Patriotism in the Kingian Tradition

Posted April 5, 2008 | 07:28 PM (EST)



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Frederick Douglass' definition of patriotism goes like this: "A true patriot is a lover of his country who rebukes and does not excuse its sins." When you look at what Jeremiah Wright had to say and look at it in context, Rev. Wright is standing in a Kingian tradition.

Everyone wants to cast Martin King as a dreamer. But one year to the day before his assassination, Dr. King gave a speech called "Why I'm Opposed to Vietnam," and in that speech he talked about God's judgment on America. He talked about America being arrogant. And he said these words at the time, "The U.S. is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today."

The minute he said that, he fell off the list of the most admired Americans--- in 1967 they disinvited him to the White House----here's a guy who in '64 and '65 helped Lyndon Johnson sign the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Acts---but in '67, just a couple of years later, they disinvited him to the White House. In '68, they shoot him dead.

Part of what being a patriot means is to stand as a truth-teller and say what's got to be said.

[Tavis Smiley on "Real Time with Bill Maher" March 28, 2008]


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Thanks for your commentary, Mr. Smiley.

Many would call me unpatriotic for saying this, but to be honest, I have no problem with anything Jeremiah Wright has said, either in or out of context, because he has spoken the truth. We are a country of puffed up false pride and double standards, of false patriotism that demands nationalism at the expense of our integrity. Our delusional identity is the heresy, not the words of Jeremiah Wright. He simply sends the message.

Democracy calls for all Americans, both black and white (of which I am the latter) to look into the proverbial mirror and face our historical record. The beauty of self-reflection is that it rattles us and provokes us to aim for higher standards. Real pride comes from accepting our mistakes, knowing that we can do better, and then working toward improvement.

Conversely, those who chant the patriotic mantra are cowards. They fear change and they will keep us stuck in the past. They're easily recognized because they always hold the power and have the most to lose.

We need more Jeremiah Wrights. Many more. We need Americans who will stand for the truth, who aren't afraid to face the ugliness of our past as we look to our future.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 04/11/2008

I think the double standards in America are quite extraordinary. Bill Maher made the comparison that we have yet to create an uproar with the intensity as we have done over Rev. Wright, with the Catholic Church which for decades has deliberately hidden and covered for Catholic priests who have sexually abused children for decades, leaving them with unimaginable psychological scars. Yet, as a nation we have not demanded that Catholics walk out of the Church. We have not demanded that Catholics denounce the Pope, the Vatican and their Catholic religion. It is amazing to me that we are able to bypass these extreme cases of abuse against children by keepers of the Catholic faith and yet, are so adamant about branding Obama with words and sentiments that came from his pastor's mouth, not his... go figure...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 04/09/2008

On History Channel, they replayed life of Dr. King. As an Army brat newly arrived back from overseas - saw Dr. King assailed by the same criticisms of Rev. Wright, not only about Civil Rights, but the U.S., and it's role in the Vietnam war. Forty Years later - same story. Can't believe how deep the pain of his passing, affected a 10 yr. old boy - still, who was looking for justification of what being American meant, cause it wasn't the same things that were being taught in school. Sad thing is, most Americans marginalize the significance of his contribution to the Great American saga, either because of youth, or miseducation - prefering instead the holiday, a street named in honor, a memorial where he died, a promotion tool to advance a political/personal cause. Every bit a Patriot as George Washington OR Rev. Wright Or the last soldier killed in a maniacal war, not of their choosing.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 04/06/2008

I ALWAYS CRITICIZE MY FRIENDS....................NOT MY ENEMIES...whom i allow to go to hell., or on their faces.
Good friends of America criticize American policies , because they want America to better itself.
Thank you for reporting that line from MLK criticizing American policies.
So , the same goes for Rev. Wright. and how come RON PAUL is not called Unpatriotic.............?
He was critical of American Gov.Policies foreign and domestic.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 04/06/2008

There's an interesting interview with Michael Pfleger, a Catholic priest from Chicago. He's a long time friend of Jeremiah Wright. Here's the link. Go to: IN CASE YOU MISSED IT section under Web Exclusive!

http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/index.html

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 04/06/2008

Could someone tell me how long Rev. Wright served in the Marines? Where did he serve? What experience did he walk away with based on his service? I am a Viet Nam veteran and I can't wait to ask questions of John McCain about what he really experienced in Viet Nam. I saw military transport trucks with an American flag on one fender and a Confederate flag on the other. So many people forget that the Viet Nam conflict occurred in the middle of the civil rights movement.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 04/06/2008

These thoughts are exactly right.

