Obama's Star Turn At The Petraeus Hearing

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After spending the morning with the Senate Armed Forces Committee, Gen. Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker have moved over to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

(Reminding me of Saint Lawrence, who, when being grilled on a stake, said, "Turn me over, I'm done on this side.")

The Foreign Relations Committee -- which includes Barack Obama -- is led by Democrat Joe Biden and has as its ranking member Republican Richard Lugar. Despite the bi-partisan make-up of the committee, however, a consensus is emerging among the senators this afternoon. Bottom line: we need to be thinking about getting out of Iraq.

Questions turn on certain themes: a) Why are we in Iraq and not in Afghanistan/Pakistan, where Al Qaeda is much more of a threat? b) Is our strategy working? Isn't there another way? c) How will we know when it's either bad enough or good enough to leave?

Crocker and Petraeus strike a mainly candid tone, if occasionally defensive and circumspect (Petreaus more often the former; Crocker more often the latter). The word "fragile" keeps coming up. Our gains in Iraq are fragile. The situation in Iraq is fragile. "Nothing in Iraq is easy," says Petraeus. One has the sense that Iraq is thin and as brittle as kindling.

Barack Obama, the undisputed main celebrity at the event, has been sitting a bit high on the dais given his junior status on the committee. He was also allowed to speak out of turn -- early -- owing to a scheduling issue. ("Yeah, getting on the evening news," said the journo next to me.)

Obama managed at once to bat clean up by summarizing his colleagues' arguments; to play star lawyer by rhetorically leading around the general and ambassador like they were witnesses at a trial; to be collegial by thanking Biden for his "indulgence" of an extra minute and by referencing fellow member Senator Barbara Boxer's comments; and to underline his status as front-running presidential candidate by offering concluding remarks straight to the camera, as if the senate were simply another town hall in which to deliver a stump speech.

Oh, and he also played the glamor girl. At one point he flashed a mega-watt grin, and so many cameras in the room went off at once that the shutters sounded like someone shuffling playing cards.

Onto the substance.

Obama, who favors withdrawing troops from Iraq, pointed up the confusion surrounding how exactly to determine the criteria for success in Iraq. He outlined his stance in four points:

1) We all have the greatest interest in seeing a successful resolution to Iraq.
2) He continues to believe the original decision to go into Iraq was a massive strategic blunder.
3) The surge has reduced violence and provided breathing room, but the opportunity to breathe has not been taken.
4) Our resources are finite. When resources are stretched, we have to focus tightly and modestly, and Al Qada is feeling a lot more secure when we're focused in Iraq and not Afghanistan.

"No one's calling for a precipitous withdrawal," he said, presumably for the benefit of critics who say that's exactly what he wants to do. But, he believes we are more likely to resolve the situation in Iraq if we apply increased pressure in a measured way, which includes a timetable for withdrawal, and create a "diplomatic surge" that includes talking to Iran.

In what was a useful point for a rather stalled discussion, but perhaps a phrasing that is going to cost him politically, Obama argued that our standards of success were perhaps so high as to be impossible without staying another 20 or 30 years.

In short, if US troops can leave, and Iraq maintains the current messy status quo but is not a threat to its neighbors or a base for Iranian expansion, would that be okay?

The question remained unanswered.

His time up (indeed stretched well beyond the seven-minute limit), the senator from Illinois exchanged a friendly word with the senator next to him, stood up, and disappeared. A third of the spectators in the room went with him.

 
 

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Hillary's cult is out in force to tear Obama down--as usual. It seems you people whine about all the negative remarks made about Hillary but sure don't mind dishing it out against Obama. I'm sorry your candidate wasn't impressive at the hearing and you feel you need to tear Obama down to compensate for her lackluster performance--but it's time to grow up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 04/10/2008

IF Obama is elected he will be in for a rude awakening if he thinks getting out of Iraq is simply a matter of cutting our losses there and leaving. The reality is the situation is MUCH more complex than that and the problems that will have to be faced are much more complicated and the potential consequences of the CIC's decisions will be great.

