CDC Has Lost Control of the Autism Argument

Posted April 4, 2008 | 12:55 PM (EST)



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On Wednesday, CNN's Larry King hosted Jenny McCarthy, myself, and several others to discuss the growing evidence of a link between childhood vaccines and autism. The CDC refused to send someone to appear on the show. Instead, on Thursday, the agency issued a statement meant to reassure the American public that all vaccines are safe for all kids.

But the CDC statement only served to show how out of touch the administration of George (really? gas costs 4 dollars?) Bush really is.

A recent government decision to award nine-year-old Hannah Poling taxpayer dollars for her multiple vaccine-induced autism, has left parents anxious and alarmed, especially when their own kid has a pending appointment to receive 5 or more vaccines in one sitting (Hannah had 9 at once).

So the CDC now issues a written statement meant to soothe jittery parents, by saying that "the recommended vaccine schedule is flexible." Such decisions, the friendly announcement said, "are best made in consultation with the child's doctor, and parents shouldn't be reluctant to have such discussions."

Of course parents shouldn't be reluctant to have this discussion, but they are. I get nasty emails from some pediatricians, and the number-one complaint I get from them is that, because of people like me, they must now "waste" (their word, not mine) precious billing hours talking to layperson parents about vaccine science.

These doctors' hostility is palpable, (and they hopefully represent a minority of pediatricians). And while I cannot imagine ever consulting anyone of such temperment for medical care in the first place, many parents are simply cowed into silence. For them, the CDC suggestion to ask vaccine safety questions at a well-baby visit is laughable, if not risible.

Interestingly, after years of being told that autism is purely genetic, and not some environmentally triggered epidemic, parents now learn that the CDC has begun a massive investigation, called the SEED study, to look at "genetic, environmental and hormonal factors, as well as selected mercury exposures," that cause autism

This is encouraging news, though one can assume that thimerosal is not among those mercury exposures that have been "selected" for study.

But the real problem here is the track record and credibility of the CDC to continute conducting any vaccine safety studies at all, a view that is shared by some on Capitol Hill.

This is not helped when the CDC continues to issue statements such as:

"Top scientists -- with the open-mindedness that characterizes good science -- planned and conducted the highest-quality, large-scale (vaccine safety) studies. No links to autism have been found."


Now, I have no doubt that CDC officials believe these truly were the "highest quality" studies available. But but many scientists, including some who authored the studies, disagree. They say many of the studies were flawed and/or inconclusive.

THE U.S. STUDY

The flagship study was a four-year analysis by the CDC of a large US database called the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD). This study, published in the journal Pediatrics, was authored by Dr. Thomas Verstraeten, a visiting researcher from Belgium.

The final, published version of the study found no evidence of a link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism, though earlier analyses -- discovered through the Freedom of Information Act -- showed remarkable correlations.

At the time, the CDC called it one of the highest quality studies of its kind ever conducted.

But in 2006, Congress asked the National Institutes of Health to convene a special panel to investigate the quality and usefulness of the VSD database -- and by extension, the Verstraeten study itself -- as a means of investigating such a link.

The panel determined that there were "several serious problems" with the database and the study, including many "weaknesses" and "limitations" that could render certain analyses "uninformative and potentially misleading. "

The NIH Panel was "concerned" about how autism diagnoses were made and recorded by HMOs who take part in the database, and questioned if the HMOs had adequate services for autism families, who might seek care elsewhere. Panelists said these and other problems likely led to an "under-ascertainment" of autism cases in the HMOs.

The panel also cited many problems with the Verstraeten study design. It warned that a "large proportion, around 25%, of births were excluded from the analysis." Panelists wrote that these same children "may represent a susceptible population whose removal from the analysis might unintentionally reduce the ability to detect an effect of thimerosal."

