The Only Question For General Petraeus That Might Actually End The War

Posted April 7, 2008 | 04:27 PM (EST)



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Several articles have appeared with superb questions for General Petraeus when he appears before the Senate Armed Services and Foreign Relations Committees this week, seeking the next $100B dollop of cash for this debacle. These are geared to getting admissions from Petraeus about what is really happening, or what the honest prospects are in the future, in Iraq.

These are clearly important, and will underscore why we should withdraw our troops from Iraq. General Odom testified eloquently about this during the last week.

That, however, will not end the war.

And ending the war should be the goal of the Democrats -- nothing less is victory.

Republicans in the Senate will filibuster anything that places limitations on Bush/Cheney/Petraeus; and, even if something passed, Bush will veto the legislation and there are not enough votes to override. For any Democrat to vote for withdrawal will open them up to public and political attack, meaning they are less likely to do what it right unfortunately.

Thus, the only legislative strategy for the Democrats is to pursue the 'zero option' -- this has been an option the Democrats have had since January 2007 when this Congress was sworn in, but it is an option that the Democrats have failed to consider -- to our country's great detriment. Unless the Democrats are willing to stop funding the war and to not bring a new funding bill to the table -- the "zero option' and that willingness is credible, there will be increased funding, continued slaughter, and we will be deeper into the quicksand of this disastrous war.

In order to invoke the 'zero option', Democrats need a 'backbone transplant'. They continue to live in fear of the Republican attack machines claiming they were unpatriotic, leaving our troops without ammunition, without body armor, without gasoline for the vehicles, without food, without water, but nonetheless in frontline positions in harms' way.

The question to General Petraeus, therefore, is designed to immunize the Democrats from that fear (the Republicans will lie regardless of what Petraeus says), and, based upon what we believe Petraeus's likely response will be, actually turn the tide against further funding.

Question:

"General Petraeus, you are here seeking an additional appropriation of $100B to support the Iraq and Afghanistan war efforts, most for Iraq. You obviously realize, therefore, that one of the alternatives is for us not to provide that funding. With that in mind, I would like to ask you whether you would order your troops into harms' way if they are not given the resources you request."

Petraeus's likely response (after expressing hope that that does not occur): "That is up to the president".

Follow-up: "General Petraeus, the president says he listens to the recommendations of his commanders on the ground. That's you. So, let me re-phrase the question: What would you recommend to the President under those circumstances?".

Petraeus will not, of course, give a definitive answer. But, his lack of a definitive answer is itself a definitive answer.

Follow-up: "General Petraeus, your troops and their loved ones, and the American people, and this Senate, are shocked that you, as the commander in whom we have all placed our trust for the safety and proper deployment of our young men and women, cannot even tell us that you would not place them in harms' way if we in Congress decided that we would not appropriate the resources to keep them there. That, General, is shocking."

Whether or not this is the precise direction this exchange takes, the key point is to surface the issue about the impact of halting funding on the safety of our troops. It has never been asked; and, it has been answered by implied threats from the administration -- a Commander-in-Chief who checked the "no" box on whether he would volunteer for overseas duty after Daddy enabled him to jump the queue to get him into the reserves -- that they would play chicken with our soldiers.

No matter which way the administration finally answers this question, they lose. If they say they would expose the troops to the increased risks when their resources are not renewed, the entire country would revolt. If they admit they would not do that, the Democrats' backbone transplant will 'take', and they can proceed to wind down this war.

It also changes the core conversation to a point that the media has to cover; instead of forcing the Democrats to talk about why withdrawal, it forces the Republicans to talk about why they want the war. The longer they have to defend the slaughter, the deaths and the mistake, the more credible the zero option becomes.

Let us not be less diligent because we can foresee greater majorities and/or a new President in 2009.

For our troops, that is a long time away, far, far far too long.

 

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Pity the poor Republican who wants to end the war. I voted for a Democrat (Sestak, PA 7) in November 2006 on his promise that he would work to get us out of Iraq by the end of 2007. His first move was to vote for Bush's funding request for the war. At the end of 2007 he voted once again to help fund Bush's war. Now there is a froth-at-the mouth flag-waving war-hungry Republican gearing up to run against him. Who should I vote for? Hint: Initials are R.P. I'm finished with both the neoconned Republicans and those weak-kneed Republican wannabes, called "Democrats".

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 04/08/2008

As Mark Twain said, "For every complex problem, there is a simple answer. That answer is wrong."

