Hating On We, the People

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Posted April 10, 2008 | 03:07 PM (EST)



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At Speak Out California, we have been writing quite a bit about democracy and about the meaning of the words "We, the People."

Decades of conservative/corporate marketing has convinced too many of us to think of ourselves as passive consumers rather than participatory citizens. This thinking has brought with it numerous negative consequences. But if we work to restore our understanding that WE are "the government" we can start to see our state and country the way the founders intended. We can see that we are in control and can make decisions that increase the benefits we receive as citizens.

In a recent post, The Power of the Words "We, the People," I wrote,

As an experiment, try substituting the words, "We, the People" every time you read or use the word "government." Or use the word "our" instead of "the" when you say "the government." Our government, us, we, the people.
Later in that post I wrote,
Conservatives have worked hard to make "government" a bad word. They complain about "big government." They complain about "government schools." But what happens when we substitute a form of "We, the People" into their slogans? The whole meaning seems to change.

With that in mind, lets take a look at an opinion column in April 2's Orange County Register by Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association President Jon Coupal: California Focus: No tax loopholes merit closing. The column is your standard conservative anti-government screed, arguing against closing tax loopholes that benefit corporations and the very wealthy to solve the state's budget problems. It begins,
In recent weeks, Gov. Schwarzenegger, legislative leaders and the Legislative Analyst's Office have called for eliminating what they term "tax loopholes" to help close California's staggering $16 billion budget deficit.


But one person's loophole is another person's legitimate advancement of public policy. This is especially true with those tax credits or deductions that are both broad-based - benefiting large segments of society - and which result in a significant societal benefit.

The specific tax loopholes under discussion include one that allows the very rich to avoid paying sales tax on new yachts and private jets, while the rest of us have to pay. Another lets oil companies pump our oil out of the ground without paying the state, and then sell it back to us. Another lets sales over the internet go untaxed, giving them a competitive advantage over local businesses that pay rent for a storefront, employ sales clerks, etc.


This discussion of tax loopholes occurs, of course, in opposition to the Governor's proposal to solve the budget problems by cutting all state programs -- the benefits that We, the People receive -- by 10% "across-the-board." That means cutting schools, police, fire, road maintenance, and everything else our state does. This, of course, means cutting the DMV staff by another 10%, making the lines more unbearable. It means cutting courts and prisons and environmental protection and parks and consumer and worker protections. It means, as we enter a recession, laying off thousands more workers.

But Coupal writes,

Those of us who represent taxpayers must remember our starting point. Specifically, that government is too big, too wasteful and too corrupt to be entrusted with any more money.
What is he saying here? Keeping in mind that our government is U.S., he is saying that you and I are corrupt! he is saying that you and I cannot be trusted!


Do you see here how our understanding of conservative arguments changes once we restore our understanding of democracy and our own role in our own government? In that light it certainly is insulting and contemptuous of conservatives to say that government is corrupt and cannot be trusted!

We, the People established this government that Coupal hates so much. And We, the People vote our representatives in to office to do as we ask. But it is this We, the People that Coupal and other anti-tax, anti-government advocates say cannot be trusted! They say there are too many schools for our children, that the lines are not already long enough at the DMV, that we should let prisoners go free, and cause the courts to have even longer backups when We, the People have issues that we need resolved. WE can not be trusted, they say, so they must impose restrictions on our ability to provide for our common good. They insist that 2/3 requirements be imposed on our ability to raise the funds we need to accomplish things like paving our roads and caring for our children!

In a recent post, Do Taxes 'Hurt'? Is Government Bad?, I wrote,

This anti-tax rhetoric results from an anti-government worldview that is pushed by conservatives, in which they portray our government as some kind of enemy of the public.

[. . .] So how can government and taxes be bad if the government is us? Looking at things this way, doesn't this all mean that taxes are like a savings and investment account where we get back so much more than we put in? And, building on that, since we use the taxes to our mutual benefit aren't we all better off if there are more taxes rather than less? Doesn't that just make us all stronger?


Finally, with a huge state deficit, what does Coupal want? He writes,
...even if some tax credits actually deserve the label of "loophole," government simply does not need more money.
We have a huge budget deficit, and he thinks We, the People don't "deserve" any more money. Think about that.