That said, the truth about Obama's experience (and we are finding this out about him now) is that he has no practical experience in federal government. Some may say this is a good thing. It might be. IMHO it's a liability. The way he speaks on these issues demonstrates to me a true grasp on the issues and what we need to do to resolve them in the best possible way. He may be brilliant. I don't think he's brilliant enough to make up for the other two candidates experience. And in the General Election it will become his biggest liability and the Republicans will make absolutely sure everyone knows how inexperienced Obama is at the federal level.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 04/10/2008

StephenJK, You are making one of the common grand assumptions that people under an illusion make. We are not in a humane enterprise in Iraq, it was conceived as a means to destatbilise the Middle East in order to manipulate oil prices the advantage of Saudi and American industrialists. Why you think we care about the life and death issues or even about the buildings and infrastructure of a place that was used as a political means to an end is curious. The truth is that we are beastial in our greed and we less for lives other than our own. And the truth within THAT truth is that the engineer intends to wreck the train (the engineer being the Bush people, the train being America).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/12/2008

Considering Senator Clinton has said she will begin to withdraw troops immediately without heeding what the military says, whereas Obama says he will be consulting with the military, I can't imagine why you would give her "experience" (often misused) an edge here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 04/11/2008

sorry, she said he we consult with the military, can't any of you obama supporters tell the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 04/14/2008

I guess you are not very fond of Sen. Obama are you Kelly? Because I am wondering if you were watching and listening to the same hearing....and the same questioning by Sen. Obama...that I was hearing and seeing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 04/10/2008

Republicans are getting very nervous. I do not care what the stupid MSM says, the Iraq War is a huge issue with Americans, and with over 70 percent wanting it to end (one way or another and they have stopped buying the lies of the Bush malAdministration). Any republican who is up for reelection in Nov 08 (all of them in the House of Representatives and republican cabal in the Senate) know they are about to lose their jobs, the voters will throw them out in mass and hopefully all the Democrats like Pelosi and Reid who have refused to follow the will of the public. Cannot wait, so looking forward election night in Nov 08 and watching the election returns. The American public is not stupid, even as politicians hope they are. (For those voted out of office in November 2008, don't let the door hit you in the butt, goodbye and good riddance).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 04/10/2008

CEO Obama.

Hilary continues to look every inch the middle level manager.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 AM on 04/10/2008


He was grandstanding for the cameras, he asked rhetorical questions he knew they wouldn;t answer.

What a con man.

And his ego is getting bigger by the minute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 04/10/2008

Hillary the next day used Obama's question as to the END GAME in her speech about she was the only one that will bring the troops home.

just like she did during the SNIPER FIRE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 04/11/2008

Obama is nothing but a dopplegager, a trait he has shown throughout the debates. Hillary complained at the last debate, "Why do I always get the first question?" She wasn't talking about the first one of the debates, she was reffering to the fact she got the first question on each issue.
She would answer the question, and Obama would say "I agree with much of what Hillary said but than add a pedantic diatribe with flourishes of rhetoric..making it seem like his answer was origingal. Well listening to the Patraeous hearings yesterday Hillary asked in the mornig session "What is the bottom line for the situation in Iraq for us to be able to bring our troops home?" In the afternoon session Obama asked basically the same question with a long pedantic number of words, but he again did it after Hillary asked the same in the morning hearings. You think Obama didn't listen to her in the morning hearings and design his own questions for the afternoon hearing. I doubt it since being a doppleganger has been his campaign strategy and tactic from the beginning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 04/10/2008

I WAS WONDERING IF I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT GOT THAT. AND IN ASKING THE QUESTION, HE HAD TO ASK THREE TIMES BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. HE WAITS FOR HILLARY, THE HE ME TO'S.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 04/14/2008

Really? You believe this? That he sits around waiting for HRC to speak so he can mimic her every word and idea. I'm sorry but it seems absurd to me. I think you are just fond of the word doppleganger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 04/12/2008

Thank God that there are others out there who see Obama for the snake oil salesman he really is. The issue of Iraq is so important to him that he couldn't wait to get out of the room and back to his swooning fans and their money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 04/10/2008

Can you tell me honestly, exactly which Senator on the Foreign Relations Committee, or the Armed Services Committee...recieved a straight answer to any of their questions...from Gen Petreaus or Amb. Crocker? I don't think you can....because it just didn't happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 04/10/2008

a con man?

where exactly . . . on a scale from nafta to bosnia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 04/10/2008

She looked washed out - appeared mean spirited/ unpleasant and she was scripted as usual - what a con woman - and she needs to get an ego or at least try to pick an ego from one of her three faces of eve -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 04/10/2008

The most significant development of the Obama/Hillary interrogation of Patraeous was the comparison between Hillary's simplistic questions read from notes with an unemotional delivery like a robotic interrogator and compare it with the impassioned persistant attempt by Obama to squeeze information from recalcitrant stooges who had only answers that were prescribed before the interrogation took place.