Other "serious problems" were the facts that there was no consideration of pre-natal thimerosal exposures from immune globulin, or "other vaccinations given during pregnancy," (i.e., flu shot), and no accounting for, "the cumulative exposure to organic mercurials through diet or other environmental sources. "

The NIH panel determined that these problems, "reduce the usefulness" of the VSD to prove or disprove a link between thimerosal and autism.

Shortly thereafter, panel chair Dr. Irva Hertz-Picciotto, Professor of Public Health at U.C. Davis School of Medicine, told Dan Olmsted (formerly) of UPI that the VSD study "was not the last word... things need to be looked at again, perhaps with different methodology."

And Verstraeten himself said the study proved nothing. In a letter to Pediatrics, he wrote that, "We found no evidence against an association, as a negative study would. On the contrary, additional study is recommended, which is the conclusion to which a neutral study must come."

THE DENMARK STUDIES

Two studies conducted in Denmark are always referred to by the CDC and others when trying to defend the injection of organic mercury into the systems of newborn babies and infants. These are among the best of the "highest quality" studies, we are told, that show no link between vaccines and autism.

The main Denmark study reported that the removal of mercury from vaccines was followed by a sharp increase in reported autism cases. But the authors admitted that much of this increase was possibly due to a major change in the way Denmark counted its autism cases during the study period (switching from inpatient diagnosed cases only, or about 13% of the total, to cases diagnosed in inpatient AND outpatient settings, or 100% of the total).

The CDC touts the high quality of the study, even though the authors cautioned in the study itself that "methodological limitations" -- such as the exponential expansion of patients (due to counting both inpatient AND outpatient cases) -- "may have spuriously increased the apparent number of autism cases."

Adding insult to understatement, Dr. Hertz-Piccotto said that, as bad as the VSD study was, the Denmark papers were even worse. "Some studies are stronger than others," she said. "The Verstraeten study was an improvement on other studies, including the two in Denmark, both of which had serious weaknesses in their designs."

THE IOM REPORTS

In 2004, a committee of the Institute of Medicine reviewed the US, Denmark and a few other similar studies (whose methodology have been questioned in other venues including my book, "Evidence of Harm").

The IOM committee relied almost exclusively on large population studies (epidemiology), and virtually ignored the growing body of evidence emerging from clinical, animal and test tube studies from the fields of toxicology, immunology and other scientific disciplines.

(Interestingly, the US Federal Court system has determined that epidemiology alone is "insufficient" when trying to disprove a link between exposures and outcomes in an individual).

The committee concluded that the evidence did not support a vaccine link to autism. But it added that, "We cannot rule out, based on the epidemiology, the possibility that vaccines contribute to autism in some small subset," something that parents have been saying all along.

Finally, in 2005, another panel of the IOM criticized the CDC for a "lack of transparency" in its vaccine safety programs, particularly the VSD database. The IOM panel report noted that a CDC official had testified that some of the original datasets in the Verstraeten study, "had not been archived in a standard manner," and, "may not allow all the re-analyses that one might want to do, or in fact may not be available at all."

This same IOM committee, citing the Federal Information Quality Act, which makes it a felony to intentionally lose or destroy any publicly funded records, recommended that vaccine officials at the CDC's National Immunization Program "seek legal advice."

And despite all of this (and more) the CDC wants us to believe that these studies represent the "highest quality" analyses available.

The leadership of CDC Director Julie Gerberding has been replete with crushing morale depletion, embarrassing media coverage, congressional investigations into Katrina trailers, and a general sense of an agency in decline.

Sadly, the words "CDC" and "highest quality" can rarely be used in the same sentence anymore.

 

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Poling was included as a test case even though her mito condition had been documented as early as february 2006 by Zimmerman et al. This is clearly not a typical case.

Hannah's "autism" appear mild and temporary. According to Zimmerman et al at 23 months she scored 33 on the Childhood Autism Rating Scale (CARS). Her CARS scores dipped below 30 shen she started kindergarten.

