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JIM KUHNHENN and CHARLES BABINGTON | April 12, 2008 09:08 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., speaks during a town hall meeting at Ball State University in Muncie, Ind., Saturday, April 12, 2008.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

MISHAWAKA, Ind. — A political tempest over Barack Obama's comments about bitter voters in small towns has given rival Hillary Rodham Clinton a new opening to court working class Democrats 10 days before Pennsylvanians hold a primary that she must win to keep her presidential campaign alive.

Obama tried to quell the furor Saturday, explaining his remarks while also conceding he had chosen his words poorly.

"If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that," Obama said in an interview with the Winston-Salem (N.C.) Journal.

But the Clinton campaign fueled the controversy in every place and every way it could, hoping charges that Obama is elitist and arrogant will resonate with the swing voters the candidates are vying for not only in Pennsylvania, but in upcoming primaries in Indiana and North Carolina as well.

Political insiders differed on whether Obama's comments, which came to light Friday, would become a full-blown political disaster that could prompt party leaders to try to steer the nomination to Clinton even though Obama has more pledged delegates. Clinton supporters were eagerly hoping so.

They handed out "I'm not bitter" stickers in North Carolina, and held a conference call of Pennsylvania mayors to denounce the Illinois senator. In Indiana, Clinton did the work herself, telling plant workers in Indianapolis that Obama's comments were "elitist and out of touch."

At issue are comments he made privately at a fundraiser in San Francisco last Sunday. He was trying to explain his troubles winning over some working-class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

The comments, posted Friday on The Huffington Post Web site, set off a blast of criticism from Clinton, Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain and other GOP officials, and drew attention to a potential Obama weakness _ the image some have that the Harvard-trained lawyer is arrogant and aloof.

His campaign scrambled to defuse possible damage.

There has been a small "political flare-up because I said something that everybody knows is true, which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my hometown in Illinois, who are bitter," Obama said Saturday morning at a town hall-style meeting at Ball State University in Muncie, Ind. "They are angry. They feel like they have been left behind. They feel like nobody is paying attention to what they're going through.

"So I said, well you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on. So people, they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country."

After acknowledging his previous remarks in California could have been better phrased, he added:

"The truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation, those are important. That's what sustains us. But what is absolutely true is that people don't feel like they are being listened to."

Clinton attacked Obama's remarks much more harshly Saturday than she had the night before, calling them "demeaning." Her aides feel Obama has given them a big opening, pulling the spotlight away from troublesome stories such as former President Clinton's recent revisiting of his wife's misstatements about an airport landing in Bosnia 10 years ago.

Obama is trying to focus attention narrowly on his remarks, arguing there's no question that some working-class families are anxious and bitter. The Clinton campaign is parsing every word, focusing on what Obama said about religion, guns, immigration and trade.

Clinton hit all those themes in lengthy comments to manufacturing workers in Indianapolis.

"The people of faith I know don't 'cling' to religion because they're bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich," she said.

"I also disagree with Senator Obama's assertion that people in this country 'cling to guns' and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration," Clinton added.

"People don't need a president who looks down on them," she said. "They need a president who stands up for them."

McCain's campaign piled on Obama, releasing a statement that also accused him of elitism.

One of Clinton's staunchest supporters, Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., acknowledged there was some truth in Obama's remarks. But he said Republicans would use them against him anyway.

At a campaign rally in Wilson, N.C., former state Democratic Party chairman and current Clinton adviser Tom Hendrickson said rural voters don't need "liberal elites" telling them what to believe.

Bill Clinton was the featured speaker of the rally but avoided commenting on Obama's remarks. When asked about it afterward, he said simply, "I agree with what Hillary said."

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Jim Kuhnhenn reported from Muncie, Ind. Associated Press writer Mike Baker in Wilson, N.C., contributed to this report.

 
 

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Let's break this down for the seemingly simple-minded Clinton folk'

You can take my job... but you can't take my god...
You can take my job... but you can't take my gun...
You lied to me about giving me a job, so I no longer trust you...you know who I do trust, people who are just like me...
You tell me that it's the fault of immigrants that you can't get me the job you promised, so now I have a problem with immigrants. .

Note: To those who believe that...the real culprit is both parties for letting the labor movement die under Reagan-Bush and yes Clinton.

