Clinton Downs A Beer And A Bump To Impress The Cool Kids, And This Dad's Not OK With That

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As a father of daughters, I've got a big problem today with Hillary Clinton.

Let's be clear: I've got no problem with a President who occasionally chases down a slice of pizza with a cold brew or a shot of whiskey -- or both. Like most Oregonians, I'm particularly fond of our state's great microbrews and small wineries; I'm no prude about liquor (or much of anything else). And, of course, our current teetotaler President has been a disaster. (I'm put in mind of Abe Lincoln during the Civil War: when an adviser complained that the North's most successful general was drinking too much, Abe ordered a barrel of that general's favorite whiskey sent to each of his other generals.)

So if Clinton likes an (imported) Crown Royal, neat, back on the campaign plane at the end of the day, or -- without fanfare -- tips back a cool one with supporters at a pizza joint, I'm good. But that's not what she did Saturday night at Bronko's Restaurant and Lounge in Crown Point, Indiana. No: she bumped back a boilermaker to make a point about Barack Obama being "out of touch" with blue-collar voters, playing off his comment about some middle Americans being "bitter" at being ignored by Washington insiders.

Hillary Clinton is not normally a brew-and-a-bump kind of gal; she's just not. But she is a political animal, through and through -- and drinking boilermakers as a strategy for reaching Pennsylvania's working-class voters was even discussed jokingly in a segment of MSNBC's Hardball earlier this month, which Clinton's campaign staff wouldn't have missed. No: Clinton intentionally chose to do a particularly unhealthy kind of drinking -- chugging beer and whiskey at once, a combo designed to make you drunker, faster -- to increase her popularity with people she really has nothing in common with so that they'll vote for her.

Politics is politics, but it's not OK for Hillary Clinton or anyone else in public life to flaunt heavy public drinking in order to be more popular.

I'm the father of two beautiful, brilliant, creative, loving, sometimes gloriously self-confident, sometimes tragically insecure daughters, ages 12 and 14. Both are deeply engaged and opinionated about politics (at a John Kerry rally, my then-8-year-old tugged my arm and said, "hey, Dad, isn't that Peter DeFazio?"). And both, like everyone their age, are sometimes too concerned with popularity.

The older one will start high school next year -- where, I know full well, she'll start making delicate decisions about boys, alcohol, drugs, and the whole dangerous balance between exercising independence and experimenting with life, on the one hand, and remaining safe, on the other. I'm no fool: I know she'll make some decisions I won't agree with. My hope is that she'll be able to draw on varied sources of wisdom to help her make decisions that are still sound, still sensible, even if they aren't exactly the ones her dad would choose. And as she does that -- as she tries to figure out how to grow up and move beyond my paternalistic rules to become a wise and self-sufficient and complete woman -- I'd like her to be able to look to accomplished, self-confident, successful women like Hillary Clinton as role models.

If one of my daughters, trying to win Student Body President, showed up at a keg party and got drunk in order to score points with the "populars" (ask your kid if you don't know who they are), I'd be incredibly disappointed -- and angry, and concerned. Should I feel any differently when Hillary Clinton does it?

Fortunately, my daughters already know that what Clinton did is wrong. At a supposedly irresponsible age, they know it's not cool to misuse alcohol to "fit in." Even for adults, even to win a big election, it's just. not. cool.

But Hillary Clinton -- the candidate who trumpets her experience and worldliness as predictors of her supposed good judgment -- doesn't seem to have figured that out. She's drinking in public to look cool and win votes. For the first woman with a serious shot at the White House to trumpet an unhealthy kind of drinking in order to gain publicity points, is to display either an utter tone-deafness to her role as a model for America's girls (and even adults), or a culpable willingness to ignore her moral compass in order to win. She's either inexcusably foolish or inexcusably calculating; take your pick.

Either way, she deserves to be grounded by the responsible adults in the Democratic Party, not elected Student Body President.

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This article is pure bs. Hillary comes from a middle class suburb and spent more than a decade in the state of Arkansas. Her husband's humble roots and Bubba tastes are well known to the public. In other words, she has cred with working class people and it's entirely believable that she would have a shot and a beer with the guys in Indiana.