The criticisms of speakers-out that they are not 'patriotic' are using that as a knee-jerk reaction, a defensive reaction to being criticised themselves. Elected officials who are thus criticised should not even blink; they should not allow themselves to be moved by such 'criticism'; their expressions of the truth, and making laws to reflect and balance that truth, are the only things they should be worried about.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 04/06/2008

One of the virtues of Democracy, is that it is self-correcting.

No nation is always right, nor perfect.

But Democracy gives us the chance to self-examine, and to make corrections when we are wrong.

If citizens are responsible for electing the government, then we are responsible for being its conscience.

So even when we are wrong, there is the hopeful eventuality that we will arrive in the right.

Blindly casting down critics with "my country right or wrong" misses the point that we are responsible for our country being right or wrong.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 04/06/2008

Beautifully put, balance. This has been very much on my mind since reading a new book on progressive patriotism. USA is inherently progressive in that it was created with change in mind, evolution, continued improvement. These guys changed my thoughts on responsibility for this nation: http://www.truepat.org

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 04/11/2008


Tavis-


I don't get why a Douglas quote is Kingian, but agree with the sentiment completely.

I love all the comments demanding praise of our country before they are willing to accept criticism... especially since they refuse to read beyond spoon-fed quotes in the media while insisting they KNOW Wright is evil incarnate.

Ignorance is bliss.
Intentional ignorance, is political bliss.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 04/06/2008

AMEN

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 04/06/2008

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." -- Samuel Johnson, April 7, 1775

Interesting that near the 233rd anniversary of Dr. Johnson's insight, there should be a debate about who is and who is not a patriot.

As a youth, I was of the opinion that patriotism was a good thing and that it consisted in believing in "my country, right or wrong." That prompted me to volunteer for the service and subsequently volunteer to serve in Vietnam. This proved an antidote to patriotic fervor for me and many of my generation, as we saw first hand the madness such sentiments lead to. Unfortunately, it seems to be a lesson not easily passed from one generation to the next.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 04/06/2008

This is taken from article April 3, 08 in the Chicago Tribune by Lawrence Korb, assistant secretary of defense under Ronald Regan, and Ian Moss, both of whom are veterans. It makes importatnt points about patriotism (not verbatim):
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When President John F. Kenedy asked what citizens can do for our country The Rev. Wright gave up his student deferment and left college to volunteer for the US Marines. After his two years of service he volunteered to become a Navy corpsman where he learned to be a cardiopulmonary technician and was assigned to Bethesda Medical Hospital where he was on the team that cared for Lyndon Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For this he was awarded three letters of commendation from the White House.

While Rev. Wright was serving his country for 6 years Dick Cheyney received five deferments from military service. Bill Clinton and George Bush used student deferments and family connections to avoid active military duty.

They ask who here is the real patriot?
The article is here: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,225570.story

To stand up against what you see is injustice here in our country is not unAmerican but rather uniquely American. We must exercise our freedom of speech and hold our government accountable for it's actions. We must expect that it holds up our constitution and Bill of Rights. Otherwise we could watch what is greatest about our country slip through our fingers.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 04/06/2008



BRILLIANT and valuable information!!

Thank you for providing this.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 04/06/2008

Wright is a racist hate monger and if a white person had said what he did he would be ruined. The absurdity of your comment about Wright is demonstrated by how Ferarro had the race card played against her for a comment that pales in comparison to Wright's. If you want a frank discussion of race then a white person should be able to rebuke blacks for their sins. Now it's all a one way street.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 04/06/2008

You're exactly right. When Obama made his big race speech, I was struck first by how much he discussed Rev. Wright. I don't watch the MSM, so I really didn't know much about him, and it seemed extremely odd that Obama was talking about such a specific thing for such an extended time in what was supposed to be such a far-reaching speech on race relations. He used such broad strokes for everything else.