Breaking down Obama's comments to bumper sticker size should help the people who desperately want to find something wrong with what he said. I personally like having a candidate that talks to us as adults. Not ones like Clinton McCain & Bush who push the bumper sticker mentality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 04/13/2008

You capture well the content of what Obama was telling the San Franciscans behind closed doors, but you multiply the condescension about a thousand fold. If you are trying to defend your candidate, I think he would say no thanks. He has already run away from his original psycho-social analysis that the small town folk of Pennsylvania cling to religion, guns, and xenophobia because they're frustrated and bitter. But, of course, you've reduced the population of an entire region to a set of platitudes, so it is not hard for me to get my simple-mind around that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 04/14/2008

condescension you say....Pardon me if I'm sick of politicians talking to us like 5 year olds. Then I see people who are progressive saying that they won't vote for the progressive candidate who won fair and square....

OH wait...Florida and Michigan...!!! PLEASE, if Clinton was that upset about the situation, she'd have protested when Dean announced the penalty. That's like pleading 'No contest to a crime, then after you hear your harsh sentence, you want to re-inter your plea to not guilty because you don't like the sentence...

condescension.... I'll stop being condescending when Clinton supporters stop throwing temper tantrums. I'll stop being condescending when Clinton supporters look at what happened in 2000 Bush V. Gore, and see that Clinton trying to use the super-delegates in the same fashion is scary and self centered.

How's that for "condescending"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 04/15/2008

What? Appealing to super-delegates, which is within the party rules, is the same as having the supreme court fix the election? Let's not be so hysterical (in both senses of the word). Oops. This condescension stuff is contagious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 AM on 04/16/2008

How ever did you draw a straight line between Bush V. Gore and the primaries? No superdelegates were involved, just the court. Is there any space in that little brain of yours for some facts?

1) Michigan and Florida will go to the Republicans. McCain plus 44 electoral votes and the general has not begun.
2) Your smart mouth and condescending attitude has cost Obama four votes in my family. Multiply that times all the other families supporting Hillary and McCain has the election before the general has begun.

Can you possibly imagine how your comments turn people off? I hope you are making phone calls for Obama because that would assure Hillary the nomination.

No matter how nasty you are or how smart you think you are, you have no clue about politics. There has been nothing but the politics of personal distruction coming from Obama and his supporters and you expect Hillarys supporters not applaud her when she attacks him? Because of people like you, get this, i will never vote for Obama.

Your childish behaveyor is repulsive. And you and your Master both need a touch of humility. If God is good, that will happen next Tuesday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 04/15/2008

Simple-minded Clinton folk? He wasn't talking to you . He was talking to people with money about you. If you find comfort in a gun fine. If the only time you need religion is when things are tuff, fine too. But don't blame Pres. Clinton for the economy. If Obama wins the nomination, you will be blaming the Republicans which is where the blame belongs. Bush has his trillion dollar war, cutting taxes on capital gains, dividends and estate taxes for millionaires and billionaires. The first six years of his presidency he didn't veto a single pork barrel expenditure because most of them came from his party. please keep in mind Sen. Obama has never said he would opt out of NAFTA. On the contrary, he took pains to send his economic advisor to reassure the Canadian government that he would not. You really should avoid condescending and elitist statements about Clinton supporters. It might lead someone to believe you are arrogant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 04/13/2008

Typical...Yes "Simple Minded" I meant it, Clinton supporter. You can't even get your facts straight. I guess you..like other Clinton supporters (and like base republican voters) ignore the programs like Keith Olberman and Ed Shultze whom broke the story that Canadian officials actually announced that it was Clinton's people whom approached them. That came from the "horses mouth," not Matt Drudge. That's probably in part why Clinton got Booed today by factory workers in Penn.

You called me arrogant...I Call you ignorant for not getting the story right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 04/15/2008

You need to stop watching Olbermann. There exists a memo leaked from the Canadian Prime Ministers office proving Sen. Obama's economic advisor spoke to the Consul in Chicago and assured him Obama was responding to the "domestic politics" when he criticized NAFTA. We will see how the Pa. vote goes and by how much Hillary wins there. I forgive you for calling me simple minded because I don't feel the need to defend my intelligence, but you really should get your hard info from a reputable source like the Washington Post or the New York Times. Olbermann is a pathetic little man who dreams of being Edward R. Murrow but is in fact like Joe McCarthy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 AM on 04/15/2008

