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Bill Clinton Flashback: "All These Economically Insecure White People...Are Scared To Death"

April 13, 2008 02:41 PM


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Nico Pitney is National Editor at the Huffington Post. He was previously Deputy Research Director at the Center for American Progress and Managing Editor of ThinkProgress. He lives in Washington, DC, and has appeared on CNN, MSNBC, NPR, and the BBC. Nico can be reached at pitney@huffingtonpost.com.


As the rumination continues over Barack Obama's comments about economically-depressed small town voters, statements made by Bill Clinton on the same topic -- uttered while he was running for president in 1991 -- have now surfaced.

"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," Clinton was quoted saying by the Los Angeles Times in September 1991.

A couple months later, Joe Klein, writing for the Sunday Times, reported that Clinton made the following remarks:

"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'"

For comparison's sake, here is Obama's statement, reported by Mayhill Fowler for Huffington Post's OffTheBus:

Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter). [...]


But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

What do you think -- are they similar?

Update: Jason Linkins notes a statement from Harvard political scientist Theda Skocpol to Talking Points Memo, which reads in part:

I have been in meetings with the Clintons and their advisors where very clinical things were said in a very-detached tone about unwillingness of working class voters to trust government -- and Bill Clinton -- and about their unfortunate (from a Clinton perspective) proclivity to vote on life-style rather than economic issues. To see Hillary going absolutely over the top to smash Obama for making clearly more humanly sympathetic observations in this vein, is just amazing.

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We are bringing up Bill's 1991 lines and using them against Hillary?? Isnt this the very argument Obama talked about? Of why should he have to apologize for relations to a guy whose actions took place when he was 8 40 years ago? yet, here this very idiot poster is holding against Hillary something Bill said in 1991! SHe had no control over his speeches then. Talk about digging for dirt

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 04/21/2008

I now live in Central Illinois, which is a lot like Central Pennsylvanis where I used to live. I have a son now living in fly-over Indiana. What Barack Obama said was right on the money. Clinton's complaint about "bitter" is foolish. Would she like it better if he had just said that since they have been lied to so much, they can't believe any promises from our candidates? She doesn't like thas word "cling." Would "hold fast onto" have pleased her more? And how come she is talking so much about church going? She doesn't do it a lot herself. And guns? She can't recall the last time she touched one. And recall that the problem really began with the economy and lost jobs? NAFTA, anyone? And it came to resentment of those taking the jobs. Not a pretty sentiment, but ubderstandable. Rather than complain about bsomeone noticing it, wouldn't it be better to join his effort to lead people away from resentments like that by getting them to see why the jobs left, who were the deciders in that operation, what was involved? The villains are not the impoverished Mexicans who got the jobs lost by Galesburgers when Maytag moved. The voters should see as the villains those politicians who refuse to address the realities of the situation. And especially those who seek to obscure it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 04/17/2008

I am not all that sure that Bush was trying to divide people along racial lines; I have seen evidence of the Clintons trying to do so or pandering to bigotry. I do not think bigotry has anything to do with economic level. Ferraro is hardly poor, nor is Gloria Steinem or Pat Buchanan to name a few. I would add Ron Paul who claims he is not a bigot, but his Storm Front allegiance leads me to think otherwise. Obama's very first message was about not being a black America, Latino, Asian, white, Republican, Democrat, blue/red states, but a United States of America. His voter base does cut across all ethnic, gender, religious and political ideology lines. He has complete opposites on issues of gun control, abortion, illegal immigration agreeing to disagree on the chance of getting a more people oriented government. Elected officials doing our bidding rather than dictating to us. It is the Clintons who are playing divide and conquer and I must say doing a grand job of it. Obama's first message was: My father was from Kenya, my mother was from Kansas. Not my father was black and my mother was white. The press and others turned it into: Is America ready for a black president and all that followed. It is sad that in 2008 skin color is an issue.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 04/17/2008

Lets not forget,.. that is was old man Bush, that drew up the NAFTA deal, and it was Bill Clinton that passed it and the most favored nation treaty with Communist China, throwing millions of middle class factory workers out of good paying jobs.
Proving that Bill Clinton was the "Manchurian Candidate" and a Republican, too.
Then the monkey pushed more trade deals on us.
Hillary will continue to make this a one world government, with more trade deals, once elected. Unions have gone from 33% to 7%,..... thanks to these two families!
In the past recessions the government cut taxes and the Federal Reserve cut interest rates to get the people to buy, thus causing the factories to re-hire it's laid off workers and hire new employees, bring the recession to an end. Now take the factories out of the equation, the have gone to Communist China.
This will be a depression , not a recession, thanks to the Bush and Clinton families!
All three candidates are members of the CFR!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 04/17/2008

Bravo, Mr. Pitney! Let's recall Rev. Wright was a US Marine in OUR uniform, in a unit of black-white marines who depend on eachother to survive. If he feels so disappointed in America that he uses his pulpit to speak freely on how we brought 9/11 on ourselves-- as a surviver of 9/11-- I defend his right to speak his mind and don't hold it against Obama because he did what few of us did: SERVE HIS COUNTRY IN THE MOST DANGEROUS JOB THAT MOST FLAG WAIVERS EVADE-- A MARINE!!

