Doctor Faust in 2008

Posted April 14, 2008 | 04:43 PM (EST)



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Anyone who has spent any time around politics knows that there are various paths to power. Most of these paths lie between the high road and the low road. The lowest road is the one that leads to power through destruction of one's opponent. That road is also the path to the garden of cynicism. But if the goal is power, what does a little cynicism matter. The Devil may help you get power. But he'll collect your soul in return.

Over recent weeks, and particularly in recent days, rumors circulate questioning Senator Barack Obama's commitment to a free and democratic Israel. Most recently, the rumor is that Senator Obama's strongest supporters in the Jewish community were defecting to his opponent because he had endorsed former President Carter's decision to meet with representatives of Hamas, generally recognized as a Palestinian group organizing terrorist attacks on Israel. The fact is that Senator Obama immediately and without being challenged to do so stated his disagreement with such meetings. Meeting with heads of state or heads of government is one thing; meeting with groups advocating terror is another.

One does not enter the hornets-nest of the Middle Eastern debate without armor. In my case that armor includes consistent and unwavering support for the U.S.-Israeli partnership and it includes participation in tank maneuvers on the Golan Heights, flights in the back seat of Israeli high performance aircraft, and night naval patrols off the Israeli coast. I have been honored to be the guest of former Israeli prime ministers and have carried out serious discussions regarding mutual security concerns.

Having established that, I can now say that I find it outrageous and the height of political cynicism for any other candidate or campaign, Democratic or Republican, to question Senator Obama's commitment to continuation of the U.S.-Israeli partnership and particularly to do so in a sinister, duplicitous, and scurrilous manner by spreading false rumors. When he campaigns against the politics of the past, and attracts hundreds of thousands of young people and independents as a result, that is the kind of politics he means.

I personally know the leaders of the Jewish American community to be intelligent enough, thoughtful enough, and most of all fair enough to categorically reject the path of cynicism and those cowardly enough to promote it by whisper and innuendo. Perhaps above all others, they know what it is like to be the victims of hateful rumors. In the final analysis, the issue isn't Israel. The issue is honesty, justice, and fairness in American politics.

 

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I guess we know where Gary Hart stands on Israel. I'm wondering also why his post has had top billing here for 6 days. I find nothing wrong with Carter meeting Hamas leaders. There has been such a stalemate for so long, the US policy is in meltdown, and Israel itself is in denial, then what's the harm if something positive can result. Hart's unabashed enthusiasm for Israel is just what we DON'T need right now. His comments here align him with Lieberman and that's counterproductive to the US making any headway with restoring its credibility in the Middle East. Unwavering support for Israel, as Hart advocates, is misguided and demonstrates a failure to understand the history and cultural dynamics of the area. Obama for his part probably is more aligned with Jimmy Carter even though he won't say it....now. Hart doesn't get it. Frankly this man is irrelevant. I can't understand why anyone gives this person any credibility given is political failures.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 04/20/2008

"Upon careful examination of Barack Obama"s record, we believe he has the policy instincts, judgment, wisdom, and passion that we need in our next President of the United States. We hope that American Jews everywhere will join in our support for Senator Obama."

These are the closing lines of the support statement for Obama at http://jews4obama2008.wordpress.com.

There are a lot of nice comments added by individuals who are far more eloquent than I. We seem to bounce from one straw man to another, when we could easily set aside this manufactured distrust, and begin working together to alleviate suffering on all sides.

Obama is what he says he is. I know that's unusual for American politics, but that's why we like him.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 04/20/2008


One of these days a candidate will come along who states that he will meet with nobody, Hamas or anybody else, for the purpose of nibbling at edges and deciding issues at the margins but he will meet with everybody whomsoever as part of holistic plan, a comprehensive peace agreement that binds any and all to an agreement that is binding, enforceable, comprehensive and final.