Obama is cleverly trying to divert attention from the prejudiced portion of his remarks, by framing the issue as whether people are bitter or not.
That isn't the issue.
Obama was asked the reason that white people living in rural areas in PA might not vote for him. He responded by pointing the finger at them, as a group, and by claiming that they, as a group, "cling to guns and [racism]" to assuage their feelings of "frustration."
That is a bigoted, prejudiced remark. The fact is that Obama's campaign DEPENDS upon white people, who, although angry about the state of our Union, are NOT racist or prejudiced.
He further revealed who he thinks the "typical white person" is. That revelation, along with all other signs of his true feelings, is troubling.
I have concluded that Obama is a racist. His supporters can rant and rave, like Wright, about "white people" and blame every objection to Obama's views on white bigotry, but the truth is that he is the one stereotyping whites, judging whites as a group and unfairly denigrating white people for adopting positions that he himself advocates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 04/13/2008

BTW...since when did "God Dammed America" become something racist against white people. Turn off Fox would ya!! What did Wright say about White people? Give me a quote where he racially slurred white people as a whole. OH, I'm sorry...your probably a Clinton Supporter...like republican voters...facts don't matter to you...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 04/15/2008

The government runs everything from the White House to the schoolhouse, from the Capitol to the Klan, white supremacy is clearly in charge, but Asa, like Jesus, refused to be defined by an oppressive government because Asa got his identity from an Omnipotent God

Rev. Wright

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 04/15/2008

Great...what did he say about white people in this quote. I'm missing it. That's a dig at the white house and HIS view of the American government. Where's the beef? Unless you feel that government means white.

Nice try...try again

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 04/17/2008

Hey Buzz, Like most Clinton Supporters and republicans alike (they're about the same people now a days) Your leaving out the crucial part of the quote. Right before that statement when Obama says that because they've been lied to so much in the last 20+ years...the people in small towns...

If your going to make an argument...try to be at least a little bit intellectually honest!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 04/15/2008

"That is a bigoted, prejudiced remark"

No it isn't -- that's a bigoted, prejudiced QUESTION~!!!

ANYTHING he says in response to a question about "why won't white people vote for you" can be tagged like you just gleefully have, IF THE QUESTION IS ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE.

Your problem is with the question, not with the answer. Stop trying so desperately to find something to justify your hatred of this man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 04/14/2008

The genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back. The truth about Barack Obama, which many have known, is now known to everyone. He is an empty suit, willing to become whatever his audience of the moment requires of him. A straw man, a chameleon who pets cows, bowls and drinks beer in Pa. and tells an audience there about his admiration for GHW Bush and his Gulf War and Ronald Reagan. He leaves Pa. for sunny Ca. to the wealthy he says the ones he left in Pa. are struggling so turn to racism, guns and religion. His surrogates angrily blaming Hillary for putting the message out, I applaud her because everyone needs to know the truth abut this "straw man" Unknown, untested ,arrogant saying whatever required to win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 04/13/2008

There is no question that if Hillary was uncovered to have made identical remarks behind closed doors to a group of big city donors, the Chris Matthew's within you all would be frothing and she would be crucified.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 04/13/2008

Um, she HAS, and so has her husband.

The difference is, OBAMA would not have jumped on her for it, like liar-liar-pants-on-fire Hillary has so gleefully now. Her press release on the matter and John McCain's were almost identical. What does that tell us about our loyal Democratic Senator Hillary, I wonder...?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 04/14/2008

Bravo

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 04/13/2008

Obama's words were spoken to SanFranciscan "fat cats" to give them a "wake up" call or a challenge to their consciences to sympathize is evident. He said nothing inaccurate. The feigned outrage of the Clinton camp would be laughable if the insight of the Democratic voters was more reliable. This "tempest in a teacup" is indicative of Hillary's desperation. If she is truly unaware of the bitter frustration of middle Americans, she is as blind and uncaring as McCain! I doubt the concerns of middle America are anything more than a campaign "glitch" to be "managed". The Clinton family business is foreign trade. Hillary's and her lobbyist campaign staffers will stop at nothing to obscure voter scrutiny of her true motives, interests and objectives.
Many have wondered at the reason for Bill's "blunder" at reminding us again of Hillary's "Bosnia" lies. I believe it was no blunder, but a (as he saw it) necessary sacrifice to keep media attention from a greater, and potentially, more devastating issue. The Mark Penn-Colombia "heat", was drawing too much public attention to that issue. Time to throw a smoke-bomb to the press to cover the sensitive issue of Hillary's involvement with future free-trade with Colombia.
As an American, I'm neither "demeaned" nor insulted by Obama's "bitterness remarks". Truth may not be comforting, but its at least refreshing. Especially in the midst of Clinton mendacity or McCain ignorance.
DIG people...seek facts and don't be spoon-fed sound-bites and campaign barbs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 04/13/2008