We can not defund this war and engineer the defunding by a couple clever questions designed to embarass a military leader who is constitutionally prohibited from questioning his leaders while in uniform.

Those delusional souls who enjoy passing endless laws designed to fight drugs, corporate malfeasance, political shenanigans, or sexual activity of any type imagine they can craft words that are so sound that their incantation will solve all problems.

Stopping this war will require a more careful exodus than that engineered by Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger. Kissinger used what he called a decent interval to fold up like a cheap tent, leaving behind our allies and materiel. That's politics.

The anti-war side of this equation should be more nuanced than thinking magic questions can bring peace. Such questions are no substitute for planning and cooperation between political and military leaders.

Don't forget that Petraeus is simply following the commands of the worst President and vice-Presidential team the world has ever seen. The next administration will have to devote itself to planning ways our Iraqi friends are not sacrificed to satisfy the short-term political desires of any side of the political spectrum.

I think Obama has the genius to take on this task, and he'll work with the military to extract them as painlessly as possible from the Iraq we've created with our famously inept politics and policies.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 04/08/2008

I forwarded this post to Congressman Wexler, who has asked his mailing list to suggest questions we'd like him to ask.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 04/08/2008

Yes, the Democrats need a spine transplant. They also need to stop using these hearings for grandstanding speechifying that means nothing in the end. Rather they should ask some tough questions, insist on answers from both the leaders of the military and the political efforts in Iraq and then vote in ways that connect consequences to the answers they receive. This argument that the Democrats need to capture the presidency to have an impact on the policy in Iraq cannot be allowed to fly for a single additional day. Not when every extra day in Iraq brings new deaths and injuries on both sides and means countless millions more down the drain. When you write the checks, you are responsible for the uses to which that money is put. There is nothing complicated about this basic reality.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 04/08/2008

It's an intriguing question and I like the selected scenario that plays out. However, Petraeus would be right in stating that the President determines when to put people in harm's way and that the President would also be responsible for determining how he would continue his Iraqi strategy if Congress cut off funding. Petraeus could also say that if the President through up has hands at that point and said the war is over, then I would have a plan ready in 5 minutes to protect our troops and resources as we exit.
The Republican response would be to put the Democratic Congress on the spot by asking them why in such an important policy area, they would do something by the backdoor that they couldn"t do through the front.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 04/08/2008

Great, great post. It is the question that SOMEONE, ANYONE in the Senate committee room should ask.

We all know that George W. Bush misled the nation into war under false pretenses against the wrong country, -- costing 4,000 soldiers their lives, not mention tens of thousands of wounded soldiers, to say nothing of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi casualties, and inflicting colossal long-term damage to our economic and national security interests. We all know the Republicans will use their power of filibuster.

However, that doesn't excuse the Democratic majority for their, quite frankly, cowardly performance in the majority. They never once even tried to "defund" the war or stand up to Bush in some real or meaningful way. While the Republicans have the power of filibuster, so do the Democrats. That we couldn't find 41 Senate Democrats with the courage to filibuster ANY and ALL blank checks for Bush on Iraq. I don't expect better from Republicans and conservatives. I did expect better from Democrats.

The party of FDR, who said, "we have nothing to fear but fear itself" has not lived up to it's moral responsibility to stand up to Bush to end this war and at the VERY LEAST deny him a blank check.

Joe Lieberman holds the Senate Democrats hostage. If he decides to caucus with the Republicans, the Democrats lose the perks of the majority, and they are afraid if the Dems really tried to end the war, Lieberman would cross the aisle.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 04/08/2008

While I agree with your comment, I feel the need to point out that your final argument is incorrect. The appointments for this term have already been made. If Lieberman abandoned the Democratic Party symbolically - as he's already done in practice - they would still retain the majority status. All of the committee chairs and technical functions would remain in their favour. Given that 2008 is projected to be another very good electoral year the loss of Lieberman won't matter.

Far more Republicans are up for re-election and many of them are vulnerable. Thus the DSC can spend an overwhelming share of it's budget attacking instead of defending. Assume a 4-5 seat swing favouring the Democrats, including Lieberman's forced exit from their caucus (-1). Add a Democratic VP as President of the Senate and it becomes clear that Lieberman doesn't hold sway with Democrats anymore - which was not the case a year ago.