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I recall a scene from Michael Moore's "SiCKO" where he's interviewing Americans living in France; the overall theme they express on the primary difference between the US government & the French government is this:

In France, the government is afraid of the PEOPLE, as they are quick to take to the streets in protest.

In the US, the PEOPLE are afraid of the government; we have seen too often how the government responds to civil unrest.

So, are we right to fear our government? I think so, because the government as it stands is no longer ours [in any real sense of input on policy], and those who are at the helm seek only to quash insurrection as quickly and completely as possible.

And while I hold Conservatives much more responsible than the rest, the majority of those in government on either side of the isle support the concept of the governmental boot on the neck of populist will.

Our government does not respond to us, and until we change that, we are left holding the bag; we actually have less rights than corporations in the sense of personhood, as we bear the responsibility, but are disconnected from any real means of affect on government actions we don't approve.

We express our singular act of involvment at the ballot box, and then elected officials are essentially free to do as they please, despite our loudest objections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 04/11/2008

I agree that idealistically the government = We, the people. It's a beautiful possibility. I've been excited and energized by the Will.I.Am Yes We Can video of Obama's speech:

It was a creed written into the founding documents that declared the destiny of a nation.
Yes we can.
It was whispered by slaves and abolitionists as they blazed a trail toward freedom.
Yes we can.
It was sung by immigrants as they struck out from distant shores and pioneers who pushed westward against an unforgiving wilderness.
Yes we can.
It was the call of workers who organized; women who reached for the ballots; a President who chose the moon as our new frontier; and a King who took us to the mountaintop and pointed the way to the Promised Land.
Yes we can to justice and equality.
Yes we can to opportunity and prosperity.
Yes we can heal this nation.
Yes we can repair this world.
Yes we can.

It is easy to see that the ideal of government as We, the people is corrupt. Perhaps it is time to rail against the corruption rather than turn our backs on the ideal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 04/11/2008

How dare you allege that "we are the Government [of the United States of America]."
That is an outlandish charge.
we were not party to torture, suspension of habaeus corpus, illegal wiretaps ...
we all know the long litany of what THEY did.
we spoke plainly in 2006, but THEY did nothing.
Look at the approval ratings -- on numerous issues we and THEY completely disagree.
So, please, spare we the jr.high level civics horsecrap.

Let it be known that this document, for the duration of Bush's 2 terms, read: "They, the Government..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 04/11/2008
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Total cop-out. I dodn't vote for this crap under the former rethug-led congress or Bush, but WE are responsible, like it or not.

WE the PEOPLE [particularly when it comes to any objectionable action] instantly try to hide under the wing of someone elses orders--some official told me to dump chemical X, lie about my role in scheme Y, or give false testimony against governor Z, so I shouldn't be held accountable.

The Conservatives in this country are ultimately the driving force behind a national creed of the average citizen dumping oveall responsibility for their government; they wanted us to be mindless consumers who never bothered to look at the man behind the curtain--they wanted us to be irresponsible so that they could singularly decisive. When we sit on our asses and let the bullies run government, we can't complain too much when they run it into the ground.

Conservatives have NEVER sold me a bill of goods, at least when it comes to my vote--if America is wise, they will NEVER buy this bull again.

If we want a government run by WE THE PEOPLE, then we have to take responsibility for our government, and that means even the bad stuff we would have personally avoided.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 04/11/2008

Yes, but "We, the people" voted the so-called 'them' in. The government is a reflectin of us, and we must take responsibility for that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 04/11/2008

You're raising a very salient point, Dave and it has to do with the cultural contradiction of valuing personal responsibility but not actually practicing it. "We the people" are socialized to believe that independence is the route to bliss; that it is the existential equivalent to the Bhudda's Englightenment. This is a fallacy that needs to be deconstructed. The fact is that no one exists or makes it in the world by merit of their individual will or ego: We all depend on each other, and we must for our survival. The contradiction between valuing personal responsibility and not practicing it, is born from a culture that has lost its soul and its sense of shared destiny: hence the crossroads we now find ourselves standing in. The contradiction is proof of the way that "We the people" constantly allow ourselves to be hoodwinked by ideas such as 'individualim' that seduce our egos into believing its real. It's time to admit that individualism is the route not to bliss, but to destruction - of personal and collective well-being as well as to the ecology.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 04/11/2008

HUH - passive consumer - like a stepford consumer? WTF.

