"Snob-ama Is Not Just Out of Touch, He's From Another Planet"

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This is how the Republicans are trying to define Barack Obama: Too Liberal, Too Out of Touch.

"I know what makes people there 'bitter.' It's slick-talking politicians who look down on their beliefs and values." Michael Goodwin wrote in Sunday's Daily News about his small town in Pennsylvania.

The well-circulated quotes from Huffington Post -- of Obama telling a closed, well-heeled fundraiser that people in small towns in Pennsylvania are bitter and cling to religion and guns out of frustration -- have created a dangerous firestorm.

This brouhaha exposes an existing political vulnerability -- the perception of an elitist Obama. He will be tagged as the Harvard-trained candidate of the young and educated. The Republicans managed to stick a similarly crippling perception on the candidacies of Michael Dukakis and John Kerry.

And the Democrats didn't stand a chance.

The Democrats have not lost elections because they are out of step with the white working class Catholic vote -- the key swing vote -- on economic or foreign policy issues... they have lost because of cultural issues -- "God, guns, gays, abortion and the flag."

And this is going to be a real problem for Barack Obama. Not so much in the nomination struggle, but in the general election.

"It's arrogance on steroids, fueled by a secular elitist view of Middle America as filled with ignorant red-necks," wrote Goodwin. Come November, the Republicans are going to cram this perception of Obama down the throats of voters.

Remember, the only Democrats who have been elected president since John Kennedy have been southern moderates.

There is nothing wrong with what Obama said. It's all true and very perceptive. It follows a Marxist economic view that religious faith is rooted in economic anxiety. Obama is not a Marxist. There is a lot of anger and bitterness in small town America today. But when you are running for President you can't say this kind of stuff.

A gaffe is when a politician tells the truth, as Michael Kinsley wrote in the Guardian 16 years ago. You can't be a coolly academic political sociologist. In the heat of battle, the last thing you can tell voters is the truth.

Voters, ravaged by economic upheaval, don't want to hear the truth.

Michigan primary voters didn't want John McCain telling them that their old manufacturing jobs are not coming back. So, instead, in January, they cast their votes for rival Mitt Romney, who offered them bromides.

America is coming into some rough economic times: you have to keep it simple.... Stupid!

The Republicans are going to seize these issues and whoever is the Democratic nominee is going to have to play along.

You can't tell the voters in Rust Belt America that you are not going to make everything all right ....like it was before.

If you are a politician, you have to promise them that you are going to bring back the factories and the high paying jobs. You have to tell them that you will build a wall on the Mexican border to keep out all those illegal immigrants who are taking their jobs..... even if it's not true.

And you have to promise to gut the free trade agreements like NAFTA. You don't dare mention that you really can't do this because the treaties are signed, and if you did Canada would stop sending us their oil and natural gas.

You don't tell them that if we closed our borders to all the foreign goods coming in from China, prices would skyrocket at Wal-Mart and the Chinese wouldn't buy our wheat and farm products and our farmers would go crazy.

You gotta keep it simple. Blame the immigrants, the Canadians, the Mexicans, the Chinese, Al Qaeda, Iran..... Blame anyone, blame everyone, but make sure that finger is pointing away from American soil.

Jimmy Carter made this mistake in his 1976 "Malaise" speech, in which he admonished American "self-indulgence and consumption." It proved to be a fatal blow to his presidency -- and he lost his reelection bid.

I have admired Obama's ability to talk in inspiring generalities about Hope and Change, without getting into specifics, but he seems to have stumbled this time.

It would be sheer folly to expect complete honesty from politicians during an election, much less during a nominating process.

You can't really be a good politician, or a good president, without being somewhat of a morally flawed human being. The too-good-for-this-world politicians -- George McGovern, Barry Goldwater, Adlai Stevenson, Michael Dukakis, Jimmy Carter -- have had an annoying habit of losing elections.

Americans know they need a president with a different skill-set: someone who will take care of them and their needs but is not too fastidious to do what it takes to win.

A Presidential candidate shouldn't have the same opinions and concerns during the primaries as he has in the general election ... or during governing -- that would be stupid.