But toward the end, he refused to distance himself from Wright, and he actually tried to draw equivalency between what Wright had said and what Ferraro had said. That was so ridiculously over the top that I couldn't believe he even tried it. And of course, none of the talking heads took him to task over that.

Instead of trying to put to rest a lot of racial tension and controversy, he spent half the speech defending his own racist pastor, and then brings out the hatchet to go after Ferraro.

And of course he got a total pass from the MSM, since he's their golden child.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 04/06/2008

Thanks for the perspective from the Clinton camp.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 04/06/2008


You start out with name calling then you want a two-way debate on race.

You state that ,"If a white person had said it.....", white people have said worse. Wright spoke the truth he did not talk about white people, he spoke out about the government. Some whites took it personal because they think the government = whites. Pity.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/06/2008

You must have missed his the "United States of White America", The US of KKK. The real pity is that if he can call someone a racist, why can't I? Where's the frank discussion of race? That implies to me that things that are said can be honest feelings. Why was the race card played on Ferarro? Why couldn't people just disagree with her views. I believe Wright is a racist. I believe Obama went to thet church for twenty years because he chose that idenity to further his own career. Others are entitle to their own opinions. But HuffPo does not always support a "frank discussion of race". An example is their closing down the story about black churches not seeing MLK's legacy the same way white churches do. This would have be a golden opportunity to have a honest dialogue. Why was it avoided?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 04/06/2008

What total nonsense.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 04/06/2008


Bushies inventing facts is the price of free speech.
Funny how a Bushie would defend Hillary and Ferraro though... or, not.

Their idea of a "frank discussion" is to use Hillary's talking points and spin as the starting point.

I guess locking up every third black man isn't enough of a "rebuke for their sins".

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 04/06/2008

Excellent post. It's obvious that many old-school "patriots" attempt to supposedly "honor" both King and Douglas by editting out the quotations they don't want you to hear.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 04/06/2008

THANK YOU.

Martin Luther King's Vietnam speech: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm

Last April Robert Kennedy Jr here on HuffPo quoted a speech about the Vietnam War that his father gave:

"I do not want--as I believe most Americans do not want--to sell out American interests, to simply withdraw, to raise the white flag of surrender. That would be unacceptable to us as a country and as a people. But I am concerned--as I believe most Americans are concerned--that the course we are following at the present time is deeply wrong. I am concerned--as I believe most Americans are concerned--that we are acting as if no other nations existed, against the judgment and desires of neutrals and our historic allies alike. I am concerned--as I believe most Americans are concerned--that our present course will not bring victory; will not bring peace; will not stop the bloodshed; and will not advance the interests of the United States or the cause of peace in the world. I am concerned that, at the end of it all, there will only be more Americans killed; more of our treasure spilled out; and because of the bitterness and hatred on every side of this war, more hundreds of thousands of [civilians] slaughtered; so they may say, as Tacitus said of Rome: "They made a desert, and called it peace."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/robert-f-kennedy_b_45025.html

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 04/06/2008

It was JFK indecision and wishy-washy approach to Vietnam that got us trapped there in the first place.

If he had simply demonstrated some leadership on the issue, he either could have extended more help and prevented the assassination and coup that forced us to escalate, or he could have abandoned it before any of that happened, which would have made further involvement unnecessary.

I guess I should expect that from Dems though. They have a lot of practice cheering us on during the march to war, then surrendering and abandoning the war once the first shots are fired.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 04/06/2008

Just wanted to add -- HuffPo has taken down the comments to RFK Jr's blog now, but I remember reading page after page of the most warmest, most heartfelt, respectful comments I've ever read in one place. Even 40 years later, people RFK touched never forgot and tried to touch him back.

http://www.democracyfornewmexico.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/06/rfk2.jpg

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 04/06/2008

The Bush-Bin-Laden Saudi Princeton, Harvard elites rule our world. They decided to hit the towers on9-11 and murder people with anthrax that made George Bush out to be a Homosexual. The truth hurts but, poverty hurts millions of our people. The Bush-Bin Laden connnection is in every archive so why do we even debate GWB"s treasons when all the evidence says he murdered all these people to make his own family even richer than they were!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 04/06/2008

