Compassion Forum On CNN: Clinton, Obama Square Off

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At the Compassion Forum, Hillary Clinton commented on Obama's remarks about economically-depressed voters, saying they seemed "elitist, out of touch and, frankly, patronizing," and pointed to what she described as a perception of Al Gore and John Kerry that they "did not really understand or relate to or frankly respect their ways of life."

i do think it raises a lot of concerns, and we've seen that exhibited in the last several days, by people here in Pennsylvania, in Indiana where I was yesterday, and elsewhere, because it did seem so much in line with what often we are charged with. Someone goes to a closed door fund-raiser in San Francisco and makes comments that do seem elitist, out of touch and, frankly, patronizing. That has nothing to do with him being a good man or a man of faith. We had two very good men and men of faith run for president in 2000 and 2004. But large segments of the electorate concluded that they did not really understand or relate to or frankly respect their ways of life.

Watch it:

Barack Obama also spoke about the reaction to his remarks at the San Francisco fundraiser:

Watch the exchange with CNN's Campbell Brown:

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CNN is airing a "Compassion Forum," featuring the first back-to-back appearances from Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton since Obama's remarks about economically-depressed small town voters were reported. Here's a description of the event from Messiah College in Grantham, Pennsylvania, where the event is being held:

Messiah College has been selected to host The Compassion Forum, an unprecedented bipartisan presidential candidate forum dedicated to discussing pressing moral issues that bridge ideological divides within our nation. Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama have accepted the invitation to participate in the Forum. Senator John McCain has thus far declined the invitation, which is still open. The Compassion Forum is scheduled for 8 p.m. on Sunday, April 13, in Brubaker Auditorium, and will be covered by mainstream media and religious media outlets alike. CNN is the exclusive broadcaster of The Compassion Forum and will televise and stream the event live from 8-9:30 p.m.


The Church Communication Network (CCN) will broadcast the event to tens of thousands of people of faith in at least 1,000 congregations nationwide on April 20, the Sunday evening before the Pennsylvania primary.

Now more than ever, Americans motivated by faith are bridging ideological divides to address domestic and international poverty, global AIDS, climate change, genocide in Darfur, and human rights and torture. The Compassion Forum will provide the opportunity for candidates to discuss how their faith and moral convictions bear on their positions on these important issues.

The Compassion Forum will be a unique and unprecedented event. Each candidate will participate in a separate substantive conversation. This will not be a debate. Questions will be posed by co-moderators Jon Meacham, editor of "Newsweek," and Campbell Brown, anchor of CNN's Election Center.

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Hello boys and girls Hillary is going to teach us a new word today, the word is ELITIST -- can you you say Elitist boys and girls.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 04/14/2008

Hillary Clinton the new Mr. Rodgers -- she's taught us all a new word "elitist". Can you say ELITIST boys and girls?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 04/14/2008

Hey, Working class folks of America
stop thinking that the Republicans are going to
save your butts when and if you decide to vote
for John McCain. You'll still end up with no jobs
in your communities, you'll have to send you kids
off to win a war where the folks in whatever country
your in don't want your asses, and Blue Collar folks, the gas is still
going to go up. But that won't matter if there aren't any jobs to drive to anyway.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 04/14/2008

This reminds me of a situation I had -

About two months ago before my state voted, a long ago friend evangelized to me about Obama. When I responded with my passion for Hillary as the best President at this time in history - he responded by saying -

Are you bitter and frustrated?

Ha*.........That's when I knew this was a religious movement and anyone not voting for Obama would be blamed as morally deficient. It is an attitude that is acceptable in those religious people in ties who knock on the door with their bibles. It is not acceptable in an election. It wasn't acceptable in 2000 and 2004 when the religious right took over the Republican Party and it isn't acceptable when the religious left is taking over the Democratic Party in 2008.

These are Obama's words - bitter and frustrated! Remember them.

When anyone uses them on you - run away! Or shut the door! Or say - I already have my own church!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 04/14/2008

Well its is good to know you base such important decisions on what your friend said and not on facts or reality!

And then you take your obvious lack of thought and smear up blogs with it. Excellent!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 04/14/2008

you are truly a caricature - the BS that you and your sister stand on are pathetic - here's something for you to defend

TRIP to Africa with Wilson - never happened

Peace Treaty in Ireland - Nobel Prize winner says she's a wee bit silly

Bosnia Sniper Fire - Well we all saw the three times she supposedly had lack of sleep and misspoke the same fantasy.