If you were to compare who in fact has a Commander-in-Chief quality and who does not have it, just compare Hillary's posture, delivery and scripted questions, (did you notice the note that was passed to her by a page during her questions?) and compare her performance with Obama's executive style of interrogating hostile witnesses. And his rephrasing of the same questions was his attempt to break through the obvious stonewalling of Patraeous and Crocker which Obama did managed to get through by eliciting statements from Crocker and Patraeous that clearly exposed the Bush's lack of any strategy to end our presence in Iraq under any any type of scenarios that Obama suggested.

Obama was brillent and his performance could convince many Hillary supporters to switch over to Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 04/10/2008

"Obama was brillent"

Yes, I think you're approaching his brilliance with this post. Good job, Uncle Joe! I'm voting for Obama!

HAHAHAH

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 04/10/2008

IA with this assesement and whats interesting too you could see that Crocker and Petraeous were Nervous when he was questioning them. I think Obama knows they were briefed and told what to say. These people are fighting a war and had Fuzzy plans on what constitute success. He pointed out that they've set the bar for success too high and when you have limited resources you have to be modest in terms of what you plan to achieve. Its gets to the heart of their tautology that when violence is down they can't leave because it will flare up and when its up they cant leave. Thats NOT a policy since there is no way to measure success. He came off more as a CIC trying to get at the truth.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 04/10/2008

They were laughing at his questions. He was on the soap box, grandstanding as a junior senator, sitting up with the big boys on the top tier. You call it interrogating reluctant witness', I call it an "interview" for anyone watching the hearings. His ego was too big for the room. (maybe it was all the paparrazi) And tell me what was so important about the evening news that he needed to split early and miss the 2nd round of questions? It had nothing to do with the war and everything to do with the democratic nomination and beating Senator Clinton with his articulate and well rehearsed oratory while she read from a prepared, but very pertinent set of questions about the S.O.F.A. (look it up) As to the tone of the candidates, Hillary was subdued and succinct and Barry sounded like a preacher on the pulpit in a Southern Babtist church. If only these hearings meant anything. Opening statements no answers. The surge is working, no troop withdrawals, no end to the killing and dying, and, if you listened closely, no chance of Obama's plan to end the war. It made me think of all the promises made during the election process (wishes and Hopes) and all the promises kept after the candidate reaches office (reality). Does uniter/divider ring a bell? The hearings were just a charade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 04/10/2008

Obama was and is Commander and Chief. Good going Sen. Obama...and thank you for NOT reading off dummy cards like other ill-prepared Senators. Thank you for taking the time to do your research and phrasing and rephrasing questions to try to get straight answers out of the those mouth-pieces of Bush. You are going to make a GREAT president, Sir!

OBAMA 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 04/10/2008

Uncle Joe, Obama is anything but passionate. Arrogant and condescending, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 04/10/2008

Totally agreed, UNCLEJOE.

I think some people (certainly Chris Matthews) took Obama's continual re-phrasing of the questions as lack of precision. I also think it's clear his rephrasings were intended to remove the "wiggle room" for vague answers. it was almost like watching a cross-examination.

It was during his questioning that it was most apparent how the General and Ambassador were actively trying NOT to answer the questions of the Committee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 04/10/2008

EXACTLY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 04/10/2008



Ms. Nuxoll:

Yes, indeed OBAMA was very presidential than Ms. Clinton and McCain. Obama within his 7 plus minutes a great moment of his spendid ability and capacit. Ms. Clinton would say they were just words and rethoric. Obama was a star intelligent and briliant mind that I want to see in my PRESIDENT. Ms. Clinton, Mr. Clinton and the entire entourage they've got should be ashamed for for all kitchen sink and belittling him in the public atrium.

General Petreus and Ambassador Crocker did their best they could and it was tough for them to give straight right answers to Sen. Obama. St. Lawrence's analogy was correct. They were grilled and well toasted in one side and they are looking to be grilled until out of Iraq, the war that Senators. McCain and Hillary authorized.

Bravo Obama for bringing in Iran on the table for discussion.

OBAMA '08

You are right they w

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 04/09/2008

I watched the hearings, both Armed Services and Foreign Relations. I must say, the Foreign Relations hearings were more confrontational than the Armed Services hearings. With that said, I found that all senators on the Foreign Relations committee were very direct in their questioning which allowed a perfect opening for Obama's questons (and reiteration of his opposition to the war).

