Much Much Less than Meets the Eye in Obama's Victories

Posted April 8, 2008 | 01:43 AM (EST)



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Wyoming's Democratic Governor Dave Freudenthal is the latest little known politico to endorse Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama. But like most of Obama's caucus and primary victories, Freudenthal's endorsement is worthless in a fall showdown with John McCain. Harry Truman was the last Democrat to win the presidential vote in Wyoming -- in 1948. Republicans hold a crushing voter edge over Democrats in the state. Freudenthal's endorsement and the tout of it point to yet more mythmaking about the Obama surge. The myth is that his caucus and primary wins in states such as Wyoming and the handful of endorsements he's gotten from the Democratic governors and senators in those states will spell a breakthrough for the Democrats in the red states in the head to head match with McCain.

An Obama win in the May 6 Indiana and North Carolina primaries will likely further inflate this wishful thinking. Indiana and North Carolina, as Wyoming, are two of the reddest states. The last Democrat to win Indiana was Lyndon Johnson in 1964. The last Democrat to win North Carolina was Jimmy Carter in 1976. The vote demographics in Indiana and North Carolina are not much different than the demographics in the other top heavy GOP states that Obama beat Clinton in. A cursory glance at them shows that.

Obama swept to primary or caucus wins in Idaho, North Dakota, Kansas, Alabama, Mississippi, Nebraska, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Virginia and Nebraska. Bush won these states handily in 2000 and 2004. But that's only the start of the problem. Republicans outnumber Democrats in Idaho and Utah by a crushing margin of a three to one, and in other states by margins of two to one and half. If Obama wins the Kentucky primary May 22 his backers will wave this as a big red state victory. It won't be. Republicans outnumber Democrats by a lop sided 400,000 vote margin in the state.

The red states that Obama won in the Democratic primaries have been the guaranteed pathway for Republican presidents Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. to win and stay in the White House. Their 170 to 200 electoral votes are in the GOP's coffers before the first vote is cast on Election Day. The states are so bankable and reliable for the GOP that it's the rarest of rare sighting to see a GOP presidential candidate even bother to traipse through the states in the stretch run of the campaign.

Clinton's strategy to win the Democratic nomination and the presidency is the exact opposite of Obama's. She recognized that the small Western and Southern states he won are not in play for the Democrats; so why squander time, energy and limited resources in a pointless chase of votes there. Better to spend the time and resources trying to wrest Ohio, Florida, and now even Texas with its surging numbers of Latino voters, solidly pro Clinton, from the GOP. Meanwhile there's Pennsylvania. It's a big, swing state that can make a difference.

A huge percent of Pennsylvania voters are blue collar, anti-big government, socially conservative, pro defense, and intently patriotic, and there's a tormenting history of a racial polarization in the state. Take Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, heavily black and Latino, out of the vote equation, and Pennsylvania would be rock solid red state Republican. Clinton's likely win there means far more than Obama's side show wins in the red states.

Pennsylvania's electoral votes and those of the other swing states can make the difference if the race is on the line. Florida and Ohio cinched Bush's two election victories in 2000 and 2004.
Democrats are also ecstatic at the near record turnout by Democrats in some of the red states that Obama won compared to the relatively lower turnout in the Republican primaries in those states. This also means little. Far fewer Republicans turned out in the Republican primaries in the presidential election battles of Bush Sr. in 1988 and Reagan in 1980, and Bush Jr. in 2000. All three were still elected.

Obama's wins in the rock solid red states have revved up his backers, swayed some fence sitting super delegates to jump aboard his bandwagon (it worked with Georgia Congressman John Lewis) and most importantly wildly boosted expectations that he can do what Democratic presidential contenders Al Gore and John Kerry couldn't do in 2000 and 2004 and that's win in the red states.

The hard numbers and the strong GOP tradition in these states tell otherwise. But wins by Clinton in the big states that are solidly Democratic and the must win swing states that are in play and that she won in the Democratic primaries will yield the needed electoral votes to insure that the race with McCain is competitive for the Democrats. If history and voter demographics are any gauge, these are the votes the Democrats can win, not the ones Obama has won in states such as Wyoming.

Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His new book is The Ethnic Presidency: How Race Decides the Race to the White House (Middle Passage Press, February 2008).