NAFTA - she was for the sending of our jobs to canada and mexico, as is evidenced in the WH schedules.

CAFTA - her chief strategist and her husband have both taken money from Colombia to promote sending MORE of our jobs to foreign countries.

please defend these points and stop playing the Rove game by pointing to the opposition - just answer the damned questions.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 04/14/2008

The elitest in this country are no longer the educated "upper class". It is now a bad thing to be intelligent and free thinking. The new elitest are the christian right wing and their ilk. They claim to be the "true and choosen Amercians". That is elitest if you ask me. They are the elitest who think that they are entitled to some kind of recognition of their religious beliefs. As if anyone cares. Not only is that elitest but arrogant.

Nobody recognizes my beliefs as a ahteist, yes beliefs, atheism is the belief that there is no higher power and the belief that proper evidence is required to claim such a thing. Intelligence, free thinking and reason are now demonized. This is how they divide. Us vs them. Make middle America think that the "elitest" are out to get them. The truth is that the same people who call others elitest are usually the "truly elite" AKA wealthy. They just pull a switch-a-roo on us. Political magicians.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 04/14/2008

Sweet one...trust me...there is NO "christian right wing" or "christian left wing"

Government is ONE...the projected image is there are two sides...that keeps people busy going against each other...left / right...Democrats / Republicans. Doesn't matter !!!

The government of this country, and other countries, have been uniting for a very, very long time. It is just about complete...call it New World Order...One World Order...doesn't matter.

With people like you and me, it will always be Us vs them...this is somewhat officially a "Christian nation"...freethinkers will be ostracised till the end of time, I'm afraid !!!

B.B.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 04/14/2008

Every time I think it's impossible for me to dislike this women anymore than I already do she manages to prove me wrong. It's to the point I can't even look at a picture of her and scowl. The women hasn't an ounce of integrity. She never misses an opportunity to take cheap nasty shots does she.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 04/14/2008


The elephant in the room during the Forum attended by religious leaders was Hillary's penchant for lying. Isn't lying considered a sin? Why was the elephant not addressed?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 04/14/2008

because Obama has had his share of lies to.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 04/14/2008

Because CNN likes Clinton and doesn't like to do anything that might contradict her version of reality.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 04/14/2008

Oh boo hoo. Once again the victim?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 04/14/2008

What is with you? Don't you have something constructive to say?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 04/14/2008

The lyrics as promised:

"On the turning away
From the pale and downtrodden
And the words they say
Which we wont understand
Don't accept that whats happening
Is just a case of others suffering
Or you'll find that you're joining in
The turning away

Its a sin that somehow
Light is changing to shadow
And casting its shroud
Over all we have known
Unaware how the ranks have grown
Driven on by a heart of stone
We could find that were all alone
In the dream of the proud

On the wings of the night
As the daytime is stirring
Where the speechless unite
In a silent accord
Using words you will find are strange
And mesmerized as they light the flame
Feel the new wind of change
On the wings of the night

No more turning away
From the weak and the weary
No more turning away
From the coldness inside
Just a world that we all must share
Its not enough just to stand and stare
Is it only a dream that there'll be
No more turning away?"

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 04/14/2008

As I listen to and read about Obama...not simply the man himself, but also the spirit he has fomented among the nation, I am reminded of the lyrics to the song "On the Turning Away" by Pink Floyd. I list them in a following post to illustrate the feelings I've been having, and leave them for the deliberation of all. And I guess I also want to express that I realize, and by the admission of the man himself, that Obama is a flawed vessel. Truly, we are all flawed vessels...and often our inadequacies and weaknesses prevent us from the good we might have done and may yet accomplish. Yet at the same neither we nor Obama are inadequate vessels and can indeed accomplish great things. I see that spirit in him, and I admire him specifically for the sake that he rekindles that spirit in myself. I reiterate, he is imperfect, and if we look hard enough we will find time to discover such imperfections in each one of us....but I am compelled by the better angels of our nature to invest in this man and this candidate. That may not persuade everyone, and I certainly know its not a formal argument or an appeal based on evidence. That may be for another time, and I do have more concrete reasons for liking Obama, but let it be for now.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 04/14/2008

To ask voters to put religion, and guns, first over their economic interests is a corporate wet dream (see Hillary, McCain). Voting against your own economic interests is a major reason for the economic decline for the past 25 years of the middle class, (see Greider, Phillips and Frank).