Campaigning politicians are expected to charm and cajole relevant constituencies, to pander, to bob and weave, and to continually cobble together disparate interest groups. These are the skills - making political moves and having the capacity and courage for bold, persistent experimentation - an effective president will need.

Good presidents should have an agenda - a strategic vision, a fundamental core of beliefs, ideas, and a burning passion; but they should also be pragmatic, flexible, cunning and be able to demonstrate the capacity to grow and change.

This should be our modus operandi when picking a president. We should judge a candidate on what, we believe, he (or she) is really going to do when he (or she) becomes president, and not by whatever gibberish they have to spout to win the nomination.

We need to pick a president who is going to be able to deal artfully with a complicated, dangerous geopolitical situation. Someone who can forge a coalition of Arab states that will make it possible for the U.S. to get out of Iraq ...who can create an international climate that dries up anti-American terrorism...who can win over the Europeans and the Asians...who can preserve and restore American hegemony, without being a bully...and who can nimbly confront the coming economic maelstrom.

It doesn't really matter who opposed the Iraq war first. This has nothing to do with what we need for our future safety and prosperity. What matters is which candidate has the depth and dexterity to get us out of one of the stickiest and scariest situations America has ever faced. The maneuvering is going to take a deft and delicate hand.

These skills are, coincidentally, similar to the skills that it takes to get the nomination.

You have to win the nomination first, and do whatever it takes, then you can think about what kind of campaign you want to run in the general election, how you want to govern, and what you want to, and can, accomplish.

The history of the great presidents of yesteryear has shown that campaign themes/promises and subsequent governing often have little to do with one another.

Nor would we want them to.

All of our great presidents have shown -- for lack of a better phrase -- a great deal of "ideological malleability" and pragmatism.

Thomas Jefferson reviled public debt so much that in 1798 he proposed a constitutional amendment that would have prevented the federal government from borrowing. But in 1803, when presented with the opportunity to drastically increase the size of the United States by purchasing vast swaths of land known as the Louisiana Purchase, Jefferson quickly abandoned his fears about borrowing.

During the campaign of 1860, Abraham Lincoln persistently promised not to interfere with slavery in the Southern states. But when the Southern states declared their independence, Lincoln soon issued the Emancipation Proclamation, freeing slaves in states that had seceded from the Union.

Franklin D. Roosevelt's 1932 campaign was based on his pledge to cut taxes as a way to deal with the Great Depression. He did nothing of the sort of course. His opponent, Herbert Hoover, tagged him as a "chameleon in plaid," but FDR went on to become one of our greatest presidents by increasing taxes and spending.

In 1960, John F. Kennedy ran on a platform that shamelessly exploited fears that the U.S. had fallen grievously behind in the arms race against the Soviet Union-- the Phantom Missile Gap. We hadn't, of course, as later became obvious.

Lyndon B. Johnson pandered to his conservative southern roots during the 1960 election and yet, as president, he pushed through the most extensive civil rights reforms ever enacted.

The first rule in politics is: if you don't succeed in the short run, there will be no long run.

Somehow the voters knew, when these wannabe presidents were running, that they were tough enough, nimble enough, and artfully pragmatic enough to successfully negotiate some of the thorniest problems this country has ever faced: Slavery and Rebellion, the Great Depression, World War II, the threat from Communism, and the Civil Rights struggle.

Candidates with uncompromising ideals, who promise a new kind of politics, are very appealing. But ultimately, politicians who practice compromise and calculated obfuscation tend to be our most successful presidents. Had these great presidents clung steadfastly and bull-headedly to their campaign positions, our country would be far worse off.

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My God. Blake, and I mean this with all due respect and sincerity, were you ever under the impression, even for a few seconds as you were typing this article, that you were in any way being clever?

Did you even for a moment believe that your ideas and "analysis" of Obama were anything but silly, transparent, vapid, morally compromised, and possibly even a sign of some sort of horrible post "realization that Hillary is an utterly sold out, desperate, unmitigated disaster" traumatic stress disorder on your part?

Certainly I hope that you don't interpret this as some sort of a personal attack, but rather only one of your Ideas as they are expressed here and the manner in which they seem to suggest an almost child like mendacity, utter lack of vision or principle, and possible mental illness on your part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 AM on 04/15/2008

So, Blake, it is better to lie in defense of the truth? Or are you channeling Karl Rove now?