Rev. Wright spoke up from the pulpit instead of joining Farakan or Black Panthers or some drug gang. Obama admired that, DESPITE it all, Wright found Jesus and criticized America harshly out of love, NOT OUT OF HATE. Bill Clinton was in Moscow Square demonstrating with Communists against our Vietnam War after evading the Draft...then became President. So how does he now use Wright as case-in-point for Obama's disqualification?

An overextended campaign is now seeking to catch public attention through rage. Bill knows that and Hillary submits to his expertise in how to get nominated through skulduggery. But here their past experience comes in: we all saw them pulling this crap for eight years!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 04/16/2008

When Obama spoke he spoke about people behind their backs he didn't mean to I am sure. It was a closed fundraiser so he never thought anyone would else would hear what he said or didn't even realize it could be viewed that way. When Obama was talking he used words like them and they.

When Clinton spoke he said it to the people and he used words like we and us. He talked about being from the south and being one of the people. He was showing that he was in the fight with them.

Obama leaving himself out was probably the biggest difference I can see between what the two men said. If Obama would have gave the same speech in Penn and included himself as one of the people that was Bitter no one could call him elitists and he would not have anything to explain.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 04/16/2008

Chitown46: Obama was replying to a very specific question about people in Pennsylvania. Perhaps he should have shrugged his shoulders and quoted Governor Rendell to answer it. Because I lived in small town PA for 15 years, I would say that would be the plain unvarnished truth. If you watched any of the PA road trip speeches Obama gave, you would find he mentioned most all of the same things~frustrations over factories closing down and such. The difference was in bringing up 3 reasons why people vote Republican, Huckabee and Romney, instead of any Democrat.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 04/17/2008

Bill Clinton:
"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them.

Obama:

You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 04/16/2008

Fool!, why would Barack be bitter, he maid $4 million last year. So how could he be "one of those"? Why does it bother white people in America to find out that they are a race like any other racial group. We black folks have been called "them" and "those" people all of our lives. Hey, join the human race. Let's elect the best person, the elite of the bunch.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 04/17/2008

Hillary can still salvage something from this mess: she can accuse Obama of plagiarism. Chutzpah never disappoints.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 04/16/2008

I see it's open season on white people once again.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/16/2008

Sounds like another white middle-aged white man. It's difficult to let go of a party that's over 90% white, and whose candidates do not bother to attend Presidential debates run by black people. As Newt explained it, why bother - "they" aren't going to vote for the Republican party after all. The sight of McCain saying "sorry" in Memphis for opposing MLK all his life shows how pathetic this party of whites really is. Anything for a vote!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 04/16/2008

Are you serious? Did you read Obama's statement? At what point did he mention "white people"? I think you misread Bill Clinton's statement taken from comments made when he was running again Bush Sr.

Why so sensitive? I hope you have noticed that the economic conditions described by Obama and the level of "bitterness" with all things government transcend "race"!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 04/16/2008

Hey, whites are getting bent out of shape about Obamas remarks, not blacks. Why do you suppose that is? I haven't seen one black person upset over those remarks...why???

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 04/17/2008

Face it, Bill Clinton makes $250,000 every time he is hired to speak. If his wife becomes president these dollars will continue, if not, then they drop. This is not about the White House for the Clintons, this is about their pocket book. Bill Clinton understands what Barak Obama is saying, he is just acting like George Bush and pointing out we do not want someone in the white house that actually understands what is going on in the country.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 04/16/2008

Wow. That's pretty cynical, isn't it? I mean, if you're going to bash the Clintons for being self-serving, clueless scumbags, let's take it across the boards and slam Obama, too. It's not like we're putting a great person in office. Those people didn't have the money to campaign. So we're left with these 3.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 04/16/2008

And TWO of them are a hell of a lot better than the ONE we have now!!! Can you guess which 2 I'm talking about? I'll give you a HINT: It's NOT MCCAIN!!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 04/16/2008

LOL, Nita!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 04/16/2008

On the issue of economic insecurity back when I came across this from 1996.