What the Democrats fear is being tarred for another generation as the party that can't be trusted to execute a war. They still get falsely accused of cutting funding for Vietnam. Nixon's "Victory with Honour," meant losing without admitting it. The Democrats have paid the price for that bait-and-switch for 34 years now. That they are cautious with this debacle is both appropriate and politically prudent. They didn't start this war - the popular will of the American people did. Deceived or otherwise, the American people are as responsible as their democratically elected administration.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 04/08/2008

Thanks for the correction. I have one too. Nixon stated "Peace With Honor". Which means, as you stated, "losing without having to admit it."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 04/08/2008

Why can't Congress just demand an accounting of how the money is going to be spent before it's doled out yet again? The nearly 3 trillion can't even be accounted for...a fraction of that can't even be accounted for or justified. And they want more?!! It's a horror show.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 04/08/2008

True and accurate accounting brings useful information. That is why Bush and the neo-CONS will never allow try and accurate accounting of the costs of this war based on lies to the American people.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 04/08/2008

Fear of being called unpatriotic really does pin down the major flaw of the Democratic Party. Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid have been hesitant, at best, insofar as confronting this is concerned, and, in my opinion, derelict in their duties.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 04/08/2008

I like this idea. Congress should do it!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 04/08/2008

Has anyone here heard of possibility thinking? Gentlemen, Messrs. Boyce and Abrams, I do salute you. Can we not, by our own audacity, provide the necessary "stimulus" for our legislators to do the same?
I dare to hope this is possible.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 04/07/2008

Send on to your Senator!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 04/08/2008

I believe it is an error to believe that the Democrats are against the war. If that were true, they would already have acted to stop the funding. The idea that the troops are going to be left in the field without food or ammunition is a preposterous piece of propaganda. Stopping the funding would result in withdrawal as there are no other options available at that point.

The biggest problem lies in the fact the issue is still being framed as a "war". This is not a war, this is a military occupation. As long as both the Republicans and the Democrats speak of it in these terms, the public is being misled. As long as they are both acting to mislead the citizens, there is NO hope of them ever acting to stop it as they are both complicit in the same deception.

The goal of the administration remains expanding the conflict to Iran and neither party in Congress appears the least bit concerned about this prospect. Then we will have a REAL war on our hands. The worst is yet to come; we haven't even reached the "end of the beginning" as Churchill called it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 04/07/2008

It is an occupation. Watch a film called, "The Battle of Algiers", and you can get an idea of how effective we will be...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 04/08/2008

Thank you. If you look at my bio and see the number of times I've commented on blogs asking everyone to stop calling this mess a "war," you'd find it as the core of every political comment.

You are absolutely correct, EspritDeVoltaire. The way to end the war is to say, "There is no war. No war has ever been declared. We are occupiers. We were never legally authorized to be liberators, educators, voting officials supplying purple ink for fingers, revolutionaries, democratic consultants. The only LEGAL authorization was to find WMDs. Period. The "war" rhetoric is employed to confuse, conflate, condescend, and spin. The "war"-lions and tigers and bears, oh my! - chatter is meant to infuse some WWII patriotism and rev up the military machine. It's so obvious yet Democrats seem too timid to start the conversation by using the most powerful force they own, the power that costs nothing yet requires transparency: PRECISE LANGUAGE."

Let's all realize the paradigm shift if we declare in every conversation THERE IS NO WAR. There's a military conflict in Iraq that needs to end. NOW!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 04/08/2008

I read your bio daisy. I confirmed that you are uninformed like the rest of the liberal nutjobs.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 04/08/2008

Saying "there is no war" doesn't make it so. There is a war going on, you and others that think like you are so out of touch with reality it's laughable. The dem candidates are taking you for another ride, like in 2006. Snag your vote due to a 'end the war" stance, then not do it. There is a sucker born every minute. Wake up fools.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 04/08/2008

Clearly, you've missed the point.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 04/08/2008

I agree with you. Language is important, especially in this case. Concrete steps must be taken to truthfully define the nature and roots of this conflict, , and hopefully put an end to it.

