arguing within the Christian tradition, she's making the useful point that those who use the New Testament to promote a very conservative view of sexual relations are misreading the bible and possibly putting words in Jesus's mouth. She is suggesting they lighten up.


I think that sounds like a good idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 04/01/2008

blindjester: I think that sounds like a good idea.

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What really sounds like a good idea is that ALL of 'em - the liberals, the conservatives, the Jews, the Christians, the new-age Hindus, and the militant atheists - take it outside (a nice game of softball, maybe?) and leave the rest of us the hell alone.

Whether we're talking about Reverend Astrid Storm here, or Rabbi Schmuley Boteach, or David Horton, Reverend Wright or anyone else with a particular religious or irreligious POV - all of them are experts in exactly one thing: their own lives and their own beliefs.

It is hubris for any of them to presume it's their place to tell the rest of us how to think (or not), how to act (or not), how to believe (or not).

As the great philosopher once said, "You're not the boss of me".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 04/01/2008
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