Gore Shows New Evidence That Climate Change May Be Worse Than Predicted

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Al Gore's brand-new slideshow on climate change went live early Tuesday morning over at Ted.com. In his new presentation, Gore presents evidence that the pace of climate change may be even worse than scientists were recently predicting. Gore laments the "sclerosis in our democracy," and says "in order to solve the climate crisis, we have to solve the Democracy crisis." Gore also said that while all three remaining presidential candidates have an approach to climate change that is different from the current administration, he said that global warming has been largely absent from the 2008 campaign. When asked what his role might be going forward, Gore responded, "I have prayed that I would be able to find the answer to the question 'what can I do?'" Gore's presentation is followed by a brief Q&A in which he is asked for his verdict on the current political candidates' climate policies.

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- kingcityguru See Profile I'm a Fan of kingcityguru


I have never seen a story slide down HuffPo as quick as this one. Someone in London must have read the article and then looked outside and saw the 5 inches of snow in April after one of the coldest WORLDWIDE winters in over 25 years and said "Jumped the Shark!!!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 04/09/2008
- SupremeIdiot See Profile I'm a Fan of SupremeIdiot

One year does not a trend make. Come back in 10 years and tell me again. moron.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 04/09/2008
- blindjester See Profile I'm a Fan of blindjester

Are you one of those people who thinks global warming means it's supposed to get warmer everywhere all of the time?

It's overall temperature, averaged over the entire surface of the earth. Some places may get wetter; many will get dryer. Some places may get colder; others will definitely get warmer. And anyplace can have extreme weather at any time. There will still be seasons, and you may not notice any difference at all where you are.

Snow in London won't save the ice caps, though, or prevent droughts in a hundred places.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 04/09/2008
- WilliePilgrim See Profile I'm a Fan of WilliePilgrim

The cascading effect of opinion which is still, in my opinion, far outpacing the actual science has reaced a stage where, if tomorrow a meteor struck the earth unleashing catastrophe followed by unprecedented eruptions of flood basalts across the globe, our well intentioned former Vice President would point to it and say "see, all the more reason to believe that global warming is the result of CO2 emissions which need to be addressed with an international cap and trade system for carbon off-sets."
He may insist that those of us who don't interpret the IPCC's accepted climate model (a well understood but ultimately non-predictive tool) the same way the IPCC does as not thinking the sun is the center of the solar system, but in fact we do, we just happen to not believe that the planets follow circular and predictable paths, as he and the IPCC would have us think we must. Instead we would prefer that enlightened scientists consider the fact that the paths of the planets are following eliptical paths subject to the perturbations and a degree of uncertainty that invalidates the circular model as a predictive tool. Complex, I know, but that's why it's so like the reality of climate change and so unlike the model that the IPCC would want us to believe for simplicity's sake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 04/09/2008
- blindjester See Profile I'm a Fan of blindjester

Scientists have known since Kepler in the 16th Century that planetary orbits were elliptical, and for most of that time have known that orbits are constantly perturbed slightly by other objects. That is a 400-year-old non-secret.


The IPCC would never, ever suggest you consider orbits circular. Nobody thinks that. Knocking down that straw man may convince a few scientifically illiterate people, but isn't a useful contribution to the discussion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 04/09/2008
- Montanamotor See Profile I'm a Fan of Montanamotor

Thank you for your clear, reasonable and, intelligent contribution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 04/09/2008
- kdogz13 See Profile I'm a Fan of kdogz13

So what's Gore going to do when this whole man-made global warming turns out to be a bunch of baloney?

"Uh... whoops... sorry about that guys... my bad..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 AM on 04/09/2008
- totalliberal See Profile I'm a Fan of totalliberal

Co2 build up in our atmosphere is causing global warming. Global warming will destroy our economy. We should stop burning carbon fuels as soon as possible.
Any questions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 04/09/2008
- bossmechanic See Profile I'm a Fan of bossmechanic

Yes, I have a question.
How, after reading the discussion in this blog, can you be so oblivious to critique of your first point, so naively gullible on your second point, and absolutely correct on your third point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 AM on 04/09/2008
- Tergenev See Profile I'm a Fan of Tergenev

Quite simple. The discussion on this blog are composed almost entirely of hooie, as your post, and most of the others around here prove. (I've always wondered where all of the Neanderthals hang out on the Interweb tubes. Now I know.)