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Notice that:

1. He didn't mention that the votes cast for Obama alone in the SC primary, outnumbered the votes cast for McCain, Huckabee, Thompson and Romney. (SC is in play)

2. He didn't mention MS, IA, MO, VA and CO, red states where Obama won and is polling ahead of McCain.

3. He didn't mention the clear 15-25 point advantages Clinton started with in CA, NJ, OH, TX, and PA 30 days before those contests.

4. He certainly didn't mention how those races tightened up as people got to know Senator Obama.

5. He also didn't mention how Senator Clinton won TX by 101,000 votes and received approx. 150, 000 GOP votes (the Limbaugh effect??)

Obama will win OH, PA, VA, MO, IA, NM, SC, CO and possibly GA and MS. I see anywhere from a 300 to 350 point electoral college total and the death of the southern strategy. The right track - wrong track voter can't side with a guy that promises more of the same!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 04/09/2008

"1. He didn't mention that the votes cast for Obama alone in the SC primary, outnumbered the votes cast for McCain, Huckabee, Thompson and Romney. (SC is in play)"

Yes , but only a small percentage of people vote in the primaries, so that conclusion is not soundly based.

Anybody out there got a percentage on who votes primaries vs the general?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 04/09/2008

The percentages don't match, because NORMALLY there are far fewer voters in the Primary than in the General. This year, however, there are numbers of primary voters equal to a standard year general election voters.....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 04/10/2008

Hilary played by the rules and lost. The rules are you contest in every state with primaries. After all is said and done, you count the votes and whoever wins wins. now hillary decided to run a general election strategy in a primary selection process. that shows how naive she is. Those big states are solidly democratic anyways, so it doesn't matter. Obama will still get them in the fall. The question is with the swing states and other states that can be put in play. Obama has put more states and delegates in play based on his and the DNC's 50 state strategy. We can't keep conceeded middle America to the Repugs and wonder why we can't create a working majority. that's the bush and Clinton strategy. Obama's strategy is more of the republican strategy.

I guess you'll be joining juan williams to shill against Obama over the next 8 years, while he's POTUS. With friends like you, who needs enemies....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 04/09/2008

I just want to know if I can mark "Present" at the voting booth when it's time to vote for a President of the United States. That way, I won't be accused of voting incorrectly, and I can point the finger at those who did vote for whomever they did.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/09/2008

I wonder if I can not show up at all... While I globe-trot and pretend to be a voter.

I wonder if I can put a "Of Course I Support The Troops... I was a POW"-bumper sticker on my car! But refuse to support the Bi-partisan 2008 GI Bill legislation being fillibustered by the GOP senate caucus.

I was just wondering

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 04/09/2008

This is a very weak argument. This election, like every election, is about turn-out and enthusiasm.

Barack is the candidate who has FINALLY started to change past trends, and you write these intellectually dishonest and bitterly partisan screeds to knock him down. He has earned more votes individually than the entire republican field combined in the red states he has won. He is out-raising the entire republican party and has a razor-sharp field organization.

This is what people with common sense and an objective view of the world would call a game-changing trend, a shifting of the electoral map. It's happened before and not that long ago. Check out Google or read a book on Reagan.

Why do you write these hit pieces on the man who will be the democratic nominee? Not only that, but by all objective standards, Barack is an accomplished and compassionate leader who has served the most vulnerable citizens in American for more than 20 years. What do you have against that? Are you jealous? Envious? Confused?

I guess you don't believe in karma, because once this election is over, all you Svengali Pundits who endeavored to keep us all enslaved to the status quo are going to have a hard time finding work.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 04/09/2008

you need to know more about history and the way the race for Presidency works between two parties.

Obama is nothing more then a player. Sorry. But, he won't last in the Generals. NO matter how much money he spends.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 04/09/2008

Funny the people that agree with you, also thought:

1. Hillary would have the nomination wrapped up by Super Tuesday.

2. There are WMDs in Iraq ("East, West, North and South of Tikrit")

3. George W. Bush is the next coming of Ronald Reagan.

4. A McCain presidency would be different from the Bush presidency.

Good luck with that! I hope it works out for you!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 04/09/2008

You clearly don't live in the same reality as I do, so I won't bother refuting this rather unclear attempt at commenting on my post.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 04/09/2008

cmon earl.. you are better than this.. so your lady is down in the count.. why are you and so many others whining about the rules.. they are what they are.. so its time to face the facts.. its just a matter of time before hilary is eliminated from the race.. ..colorado looks ripe for the taking,,, new hampshire -ohio can all turn blue this time around with obama at the helm.. having a popular dem gov in the state you need to turn over a state can make a huge difference and i would not rule out a few other red states turning blue.. check out survey usa's last electoral polling and you will see the potential there.

the primary and general are two different elections and you know it. once the women and blue collar dems start to find out about mccain's positions-pro life, etc they will start to realize that they cannot in good conscious support the gop.. ..he has outsmarted , outmanuevered, and won many a white state that no one ever thought possible before this race started-iowa, maine, wyoming, washington, kansas, etc.. he has overcome so many obstacles to get where he is today and has done this on his own.. from local, to state to federal leader-he has earned his stripes and in my view has already defeated the inevitable candidate so once the general starts-all the factors, issues favor his election as our next president..