From NBC/NJ"s Aswini Anburajan
SAN ANTONIO, Texas -- Led by the Chicago press corps that has covered Obama for years, the candidate today faced a barrage of questions in what turned out to be a contentious news conference.Questions centered on why his campaign had denied that a meeting occurred between his chief economic advisor and Canadian officials as well as questions on his relationship with Tony Rezko, a Chicago land developer and fast food magnate, now on trial for corruption charges.Obama claimed that when he had first denied the meeting between Austan Goolsbee and any members of the Canadian administration he provided "the information that [he] had at the time." He added, "Nobody reached out to the Canadians to try to reassure them. They reached out, unbeknownst to the rest of us; They reached out to Mr. Goolsbee, who provided them with a tangible conversation and repeated what we've said on the campaign trail." When did the meeting take place? Why did the Canadian officials reach out? Did Goolsbee not come forward right away and admit the meeting to Campaign Manager David Plouffe and Obama when both denied it last week? These are questions that went unanswered as the press conference was cut short.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 04/15/2008

well said.

it's amazing how the clinton/mccain (because they might as well be the same people) folks will swallow any kind of disingenuous nonsense in their desperation to find a reason to hate Senator Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 04/14/2008

What is laughable is how much you sound like your Master. Can't rely on Democratic voters to make the correct decision? You are condesending to assume voters supporting Hillary do not understand the difference between a man who pretends to bowl, pet cows and drinks beer with the locals and someone who really cares about the lives of the people she meets. Yeah, Obama was speaking to a bunch of fat cats, but there was one little problem. He didn't know he was being recorded when he said the people of Pa. turned to guns and relegion to deal with their problems. He didn't know anyone outside that thin air ambience would know he said the people of Pa. were racist and wouldn't vote for someone "different" That has to be the explanation right? It couldn't be that we just don't like or trust him. .That is a joke and an insult. Sen. Obama has said he will not opt out of NAFTA. He lied twice about Prof. Goolsby meeting with the Canadians to reaasure them his statements about NAFTA were domestic polotics. As far as Hillary being involved in the Columbian free trade, it is a lie and you know it, but you don't have any problem with that. There has already been a "stink" bomb thrown by Sen. Obama and anyone who didn't understand before that he is a straw man. Ambitious, Arrogant and Condesending. understands now. Pa. has seen the truth and it is Hillary's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 04/13/2008

Obama's banter about bitter working class voters during a fundraiser
made the voters show bitter anger.
Anger anchored in rising hunger and hopes blown asunder.
Hope the solver to the cause of anger

Hillary who is keen to pester, armed with this as fodder
a supercilious finger pointer,
Fuels the bitter chatter stemming from misdirected anger.
Anger reared in near a decade of NAFTA job plunder

Obama's bantering needs a word chosen better
Hillary's pestering needs a people truly bitter

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 04/13/2008

Obama's effort to explain himself after the fact is all too disappointingly similar to his Clintonian defense of himself after the Reverend Wright matter, that he wasn't present when the Reverend made those particularly remarks that were played in the videotapes and had never heard those particularly remarks before, as if after 20 years of close devoted association he didn't have a clue as to what his minister's belief system was, or what he was publishing in the church newsletter or selling in the church bookstore.
There is much to admire about Obama, but let's be real about what appear to be his actual faults.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 04/13/2008

Sorry about the previous double post.
To compound it all, Obama is totally disingenuous when he tries to control the damage by focusing narrowly on his statement that the people in the depressed economy of the Midwest are bitter, which he states we of course all know is true, and he is dishonest when he spins his comment to suggest that he was only saying that people "take comfort from their faith" when they are bitter. That is not what he said to what he thought was a closed door private audience in San Francisco. Clinging to guns or religion or anti-immigrant sentiment does not have the same meaning as taking comfort in one's faith. Obama may have been correct in his original statement at the SF fundraiser that anti-trade sentiment stems from the frustration of a depressed economy and loss of jobs, and I don't find that part particularly condescending, but then he is just as guilty as Hillary in demagoguing that issue by catering to this anti-free trade sentiment while campaigning in Pennsylvania and Ohio. In fact, his characterization of anti-trade sentiment as a response to frustration in San Francisco makes his catering to that sentiment in Pennsylvania and Ohio appear even more transparently pandering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 04/13/2008

Senator Obama's comments were accurate and not indicative of elitism or disrespect for people in small town America. Senator Clinton's attempt to make a big deal out of the remarks and whip voters up is shameful and insulting to voters. Hiilary Clinton makes me ashamed as a woman and as an attorney. Wiining at any cost has its consequences.