Until that time, it is totally useless to talk about "meeting" with Hamas or the Devil or Jesus Christ or Adolf Hitler because the meeting has not significance whatsoever.

Period, end of story and why are we even discussing this?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 04/20/2008

The litmus test should not be what a candidate owes a foreign country but what he ows the American public !
The very idea that a candidate has to bow to the interests of a foreign power to be condsidered worthy says a lot.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 04/20/2008

I couldn't agree more. Why is a candidate's commitment to Israel as important as the candidate's commitment to the American people?

Many times the interest of the American people disagree with the interests of Israel. We (American people) should always come first. Always.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 04/20/2008

send an email to Bob Schieffer"s and thank him - FINALLY a real HONEST journalist

email: ftn@cbsnews.com


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-4elxJouBY&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/20/14840/3341/838/499528

These distractions need to stop

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 04/20/2008

Why do discussions concerning Israel and the US always have to turn into religious discussions? I am really getting sick of religion. There are people living in the middle east. Can't we start from that point of view some time and try to act human first? Most of the trouble in the world originates in economics. In the US the republicans constantly attack unions to maintain a cheap labor force. If that doesn't work they move jobs off shore. Israel loves having a class of people that have to work for peanuts. Why do US religions support Israel? It is because a war of religions on that level may upset their whole hold on people in general. Economics and control.If the human race would try to eliminate disease and poverty instead of being proud to drive a limo through homeless crowds we may be heading in the right direction for a change.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 04/20/2008

This article is incredibly revealing about what supporters of Israel can expect from an Obama administration.

A prominent former Democratic presidential candidate writes a piece in which he warns Obama's opponents-

"Don't you dare question Obama's support of Israel!"

Then a bunch of Obama supporters appear in the comments section trashing Israel and calling for an end to "the Lobby". Obama will dump Israel under the bus quicker than he did his own grandmother- that "typical white person". The mask isn't slipping-it's already off.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 04/20/2008

Is there some source for your assertion? It sounds as if you are simply bigoted against Palestinians. Perhaps you also think that people who criticize the U.S. government and President Bush are anti-Christian.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 04/20/2008

**The mask isn't slipping-it's already off.**

Indeed....

**Obama will dump Israel under the bus quicker than he did his own grandmother- that "typical white person".**

But the mask is yours.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 04/20/2008

Why is "support" for Israel conflated with supporting the any action the Lukid Party deems necessary? Only when a true middle class is encouraged to develop in the Palestinian community will there be peace for Israel. The current actions can only fail over time. What outcome are the Lukids projecting from their actions? Israeli Lukid supporters, please tell us how these policies are going to work to settle the conflict.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 04/20/2008


Mr Hart writers " I personally know the leaders of the Jewish American community to be intelligent enough, thoughtful enough, and most of all fair enough"

He could've added "industrious, hardworking and wealthy" but "FAIR" give me a break Gary. Anybody who supports the slow genocide of the Palestinians is anything but fair.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 04/20/2008

And furthermore, where is the so-called "partnership"? What is the US or the American people getting for their 300 billion taxpayer dollars to Israel? This is no partnership--it's pure parasitism, and Israel is the parasite!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 04/20/2008

What is "free and democratic" about keeping millions of people locked up inside the largest open air prison in history, surrounded by a twenty-five foot concrete wall?

Ah, yes, the Indian reservations and slavery were also "free and democratic".