I would just like to add . . . CO2 build-up in our atmosphere is causing global warming. Global warming will eventually destroy our economy (and the environment of the world in which my child will live.) We should stop burning carbon fuels as soon as possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 04/09/2008
- bossmechanic See Profile I'm a Fan of bossmechanic

Why is it that people avoid doing the simple FREE things to conserve like recycle cans, don't litter, use their own shopping bag instead of paper or plastic, inflate their tires.....
But instead happily support arcane and complicated schemes like carbon credits? In the first case, we are talking straight cause-and-effect relationships that we in the redneck south call common sense. In the second case, professional degrees are cited, statistics are tortured into arguments, and normally intellegent individuals surrender their free choice and their paychecks to any pseudo experts with access to a video camera. Seems like everyone wants to solve the equations of life instead of just keeping it simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 04/09/2008
- shockmagog See Profile I'm a Fan of shockmagog

Yes, that make perfect sense. Carbon credits seem like cheating to me. All the same, I'm not for throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I am for whatever works, and if carbon credits work to get more people and businesses involved in getting together to help save our future, and if it works for the time being, so what. I am all for the holistic approach--trying to slow down Global Warming is not so simple, and yet I think it can be done if everyone participates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 04/09/2008
- Tergenev See Profile I'm a Fan of Tergenev

Because not all problems, particularly those on a global scale, can be solved SOLELY with individual action. Some of them require system modifications. And the one huge error in our current economic system is that, as it is set today, the price of energy does not include the huge costs it is incurring thanks to the environmental damage it causes. Carbon credits are one response that introduces those costs into the system, thus bringing the price of energy into line with its cost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 04/09/2008
- SonofLiberty1 See Profile I'm a Fan of SonofLiberty1

They say that a picture is worth a thousand words, well glance at the photo in the link below from the Philadelphia Inquirer Story "Let there be less Light"

http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/10710467.html

Pretty, isn't it? Well, it may be pretty but at least 30% of it is truly wasted. Yes, we are spending money every night to light the undersides of Birds, Clouds and Airplanes.

And here in The United States it costs us $ 10.4 Billion per year!
BTW, the real cost of using so much electricity to light the heavens actually is higher still for to
generate that light we produce 38 Million Tons of CO2 every year.

Now, this is not some tomfoolery, it's not baloney or anything else.

Want to check this out?

Good, go out on any clear night and see how many stars you can count from your suburban location.
On a subsequent cloudy night, go out and see just how light it is?

Want to be truly green?

Kill the light pollution!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 04/08/2008
- shockmagog See Profile I'm a Fan of shockmagog

I so totally agree. I've been harping on light pollution for decades. Out here in the west--in the middle of nowhere--our Interstates STILL have freeway sign lights that point upward to the sky. Changing that alone could help bring back the night sky in rural areas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 04/08/2008
- bossmechanic See Profile I'm a Fan of bossmechanic

So what's your point? Are you really suggesting we should have no street lights and drive with no headlights? Should the goverment or UN mandate a lights-out curfew at dusk in order to save the world?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 04/08/2008
- SonofLiberty1 See Profile I'm a Fan of SonofLiberty1

bossmechanic,

Why do we need light at night?

To SEE WHERE WE NEED TO GO>>>>

And that's always...where's my car or where's the street I'm looking for or where's a building?

So we have no need at all to Light THE UNDERSIDES OF CLOUDS,BIRDS & JET AIRCRAFT?

Do we???

So what can we do?

Use light fixtures that point the light DOWN to the ground where we need it and not up into your eyes (glare) or into the skies...

Here is a good link that shows both BAD and GOOD LIGHT FIXTURES:

http://www.selene-ny.org/downloads/lightfixtures.pdf

Bossmechanic,

I assume that you don't like to pay taxes like everyone else right?

This is wasted TAX DOLLARS yours and mine...

Now do you get my point?:)

Have pleasant dreams....and make sure you are sleeping in a DARK ROOM because excess light at night causes Cancer...and I am NOT KIDDING!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 04/09/2008
- shockmagog See Profile I'm a Fan of shockmagog

We can achieve a balance. You don't have to get all nutty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 04/08/2008
- Gasparilla See Profile I'm a Fan of Gasparilla

This is a group that Senator James Inhofe trots out as global warming deniers who happen to be environmentalists. They are really Canadian energy lobbyists.
http://www.desmogblog.com/discredited-friends-of-science-emerge-as-the-natural-resources-stewardship-project

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 04/08/2008
- LibsRway2funny See Profile I'm a Fan of LibsRway2funny

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 04/08/2008
- Photofarm See Profile I'm a Fan of Photofarm

That sums up the man causing global warming crowd. They keep telling the same big lie over an over and over again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 04/08/2008
- certainot See Profile I'm a Fan of certainot

jeez, guit the prof. limbaugh science show already!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 04/09/2008
- SupremeIdiot See Profile I'm a Fan of SupremeIdiot

And you deniers are doing an awful job. Your Mom and Joseph would be ashamed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 04/08/2008
- Gasparilla See Profile I'm a Fan of Gasparilla

