General Won't Promise More Iraq Pullouts

ROBERT BURNS | April 8, 2008 11:05 PM EST | AP

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Gen. David Petraeus testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, April 8, 2008, before the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on the status of the war in Iraq. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — The top U.S. commander in Iraq told Congress Tuesday that hard-won gains in the war zone are too fragile to promise any troop pullouts beyond this summer, holding his ground against impatient Democrats and refusing to commit to more withdrawals before President Bush leaves office in January.

Army Gen. David Petraeus painted a picture of a nation struggling to suppress violence among its own people and to move toward the political reconciliation that Bush said a year ago was the ultimate aim of his new Iraq strategy, which included sending more than 20,000 extra combat troops.

Security is getting better, and Iraq's own forces are becoming more able, Petraeus said. But he also ticked off a list of reasons for worry, including the threat of a resurgence of Sunni or Shiite extremist violence. He highlighted Iran as a special concern, for its training and equipping of extremists.

In back-to-back appearances before two Senate committees, Petraeus was told by a parade of Democrats that, after five years of war, it was past time to turn over much more of the war burden to the Iraqis. Those senators said Iraq will not attain stability until the United States makes the decision to begin withdrawing in large numbers and forces the Iraqis to settle their differences.

Republican Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, a longtime critic of the administration's war strategy, told Petraeus: "The American people have had it up to here."

Petraeus responded, "I certainly share the frustration."

But when it came to promising or predicting a timetable for further withdrawals, Petraeus didn't budge. He said he had recommended to Bush that he complete, by the end of July, the withdrawal of the 20,000 extra troops. Beyond that, the general proposed a 45-day period of "consolidation and evaluation," to be followed by an indefinite period of assessment before he would recommend any further pullouts.

The Petraeus plan, which Bush is expected to embrace, reflects a conservative approach that leaves open the possibility that roughly 140,000 U.S. troops could remain in Iraq when the president leaves office next year.

On Thursday Bush will make a speech about the war, now in its sixth year, and his decision about troop levels.

In exchanges with several senators, Petraeus refused to say when he thought it would be safe to resume troop reductions beyond July without risking "fragile and reversible" security gains.

Asked Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Armed Services Committee: "Could that be a month, could that be two months?"

Petraeus began to respond: "Sir, it could be less than that. It could be. ..."

Levin: "Could it be more than that?"

Petraeus: "It could be more than that. Again, it's when the conditions are met that we can make a recommendation for further reductions."

Levin: "Could it be three months?"

Petraeus: "Sir, again, at the end of the period of consolidation and evaluation. ..."

On they went in the same vein, even after a demonstrator _ "Bring them home! Bring them home!" _ interrupted the hearing and was escorted out.

When Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., started in again later, Petraeus said it would defy logic to establish a timetable before knowing what conditions will be like this summer.

"If you believe as I do _ and the commanders on the ground believe _ that the way forward on reductions should be conditions-based then it is just flat not responsible to try to put down a stake in the ground and say this is when it would be or that is when it would be," Petraeus said.

One of three senators who could be the new president by January, Hillary Rodham Clinton, said much earlier, not in a response to Petraeus, that she disagreed with those who criticized lawmakers who are calling for an orderly withdrawal.

"Rather, I think it could be fair to say that it might well be irresponsible to continue the policy that has not produced the results that have been promised time and time again at such tremendous cost to our national security and to the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States military," she said.

Sen. Barack Obama, her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, told Petraeus that while he wants U.S. troops out of Iraq he would not initiate a precipitous withdrawal. And he said talking regularly to the Iranians is critical to getting to the point where it would be safe to end American involvement.

"I do not believe we are going to be able to stabilize the situation without them," Obama said.

War supporter John McCain, who will be the GOP nominee, said: "Our goal _ my goal _ is an Iraq that no longer needs American troops. And I believe we can achieve that goal, perhaps sooner than many imagine. But I also believe that to promise a withdrawal of our forces, regardless of the consequences, would constitute a failure of political and moral leadership."

Petraeus said his plan is supported by Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who has been notably public in his expressions of concern that the heavy commitment of troops in Iraq has limited U.S. military options elsewhere and has put enormous strain on troops and their families.