Get this--it's not a game. And the American people are tired of being lied to--for our "own good" or anyone elses. We're all grownups here--we can handle the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 04/15/2008

Acting against our own self-interest is part and parcel for Americans. We eat foods we know will kill us; we smoke; we drink and drive; we knowingly vote for politicians who systematically have reduced our security, increased our debt and made it tougher to get by. However, the rub is, the same people who complain we need to change this world for the better are the first ones who rebuke a candidate who uncharacteristically is speaking the truth -- not some skillful soundbyte that makes people feel warm and fuzzy inside.
While using the Waco, Texas, tragedy may not be the best, it does parallel this whole "bitter" nonsense: Extremely devout Christians will tell you they're awaiting the second coming of Jesus Christ; yet, those same people will denounce anyone who comes along and says he's the Second Coming. When seen through a political perspective, this means most people will complain about their stratified economy and out-of-touch government that doesn't understand how they really feel -- and when the politician of their "dreams" does come along and not mince words, and not placate, but says point-blank what that feeling truly is -- well...those same people deride him or her (Kucinich, anyone?).
What do you people really want? Is it easier just to complain and reject those people who truly wish to help: Kucinich, Obama, Edwards? Let's not cast our votes to spite our country any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 04/14/2008

I saw that movie, "Brother from another Planet".........didn't scare me like it appears it scared you.

What scares me, is the third war with Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 04/14/2008




Yeah, whats with references to another planet . Does he mean neighborhood? Or maybe continent.

The Monsters are Due on Maple Street Mr. Fleetwood.

Or maybe they're already there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 04/14/2008


Is anybody else looking forward to dealing directly with the GOP instead of their lite stand-ins?


The list of writers who are making themselves irrelevant for the general election is growing longer.

Hillary should have kept Bill off the campaign trail, and Democrats should consider seriously whether we should embrace the support of those intent on damaging our likely candidate.

I'd prefer logical fact-abiding supporters making the case for us.
The name-calling spinners have earned a long vacation (unpaid), just as we have earned a vacation from them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 04/14/2008

Mr. Fleetwood, I don't think the American people are prepared to be duped again. We're not that stupid.

NOT THIS TIME.

Obama 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 04/14/2008

You Hilary Clinton supporters really don't get it, do you? "Elitist-gate" is a disaster for Hillary of her own making. It's impossible for Hillary or her supporters to say the words "elitist" or "snobbish" without hurting Hillary's candidacy. Like it or not, Hillary is seen as cold, elitist, and snobbish. She'll never have that down-to-earth appeal with ordinary folk that her husband did. The more you guys say "elitist" or "snobbish", the more you remind voters why they don't like Hillary.

There was a small window, after Hillary's first loss to Obama, when she showed a moment of authenticity and warm humanity. She could have turned public perception of her had she embraced that candidness instead of returning to her practiced ways. Oh well, it's too late now. Far too late.

There really shouldn't be anything wrong with a smart person for President, even if he or she isn't the warmest personality in the room. Al Gore won the popular vote, after all. Who knows? Maybe even Hillary could have won despite being smart and cold. But not if she and her supporters try to point it out like it's a bad thing in others. It not only sounds stupid, but hypocritical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 04/14/2008

You can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 04/14/2008

Has anybody told her Hillaryship that there isn't a light version of elitism? Being a US Senator, wife of a former gov & POTUS & a number of Hillary Rodham Clintion's accomplishments, being born to & raised by a rich family place her among America's elite. HRC also has elitist attitudes. She shouldn't be surprised is somebody has collected & cataloged her elitist statments & circulates them. The same thing goes for recordings of her elitist statements. We will soon hear & see plenty of sound bites making elitist statements in Pa, NC & In.
In the event Sen Clinton has a photo op of her carrying a gun, hunting or engaging in shooting sports, check out her gun; it will be a high priced, well cared for by a gun bearer, premium quality fire harm. Check out her hunting clothes; don't be surprised to seeing her in custom made Orvis boots, well tailored & spotless Orvis or other top quality hunting clothes. Check out the site of HRC's hunting photo op; it will be at a private game farm or game preserve which caters to the wealthy elite with well fed game that are easy to shoot, guides, gun bearers, field butchering by experts, packing the well cleaned game in dry ice, delivery of the game to a site selected by HRC. She is one of America's elite DLC types.
If I weren't choking & vomiting in disgust when the faux-country girl puts Barack down as a prissy elitist,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 04/14/2008