Here is a group supported by big business that offered 10000 dollars to global warming skeptics.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/03/aei-letter/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 04/08/2008
- JohnJames See Profile I'm a Fan of JohnJames

I believe that global warming is a serious and growing threat but it's surprising that this presentation has Illinois and Wisconsin lying to the west of the Mississippi when comparing the disapperance of the polar ice cap to an equivalent area in the US. It's a little troubling that no one involved failed to recognize a mistake that would have drawn derision from my 5th grade teacher and made all her Midwestern pupils guffaw.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 04/08/2008
- Gasparilla See Profile I'm a Fan of Gasparilla

Conservatives have been trying to say human induced global warming is disproved because of "warming" on Mars. This link disputes that.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=192

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 04/08/2008
- ScottPalmer See Profile I'm a Fan of ScottPalmer

Speaking of links, I saw a link earlier to the old propaganda piece called The Great Global Warming Swindle. Here is the link to debunk it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 04/08/2008
- LibsRway2funny See Profile I'm a Fan of LibsRway2funny

This link disputes e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g Algore, the AGW Alarmist, the IPCC and YOU have to say about "man-made" global warming.

feel free to browse around.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/Popular_Technology/index.php?showtopic=2050

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 04/08/2008
- shockmagog See Profile I'm a Fan of shockmagog

"LibsRway2funny"...an ad hoc moniker if there ever was one.

Not even McClown is as dumb as you are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 04/08/2008
- SupremeIdiot See Profile I'm a Fan of SupremeIdiot

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A BLOG collecting all the lies and distortions perpetuated by Exxon/Mobil and their stable of pet scientists.

It even starts out with a quote from a scientist on Exxon/Mobil's payroll-Richard Lindzen.

wow. great link.....heh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 04/08/2008
- speakeasy See Profile I'm a Fan of speakeasy

If some of you trolls think Gore is doing this just for the money, sell off your Exxon stock and invest in carbon credits. I don't know if carbon credits is the answer, but at least Gore is trying something instead of outright denial. He threw out an option that would attract investers and money, which in todays marketplace is the only way to get something started on a grand scale. Just depending on everyone to do the right thing is a slow process and there have only been minimal gains from starting at the grass roots level. So a top down model is being offered.

I love the selfishness and ignorance of the few here who say its been colder in my neck of the woods this year so Warming must be fake. It's been warmer in mine, so we're a wash according to your logic.

9 out of 10 scientists agree with the theory and are trying to disprove it themselves, thats what they do, but the evidence is overwhelming.

What can we do? How about we say something along the likes of "If you gave up ____, and you could still live life the way you see fit, would you do it?" For example, The _____ might be cars. Say we gave up all of these different makes and models and only sold a generic, high MPG car and then we could still eat what we want, fly when we want, vacation, whatever... would you do it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 04/08/2008
- LibsRway2funny See Profile I'm a Fan of LibsRway2funny

NO.

"To defeat relativity one did not need the word of 100 scientists, just one fact."
- Albert Einstein, 1931

Temperatures:
- Global surface temperatures have increased only about 0.6°C in the last 100 years. (IPCC)
- Global temperature has averaged only 57°F in the last 100 years. (NOAA)
- The warmest year in the United States was 1934. (NASA)

Sea Level Rise:
- Global mean sea level has risen only about 6 inches in the last 100 years. (Based on tidal gauge data) (IPCC)
- No significant acceleration in the rate of sea level rise during the 20th century has been detected. (IPCC)
- 20 feet of sea level rise would take 3048-6096 years. (Based on tidal gauge data) (IPCC)

Carbon Dioxide:
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2) levels in the atmosphere have risen by about 30% (280-370 ppmv) over the past 100 years. (IPCC)
- Ice core records show Carbon Dioxide (CO2) levels lag behind Temperature changes by 600-1000 years.
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2) did not end the last Ice Age.
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is only about 0.038% of the atmosphere. (NASA)
- Humans can only claim responsibility for about 3.4% of carbon dioxide emitted to the atmosphere annually.
- Water Vapor + Clouds account for about 90-95% of the greenhouse effect. (NASA)
- U.S. Carbon Emissions Fell 1.3% in 2006

"Consensus":
- Anthropogenic ("Man-Made") Global Warming is an unproven Theory (hypothesis).
- There is no 'Consensus' that Global Warming is"Man-Made".
- Science is not determined by 'Consensus' but

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 04/08/2008
- SupremeIdiot See Profile I'm a Fan of SupremeIdiot

Carbon Dioxide facts.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061104084951.htm

The lag of 800 years explained by climatologists

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/co2-in-ice-cores/

AN explanation of the significance of atmospheric CO2

http://www.gcrio.org/ipcc/qa/05.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 04/08/2008