I have to wonder why it was included in the Omnibus. For many it appears to be an obvious case of vaccines aggravating a mito condition. But until we are allowed the same access to court documents as Mr. Kirby, who has spent the last few years cheerleading the discredited autism/thimerosal hypothesis, it's too early to link Poling to other discredited hypotheses.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 04/07/2008

There is no evidence Hannah had mito dysfunction prior to her vaccines on July 19.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 04/07/2008

More accurately, there was no suspicion of a mito condition prior to her vaccines.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 04/10/2008

The CDC is a very political organization. If you want to see how they operate, read Hillary Johnson's "Osler's Web" which shows in great detail how the CDC has lied to the American public for over two decades about "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome." If they use the same political antics on autism, everyone will still be running around in hypothetical circles two decades from now.

From the CDC's perspective, the only people qualified to comment on the CDC are CDC scientists. The CDC has almost absolute power in public health and remember how absolute power is said to corrupt.

And don't forget that the CDC never shut down the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment the minute they found out about it. It took a journalist (tipped off by a public health underling) to move things in the right direction. If they had waited for a qualified doctor to blow the whistle, the experiment might still be going on today.

Public health without oversight and accountability is tyranny.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 04/06/2008

"Public health without oversight and accountability is tyranny."

Excellent quote! Thanks for that post.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 04/06/2008

While it is not unlikely that the autism epidemic has its roots at least partly in environmental factors, there are many potential sources other than vaccination: air pollution, food additives, mercury in our drinking water, household molds ... all these chemical agents and more in our environment are as contemporaneous with the rise in autism as childhood vaccination.

As one who was a child during the horrific polio epidemics of the 1950's I would not want to see these, or the earlier smallpox epidemics strike our cities again because we panic ourselves into curtailing vaccination against these scourges.

To most of today's younger parents with infant children, polio may be little more than an anecdote from ancient history, but it crippled many children for life and even killed some. If polio struck our cities again each summer, I think most people would see preventative vaccination as by far the lesser evil when weighed against the smaller peril of increased autism risk.

That said, it is crucial that further studies on the environmental connection to autism continue. We probably need to be more cautious of vaccination and perhaps limit them to the prevention of life threatening diseases, but we also need to look at other potential environmental causes of autism. If we were to stop vaccinating entirely and leave ourselves vulnerable to a new polio epidemic, only to find that the real culprit in autism is baby food additives, an entire generation of children may curse us.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 04/06/2008

While it is not unlikely that the autism epidemic has its roots at least partly in environmental factors, there are many potential sources other than vaccination: air pollution, food additives, mercury in our drinking water, household molds ...
Wake up America. We have been under areosol attack(chemtrails) for at least 12 years. The US military, under God knows whose orders, has been spraying us(except Utah) with millions of pounds of toxic spray daily. A spray which includes massive contamination of aluminum and barium particulates, 200 types of mold, MORGELLONS PATHOGENS, exotic strains of bacteria and ETHYLENE DIBROMIDE. All without our permission or knowledge. See http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies.
They(the eugenist) used to be happy to kill us with their made up wars and famines and medicines and food additives but no that was not fast enough so now they spray us right under our noses and we accept it.
Google Endgame
A Jones spells it out for you and yes Mabel, 911,Iraq War , food additives, and vaccines are connected.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 04/06/2008

It's all about possible lawsuits--if mercury is bad then dentists come under fire too, so with all the recklessness in the name of expediency and profit, there's too many people who've been wronged--and that means civil suits galore. No one can admit wrongdoing, especially in the CDC or the ADA.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 04/06/2008

By now it should be evident to all that our entire healthcare system has been hijacked by the pharmaceutical companies. No matter what the problem is (or could be), we have the drug (or innoculation) for it.

So along with increased suicides and murders under prozac, lexapro, and the like; ad heart attacks caused by pain and heart medications, we have big pharma killing or torturing our kids - even while they're stil in the mother's womb (waiting to be delivered by C-section).