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 04/20/2008

"keeping millions of people locked up inside the largest open air prison in history"??

that is a blatant misrepresentation of the facts 'cognate'

Israel does not keep anyone 'locked up' in Gaza. Are Mexicans 'locked up' in Mexico by the security wall erected by the US? It is the right and duty of a sovereign nation to protect its territorial integrity and if that requires the construction of a twenty-five foot concrete wall, then so be it.
You also conveniently forget to mention that Israel continues to supply goods to Gaza, even though this so-called 'open-air prison' is being used to plot and execute terrorist attacks on Israel, the very state that is providing them with aid, while their Arabic neighbours to the West, Egypt, have sealed the border indefinitely eliminating the flow of of people and goods. It is Egypt treating Gaza like a prison and the situation would be infinitely worse in Gaza if not for Israeli aid.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 04/20/2008

Democrats are like little dancing marionettes. A Republic accuses a Democrat of being a secret Muslim, hating the flag, being anti-Israel, or any stupid thing hatched in a think tank or a cable network, and instantly the Dems devote their energy to defending themselves against the preposterous accusation. Score another one for the Repubs. The Democrats' response should instead be to point out the venality of the accusers and the moral degradation of the Republic Party, and leave it at that.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 04/20/2008

This isn't a response to Republicans, it's a response to Hillary Clinton (a distinction without much of a difference, I grant you). She waves Farrakhan's name around like a bloody shirt, which I'm sure has nothing to do with the subrosa campaign of emails and flyers targeted at older Jewish Democrats, saying that Obama is an anti-Semite.

Nope, nothing at all. No coordination between her campaign and whoever is sending out those messages.

And Karl Rove had nothing to do with the Swiftboaters, either.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 04/20/2008

A Dutch member of parliament made a movie, Fitna, and Muslims tried to censure it. To my relief, the Dutch Supreme Court found that they still support free press and free speech in The Netherlands. I saw a short news segment of a market I used to go to at least twice weekly, as long ago as a child, and the market was now populated with muslims in middle eastern garb. There never was a problem in Europe with others migrating there, but there are too many and they take over. Although they are guests, like in Demark and The Netherlands, they purport to set the standards there, Europeans a.o. for trade purposes enjoyed learning from foreigners and their cultures, and gettng along. Islamic terrorists want to convert and subdue, by the sword, and take over. Any means is acceptable. Sweet talk, combined with murder, and loss of life of *the infidel* is the goal. Gary Hart has not taken a look at what has been said about Obama outside of the U.S. And I do not know what the problem is with investigating what is true, and what is not true. Unless, of course, the Democratic Party wants to be an Ostrich, sticking its head in the sand at perceived threat. If there is smoke there may be fire. I think Obama has nothing to hide, and if so, he should welcome investigation of his record. Security clearance is not an unacceptable necessity to become President.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 04/20/2008

Xenophobic. Islamophobic. Afraid. Ignorant. Clueless. Thats what you are.

You have an internet connection. Use it.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org

http://www.truetorahjews.com

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 04/20/2008

The GOP has been investigating Obama in a more sttringent manner than the FBI would manage. They are afraid that he might become the next president and they might not have any way to control him by flinging mud or by a secret that they know and can use to blackmail him.

Ever since the GOP discovered the inherently generous cash flow stream generated by selling legislation to the highest bidder, they fear being left out of the power structure. They will come up with something to insure they do not slip into total powerlessness. Surely they can find one of his childhood friends who will tell the world that Obama is really Fidel Castro's love child. There is a nefarious lie and liar out there and the GOP will find it and spread it like the manure they are.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 04/20/2008

more and more the aura of Barack is being exposed for its vacuousness...He is of the same ilk of foreign policy as Jimmy (the worst ever) Carter..And fortunately it is coming out in time.Again , since 1948 , Israel has been under constant terrorist attacks . And becasue they have the fortitude to stand up to them the liberal/prograssive mindset that is against all things military, villifies them....Sorry , Barack, Ayers, Farrakhan, Wright ... But of course association with racists, terrorists and anti-semites can never be illustrated

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 04/20/2008

Rwe, speaking of persons that are in a vacuum, why don't you do a little reading instead of just throwing out talking points? You seem to dwell in the land of emptiness. Here is some reading for you enjoyment, below.