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 04/09/2008

As I have stated repeatedly: It is simplistic and very probably wrong to extrapolate "States Won in Party Primaries" to "States Winnable in a General Election."

Just because Obama carries some traditional Red States in the primaries doesn't mean he'll be able to do so in the General Election.

Conversely, just because Hillary carries certain bigger "swing states" in the primaries doesn't mean she'll carry those in a General Election.

IMO, people who make either of these claims are desperately projecting their own preferences and seeking to make associations that facts don't support.

FACT: Either of the Dem candidates is better than McCain and can win if they/Dems don't shoot themselves in the foot, before November.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 04/09/2008

Exactly. You do need to add one more point, though. Just because Obama LOST a state in the primary doesn't mean that he would lose it in November!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 04/09/2008

This argument is part of a flawed, but persistent, rationale for Hillary's superior "electability". The fallacies are as follows:

1) "Blue" states will remain blue whether the Democratic nominee is Hillary or Barack. There is no data to the contrary. By the writer's logic, John McCain should be worried about losing Alabama, Tennessee and Georgia since they preferred Huckabee in the primary.

2) How can Hillary argue that every vote should be counted (see Florida and Michigan) when her campaign has written off entire states as unimportant. The Democrats in traditionally "Red" states are as important as those in big "Blue" strongholds, and deserve to have their concerns addressed and their voices heard.

3) A candidate's strategy should be judged by its results, not its hypothetical rationale. The superiority of Obama's campaing is proven by the pledged delegate count. Obama created a strategy that took advantage of the proportionate allocation of delegates by winning big in small states and staying close in big states. Considering his disadvantage in name recognition and initial fund raising, this was a brilliant decision.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 04/09/2008

The only thing that would prevent Obama from winning in the general election those "big states" that Hillary won in the primary is if Hillary refuses to fully support and indeed campaign for Obama after he wins the nomination.

Both candidates should be asked/required to pledge their full support for the other should the other win the nomination. If either refuses to do so, this would be most revealing.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 04/09/2008

This idea, so ingrained in some Dems, that we can't possibly EVER turn red states back into blue states is ridiculous. The political landscape in this country is changing every day. If the Repubs managed to turn those states from blue to red, then we can turn them from red to blue. With the war so unpopular, there is a real opportunity to grab back some of the states the Dems have lost to Repubs. But Hillary doesn't see that, and if she's the nominee, I'm pretty sure she'll just ignore those smaller states and work solely on the battleground states. Obama understands the 50-state plan. He's made it work for him and I think the rest of the Dems need to get on board with this plan. If we don't make a run at all 50 states right now, we're going to lose a huge opportunity. Even if we don't win those state, making the effort is important. It will make it easier for the next Dem candidate who runs.
And Earl? If Wyoming can elect a Democrat for governor, what makes it so impossible that they might go for a Democrat as president. The previous Democratic nominees haven't even bothered. Maybe it's time for a Democrat to spent a little time courting that vote and not concede so easily.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 04/09/2008

Exactly right. This primary has already shown that the map is shifting dramatically. The turn-out for democrats over republicans has been three to one in some red states. That is the biggest story not being told right now. I have no doubt that a 50-state victory is at least theoretically possible this year. Something that would have been unthinkable under any other democratic candidate since FDR.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 04/09/2008

Yet another argument that small states don't matter.

When will the Clinton supporters understand that there is more at stake than the White House this fall? Yes, Wyoming, Idaho and Montana will go McCain in November, however down ticket Dems have a shot with Obama at the top and NO chance with Clinton heading the ticket. She is toxic waste to red state Dems. We need to move this country away from the crazy right-wingnuts that have been in charge at all levels of local and state government the past 30 years. The point is to build a base for the 21st century.