I wish she would allow herself to be portrayed like this more often. It's the symbolism that counts and it suggests something that is true about Hillary: that she has a genuine understanding and love of middle Americans and their customs. This is a stark contrast to her opponent whose attempts to get down with the people were so OBVIOUSLY fake that they were laughable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 04/17/2008

intellifem: I see your point, but disagree. I'm working class- construction 25+ years-- and also was an educated Eastern liberal type before that, so I have spent almost thirty years in each role (almost 60 now). Your comments are good as far as they go, but miss the point of the article. Think of it this way: what if crackheads and methheads were a significant voting bloc, would it be acceptable for any candidate to go to a crack house and do a few hits off a glass pipe to show he/she could be one of THEM? Well, there is no doubt that crack and meth are devasating drugs and a big social problem in our country. But because of alcohol's wider acceptance, availability, and its vastly greater use, the total net effect is that alcohol is THE number one dangerous drug in the United States. I only can write 250 words, but anyone can look up the numbers. Deaths by accident and suicide and homicide, lost production, et cetera. For a presidential candidate- especially one who claims to care abut both children and about health care for Americans- to drink, as a campaign ploy, is beyond shameful: it is evil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 04/18/2008

This post MUST be a joke. Please tell me it's a joke. Are you people for real? This is like the lead in to Margaret Atwood's the Handmaid's Tale. Except it wil be the Left that brings the burka to the US. Have you all gone nuts? Hillary is an adult woman who is permitted to drink in public. Bellows, you are a paternalistic, sexist pig. You people will say anything to denigrate Hillary-- no matter how seixst it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 04/16/2008

having read it again, it appears that the writer really believes that he knows what was going on in Hillary's mind. If it is joke, it is brilliant.

From what I have read on other blogs, Hillary likes to have a drink or two in the evening (more power to her).

Having watched Hillary in the political arena since the 90's, being targeted by everyone, I am reminded of a print ad for Belvedere vodka, "Our vodka has survived the Ottomans, the Nazis, the Soviets and Vermouth"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 04/16/2008

Wow, the sexist patriarchal paternalism is so disgusting. An adult woman is free to drink a shot and a beer. Do you really think she never drinks whiskey or beer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/16/2008

The Huffington Post has only reported on Hillary pandering for the crowd by drinking a beer...pllleeezzzzzzze Obama did the same thing two weeks before Hillary did and yes the cameras were rolling, guess Obama was trying to be one of those good ole boys. I'm glad that some websites post all the news instead of just the make Hillary look bad and while trying to make Obama look good crap!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 04/16/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr.

Sorry, but those aren't the facts. Obama didn't drink two beers and a shot of whiskey within a few minutes, as Hillary did. And he didn't do it right in the middle of a meme he's pushing about his opponent being out of touch with the working class. As I say in the post, I've got no problem with a candidate having a beer, so long as it's not flaunted (and, I suppose, done in moderation -- which a beer-and-a-bump is not).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 04/16/2008

The fact is that you are a sexist, paternalistic pig. And you know it. "Flaunting?" Wow! You outdo yourself in Stalinist propaganda. The media covers Hillary and she is responsible for "flaunting." She behaves like an adult and she is "flaunting." And who are you to tell a woman what to do? You are being compeltely disingenuous about Obama. You have Clinton Rules and Obama Rules, and the Clinton Rules include -- "anything Hillary does is evil." And the Obama rules include-- "anything Obama does is inspiring." You fool no one but yourselves. Your hangover from Barrymania will be painful for you. You will wake up to President McCain. But maybe that is what you people really want after all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 04/16/2008

As a democratic voter in the state of Indiana, i find HRCs behavior appalling in the extreme.
She does project a horrifically bad example. Not only that, she expects us actually to be favorably impressed with this stuff she unloaded on us that day, both at her speech in Valparaiso, and this stunt she pulled down in Crown Point. Hillary, i am sorry, but this good ol girl stuff repels some of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 04/15/2008

Does it appall you because its a woman doing it? Obama was caught two weeks prior in a bar throwing down a beer while he posed for the cameras. What a bad example he is!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 04/16/2008

As a democratic voter in the state of Indiana, i find HRCs behavior appalling in the extreme.
She does project a horrifically bad example. Not only that, she expects us actually to be favorably impressed with this bucket o spit she unloaded on us that day, both at her speech in Valparaiso, and this stunt she pulled down in Crown Point. Hillary, i am sorry, but this good ol girl stuff nauseates some of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 04/15/2008

My guess- you are a Clinton supporter who apparantly believes that anything she does denotes Mom,the Flag and Apple Pie and believes anything Obama says or does denotes something at least, highly questionable? Grow up please. Nothing in the world is quite as simplistic as that.There are those of us who
Remember the Clinton years from a very adult political perspective
Remember Hillary's involvements in such questionable pursuits as Whitewater and Travelgate
Remember how her one minded pursuit of her healthcare "agenda" sunk universal healthcare for 16 years
Remember the constant upheval soap opea drama that accompanied the Clinton administration
Remember the shady political dealmaking that permeated the Clinton years
Remember Hillary's wholehearted public support of NAFTA
Remember her constant meddling in matters of National importance

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 04/15/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr.