Republicans win because of good, or bad depending on how you look at it, marketing. Nothing more nothing less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 04/14/2008

Well done... that's just about the most well crafted essay on why obama can't win in the fall that I've seen to date. The republican political dirty trickster's plan to destroy the democrats and their nominee has succeeded better than any of them could have imagined. Nurture the anti-Hillary candidate in the early stages of the process, all the while publicly declaring their ultimate wish and desire of facing off against her in the general election so that the left-wing crazies and bloggers, like lemmings pouring over the edge of the electoral chasm and their political doom, can point to them and fuel their orgiastic and suicidal bent. "See....", they say... "The republicans will feast on her carcass in the fall!". "It's Barrack, they fear!" Hasn't anyone here read the Uncle Remus story of Br'er Rabbit and the Briar Patch? It's Hilary that they don't want to face.... Say what you will about her, the people who believe in her will believe in her no matter what ANYONE says about her..... and, incidently, they're the same people who live in the states that Barrack just dismissed as "bitter"...( ouch! that's going to leave a nasty mark.).... you know, the ones that will turn the election this November. Well done, Karl et al.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 04/14/2008

You would prefer a right wing neocon opportunistic idiot like Hillary Clinton I suppose and then you will feel good knowing you would have two pigs wrestling in the mud in november.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 04/14/2008

What I'm getting out of this post is that Americans will vote against their own best interestes.

"Candidates with uncompromising ideals, who promise a new kind of politics, are very appealing. But ultimately, politicians who practice compromise and calculated obfuscation tend to be our most successful presidents."

Faulting Obama for telling the truth, or more accurately reflecting the views conveyed to him by the hundreds (thousands?) of people he's spoken with over the last year is why our country is worse off today. I would HOPE (there is that pesky word again) that Americans will realize that calculating politicians who will tell voters what they want to hear despite their past history are not the ones who will ultimately transform this country towards her great potential.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 04/14/2008

Mr. Fleetwood,

I've asked the same question for a while now, and I haven't gotten an answer. Perhaps YOU can answer me! Why do Senator Clinton's supporters keep feeling the need to insult Senator Obama or his supporters? I don't see very many Obama supporters come out and insult the intelligence of Hillary, or of those who will vote for her. By contrast, I'm always seeing Hillary supporters come out and say things like, "Obamabots," or "Saint Obama," or "Obama's disciples," or now "Snob-ama." And yet, I haven't seen a single one of those slurs directed at Hillary!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 04/14/2008

"I don't see very many Obama supporters come out and insult the intelligence of Hillary, or of those who will vote for her'.... you're kidding, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 04/14/2008

no, I'm not kidding. I see stuff like this all the time, and I never really see the opposite. I do admit that it happens, but almost all of the times that I've seen it happen, it's in direct response to a Hillary supporter who had come out with something like this first!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 04/14/2008

Gotta love the new bigotry against those who champion excellence rather than mediocrity. If your parents could afford to send you to private school without resorting to a school voucher, then you're an elitist and therefore must sit in the back of the bus. If you attended a college whose name didn't fit the pattern of "University of [state]-[town within said state]," then you're an elitist and therefore must sit in the back of the bus. If you've ever been inside a country club or yacht club without being one of its employees, even as a guest, then you're an elitist and therefore must sit in the back of the bus. If you grew up in a suburban town rather than unincorporated farm country, then you're an elitist and therefore must sit in the back of the bus. If you know how to operate a sailboat, then you're an elitist and therefore must sit in the back of the bus.