Petraeus made no mention of reducing soldiers' tours of duty in Iraq from the current 15 months to 12 months, but the administration is expected to announce a decision to do that this week. It would take effect this summer, coinciding with the completion of the drawdown to 15 combat brigades in Iraq.

Petraeus said the recent flare-up of violence in Basra, in Baghdad and elsewhere points up the importance of the cease-fire declared last year by anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and highlighted the role Iran allegedly plays in funding and training Shiite militias through cells the U.S. military calls "special groups."

"Unchecked, the special groups pose the greatest long-term threat to the viability of a democratic Iraq," Petraeus said.

Testifying beside Petraeus was Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Baghdad, who also focused on the violence in Basra, where Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki dispatched Iraqi security forces to combat Shiite militias.

"Taken as a snapshot, with scenes of increasing violence, and masked gunmen in the streets, it is hard to see how this situation supports a narrative of progress in Iraq," Crocker said. "There is still very much to be done to bring full government control to the streets of Basra and eliminate entrenched extremist, criminal, and militia groups. When viewed with a broader lens, the Iraqi decision to combat these groups in Basra has major significance."

 

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One of the most important facts that came to light to is the fact the Iraqi Government has $30 billion in reserves while we pay for everything.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 04/08/2008

In the book "Bush"s War : Descent into Madness", it was pointed out that Bush"s plan was three fold: 1.) to make him a "War President" who would then have the political capital to deconstruct any social program he felt American"s were not entitled to. 2.) Run up the Nation"s total outstanding debt which would be so large that deconstructing social programs to pay back the dept would be a necessity. 3.) Create a perpetual Republican government supported by the corporations that would feed off of the services and equipment sold to the Government to perpetuate the Iraq War.

It would seem that all of the theatre this session creates just supports the above thesis.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 04/08/2008

Deconstructing the Bill of Rights was important also. I ran down a whole list below in my reply to priorzola.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 04/08/2008

Obama in hearings on Iraq "there has been progress with the surge"
Obama "I'm not suggesting a precipitous withdrawal of troops"

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 04/08/2008

Sen. Obama also said, "Changing the definition of success to stay the course with the wrong policy is the wrong course for our troops and our national security. The time to end the surge and to start bringing our troops home is now " not six months from now."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 04/08/2008

Not one of these candidates, republican or democrat will pull the troops out within a year of taking office. Obama is just beginning to tell the truth, and it's about time.

We CANNOT leave. None of these people want to be held responsible for the blood that will be shed if we pull out too soon.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 04/08/2008

WOW. Why do people think Obama is liberal?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 04/08/2008

Maryln is liberal defined as one who shoots themselves repeatedly in the foot?
Do think he should exit Iraq in a fashion that would result in "unexpected" chaos that would result in 30 years of republican domination of the presidency. Do you believe it would be liberal if a president marketed the exit from Iraq in a way that would insure a liberal government in the future, to direct the consequences of the Iraq invasion to whom they should be directed. WOW Do you think it might be a bit nuanced. Just being liberal is not enough for me, Kucinich ain't around anymore
Maryln-who is liberal?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 04/08/2008

Because America is a lot more right to center than people want to admit.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 04/08/2008

Our Left is slightly Right of Center by world standards.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 04/08/2008

Which is what makes us American. We stand for something. Whatever doesn't really work here.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 04/08/2008

"We stand for something". Man is that "Classic American".

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 04/08/2008

The most dangerous element for America's security in the Middle East is a young unemployed Muslim man. The second we stop listening to merely military and half-assed political resolutions and start talking in earnest about the economic concerns of the Iraqi people, will be the day of the REAL "turning of the corner" in Iraq. The ONLY stabilizing force in Iraq or anywhere is the creation and constant maintenance of a middle-class. PERIOD. Even Saddam did a much better job of retaining a middle-class in Iraq than the American presence. This is not a coincedence. The money and resources that should be filtering down into the pockets of Iraqis are funneled straight into the pockets of contractors like KBR, Blackwater, etc.

Beyond the de-Baathification (which was just a boneheaded decision anyway you look at it) and the initial demilitarization of the Iraqi police force and army, this administration has made no attempt to reinstate the economic foundation that could come closer than any other political or military solution to bringing about real STABILITY.

