She's The Boss: I'll Withdraw Regardless Of Military Advice

Say What?

She asserted the very true fact that in this country we have civilian leadership of the military. Civilian leadership of the military combined with a democratic system for choosing those civilian leaders is the polar opposite from a dictatorship.

While there are plenty of reasons for not wanting Hillary, each of us gets an equal opportunity to voice our opinion by voting. Additionally, there are internet postings and the ability to write a letter to the editor of a printed media publication.

Those who think HIllary is some kind of monster, a threat to democracy, or is damaging the Democratic party by staying in the race lack both perspective and respect for our system of government.

Some of the Obama fans on this site are extremely childish. Some HIllary posters are as well. However, Obama is most likely going to win the nomination. Seems like there is little to gain by bitching about Hillary. Seems like the most useful thing to do at this point (if you are rooting for Obama) would be to ignore her.

Let the process play itself out. Let the all the voters vote. Count up the votes and declare (Obama most likely) the winner.

As Bill said recently "Everybody just chill out. We're going to win this thing in November if y'all just chill out". Those who cannot do this do not really trust our form of government. Those who insist that Hillary must drop out immediately are the ones sounding like dictators.

"This woman/family will say anything..." This is such a tired and pointless argument about the Clintons. It can't be proven, of course, because they have said only what they have said.

There are many other evil things that they could have said and done over the years; and yet didn't.

Bill, was a President who didn't seek to demonize any segment of the population through lies and misrepresentations: Reagan referred to "welfare queens"; Bush 43 refers to anyone who doesn't support his policies as a terrorist. Bush 41 seem to thrive on using the word "liberal" as a slur. The Clintons, both Bill and Hillary, do not seem to stoop to this level at all. If they were willing to "say anything" to get elected, we'd be hearing all kinds of slurs and ad hominens. Instead, what we get from them, in terms of falsehoods, are delusional self aggrandizing statements about themselves.

Face it. You don't like her. You don't want her to be President. I'm not sure I do either.

However, this idea that she is a bigger liar, or tells more damaging lies, than your average politician isn't really true. And the idea that she will say or do anything to get elected isn't a supportable accusation because she only does and says what she says and does. What she doesn't say or do, she doesn't say or do.

It's a logic trap and folks should stop acting like it's an actual argument to be made.

People used to think John McCain was a war hero, too-then we found out he was a mentally deranged dick.

She's been talking about this for almost two years, so your point is...what?

Right back at you:

"A widely forwarded e-mail claims that Obama's bills are more substantive and numerous than Clinton's. Don't believe it."

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/substance_abuse.html

Completely agree. I had a conversation recently with a woman (and HRC supporter) who all but said that I just "don't get it" and that not supporting her was sexist. I laid out my reasons and she still told me that I have inherent bias.

That may be true to some extent, after all you can't get away from the larger realities (and ills) of society, but when I have political, non-sex based concerns with her decisions, leadership, and direction, can't I just decline to vote for her without being branded a sexist??

"Why can't they just be disagreeing?"

Or simply have a reality-based long-term memory? To be honest, the Hillaristas don't seem bothered by anything Hillary says or does, which could be a good definition of "dysfunctional".

wow, she scares me. She won't listen to the commanders on the ground? Thats a little out there! At least with Barack Obama we know his intention is to bring the troops out and to bring them out responsibly. Barack Obama will at least take input from all sides involved. HRC says she will take input from HERSELF. One word describes Hillary Rodam Clinton, DIVISIVE! Obama 08!

my guess is a day or two after the debate...
which is why she wouldn't accept a second debate on the 19th.

I agree 100% and am really scared it will be something so bad that she will win big...then it will turn out to be another lie. Too late to do anything about it just like Ohio/Texas.

Gosh, rh654, some of us see Hill/Bill as pretty close to the vast right wing that they so recently have embraced (Richard Mellon Scaife and his PA media empire). Hill's "experience" is largely based on her trying to establish her hawkish persona.

And quick note; neither Democratic candidate has ever proposed "walking away regardless."

That sure sounds like a GOP troll -- or, a rabid McCain supporter. Or, both.

Yes you will be drafted to the inept & funny farm.

Congress does NOT set military policy - that's what a Commander in Chief does (hence the title Commander in Chief). The Congress DOES control the purse, however, so in that sense they can support a proposed policy. After 7 years of war and failed policy, what do you think the chance are that a popular proposal to start drawing down within 60 days of a new presidency would be rejected by Congress? Pretty damned slim, I should think!

Not that I am agreeing with Hillary but a lot of good congress has done us so far!!!