Thomas Jefferson once spoke of a natural aristocracy, one built upon virtue and intellect rather than inherited wealth. If he had done so today, he'd be drawn & quartered by the mob for being an elitist snob.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 04/14/2008

Here, Here!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 04/14/2008

Sooooo, with so many critical problems to solve, with so many deadly failures in foreign policy, with the economy in the tank, the "real people" will be hoodwinked again by flags, religion, and the yahoo baiting political tactics of the defenders of corporate elitism? If true, the "real people" will find their "beliefs and values" (as defined by the right wing slime machine) to be of little comfort as they endure the misery to come. But I am not so "elitist" that I believe that such an outcome is likely this time. You can't fool all of the people all of the time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/14/2008

I didn't even read your article. The title alone was so juvenile and hateful. But thanks for that, it saved me some time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 04/14/2008

"This is how the Republicans are trying to define Barack Obama: Too Liberal, Too Out of Touch" - Blake Fleetwood

Now substitute "Republicans" with "HIllary Clinton Campaign" and it's an accurate sentence. Gotta love a right winger in democrat clothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 04/14/2008

There is one problem with your assertions about candidates and the public. When we knowingly elect lying candidates, we end up with lying ass presidents. Although, you point to the positives that came about as a result of an outright lie or a change in stance due to circumstances (such as when Lincoln issued the Emancipation Declaration -- which was only aimed at those states that left the Union not those border states that fought on the Union side), you don't have anything to say about the harmful effects of electing liars. For example, you don't mention the lies that George Bush told to get us into war or LBJ's lies that escalated Vietnam. You don't mention the tendency of American presidents to lie about support for freedom abroad while supporting repressive regimes like the Shah in Iran (and look how that turned out). You don't mention the way candidates lie about the influence of big money donors in politics and the impact those donors ultimately have on the regulation of lenders, pharmaceuticals, tobacco, etc. You don't mention that Clinton had to know that it was every man, woman, and child for him/herself when he signed NAFTA rather than truly believing that displaced workers would be trained for free flowing jobs at equivalent jobs. How did any of those lies make our country better?

We need to do more than aim for electing the most convincing/shameless liar. Or we will truly deserve what we get.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 04/14/2008
Moderator's Pick

HuffPost's Pick

I think people want someone who is exhibiting common sense. that simple:
1. will being in Iraq, occupying a muslim country, suddenly turn into a good idea anytime soon?
2. do the people need to see the government reacting aggressively to problems, be it the economy, global warming, natural disasters, or do they want a government that reacts slowly, or not at all?
3. are we ever going to capture or kill osama bin ladin?
4. are we going to have a government that actively supports policies aimed mainly at the middle class and the poor? a government that recognizes helping the rich, and rich corporations that are just fine already, at the expense of the middle class and the poor is morally reprehensible?
5. are we going to elect someone who shows the promise of being incredibly bold in a smart way, as bush has been incredibly bold in a stupid way?

there's 5 right there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/14/2008

I would vote for common sense. I would also go for someone that took a stand and if later decided that stand were wrong would say so and change policy.

Take that for what you will but I will make it a little less cryptic. I am ready to take a chance and trust Obama because I know I cannot trust either of the others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 04/14/2008





Just say it. You don't think he can win because he's black.

You don't have to mask it with any of this ridiculous elitist talk, no one buys that. Clintons worth much more monetarily, and is blind to the bitterness of our disappearing middle class. She's the one who adopted the "let them eat cake" stance.

Just say it, it will be good to just come clean...

Not just that southern white male moderates have won for the demos. ( btw a woman has never won the White House either fyi ) But Barack Obama can't win because he's black.

Just say it. We know thats what you think, in your Polo Shirt. If a white male candidate was pulling the numbers Barack was would we hear this kind of talk from you. Hell no. So it's because of his skin color.

Oh, no ones accusing you of being racist. I'm accusing you of cowardice, because you're scared the country is too racist to elect a black man president. Maybe it is. So we'll never be ready for one, is that the gist of all this? After what this white male has done to this country, what better time to try something different, to show just what that amendment legitimizing black people's right to citizenship was for.

We'll take our chances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 04/14/2008

Grendl,
You are POUNDING that nail right on the head today my friend!