A comparable analogy would be the difference between post-WWII Japan and modern-day Iraq. After WWII in Japan, there was exactly ZERO contracts for American companies to help with the rebuilding effort. The Japanese, thus, took the capital acquired through rebuilding and invested it into such companies as Honda, Sony, and Toyota. The last thing that the American imperialists in Iraq want is an Iraqi version of Sony or Toyota.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 04/08/2008

A destabilized Iraq is the goal.

1. It lines the pockets of Halliburton and their cronies.
2. It keeps boots on the ground next to Iran.
3. It pleases Israel, the actual dictator of our foreign policy through AIPAC.
4. It keeps Iraqi oil from being traded in Euros rather than Dollars.
5. It provides a distraction from domestic malfeasance.
6. The expense provides a reason for cutting social program at home.
7. Being "at war" is a means to deflect administration critics and question their patriotism.
8. It is a bonanza for the energy industry and armaments manufacturers.
9. It gives Right Wing extremists a cause to keep the ditto heads whipped into a frenzy.
10. It is a perfect cover to dismantle the Bill of Rights.

There's probably more, this is just off the top of my head.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 04/08/2008

There are only 6 million Jews in America-about 3 million of them vote! So please do me a favor -and stop with the Aipac mallarky! To believe that AIPAC,who many American Jews do NOT support(the Peace Now crowd, and most Jews who want peace with the Arabs!)controls American foreign policy is a false canard aimed at putting Israel in the worst light possible! WHY would a country of 300,000,000 people bow to the wishes of ONE PER CENT of the population??? Nine out of ten points isn't bad, though!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 04/08/2008

Funny, I'm married to a Jew and she agrees with me.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 04/08/2008

Someone married you??????

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 04/08/2008

So you both agree that one per cent of the population control our foreign policy? What deep thinkers-NOT!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 04/08/2008

Sure looks that way.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 04/08/2008

LIES all!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 04/08/2008

Now it's an Obama lovefest...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 04/08/2008

Senator Carl Levin "plan with no end to it". Where have you been Senator? Lots of us said that six months ago when hearings of this nature were being held.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 04/08/2008

Outline exactly what you wanted Carl to do. Where is the US public. There has been enough political dissent, but no little public dissent.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 04/08/2008

Now she's frreaking out at two middle eastern men kissing. What is the General supposed to say, don't ask don't tell???

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 04/08/2008

The resolution to this problem is really quite simple. Remove the American military from Iraq immediately and shut off the money valve from the U.S. government. Then all the people in Congress, and all the administration people, and the president and vice president and ALL their family members go to Iraq, using their own funds, taking up their own arms and get to work defending what they believe in - a free and stable Iraq. To say the American military can't leave is rediculous! It is only the cowards who say the military can't leave Iraq, the cowards who comprise our government who don't have the spine to really act on their own choices and beliefs. Instead the nameless, faceless public has to flip the bill, bear the burden and take the losses as a result of lies and deceptions from the amoral few.

But then again, the American public does overwhelmingly enjoy war and killing muslims....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 04/08/2008

One flaw, they wouldn't use their own money. They'd pull a Reagan and cut an arms deal with our enemies to fund it behind our backs. Iran/Contra ring a bell?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 04/08/2008

Boxer just yelled at one of her constituents...this is so funny.

I really do not like this woman.

I demand better representation.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 04/08/2008

What Theater!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 04/08/2008

Oh look, Barbara Boxer is pretnding to represent her constituents again.

Why is she talking to the General about Health Care?

This woman is just trying to get that line in that will run on the nightly news and make headlines.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 04/08/2008

They all are.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 04/08/2008

"Why is she talking to the General about Health Care?"

Is a veteran's issue?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 04/08/2008

Makes sense. Boxer is pretty decent, she should run for president.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 04/08/2008

Oh God!

Barbara Boxer.

This is going to be a cringe-filled 5 minutes.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 04/08/2008

Gosh, I kind of liked her no-nonsense approach.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 04/08/2008

don't you mean her no sense approach?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 04/08/2008

Geezuz. She is just an irritant. They must like that kind of thing in CA.

She looks pretty good for a foolish old lady.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 04/08/2008