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 04/14/2008

Who's asking anybody to put religion and guns "first?"

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 04/14/2008

Get a clue, "TransCendentalist"! That's exactly what Obama was alluding to in his comments,---the callous, calculated use of those "wedge issues", like religion, guns, gays, immigrants---by the Republicans and now Hillary to draw blue collar voters to the polls to vote for them and against their own best interests. Those same voters, who flocked to the polls the past eight years to vote against some ballot issue like "gay marriage" are the same ones who are now having to park their trucks because the cost of a barrel of oil has gone from $28 to $110 during the same time; their health insurance costs have tripled or more due to the greed of Insurance/drug companies; they're losing their house because of unregulated Wall Street regulators; their streets and schools are threatened by guns in the wrong hands; and we're all stuck in a war without end! Why, -- because someone voted Republican due to "gay marriage" or some other "wedge issue"!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/14/2008

So true...and so dad.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 04/14/2008

What a crock. His words are public knowledge. Spin away, it doesn't change what he said, and obviously felt, or he wouldn't have said it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 04/14/2008

The lack of reading comprehension skills denotes a cognitive deficit.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 04/14/2008

How long did it take to come up with that facile little observation??

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 04/14/2008

I've concluded, based on your eagerness to find the worst in Obama, that you, trans, are a Rethug troller. How else to explain the deliberate "misunderstanding" of Obama's intent.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 04/14/2008

You know jstock, your post is a good example of how condescending and arrogant Obamians are. So if I don't favor your candidate, that makes me a republican troll???

Do you know what the phrase, "New Electorate," means??? You're supposed to be different, compassionate, unifying, building a better America.
You aren't going to do it by calling Hillary supporters republican trolls.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 04/14/2008

Oh boo hoo. I've been voting dem my whole life. Starting in 1972. And you?

Deliberate misunderstanding of Obama's intent?? I think it is Obamians like you who aren't getting the message.
Obama talks about a "new electorate." Do you know what he means by that???
He says he's going to bring us all together. Yet his fans are some of the nastiest, dishonest people here. Just like the old electorate.
He says he brings change, but his are the same old, same old.
You have to make a conscious effort to help bring about the change you say you desire. You won't do it by attaking Hillary supporters. Does that help?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 04/14/2008

Did I ask you anything?? Do I care? No, I do not.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 04/14/2008

Such vehemence. What have you transcended? Perhaps rational thought? Do you think this helps the debate?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 04/14/2008

You call that vehemence??? Too funny.

What are babbling about???

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 04/14/2008

Uhm...that is what this whole thing is about.

What Obama was -actually- talking about was how these people -vote- against their own economic interests. They do not beleive that politicians will keep economic promises, so they vote on the basis of cultural and religious issues.

The whole quote, had you bothered to listen to it in context, was talking about their voting patterns, not lifestyle. THAT is why it is such a distortion.

I don't know if you knew that or not, but I would hope that you inform yourself from here on out.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 04/14/2008

Thank you Aleka for 'actually' telling us what Obama 'actually' says cause he ain't doing it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 04/14/2008

Don't you love it when condescending Obamians tell you what the person, "really," said? Like we need a play by play analysis. Talk about elitists. Sorry, had to say it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 04/14/2008

He's clarified his initial remarks more than once now, people, and they were the truth. Hillary's behavior is very telling. She is showing me a side of her that I thought was only a figment of the GOP's twisted imaginations until very recently. Those who continue to misrepresent and mischaracterize Obama are doing so knowingly and intentionally. Sick!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 04/14/2008

He said the words Hillary said he said (I'm geting dizzy). He did call the people of PA bitter and clinging to guns and religion...etc. What part of that don't you understand???
Man, some of you Obamians are as bad as the fundies.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 04/14/2008

You do realizer that you are just making yourself look silly right?

If it is obvious to everyone but you what he was talking about, don't you then have to wonder what you missed?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 04/14/2008

Well he did -actually- tell us what he -actually- said. He clarified the comments that very day. Perhaps you did not see the clip?

Or is it that it suits you to not notice that he's been taken out of context?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 04/14/2008

Oh bullshit. You Obamians (not all) always say that. It's your panacea for any possible screw up by Obama. You can't even be honest with yourselves, and that's the real shame.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 04/14/2008
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