However, what should we do?
Leaving the abysmal mess we've made for Iraquis to clean up is beyond horrendous.
They did not ask for our help.
They did not ask for our occupation.
The didn't ask for the civil war which sprang from it.
A civil war, that many have used as an excuse to shift blame and responsibility from ourselves and our leaders to the victims of the conflict..
What can we realistically, responsibly, effectively, and justly do?
Every action of our government, from disbanding the military, to de-Baathification, to torture, to the arming of extremist factions has served to feed a cycle of sorrow, loss, reprisal, revenge, desperation, destruction, and damnation that would take most societies generations to come to grips with, much less move beyond and heal in any meaningful way; yet we seem to hold this ridiculous idea of Iraquis pulling themselves up by they own bloodied boot-straps, forgetting their dead, and "reconciling."
One hundred forty years after our own Civil war, the flags of racism and rebellion still fly over state houses, and we haven't "moved beyond" the roots and results of the conflict in many meaningful ways.
What can we expect of Iraquis when ther are still living with their wounds.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 04/08/2008

There are two considerations here. A legal one and a moral one.

The United States is occupying a country illegally. Congress did not approve a military occupation. There's no legal decree to "bring democracy to Iraq," "liberate Iraq" or assume "most people of the world want freedom and a democracy." Really? Based on what research? There's no statistical data on "most people wanting a democracy." So, from a legal point of view, this invasion and occupation of Iraq is an illegal house of cards. The moment WMDs were not found, the legal imperative was null and void.

Biggest dilemma: our morality. Start by issuing apologies (as states are doing now for slavery). Encourage brainstorming by citizens and officials in Iraq and U.S. to ask dire questions. Put American problem-solving to work. Why isn't there a Committee appointed to see how much each Iraqi citizen needs when it comes to money to start anew, health care, psychological counseling, education, basic services? Contract it out.

End military presence. Create peacekeeping force, like force in Tokyo after WWII. Send in the Red Cross and UN peacekeeping forces. Bring historians, educators, health professionals, etc. to the table to forge a "new normal" for a war-torn country and start the process of a "moral option."

The 9-11 Commission did NOT conclude there was a failure of intelligence rather a failure of IMAGINATION. So, we must anticipate the moral consequences with fresh imagination and end the illegal occupation.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 04/08/2008

With democracy comes freedom. Free to dress, worship,speak without being beat down and oppressed. You think the people of Iraq don't want this? What a clueless clown.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 04/08/2008

How curious. Which amendment to the Constitution allows for "freedom to dress" in a democracy? Project Runway wants to know.

And when you mention, "speak without being beat down and oppressed," you mean like Reverend Wright was able to express his views without being figuratively beat down and oppressed in our functioning democracy?

Please listen up. As far as your bullying comments are concerned, I toss them back to you for they are yours. I do not accept them. They really speak volumes about you, not me.

Your disregard for logic and critical thinking as denounced by your flippant comments and condescending remarks is what allows most who support the military invasion ~ there is no war by the very definition of "war" unless of course we're the liberators and we're fighting people who don't want to be free? ~ to drink the Kool Aid that Bushco is serving.

As an American I acknowledge your First Amendment right to your comments. I choose, however, to wish they had substance on which a conversation could be built.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 04/08/2008

I completely agree with you. This would be an excellent beginning. Now, if we can only get people to see beyond the short term profits of funding war, and get them working towards funding peace.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 04/08/2008

Great advice for the Democrats.

It is however, based on the assumption that Democrats actually want to respect the will of the American people, as opposed to doing the bidding of corporate America.
I wish I believed that were true.

Still a great line of questioning that should be used tomorrow.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 04/07/2008

Petraeus: Isn't the Iraq Invasion and Occupation a War Crime?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 04/07/2008

They don't care.
But, it would interesting for him to have to answer!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 04/08/2008

Brilliant but not do-able. If this question is asked, it will be a signal to Republicans to scream in outrage and storm out of the chamber. Possibly they even may faint, fight, flail, claim heart attacks or in some other way disrupt the hearing. That will be what will be on the news, not the answer to the question. Besides, I'm sure King DP will be ready with a Republican come back such as 'Any effort to defund the war will result in millions of dead here in America due to an invasion of 'terrerists' from Iraq.' The Republicans have(if you hadn't noticed) begun to rely more and more on out right lying. Snow is doing it, McCain is doing it, Bush is doing it. So don't be too dissappointed if your question does not get asked. To grow a spine, a Democrat must have had one to begin with. The Dems in congress were expressly chosen because they were born without one. Cheers!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 04/07/2008

You have suggested one of the better options for the Democrats. Therefore, it won't be the one they use. Unfortunately, too many of the Democrats would rather avoid a fight over Iraq than risk the certain subsequent attacks by the right wing. This being an election year, makes that even more the case.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 04/07/2008
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