In my opinion Obama set up the next president for an out to Iraq by being able to declare a "victory" however shallow. He basically stated the US military can leave Iraq without having installed a pure sense of democracy or having completely rid the country of AQI. It was a very clever move of his part and did make the issue of what "success" actually is. He allowed himself an opportunity to define what that success is on his own (or his administration's) terms. I say "Bravo Barack!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 04/09/2008

I think that his questions gave insight into the way OBama thinks and the way you would think that military peole particularly would think. What constitutes success and how do we achieve it with the limited resources that we have. It gets back to his belief that there is no good options in Iraq there is just bad and worse and if you are setting the bar too high and we dont have the resources to meet that bar its time to start lowering the standards. I thought he thinks like someone who realize that Yes Iraq is important but as President there are other national security and economic concerns and he has got to look at the big picture. I thought his questions were the toughest of the three. Even McCain doesnt seem to be grounded in the reality that this war is severely weakening the country economically as a whole and in terms of the morale for new recurits and the current soldiers.

The thing is that we need a reality check this cost is economically unsustainable. If our goal is a peaceful democratic Iraq we may be there for 10,000 years. Its time to start lowering the standards. I think it gives us an insight into how an Obama administration would run. Programs will have clearly defined goals and programs that dont meet these goals will be scrapped or scaled back. He wants measureable success and accountability.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 04/09/2008

Did you watch the hearings on CSPAN? It did give insight to how Obama thinks....disjointed and hesitating. His question had so many starts, stops, and "uhs" in it, he had to reframe it several times for anyone to figure out which of his many thoughts he really wanted a response to.

I happened to be watching with several other people, and the concensus of our group was that he asks questions the same way he answers them....vague and empty.

Splurge on a newspaper now and then, Carol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 04/09/2008

I watched CSPAN and what I saw was a brilliant attorney trying to get straight answers from two "hostile" witnesses. Now I know it's easy for some one like you, Rojo7449, and your friends, who don't understand these kind of political anglings, they I'm sure are way over your heads, to comprehend...and since you were looking for FAULT in Sen. Obama instead of questions that would set up a way to get the US out of Iraq, then of course that's what you saw. But rest assured my friend, we who understand the law and politics, knew Sen. Obama did exactly what was necessary to be able to make his case, when he's president, to bring our troops home. Thank you Sen. Obama, great job!

OBAMA 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 04/10/2008

When I listen to Obama speak without a speech, he is very confusing. There is an emptiness there, which is why I wonder why some say he's passionate. I don't see it, nor feel it from him. I see carefully thought out language, except when he's speaking off the cuff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 04/10/2008

Well, that is what happens when you are trying to comprehend and operate within something new. Like federal government, in Obama's case. There's a reason he's got the impromptu language difficulties. He hasn't even scratched the surface of the REALISTIC inner workings of the federal government. This is all just a charade by him. He's playing Senator/Presidential candidate in similar ways children play "Doctor" or "House". This is the reason you see a lot of language execution problems on serious matters like these. He really only has what people tell him. He's got no real past experience with these matters. A slick-tongued prosecutor in this case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 04/10/2008

Its not emptiness he thinks at a different level. He is an abstact thinker a visionary. Thats why people say one of the things that he has to do in PA is bring his thinking down to more conceptual bread and butter issues so that he can appeal to blue collar workers. He goes from the bigger picture to the specific. Hilary and McCain dont have a big picture plan or vision for the country they deal in specifics like I'm going to do A B C these are all policies. Obama talks about more abstract concepts like hope, and change. And he brings them down to specifics like stopping the influence of lobbyist. Moving away from conventional approaches to foreign policy. Moving away from partisanship and political divisons. In some ways Obama is a blend of the theoretical and the practical. He has policies but he doesnt focus on them although he does that more now in an attempt to go after Hilary's blue collar base. But empty he is NOT.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 04/10/2008

rojo7449, it's clear from your profile that your mind was made up about Mr. Obama's questioning LONG before the hearings.

At least be brave enough to say how you really feel. Don't be a coward and pretend that you were looking at the hearing and Mr. Obama's questions "objectively" and unbiased.

That would make you "an exposed liar."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 04/10/2008

Sillyseason befits you....your mind is the one already made up. Obama could say the sky was pink and you would think he was brilliant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 04/10/2008

Carol sounds much more intelligent than you. I happen to like the pauses--it shows he actually thinks before he speaks and lends authenticity, which his many supporters admire, to his character.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 04/09/2008

Actually, speaking 101 pretty clearly states that pauses with fillers like uhhh and ummm demonstrate to the listener that the speaker lacks a true grasp on the content being spoken about. But, Obamatron will spin it how they see fit. No matter how ridiculous it will sound.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 04/10/2008