Hammer on.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 04/14/2008

What fails to reach the pundits is the difference between tose who vote in primaries and those who will vote in the general election. The mass of the people are not as invested as some of us in the political process. They will vote in the fall but not now. And, as poll after poll shows, Hillary is not liked or trusted. People are deperately longing for someone who will be different, who reach out to them, unite them, understand their anger and bitterness, and give them reason to hope again. Obama is the only one who can do this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 04/14/2008

Face it: Obama stained the very fabric of the American electorate that is needed to win the presidency. By expressing his elitist, highly insensitive views to a group of San Francisco millionaires he proved he doesn"t have the poignancy, the IQ nor the continental compass to be president. He is out of touch. He catered to these rich people"s "hauteur" and imperialistic musings without flinching or thinking of the consequences. He got caught pressing the self-destructive buttons any politico 101 knows:
101: Don"t insult your voters.
101: God believing people believe in God, good times or bad.
101: Bearing guns is a constitutional right and has nothing to do with class.
101: Not all small town folks are bigots. Obama"s own mother was a small town girl who was not a racist.
In sum, one hopes that the eventual nominee is the president for all people, at the very least "the smartest guy in the room." This last "bitter" remark issue in addition to the way he handled the "God Damn America" Rev. Wright controversy clearly proves that Obama is not that "guy". Let"s face it; Hillary is and has always been"35 years ago & from day one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/14/2008



His IQ is higher than George W's, and probably yours. Continental compass? What the hell does that mean?

He didn't say all small town folks are bigots, he said they cling to religion and guns in times of economic hardship, and anti immigration sentiment is often economic based. That's a fact.

He didn't make any disparaging remark about gun ownership.

Because you number your inane points, it doesn't make any of them more valid. You're saying Barack is stupid for remarks he made, but what about Hillary's Bosnian tarmac memory. Oh, thats not stupid, but just a mistake.

Fucking hypocrite. Have fun watching him smoke your candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 04/14/2008

Not true, not true and little in those 35 years has proven to be exactly as manufactured. by the Clintons. All that glitters is not gold. Fools gold usually...

Obama is not an elitist. You are misstating here and should read from his writings, not your script from the 'Daily Troll talking points'.

Class issues are what separate us in this country. The chasm between the haves and have nots has grown wider with each Republican administration. Until we recognize the needs of the weakest among us as well as the strongest, there will be only status quo.

When you get to be President of Law Review at Harvard, let us all know about intelligence.

When you read Obama's writings, let us know about poignancy.

If you want a president for all the people, think about action, compassion and the effect of talking to adults who want truth, not BS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 04/14/2008

Snob-ama? Excuse me if I have a bit of trouble taking you seriously after that.
Even if you are just making a play on words to capture the narrative that the Republicans will take- " Too Liberal, Too Out of Touch.", it's diminished by the fact the Clinton's surrogates have been pushing the "Shhh, he's a latte liberal!" attack for weeks. Jesus, even Bill Clinton has been saying "Well, Obama's supporters are the type of people who don't NEED a president." Hillary's narrative for Obama is also the Republican's narrative for Obama. Obama could have gone after her more for the bosnia thing, but even when he was asked about it last Friday, he just said that he would let the Clinton campaign explain it. Whoever the Democratic nominee in November is, the Republicans are going to try to portray the Democrat as a commie liberal liar. It's what they do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 04/14/2008




Just because you say it doesn't matter who opposed the Iraq war first, doesn't make it so. See that's just an opinion. To me it does matter.

And Hillary was on the wrong side of that debate. Some of us admire the hell out of someone who didn't cower after 911, succumbing to fear, attacking the most feasible enemy in the Middle East we could based on past aggressions, and the fact they tried to kill the president's father.

Barack will have no problem debunking the elitist stamp, provided he doesn't go bowling again. He's black, came from a single parent home, raised in part in Indonesia, he's as underdog as you can get. But it's a fascinating tack, accusing your opponent what you're guilty of. Hillary Clinton, the candidate most heavily backed by lobbyist money, whose earned millions upon millions of dollars with the help of her husband over the last eight years.

It's fun to watch you Clinton supporters pretend you're the GOP in this race. The comments I've seen on these boards shows just how far you'll go to win, like suggesting black people have an unfair advantage running for president in this country. Just their luck huh, forty years ago they didn't have a shot in hell because of racial bias against them, and now you're saying they shouldn't have a shot due to racial bias in their favor. Any way you slice it, it means they can't win.

Same as it ever was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 04/14/2008
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