John McCain is clearly out of touch and out of step. Are voters as stupid as Senator Clinton thinks that we are. I hope that she is proven to be the stupid one. The Republican nominee needs to find out why he continues to make mistakes while speaking about the war in I raq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 04/13/2008

lovely. It is wonderful for the Democratic voters to have a glimpse of the real Obama. Of course she will repeat his words until the entire country has heard them. Just as the entire country has heard the lies repeated about Hillary. You are an attorney? Funny that you just dropped that in when it had nothing to do with the issues. Smacks of elitism to me. If you are a lawyer and a woman, you should be ashamed of yourself. Just one generation ago, you would not have been excepted to law school, or medical school. You wouldn't have been eligible for a scholarship for anything but the occupations accepted as suitable for women. Now, if you are married and successful, it is apparently fine to say you achieved your success because of your husband. Tell me how you feel about affirmative action, because without it, I wouldn't have gotten a college education. Sexism is alive and well in the good ole USA. Forty years ago enough women in my state voted against the ERA to defeat it. Hillary offers so much more than the others and the fact that she is a woman fills my heart with joy. You are just perfect for Obama. Smug, arrogant and condescending.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/13/2008


The McCain campaign"s "bitter point" comment (April 11, 2008) reveals its anti-intellectualism that might be its characteristic from now on. Ms. Clinton"s act of copying it reflects her readiness to abandon her own principles if that brings her some political points. But,
1. What is elitist in saying that those who have lost their jobs and experienced massive unemployment are bitter? If you were in their shoes you would be, too.

2. There is nothing arrogant in applying Sociology 101 in understanding society:
- Fear produces a need for guns.
- People pray more when experiencing hardships.
- Hardship is a fertile ground for finding scapegoats and accepting prejudice.

3. And, of course, being bitter doesn"t imply absence of resilience and optimism, as Ms. Clinton claims now .(We remember her feeling bitter and shouting "Shame on you" and continuing to be resilient, as well as her recent comparison of herself with Rocky in that regard).
Senya

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 04/13/2008

I swear you Obama people are so funny. Sociology 101? "Fear produces a need for guns"?
anti-intellectualism? If being afraid of losing your house and not being able to feed your families is a reason to buy guns, I predict a run on gun shows and churches all over the country. Sen. Clinton isn't copying anyone. She noted Sen. Obama's elitism before John McCain, but if he actually wins the nomination, won't the Republicans have fun with this. There is just a Treasure Trove of goodies waiting for them and as a longtime admirer of Sen. Clinton, I can tell you it will hurt bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 04/13/2008

Yes, Barack Obama repeatedly speaks out of both sides of his mouth, depending on where
he is speaking. His lovely little speech in San Francisco shows how he visits the different areas
of the country and then passes judgement on the people there, and privately gossips about it.
""It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." The problem here is not that he said people are bitter, but that he then says that's why they cling to their guns and religion. As if when he becomes president, people won't have to have hobbies or religion, they will be so focused on him that that is all they will need in their lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 04/13/2008

What a silly comment. Do you actually believe the stuff you post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 04/13/2008

Yes, I do. Is that a problem for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 04/13/2008

We all know you dislike Obama and that he is not your choice for the Presidency of the United States, but let's be real. Senator Clinton lies. John McCain flip flops for political expediency, e.g Bush tax cuts and immigration. This is not talking out the side of his mouth. This is being honest.

Barack Obama, the next President of the United States, was responding to a question of why weren't blue collar American voting for him and was it because he was black. He said the major reasons for their antipathy towards his candidacy was not because he was black but because they were bitter at and frustrated by their government and that they felt left behind. His references to guns and religion highlighted the two topics politicians, namely Republicans, have used as wedge issues, such as immigration, gays in the military, gay marriage, and gun control, to bring blue collar workers to the polls.