I will be disappointed if Obama loses to McCain, but if the number of progressive Dems increase in the House, Senate and state Governors we are on our way to winning the battle of ideas. If you really believe in universal health, massive investment for a green economy, economic policy based on protecting the middle class, then you must understand that the current split of 50-50 in this country will not allow that radical change in policy. Build a strong base in all 50 states and you build consensus for change. The lesson learned from the Bush II years: You win elections with 51% but you can't govern.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 04/09/2008

EOH, unlike her Hillaryship's Pa supporters, isn't playing to Pa's 'grassroots' to create a gut reaction & a movement to win Pa for Sen Clinton. Watching Gov Rendell, formerly mayor of Philly, spin as he tries to create sound bites to get out the vote for HRC is interesting. The Gov isn't Jack Murtha. The Gov can insure an Obama victory. in Pa. The Gov may create a grassroots gut reaction, movement which ends up being a bowel movement of a few hayseeds & nothing more. Gov Rendell is like Mark Penn & Slick Willy. Those 3 aren't serving HRC well. Earl, on the other hand, is given to presenting lucid, fair & balanced reports which work to HRC's advantage. I'll stick with Obama. The 3 clowns, Rendell, Penn & Willy are GFU's who've left HRC's campaign FUBAR.
larry lynch

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 04/09/2008

You had up until "Earl, on the other hand, is given to presenting lucid, fair & balanced reports which work to HRC's advantage." I have yet to see anything lucid or balanced in his reports. It has been all spin, all the time.

From small states don't count (the anti-caucus argument) to it's really about the Popular Vote (the anti delegate argument) to Obama's Crazy Minister (the guilt-by-association argument) Hutchison has used a poison pen to paint half-truths and out-right lies about a great American.

Earl is no pearl.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 04/09/2008

Don't know quite where to began. Certainly Obama has weaknesses, all the candidates do. Your article is based on the assumption that he won't hold the traditionally blue states against a republican because he lost them against a strong democrat in the primary. Is it your assertion that he wont carry, MA, CA, NJ, NY? If it is then I can obviously stop writing because you have lost your damn mind. Wil the general be difficult, certainly. It will be difficult for sen. Clinton as well. I can make a complelling arguement for why it would be infinitely more difficult for her as oppose to him ( i.e. favorables/ unfavorables, insulting or dismissing every state she lost, ABSOLUTELY ZERO or near zero African- American support, misspeaks, Mark Penn, Bosnia, Iraq, Expierence, etc.) but i digress. Jimmy Carter wilth Herbert Hoover as his running mate could win in this political enviroment. Not to mention the fact that Sen Clinton or Obama would be running against one of the weakest Republicans nominees since Wendell Wilkie. Dems are lamenting what the Republicans will do to them in the fall, how about what we are going to do to "100 years more" Mccain. The point is that they all have their own specific set of weaknesses.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 04/09/2008

Gee, Earl....I grew up in Florida when a Republican could not have gotten elected as gator-catcher.
I was born and have lived in Kentucky for the last twenty years. When I got back we had a female, Democratic Governor. We in Louisville have had a Dem. Jewish Mayor forever and McConnells lap dog Anne Northup was beaten by our wonderful LIBERAL John Yarmuth, Democrat. A lot of the country is tired of the same old same old. Most of us know about the Revolutionary war and that Monarchy thing and some have children whom in their lifetime have had only a Bush or Clinton as the head of state.
Could you be just a little bit of a racist Earl,buying into the myth that a brilliant man of mixed race who has captured the imagination of not just the U.S. but the world could not be elected as president? Or maybe you believe all the Republicans switching parties are listening to Rush. Down here in the world of can I pay my bills and eat dinner people are tired of lame promises and giving their children to die for nothing. We want change badly and a continuation of the Bush/Clinton Dynasty will NOT be the answer.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 04/09/2008

Are you kidding me, You've read Earl's posts and concluded that he is an Obama supporter. That is hysterical! Every time I read one of his posts, I remember that there were black cops, in South Africa, during the apartheid era. If Earl is a supporter, I am willing to trade him to the other team, for a third round draft choice.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 04/09/2008

Forget that, I'll trade him for the losingest player on their team!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 04/09/2008

Take Philadelphia & Pittsburgh out of Pennsylvania & it would be Republican???

WTF???

OK, take San Francisco & LA out of CA & it would be Republican. While you're at it, take NYC out of NY state & it would be Republican too. Ditto for Chicago & Illinois, Boston & MA, etc.

While you're at it, take the nads off my uncle & he would be my aunt.