The Democratic Socialists of America Present
The First Chicago Town Meeting on Economic Insecurity

EMPLOYMENT AND SURVIVAL IN URBAN AMERICA
a discussion of policy, problems, and possibilities

with

WILLIAM JULIUS WILSON,
Director, Center for the Study of Urban Inequality at the University
of Chicago

MICHAEL DAWSON,
Professor of Political Science, University of Chicago

BARACK OBAMA,
Candidate, State Senate, 13th Legislative District

TONI PRECKWINKLE,
4th Ward Alderman

JOSEPH SCHWARTZ,
Professor of Political Science, Temple University

SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 25TH
7:00pm
Ida Noyes Hall, Cloyster Club
1313 E. 59th Street, Chicago

Sponsored by:
*University of Chicago Democrats
*Chicago Democratic Socialists of America
*University of Chicago Democratic Socialists of America

For more information call:

University of Chicago Democratic Socialists, 312-955-6371

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 04/16/2008

"Justice Jim"s message was simply the latest version of an old southern song sung to white voters in times of economic and social uncertainty: You"re good, decent, God-fearing people; "they"re" threatening your way of life; you don"t have to change, it"s all their fault; elect me and I"ll stand up for you just as you are and kick the hell out of them. The perennial political divide, Us versus Them. It was mean, ugly, and ultimately self-defeating for the people who bought it, but as we still see, when people feel discontented and insecure it often works." Bill Clinton, "My Life"

"In Michigan, I visited the small town of Barton, near Flint, where a large majority of the residents had come from Arkansas, looking for jobs in the auto industry. On March 12, I spoke in Macomb County, near Detroit, the prototypical home of the Reagan Democrats, voters who had been lured away from our party by Reagan"s anti-government, strong-defense, tough-on-crime message. In fact, these suburban voters had begun voting Republican in the 1960s, because they thought the Democrats no longer shared their values of work and family, and were too concerned with social programs, which they tended to see as taking their tax money and giving it to blacks and wasteful bureaucrats." Bill Clinton, "My Life"

there's some more

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 04/16/2008

Shhh.... thou shalt not expose the Clintons for the hypocrites they are... in the real world, that's just good reporting, but in Hillary-land, you've committed a mortal sin by exposing their inconsistencies and untruths!

BTW, Bill Richardson did NOT LIE! To continue to say he did is a reason for the superdelegates to NOT trust the Clintons or anyone to do with them. He made it EXPLICITLY clear that he didn't lie. To trust the word of people consistency caught lying, over Richardson, is ridiculous.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 04/16/2008

I totally agree.

Speaking of Bill Clinton. Not picked up by Huffington Post or any other media outlet that I can see is the REAL reason the Clintons and James Carville were so mad a Bill Richardson for endorsing Obama.

Richardson LURED Bill Clinton to New Mexico, away from the campaign trail, to FUNDRAISE for him, with the assurance that he would endorse Hillary.

This from Mary Matalin on Imus last Friday morning. Here is an audio link, on my blog.

http://jammerbirdi.wordpress.com/

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 04/16/2008

Mary Matalin and James Carville say something and that's proof? Even when I supported his candidate I knew Carville was full of it. It's a wonder to me that he and Matalin still have people listening to them. They are both only skilled in the politics of the old Louisiana wards. There's nothing about getting a message out with either of them. It's all about tearing other people down. Carville's just nervous people are going to be sick of him if Clinton doesn't win.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 04/16/2008

this site is really a hate hillary site now.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 04/16/2008

Or does the TRUTH hurt? It seems as though both parties have members who are delusional.

Not for nothing, did you live in the US during the Clinton years? Hate? You have not seen anything if Hillary STEALS both the primary and general elections.

She would have to steal them BOTH because hell would freeze over BEFORE she wins. The US is ready for a woman president but why PICK someone with the MOST NEGATIVES? It does not make sense and the Democrats are STUPID and need to get their heads out of the clouds or just hand McCain the keys to whitehouse and supreme court!

