Petraeus Says No New Buildup for Iraq

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ANNE FLAHERTY | April 9, 2008 11:14 PM EST | AP

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Gen. David Petraeus, left, talks with Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, April 9, 2008, prior to the start of the House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing on the status of the war in Iraq. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — America's war commander in Iraq told Congress Wednesday he is unlikely to endorse any fresh buildup of troops even if security in the country deteriorates, signaling that the limits of the U.S. military have been reached for now.

Gen. David Petraeus, closely questioned by lawmakers for a second day, described Iraq as a frail state still struggling to provide its own security. That volatile situation figured in his recommendation to President Bush that a gradual pullout of U.S. troops be halted this summer _ a recommendation Bush is expected to embrace in a speech Thursday.

But Petraeus also spoke of the burden on U.S. ground forces, and Bush will address that, too. In his speech at 11:30 a.m. EDT, Bush will announce plans to cut the combat tours of active-duty soldiers from 15 months to 12 months. The reduced deployments will not apply _ at least initially _ to any soldiers currently serving in Iraq, unless conditions improve to the point that commanders believe some could go home early.

Petraeus said, "I am keenly aware of the strain" on the military, noting his own deployment since 2001. "And I can tell you that there is nothing that a commander feels more than, in fact, the losses that we have sustained over there."

His resistance to the idea of any renewed increase of troops for Iraq reflects _ at least in part _ the reality that the rotation pool of some 1.3 million soldiers and Marines has been exhausted. Army soldiers in particular have faced repeated tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, and senior officers warn that the service's "strategic reserve" is at an all-time low.

Meanwhile, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, says current troop commitments in Iraq make it impossible to send extra forces into Afghanistan.

Andrew Krepinevich, president of the independent Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington, noted that Petraeus' promise to the House Armed Services Committee was a limited one. The four-star general is expected to resign his command position at the end of the year.

While Democratic contenders Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton have promised voters they would start withdrawing troops if elected, Republican John McCain supported last year's troop increase and believes conditions on the ground should dictate force levels.

Still, Krepinevich said, it's easy to imagine that Army officials agreed to the 2007 buildup on the assumption that Petraeus would give troops a "breather" at some point. Every commander "rotates them out of the line every once in a while to get rested and refitted. Otherwise, you really do burn up the force," he said.

Petraeus wants the U.S. to complete, by the end of July, the withdrawal of the 20,000 troops that were sent to Iraq last year to deal with the violence there. Beyond that, the general proposed a 45-day evaluation period, to be followed by an indefinite period of assessment before he would recommend any further pullouts.

The plan leaves open the possibility that roughly 140,000 U.S. troops will be in Iraq when voters head to the polls this November and Bush leaves office next year.

"We think it makes sense to have some time, to let the dust settle, perhaps to do some adjustment of forces, re-evaluation," Petraeus told House members on Wednesday.

When asked by Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, whether he would call for another influx of U.S. troops if security conditions deteriorated during that 45-day window, Petraeus said that would be a last resort.

"That would be a pretty remote thought in my mind," he said.

Instead, the military would try to reallocate existing troops. It also would increase its reliance on Iraqi forces, including highly specialized army and police teams that have been improving in capability, he said.

As on Tuesday, Petraeus faced Democrats and even some Republicans who said they were skeptical Baghdad was doing all it could to calm sectarian violence.

Lacking the votes to order troops home, Democrats plan to push legislation this spring that would force the Iraqi government to spend its own surplus in oil revenues to rebuild the country, sparing U.S. dollars.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said he would introduce legislation that would require the Iraqi government pay "for the cost of the security that we're providing them." Under his bill, the stipulation would be written into a legal agreement currently being negotiated with Baghdad on the U.S. military presence in Iraq, called a "status of forces agreement."

"The American people can't carry this load forever, so we're looking forward to a time when someone else can pick up some of it," said Rohrabacher, R-Calif.

Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador in Iraq, said some political progress has been made, but he acknowledged it was slow. Asked what would happen if U.S. troops were to leave in large numbers in the next six months, the ambassador said, "You would see a spiral down, and that would lead to expanded sectarian conflict, levels we have not seen before."