When your doctor offers you drugs...just. say. no.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 04/05/2008

"When your doctor offers you drugs...just. say. no."

i don't know about that, but you should definitely try other avenues of treatment first... our culture is to quick to prescribe a pill... medication won't cure everything, and over-using it just leads to less effectiveness.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 04/06/2008

Thank you Mr. Kirby and thank you Huffpo for sharing this important information. I urge all parents, and parents-to-be, to do research on both sides of this issue, so that you can make an informed decision. My own child is one of those who was injured by vaccines. Our pediatrician was completely uninformed & treated us with scorn when we asked questions. When we insisted on his giving our child the "dead" polio vaccine instead of the "live" one (this was in the 90's), he told us "we were making a ridiculous fuss over nothing". In the year 2000, the CDC finally stopped US Drs from giving the "live" polio vaccine to kids and went back to the safer "dead" one. After our child almost died from his third round of vaccines (he actually got whooping cough from the vaccine); we dumped the Ped. and started taking our son to a Family Dr. Also, with the concurrence of two other MDs, who took the time to carefully review our sons case and family history, we stopped the vaccines, except for tetanus boosters. One of my students has autism & his parents firmly believe it was caused by vaccines. They are both scientists for a large drug company!

There are two sides to this issue, people. Investigate them both before you make harsh judgements. This is America, everyone should have the right to make their own decisions as to what is best for themselves and their children.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 04/05/2008

"the real problem here is...the credibility of the CDC".
As a journalist and public relations professional, what qualifies David Kirby to pass judgement on, or even assess in any meaningful way, the credibility of the CDC? Just asking....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 04/05/2008

rrose-

David Kirby is extremely qualified an an investigative journalist, spending 2+ years gathering data and interviewing for his book, "Evidence of Harm". He also continues updating any new information here on HuffPo.

When you use the words "judgement" and "meaningful way", it sounds as if you think he is being harsh and negative without any rationale. His report here is filled with facts and quotes. Do you somehow come up with a rosier assessment and credibility of the CDC? Just asking.....

Teresa

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 04/05/2008

I believe that the point he is making is that since the CDC did not feel confident enough to make their case in the public square and instead attempted a "political spin", that they must feel that they are thin ice and can no longer control public perception and reaction. They have spent their public reputation defending the indefensible and now they need to back it up with real facts instead of continuing to say "just trust us".

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 04/05/2008

What are your qualifications for assessing Kirby's assessment of the CDC? Just asking...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 04/05/2008

strifeknot--a new name

I don't think any here need certain qualifications to read and come up with the same assessment. Do you somehow have a more favorable feeling about CDC?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 04/05/2008

It is the fear of what will happen to the v. schedule that is holding up a resolution of this matter. And that is an overstated and -felt fear.
It's not as if we would be helpless in the face of an onslaught of a return of the ch. diseases if we didn't have the vaccines to protect us from them (with all their side effects). Take polio. Dr Klenner of So. Carolina had begun successfully treating it with v. large doses of vitamin C before the advent of the (patentable) vaccine for it. But with that advent, his treatment quietly disappeared from view. Or take measles. Older GPs will know about successfully treating it with vitamin A/cod liver oil. And there is the likes of colloidal silver in successfully treating the DPT triad - and thus without its litany of side effects (particularly the pertussis component). The list of natural anti-virals and -bacterials goes on; thus ameliorating the symptoms, AND thereby allowing true, lifelong immunity to take place, that the mother can then pass on to her child through the placenta and then her milk. Fortunately the medical profession is beginning to be aware of the dangers of too many children having too immature of an immune system. This may help pave the way for a consideration of ALL the factors involved in a major review of the vaccination issue - a review which the huge increase in autism will have brought into being.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 04/05/2008
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As much as I've had my run-ins with Heraldblog/AutismNewsBeat et al in these autism threads, I want to acknowledge something valuable about that skeptical, Devil's Advocate point of view; viz: where are the studies? Many of us believers in a vaccine connection w/autism have not gotten hung up on the lack of any solid epidemiological studies confirming the link (we have other reasons for our beliefs, eg, clinical, animal & test tube studies, and probably most significantly, the 'anecdotal' evidence of a parent's experience upon having taken his/her child in for their shots & seen a clear result - highpitched screaming, inconsolable crying, going ragdoll limp, etc etc - that incontrovertibly led to some form of ASD/PDD etc); but if the vaccine schedule is going to be threatened over this issue, 'they' want it to be a damn sure thing, evidential as hell. And so those making the claim of a connection have had to do some good hard work - that will benefit us all in the long run, for the information that it has brought out. Info hopefully (from the connection pov) that will (a) force into place a pre-vaccine screening phase, for that subset of children who are susceptible to vaccinal damage, and will (b) put pressure on the medical-pharmaceutical complex for safer vaccines, and (c) a later introduction of them, and without so many antigens at a time