Enough said.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 04/05/2008

Thanks so much, Tavis. I always enjoy learning from you.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 04/05/2008

i am not troubled in any way by rev. wright's comments in any of his sermons. i understand that they are from a man who loves god, and in that light it makes it very easy to break those words of his down and put them in the proper context. after reading just about every word about sen barack obama and what has been very self efacing about in his early days, the fact that the reverend was able to pull barack into the church and begin the spiritual journey of a man that not only will in turn share that journey with his own, but he will share it with all those who have faith in his own message.
having said that , i also realize where the mainstream in this country is in regard to such issues, and i both admire and am greatful for the tolerance that we have acquired. i believe also that if we dare to follow the guidance of the speach barack made regarding all of this, we will further transcend and turn the page on the history that has been endured. we are moving towards enlightenment, and we truly are more alike than we are different, but i know that humans are not born with tolerance, so to teach these valuable character traits, we must have leaders that encourage and empower us to dare to go there.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 04/05/2008

Tavis,

That is one of the greatest quotes ever!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 04/05/2008

I feel the same way as this blogger: excellent quotation, Tavis.

It reminds me of Chomsky's statement when militarists employ their mantra of "supporting the troops." It is not an issue of supporting the military, it is rather an issue of supporting policy. Patriotism in this instance then becomes an equation of the health of the nation with those who are currently in power who are touting the line in an attempt to win popular support. In such instances it serves to stifle debate while at the same time aligning the fate of a nation with elements of a power structure through making that person/people the embodiment of the nation. This is the tendency towards fascism, the outcomes of which were all to clear in Germany: Hitler if he was failed by the population, then would take them (his chosen people) and nations around him down at the same time. The scorched-earth policy inherent in his Nero decree of early 1945. Basically pathological narcissism let directly to nihilism in the face of a loss of power to project military power outwards from the centre.

The duty of the patriot is to challenge such elements in the power structure who would take a nation down such a path -- in the given example, like Sophie Scholl and the White Rose movement.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 04/06/2008

Tavis,

I agree, it is not enough to remember King as a dreamer when his whole life was a series of actions.

If what a Reverend says to a congregation is powerful, strident, motivating or controversial, that in itself is not a reason to condemn a man. Like Dr. King before him, portions of our country are scared of Rev. Wright's voice, but do not spend any time mulling his actions or examining the very real positive impact of the ministry on his community. When so many large churches have, to paraphrase Dr. West, "two ATMs before you see a cross" it is sad to see a sanctuary with such a rich legacy and deep roots called a bastion of hate.

Your remarks on Bill Maher were spot on. I believe that Pat Buchanan is a "racial arsonist" in the truest sense of the word. He ought to be called out. If our media spent was run by the standards of journalism, rather than conjecture, and if commentators had to take defensible positions, rather than spew vitriol, it would be a sign of a truly free society: Free of bile, free of bigotry, and free of lies. As it stands, our only recourse is to tell a sponsor what a news organization ought to already know. When hate covers the bills, why use a love language? Because it is the right thing to do, and it pays even greater dividends.

Thank you, as always, for speaking truth to power.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 04/05/2008

If you want to see Tavis at his best on RealTime last week, check out this YouTube clip. Watch the whole 9 minutes. Classic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIYM9JKa9dg

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 04/05/2008

Tavis has a unique ability to appear as if he's saying something deep and important while saying absolutely nothing of substance at all.

Nurture is providing a bubble effect for the natural talents in this case.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 04/05/2008

So, what part of what he said are you having a problem with?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 04/05/2008

Tavis, I have often said this to all who will listen: you are the absolute best interviewer around, always to the point, insightful, genuinely fair and concise in your execution. Thanks for choosing the right career.

Questioning authority provided the very impetus that founded this nation. The lemming-like myopia of those who say "America, Love It Or leave It" continues to hobble meaningful discussion, a prerequisite for practical and tactical action. America is not those who hold the reins. America is an ongoing quest, a vision of what might be and should be. We can endlessly debate what that goal is, but even the most intellectually lethargic should agree that an equitable social structure, scientific progress, a clean environment, secure jobs, a healthy and highly educated populace and the freedom to question authority without reprisal mesh with what we as a people should aspire to achieve.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 04/05/2008
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