 
 

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What I don't seem to find on any of the media, is information about where our status as a superpower is today compared to, say, the 1970's. Has the loss of billions upon billions of dollars in Iraq and the increased trade and loss of intellectual property rights to China affected our status? Now that Russia is back from the brink and into capitalism themselves, where are they now in relation to us as relates in GDP, military power, alliances? Is there a chance of a Russian-Chinese alliance, a superpower alliance to rival or surpass the U.S.'s? The constant knee-jerk reaction by our politicians to do the bidding of the elite's corporate will is gonna cost us I'm afraid. Just as we sheltered many Nazis after the war, the elite of this country will find a new home in the country of none other than our invader when this country falls. As we saw in Russia, when the end comes, it is unexpected and swift, a mere few weeks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 04/09/2008

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Seems like the Dems are killing the souther fence. This makes us more vulnerable than any Iraq issue. Why is that the Dems kill something so obviously in our national interest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 04/09/2008

Petraeus IS RETIRING AT THE END OF THE YEAR???

WOW ALL THE BUSH APPOINTEE RUNNING FOR COVER BEFORE ANYONE COMES INTO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY WENT?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 04/09/2008

You know what they say about rats and sinking ships..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 04/09/2008

Spring is coming, no more snow. What we've been doing isn't working.

It's time to be in the streets!

No more candlelight vigils. No more make nice.

Protest. Not politely. Loudly. Aggressively. Inconveniently.

STOP THE WAR.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 04/09/2008

Petraeus: Westmoreland, lite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 04/09/2008

leftists decry the middle east adventures as morally reprehensible, but the way for them to influence the current election is to keep reminding those of us who work for a living that while we struggle to shell out $60 to fill the tank and $200.00 a week for food, hundreds of billions are poured into iraq. we should care more about the blood spilled and the evacuated, if not destroyed, cities of iraq, but empathy has never been a strong suit with Americans, or most other people for that matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 04/09/2008

The situation in the middle east IS reprehensible and the US economy IS in the toilet.

You say that empathy is not America's strong suit but fail to acknowledge that the US sends more in financial and food aid than all other countries combined.

You also fail to acknowledge things like the protests going on in San Francisco over Tibet and the Chinese Olympics.

Empathy is a very strong suit among Americans. What you should be saying is that along with that empathy goes an awful lot of hubris and arrogance. It's a strang dichotomy but very real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 04/09/2008

the lord giveth and the lord taketh away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 04/09/2008

shhh. don't tell the real number of paid assassins; i mean mercenaries. i mean contractors.

this machiavelli quote from donaldw6:

"Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous, and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies; they have neither the fear of God nor fidelity to men, and destruction is deferred only so long as the attack is; for in peace one is robbed by them, and in war by the enemy. They are ready enough to be your soldiers whilst you do not make war, but if war comes they take themselves off or run from the foe; which I should have little trouble to prove, for the ruin of Italy has been caused by nothing else than by resting all her hopes for many years on mercenaries, and although they formerly made some display and appeared valiant among themselves, yet when foreigners came they showed what they were."

-- Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 04/09/2008

Bush's war in Iraq solidified Osama bin Laden's perceived position in the Muslim world as a lion of Islam. Because of our actions in Iraq, we are now perceived as aggressors and oppressors.

Isn't it strange, how Republican politicians will brag to the media how they killed the "too expensive" Democrat sponsored plans to make America a better place, but they go on and on about how we have an obligation to make Iraq a much better place? Everyone is willing to do something reasonable to see Iraq become a better place, but the Republican plan amounts to wasting a dozen American lives and $3 billion every week. I saw one Republican lawmaker bragging how he had helped kill a Democrat plan to spend $200 million. $200 million won't even pay the bills for one day in Iraq.

The Republicans are living in La La land, and they are forcing the rest of us to live there with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 04/09/2008

Hey folks, this is a no brainer.

We're not leaving Iraq until we've provided enough security for our Iraqi puppet politicians to sign the oil law giving the oil companies their 80% cut. We went there for oil, and were not leaving, until we get, what we came for.