Impeach the criminals Bush and Cheney.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 04/11/2008

You have it upside down. The government is not we the people. The government is a very unfortunate weapon to be used to force people to do things they don't want to do. When one person decides not to honor an agreement we instituted the government to enforce, through coercion, the agreement.

The founding fathers knew too well, that the people we placed in government would be subject to corruption and special interests - that is why they tried to limit the powers. They also knew in the common course of events, the government would grow to try to dominate the people.

On the other side, when they say the "government should pay for...." we should substitute, "we will coercively take money away from you, the people, to pay for....."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 04/11/2008

Hardly! Unless you consider some people more "we" than the majority. Simply put, we all want more (schools, roads, bridges, services) for our tax dollar. We gain when we level the playing field.
Closing the mentioned loopholes, sales takes on luxury planes and yachts, free oil from our land and internet sales taxes, Are just field levelers.
The truth is, those who wring the wealth out of this country's natural and human resources should pay in proportion to their gain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 04/11/2008

This idea of We the People is what drew me into the Obama campaign. My son came home from college all excited about Obama, and he began sitting mom and dad down to take a look at speeches, etc. This cynical young man was optimistic about a politician? I couldn't believe it.
But I saw in Obama exactly what you are speaking to here. I don't recall the exact words, but the gist of the speech was that we can't just elect politicians and then expect them to make all their promises come true--We the People have to elect the politicians and the HELP them make their dreams real.
This came across to me as so honest and refreshing--I found the first politician that I felt was not just feeding me what I wanted to hear.
It made me go to a meeting of the local democrats. Guess what? There are a lot of really interesting and important things that our local democrats are trying to make happen as well. Who knew?
The local Democrats were nice retired ladies and a few husbands, and they were 90% for Clinton. The Obama campaign brought lots of younger people like myself into the local party so that we, too, could be the People. How cool is that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 04/10/2008

And, that's the same man who just recently said he didn't need a VP with foreign affairs experience because he believed that to be his strong suit!! So, does he want HELP, or doesn't he?

If Obama is truly the right person for the job of PRESIDENT, that's great. I just want to know that the very, very young people who are bringing him to the brink of election absolutely understand what this country needs in a president, and that he isn't simply a pied piper.

Can our youth hear through the melody of his prepared scripts? Sit your young man down at the computer, go to MSNBC TV and the Meet the Press area. You can find his appearance in November, where he gets the entire program to answer questions. Listen carefully, and apply what you know as logic to what he says.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 04/11/2008

What about the older people who brought us george w? or the older people who brought us george h.w.? or how about ronnie raygun? The fact of the matter is that while Obama may not be the candidate that I hope he is, he has just as much of a chance of being good as ANY other person. And if we are to help him make the right decisions by STAYING involved after the election, then we WILL have a good president!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 AM on 04/11/2008

The only thing that ever gets people "interested" in government is a rapid, easily discernable decline in their circumstances. Performed slowly enough, as it so deftly has, they can be stripped clean of their rights, access to information, and financial security without raising a whisper of protest.
It's only now, because of the overreaching arrogance of Bush and Co., the ship of state is finally listing so far to the right everyone is forced to take notice. Perhaps we should actually thank him, since without his divine incompetence, after another benighted decade we might have found ourselves to all be landless serfs. At least now, there's still a slim chance to reemerge as a free people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 04/10/2008

Just like cooking a frog. Stick them in boiling water, and they jump out. Stick them in a pot of cool water, and then slowly heat to boiling, and they'll just stay there until they die....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 04/10/2008

I'm pretty sure that's an urban myth but yes, the principle is the same. Humans will adapt to virtually anything if it's done slowly enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 04/11/2008

I've seen it happen both ways exactly as described (my wife loves frogs, but for some reason loves to eat frog legs!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 04/11/2008

That's a false metaphor....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 04/11/2008