Good grief, are there no straws left that Hillary followers will grasp at to try to prop her up at this point?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 04/09/2008

face it. we all know that deep down inside it REALLY burns earl's ass for him to realize that obama is going to be the next president, and there's not a thing he can do about it.

which 'splains why earl keeps pulling crap out of his butt, posting it here at huffpo and stinking up the place with more of his drivel.

nice try, earl. you really need to work on the obama envy thing.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 04/09/2008

The states that go blue every election will go blue no matter who heads the party. In most cases, Clinton won by a close margin. These dem voters are not going to go for McCain. That's utterly silly!

So Obama has the blue states behind him, and he is the first dem candidate in quite some time to have the possibility of turning some red states blue, which hasn't been done since Bill was a candidate!
THE MAP CAN BE CHANGED!!! IT TAKES A GOOD CANDIDATE WITH CROSS-OVER AND INDEPENDANT APPEAL!!!

Nice try though, it almost made sense!! ;)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 04/09/2008

And you know what

I'm just sick sick sick sick and tired of hearing from the Clinton campaign and you the following:

1) Caucus states are worthless
2) Western states are worthless

So fine
Give back the delegates ok?
Their worthless..
What's Hillary's name doing on those ballots anyway....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 04/09/2008

Here we have yet another Clinton surrogate telling us why losing is winning and how she will go on to have the nomination. Is everyone else as tired of this as I am. it is the same old same old, why this state she didn't win doesn't matter and that state she didn't win does not matter. Excuses really for blowing a clear lead, poor organization, mixed messages and truthfulness problem that has the American people backing away from Senator Clinton.Her apologist not withstanding, talking about why states and voters and pledge delegates and reality doesn't matter. It won't turn water into wine or loss into victory.

Soon Pennsylvania will be done and she will not have won by enough of a margin to even have a chance to win. Obama needs to continue getting delegates at the rate he has for the last 2 months which is 1 per day, win only half of the pledge delegates in the remaining contests and then when the final voting is over she will need 240 super delegates and he will need around 50.

While the point is made that neither wins without super delegates, she will need 87% of the remaining ones and he will need 19%, just based on evidence so far. It's the evening pf the campaign, the sun has not set yet but her campaign is slowly running out of daylight.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 04/09/2008

another typical anti-Obama posting from a former clear thinking writer who somehow doesn't have a clue as to what is going on in the country today. People are inspired by this chance to overcome the republican mistakes that are this Bush administation.I know a great many republican party members who intend to vote for Obama in November, yet Mr. Hutchinson prefers to not acknowledge their existence. Earl the times they are a changing.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 04/09/2008

Okay once again.

Yes Clinton won states that are traditionally blue...and guess what they'll be blue in November and whoever the candidate is...will win there.

It's no secret that Clinton plays well to the Democrat Base....good grief!

What is remarkable is the strength that Obama has shown in RED states...States could be in play that haven't been before such as Virginia and Colorado.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 04/09/2008

-----CLINTON SLEEZE FATIGUE WILL INVIGORATE GOP, DISPIRIT DEMOCRATS AND SINK DEMOCRATIC TICKET-----

-----OBAMA/KERRY TO WIN-----

It is possible that Senator Clinton is the best candidate. However, even though many may like the policies that Senator Clinton proposes, they should also consider her record, just as Senator Clinton insists.
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The last Clinton Administration, when faced with the fact that protection rackets where assaulting, torturing and murdering people with poison and radiation, chose to avoid its responsibilities to incarcerate the criminals and to protect the citizenry.
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Instead, they made a deal with the criminal gang stalker protection rackets to leave them alone and to consequently abandon the citizenry.
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Do we want a President who sells out the citizenry for votes?
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Would you vote for a President who signed nonaggression deals with the KKKlan or the Nazi party? Gangs that torture with poison and radiation are much like the KKKlan and Nazi Party.
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We do not need a sellout President. We need a principled leader President.
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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 04/09/2008

I completely disagree! What we all need to consider are several factors. By the time the general election comes around we will be in a BIGGER recession and Iraq will definately be the same war costing us multi-millions every month. Americans do not want another Bush/Cheney...and McCain is just that and now he can't even get the Sunni's and Shites correct in his speeches. He has even publicly claimed he doesn't know how to fix the economy. All he knows is war. No....because of the circumstances in this country we will DEFINATELY get a Democrat in office (Obama). Watch and see!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 04/09/2008