It's all about oil. It always was, and it will always be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 04/09/2008

Oil is just cover for the real reason. We are not getting the oil revenues now, when we run the country.
The neocons have been promoting war in the ME for a long time - and they are all about Israeli hegemony in the ME.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 04/09/2008

Petraeus can say definitively that no troops will be put back in after the pause, under any circumstances. But he cannot say definitively under what conditions more troops can be withdrawn. Any more doubts that this war is all about politics?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 04/09/2008

Aren't they all?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 04/09/2008

I meant electoral politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/09/2008

Listening to the House testimony.. sure sounds like there is a long line of repubs waiting to suck on petraeus and crocker... don't bother asking questions when you can give these two liars a little nut rub.. GO REPUBS!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/09/2008

Watching the House proceedings, I watched the defiant DEMS go down in flames with their inane questions. GRANDSTANDING was the word of the day for all committee members.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/09/2008

I watched Obama questioning Amb Crocker and Gen Patraeus. Obama answered his own first question. Then his closing statements/question contradicted the anwers he just received on his previous questions. He had a statement with preconceived conclusions ready to go which disregarded the answers he just received. Grandstanding with ELOQUENCE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 04/09/2008

Simply leaving Iraq will not solve the problems that we have created there.

Claiming that we can pull out within a month or even a year is laughable and ignores the goepolitical reality of the region and the international condemnation and opinion of the mission to this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 04/09/2008

They've got a government (supposedly).

They've got an Army (supposedly).

Time to go!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 04/09/2008

Well...no they don't. It's a government in infancy that needs some sort of stability in order to survive. If the US leaves, I'm sure Iran or Syria, or even Saudi Arabia would be glad to provide the political leadership and military force required to insert a puppet regime of their choosing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 04/09/2008

That would require taking your eye off the oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 04/09/2008

You mean Iran controlling the Basra oil fields,thus monopolizing the Mid-East market to finance their military build-up to intimidate it's Sunni neigbors right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 04/09/2008


and forgoing all the profiteering as well!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 04/09/2008

And you choose to ignore the fact that democracy is never brought to a nation at the end of a gun and that the Iraqis will continue to kill each other until they tire of killing and they will continue to kill us as long as we remain as occupiers of their country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 04/09/2008

The troops could be in Kuwait in 30 days!

And our leaving could not possibly make things worse than they are now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 04/09/2008

Ignoring international opinion, the intelligence that has been gathered in Iraq, the safety of the Iraqi government, the safety of Iraqi's who have aided the US in the occupation, the safety of Westerners currently in Iraq, the safety of US Allies with troops stationed in Iraq, the safety of US nationals operating for US companies, the safety of the troops as they scramble out of the region. It ignores the effort that has been put into the country so far and ensure the destruction and failure of effort. It ignores the geopolitical ramifications of a quick withdrawal and the increase in radicalization of the Iraqi people and the ensures the rise of religious fanaticism and increases the possibility of civil war. It leaves the kurds alone to fight the Turks and the Shiite and Sunni of Iraq.

It is simply ignorant and childish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 04/09/2008

So you can't imagine IRAQ being in a worse condition? I thought 2006 was worse before the SURGE? You know, on the verge of a full blown civil war and genocide.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 04/09/2008

Interesting comment since all indications are that violence has returned to 2005 levels.... that was pre-surge wasn't it bob?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 04/09/2008


Since when did you care for any Muslim's life?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 04/09/2008

pkrstd2

I'm taking my gorgeous wife out to lunch. I'll be back to check this thread. Just leave all the information for our charity fight right here. Be seeing ya.....heh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 04/09/2008

Where are ya buddy? (as if I didn't know)

heh...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 04/09/2008

Coward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 04/09/2008

I am?

What more would you like me to do? When he leaves some form of affirmation to the fight I'll leave an email addy he can contact me on. Until then I will not give out more information.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 04/09/2008

Apologies to SI... this went to the wrong thread.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 04/09/2008

NO harm, no foul.....;)

But I really need to meet my wife for lunch..Keep shootin' trolls in a barrel, people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 04/09/2008