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 04/05/2008

Few people are saying that it is the vaccines that cause the problem. Most maintain that it's the thimerosol preservative that is at issue. If there is a plausible link, even if it is not fully proven, what is the harm in using an alternative preservative? People could keep taking their kids in for shots, but without the mercury.

Maybe it would cost more money. But isn't this the kind of thing we should spend money on---the health of our children?

What would prevent us from taking at least this much action?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 04/05/2008

Why did I think they had taken the thimerosol out of the vaccines? I thought some states had even banned it 5 or more years ago. And that even if it was in you could ask for thimerosol free vaccines. I used to hear Imus and his wife talk about it. Am i wrong?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 04/05/2008

Sadly, I think that changing the formulae to this extent at this point would imply liability on the part of the CDC et al. God knows they in no way want to take responsibility for something like this.

I will say this. If they have been poisoning our children, then they'd better fess up now. I'm far more willing to forgive them as opposed to this being leaked out somehow.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 04/05/2008

Exactly, don't you think that an admitting fault is far better than getting it thrown in your face? It is just good human nature.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 04/05/2008

Not for these folks. It's about MONEY. That's why all the PR is so carefully crafted.

I agree with Craig. A "settlement" won't be enough for my family.

If the facts come in as I have always presumed then criminal prosecution will be next.

It is disgraceful that we live in a country where the Congress let tobacco executives off the hook even after they lied right before their eyes.

I'm hopeful that neither Obama nor McCain would let it happen with Thimerosal. Remember I said "hopeful", not "certain."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 04/06/2008

Bottom line is that science is often trying to get something positive done and then hubris and money prevent any response beyond we know what is right, until they inevitably admit they are guessing most of the time. Vaccines have a function in healthcare and they also may be overused and present more risk than benefit when preserved with mercury. It is a complex integraative approach that will find better answers. The CDC would benefit from a little humility in their approach and admit that they don't know and that there are alternatives for those who are concerned. Like cigarettes it may be helpful to warn those who get the shots about the "controversy which is under further study" and let them assume the risk with the benefit of a little knowledge. This needs to get fixed by healers with a conscience, not lawyers.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 04/05/2008

The article is interesting, but I think fails to distinguish what are the responsibilities of the FDA, and
what falls into the domain of the CDC. I suspect most of the blame should fall at the doorstep of
the FDA, which has been very politicized by the current morons in the White House.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 04/05/2008

Thank you for providing so much information. I have mercury poisoning and it was diagnosed by conventional docs as MS. I'm on chelation therapy right now and might be improving (it might take 6-12 more months to really know). No one can tell me where the mercury came from; I had only one amalgam filling. Childhood immunizations is one possibility. I have always had some level of clumsiness, and it might relate to the mercury.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 04/05/2008

This is pretty bad advice. It's "not even wrong".

I don't know what those awful, rude pediatricians wrote you, but it might have been something like this:
If a population is not almost completely innoculated against a virus the virus will survive among the population that has not been vaccinated and continue to mutate.