How? The only way for the American people to ever lose their rights is for the government to slowly take them away, or you start getting a backlash. Then you have something like Nixon resigning. However, when it happens slowly, each little erosion of the rights is seen as a good thing, and finally you have something resembling what's going on. In fact, the only reason that we are talking about it now is because bush and his moved too quick, and we are starting to react!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 04/11/2008

Republicans find themselves in a unique position. They want enough government to keep the rest of us in our place, but they don't want to pay for it. Talk about having your cake and eating it too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 04/10/2008

The current group of Republicans wants to take our money and expand big government to enforce their view of society - this some how sounds like some other political group. Given a few more years, they would have a Secretary of Marriage to ensure enforcement of the Homeland Marriage Security Act. They understand the Golden Rule, "He who controls the Gold, makes the rules".

Boy will they be upset when they turn over their bloated government organizations to Obama for him to enforce his view of societal rules. Or when they find their all controlling Department of Education (indoctrination) will not have testing standards for Creative Design. Let's hear them scream when we give $4 billion a year in Federal contribution aid to a more diverse group of churches.

The monster government this gang of Republicans created, will be turned on them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 04/11/2008

One could hope!

For what it's worth, NEITHER party is the party of small government. The democrats, however, would like to use the government to help people, mostly. By contrast the republicans would like to use the government to enforce their view of the world on people, WHILE MAKING THEIR FRIENDS AND SUPPORTERS VERY VERY RICH!!!

Which one is looking out for us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 04/11/2008

You're right, Left. Small government is an illusion.
Good government will only grow to the size needed to maintain balance in the country, while bad government will expand to include instruments of oppression and suppression to be used against "we", as well as a legal system that favors wealth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 04/11/2008

They would be quite content with only the Military and the Federal Reserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 04/10/2008

That's not true, They also want the police, and the privately run jails, and the fire department that only puts out fires if you can afford it, but if you can they don't charge anything!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 AM on 04/11/2008

All I can say is "amen." Excellent post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 04/10/2008


It's strange, that by way of the "word substitution" experiment proposed, you're able to knock People off of their passive aspect of the Citizen's relationship to the functions of Government... strange, because it makes one wonder how and why this is even necessary, as we might think it was a natural almost instinctive thing, to see that Law and Government are meant to serve the People, who are the very existence of a nation, and it's Government too.

It is mentioned that "decades of conservative/corporate marketing" have had an effect on People, making them think of themselves as just part of a herd of animals, as opposed to an actual Human Being.

I blame in part the education of our schools, and the near absolute absence in their curriculums, of anything that resembles a true and valuble education in Civics... and by Civics, I mean the study of the principles and theory of Law and Government, in addition to the specifics (such as our Constitution).

What are 12 years of a public education worth, if those who spend that time graduate, without a clue as to what the Law of their land is, and what are the functions of their Government?

What were those 12 years spent doing, when it takes a very clever and valuable "word substitution" experiment, to jar their brains into realizing what is perhaps the most fundamental function of Law and Government: The Security and Protection of People.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 04/10/2008

The problem came about after a combination of Kennedy's death, Johnson's presidency, and Nixon. These three factors conspired to convince the boomers that they didn't really matter except as a purchasing block. So, they skipped the polls in record numbers. Then they got rich, and insisted that the government "get off their backs" when raygun gave them a handy excuse. The next generations are fighting a losing battle against this, since they never saw their parents go to vote, they didn't think that it was needed. This also coupled with raygun's plans to gut the school system by cutting money out of it, which meant that schools had to focus their efforts on stuff like reading, and writing, and math, and couldn't focus on citizenship, or the arts, or anything ELSE that matters!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 AM on 04/11/2008

Important points. This nonsense about the government being something evil is fascinating. The government is supposed to be our servant, not our master.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 04/10/2008

This government is not 'We The People'. It is 'They The War Criminals'. Hell, my representative doesn't even answer his phones much less retrun emails or letters. Besides, as long as there are Republicans and Democrats, 'We' the people don't stand a chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 04/10/2008

Dave, it's obvious! He thinks that the word "deficit" means "surplus"!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 04/10/2008
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