I don't know why you think the post is supportive of Clinton; maybe it's my wish that my daughters could look up to her more, which is sincere: I wish that Clinton (and Ferraro, for that matter) were acting like good role models for all adolescent girls instead of (as often happens) trying to "win in a man's world" by acting like the very worst men. (For those of you who remember the old ads, I call it the "Virginia Slims syndrome": "You've come a long way, baby -- feminism has set you free to become addicted to cigarettes and die young of cancer and emphysema just like men!")

So, yeah, I wish my girls could look up to Clinton. I wish all kids could look up to all the candidates, for that matter: what a crazy idea, for politicians to act honorably so that young people learn that the democratic process is important and valuable and a high calling?

But that doesn't mean I'm backing Clinton for President. I started this cycle with a lot of concern about Obama and a deep store of goodwill from the Clinton Administration years, but as I've watched how Hillary is campaigning -- and reading her daily press releases, which come across like a teenager's MySpace page dissing her opponent -- my doubts about Obama have been resolved in his favor, and my rose-colored glasses about what Bill Clinton wrought have come off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 04/15/2008

Have you talked to your children about Obama and Rezko, yet? Or is that Mom's job? How about Barry's vote on the energy bill? Or his repeated vote for war funding? Or about his plan to privatize social security--I'm sure your daughters should know about that? Or about how he judges every abortion to be morally wrong--and how he "trusts women to make a prayerful decision"? Have you told your daughters that Obama is in charge of judging whether or not they have control over their own bodies? But maybe you think YOU are the one to make those decisions for them--even when they become adults.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 04/16/2008

Sorry folks- posted twice-VS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 04/15/2008

Again, the point is not that she had some drinks (she's an adult, after all). It's that the scene that played out could be part of a Junior High health class film on how not to deal with peer pressure.

She said no to the shot when first asked, then had her mind slowly changed by a prodding crowd. What we're left with is not a strong person, being herself and having a good time, but instead a person who was simply trying to fit in, please or pander to the people around her.

She's not a teenage girl and shouldn't be thought as such, but she is in a position to influence people. And she is claiming the ability to lead people. If she didn't want a shot of whiskey, then she should have stuck to her guns (her grandfather should have taught her that).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 04/15/2008

geez.

I guess you are one of Obama's supporters. It must be a pretty easy gig - everything Hillary is bad, everything Obama sends a shiver down your leg....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 04/14/2008

Nope, we just have very long memories of the Hillary we knew and do not trust the Hillary we see.
And just because we support Barack Obama it does not mean that everything Obama sends a shiver down my leg
But at this point what Hillary is doing sends a shiver down our spines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 04/15/2008

My guess- you are a Clintonista who apparantly believes that anything she does denotes Mom,the Flag and Apple Pie and believes anything Obama says or does denotes something at least, highly questionable? Grow up please. Nothing in the world is quite as simplistic as that.There are those of us who
Remember the Clinton years from a very adult political perspective
Remember Hillary's involvements in such questionable pursuits as Whitewater and Travelgate
Remember how her one minded pursuit of her healthcare "agenda" sunk universal healthcare for 16 years
Remember the constant upheval soap opea drama that accompanied the Clinton administration
Remember the shady political dealmaking that permeated the Clinton years
Remember Hillary's wholehearted public support of NAFTA
Remember her constant meddling in matters of National importance
I could go on, but why. I support Obama for his ability to unite different people, to effect change, because of his way of dealing with difficult situations and most of all, his positions on the issues. This is not a "GIG" this is an informed political choice made from experience in Democratic campaigns dating back to 1976. and it is not "Easy" as it took a long time and much thought as all my decisions have takendating back to my decision to work to get Jimmy Carter elected President

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 04/15/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr.

Oh -- now I get it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 04/15/2008

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Not everything he says or does sends "shivers" down my leg. But just this week and especially this week. what Hillary has said and more importantly done- sends a shiver down my spine. Did you know that among her supporters in the state of indiana she counts some of the most corrupt politicians, some still under federal investigation? And that this Guns and Booze ploy to make her seem just like one of the Good ol Boys is nothing but a rediculos ruse to mine votes? It is ddemeaning. I do not want that kind of politician in our White House. Is that enough?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 04/15/2008
- M.S. Bellows, Jr. - Huffpost Blogger I'm a Fan of M.S. Bellows, Jr.

Sorry you feel that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 04/14/2008

Mr Bellows,

I tip my hat to your perspective on the shameless actions of this woman.
I am loathe to admit I never, ever thought of her actions as you did.
Once again, my perspective has been broadened.
Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 04/15/2008
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