A kid isn't just vaccinated for their own sake, but for the sake of the community.

Which is why activists and community groups struggled so hard to vaccinate every American against Polio. Anyone unvaccinated put everyone at risk.
This is still a problem. Read about vaccination in Africa. That not only could but would be us if not for near-universal vaccination. Which is why a doctor might be frustrated at rumors which disuade people from vaccinating their children. It's EXACTLY what happens in third world countries bouncing back and forth between irradication and epidemic.

Give money to Autism research.

This is complicated science.

Almost all mainstream scientists agree that global warming is real, despite the fact that this conclusion is against the profit incentive of the oil industry.

If science supported a causal link between a vaccine ingredient or vaccination method and Autism, that knowledge could not be silenced by big pharma.

Especially since the solution would be a different method or formula, rather than the getting rid of the industry.

Most importantly correlation doesn't, ever, prove causation.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 04/05/2008

"A kid isn't just vaccinated for their own sake, but for the sake of the community."

If they vaccinate everyone, how will the effectiveness be measured. Who is the control group?

"For the sake of the community..." If it's so important for the sake of the community, then they ought to produce vaccines that are suitable for everybody. My family and I are ethical and religious vegetarians. Vaccines are made through animal abuse and contain the products of animal slaughter, and are not remotely suitable for vegetarians. Some vaccines are even made from aborted human fetuses.

"For the sake of the community...:" That would be the community of people who don't care about animal slaughter, people who maintain their bodies by cruelty to others. That community is going to hell, and there seems to be little I can do about it, so forget about them. There's no way I'm going to inject the abominable filth that is vaccines into my children so that animal killers can live longer.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 04/08/2008

How long did it take for scientists to reach consensus regarding gloab warming? The theory of global warming has been out there for decades. However, people like you needed to wait until someone managed to scrape up enough money to conduct studies that prove that dumping toxins into the atmosphere is a bad idea.

So, as we speak, people are trying to come up with the money to fund the very studies that would finally convince you and the mainstream that injecting toxins into an infant's bloodstream is a bad idea. See, the big hurdle for us humans is that common sense is not enough any more. You have to spend a billion dollars proving that something your average person could comprehend is a bad idea, is actually causing the damage. How long did it take to prove that smoking was bad? Lead paint? The list goes on.

Tell me, don't you think if a practice is questionable and parents are concerned and recognizing distinct side effects in their children immediately following vaccinations, the burden should be on the vaccine manufacturers and the medical community to prove that they are not causing harm.

Based on your logic, we are giving a tremendous advantage to industries that should be in the practice of ensuring that their products are safe rather than us as consumers carrying the burden of proving they are not. That can take money that no one who stand to gain seems to have and it can take decades.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 04/05/2008

Wasn't Thimerosal removed from vaccines in 2001 anyway? Certainly if there's a causal linkage between Thimerosal and autism, then anyone injured by it should be compensated. But, what's the rationale for fear now, if the ingredient isn't used anymore?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 04/05/2008

Check out the CDC's web and look for the page that has the ingredients list. You will see that Thimerosal is still in many of the vaccinations. They like to say it is removed, however you will see otherwise.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 04/05/2008

My understanding is that thimerosal is no longer permitted in what they call the core scheduled children's vaccines. But is still used in several vaccines for children. How much is too much?

After 2001 when thimerosal was banned in the core schedule in the US, the big pharma companies did not destroy their stockpiles, they exported them to other countries, including Canada. Thus immunizations with thimerosal continued for at least another season. I know a little kid in Toronto who was an OK toddler in 2001 but had been diagnosed with serious autism by 2004.

Another issue is usage in adult vaccinations, especially when a person receives many vaccinations in one or two days, as the military does to prepare personnel for service overseas.

Another possibility is that thimerosal is not the causative factor for autism alone, maybe other components in the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine cause some neurological damage.