Now, if it were Hillary against David Duke, Democrats win.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/16/2008

Two words: Mayhill Fowler.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 04/16/2008

I have watched for 5 straight days now this "bitter" comment and I see this as a last ditch effort by the Clinton campaign and certain media hawks who want to cover a brokered convention, as ludicrous. The real question is why haven't they asked what Obama was responding to (the question). Wasn't it Huffington Post that asked the question in the first place? Even Gov. Rendell said that it was going to be tough for Obama to get small town white folks to vote for him. Why aren't the media hawks asking him what did he mean by that statement? Why are we (as Americans) so easy to buy into the "fear" tactic that can be used at the drop on a hat? I am a high school World History teacher and we are at the point right after WWII where the Soviets have developed the bomb. My students are now understanding why it was so easy to create fear into the American psyche, especially after seeing what the bomb dropped at Hiroshima did. Obama has said that he will need everyone of us to pull off a successful administration, let's pull together and stop this idiocy.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 04/15/2008

Very well said and I wonder about the answer to the same questions. I'm beginning to understand what the white man said yesterday when he made reference to elitism coming across to him as being "uppity". What Sen. Obama has said about religion, guns, anti-immigration has not been said before, but it was by someone who was white so I guess it's okay. Those who are pressing the point are really beginning to cross the line. The message I'm beginning to get is "how dare someone who is black speak to me that way, who do he think he is? This is 2008, but apparently there are still whites who believe that blacks and other non-whites are okay as long as they stay in their place. This is so disheartening, especially when so many "faked the funk" in commemorating Dr. Rev. King Jr. What a slap in the face. I cannot, but help remember the words of Frederick Douglass, who said "I didn't know I was a slave until I found out I couldn't do the things I wanted." What a message to give to our young and the world.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 04/16/2008

I too, am seeing a parallel between post 9-11 U.S and the witch hunts of the 50's.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 04/16/2008

How do you think the Reagan Democrats came about because he appealed with things such as cutting welfare and ending Affirmatve Action programs which are code name for Women and Minorities. There is a reason why most people in PA dont seem to think the comments are a big deal. Probably cause they've heard it before or guess what there is truth to it. I bet that is what Obama meant with that Annie Oakely comment when he said Hilary Knows better. But instead she saw this as an opportunity and she played it to the hilt even lumping in Al Gore. How anyone can think a AA man who is a democrat is an eletist is beyond me. If AA were elitist they would likely be REPUBLICANS. But as usual the democrats let the republicans define them define their party. Its truly pathetic how wussy the democrats are.

Carol

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 04/15/2008

Hillary Clinton's attacks on Obama are actually good for him, and for the Democratic Party. His heart is in the right place, he's describing problems we're facing. The more they try to make him look bad, the more people like me take the time to listen to him and realize he's the only candidate who really supports us. Fact is, everyone makes mistakes in communication, and the more that happens now, the better the Obama team will handle the same or similar problems when he faces swift boat attacks by Republicans. Most Americans are fed up with Washington and the status quo. Middle class workers are falling out of the middle class and working people all over the country are struggling with the economy. The Yes We Can movement is as much about the rest of us wanting to take back our government as it is about Obama's candidacy. Yeah,I"m bitter all right. But Obama"s race gives me more hope than I"ve ever had in my country. Change is coming. Run Barack Run!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 04/15/2008

The Fool with the Hill

Day after day,
Along with the Hill,
The man with the foolish grin is lying perfectly.... still,
And nobody wants to show him,
They can see that he's just a tool,
But he never gives a straight answer,
But the tool with the Hill
Sees the fun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world sinning 'round.

Well on his way, head in a cloud,
The man with the empty mind is babbling perfectly loud
But nobody deems to hear him,
For they know that he's just a tool
And no one will go quite near him
But the fool with the Hill
Sees the fun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world sinning 'round.

And nobody wants to know him
For they think that he's just a tool
for he never gives a straight answer
But the fool with the Hill
Sees the fun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world sinning 'round.

And nobody wants to go near him
'cause they see that he's just a tool
for he never gives a straight answer
But the fool with the Hill
Sees the fun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world sinning 'round.

woah ooh,
Round and round and round.

He never listens to them,
He's a tool
The fool with the Hill
Sees the fun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world sinning 'round.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 04/15/2008

I'm on this mission to seek answers. I'm going to continue until somebody gives me a response from the powers that be.

Why can't we get the TRUTH OUT OF OUR MEDIA?
Why do they LIE TO US AND THINK WE DON'T KNOW IT?
Why are they covering for THE CLINTONS"
Why do they pick every chance to throw Obama under the bus?
Why do they hate their own CITIZENS, families, neighbors, acquaintances, friends, all those who are not getting the truth?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 04/15/2008

We can't get the truth out of our media because it isn't OUR media. It's bought and paid for by corporate America. The money comes from advertisers and advertisers pay big money when the ratings are up. Television stations, newspapers and radio stations aren't owned by the little guy so what makes you think that it's going to be the kind of media you want?

If you aren't happy with MSM, why are you watching? Do you think that if you sit there long enough, there won't be some sort of spin or skewed view of what or who you're seeing? It takes a hell of a lot of reading and researching to get to the truth and maybe that's not a bad thing.

30 second sound bites are all you're going to find on MSM. Dig deeper and the truth can b