About Ayers: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/18/918391.aspx

About Wright: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/jeremiah-wright.htm

About flag pins: http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html

About Hillary: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=239574

http://www.liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=2856

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 04/20/2008

See (Garry Hart's blog) above.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 04/20/2008

your post is kind of vacuous. Do you have a point in this ramble somewhere?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 04/20/2008

3..

There is no serious or equitable debate regarding Palestine and Israel in the US corporate media, nor in any other US cultural, political and religious circles. If the existing narrative is to be called a debate, then it's one with an imagined, not real, language, almost entirely irrelevant to realities in Palestine and Israel; one that is largely predicated on a narrow minded, apocalyptic religious discourse that for decades has found itself an accepted point of departure for most politicians, even those who falsely pose as liberals.

Between the two discourses, that of misguided religious fantasies and pandering politicians, there maybe exists enough room for alternative narratives. Unfortunately, that space too is overwhelmed by cultural misconceptions, institutional bias and deliberate confusion introduced and instilled by media producers, pundits and other manufacturers of American popular culture.

Until the gatekeepers of US culture are seriously challenged, Palestine will continue to reside in American imagination as a battle between good and evil, a "Holy Land" that must be wrested from the hands of those who might have owned the land, at some point, but now "haven't any business to be there defiling it."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 04/20/2008

Welcome to America's parallel reality on Israel and Palestine, bare-faced in its defying the notions of common sense, equality and justice, ever-insistent on peeking at the Arab- Israeli conflict through a looking glass manufactured jointly in the church, in Congress and in the newsroom, where the world is reduced to characters interacting in a Hollywood-like movie set: good guys, well groomed and often white-skinned versus bad guys bearing opposite qualities.

One may become accustomed to watching, reading and listening to the chorus of support that America -- its politicians, most of its mainstream media and a large conglomerate of its churches and clergies -- tirelessly offers Israel. While the advocacy for Israel by various evangelical churches is both bizarre -- since the ultimate objective of this crowd is the annihilation of most Jews and the conversion of some as prerequisites for "the Rapture" -- and widely acknowledged, their influence on the political culture of America is not equally recognised. For example, Pastor Hagee, a televangelist to 99 million viewers, established Christians United for Israel (CUFI) in 2005 following the publication of his book, The Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 04/20/2008

Good points. But then there too is Preident Jimmuh Cahtuh, who with his *advice* to the Palestinians in his recent book upset a great number of jews and Israelis. The advice was for Palestinians (and other terrorists?) to go on with their policies and practices, of talk, talk, talk, combined with murder, murder, murder. In fact, Jimmuh, as we all know, is talkig to Hamas right now. But, wait, maybe there isno difference at all? After all Jimmuh is a Southern Baptst. Well, of course, within thse confines he has also had his issues and upsets, but he is still a member. Then there are sectors of *progressives in he Democratic Party, who see matters entirely from a *Palestinian* viewpoint, and in addition the war in Iraq as well. Rightly, or wrongly, it appears that te U.S. and Israel have a number of common enemies. As long as it only involved Israel, well, what the heck, but now we are in one boat and out at sea. Yes, evangelicals and other christians do want to convert the jews. One wonders why, as Jesus was born a jew, had a bris, was bar mitvah, a rabbi and died a jew. Jesus never became a christian. If he was/is who christians think he was/is, I do not know why they second guess him. But, what do I know?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 04/20/2008

Mama Mia !!!

mommamia526, I got no further than "Preident Jimmuh Cahtuh" (sic). Honest communication does not need this sort of thing, does it?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 04/20/2008

memorable quote in Mark Twain's Tom Sawyer Abroad (1894) still carries a wealth of relevance. He writes, "They own the [holy] land, just the mere land, and that's all they do own; but it was our folks, our Jews and Christians, that made it holy, and so they haven't any business to be there defiling it. It's a shame and we ought not to stand it a minute. We ought to march against them and take it away from them."

Recently an influential pastor, John Hagee of the Dallas's Cornerstone mega-church, followed his endorsement of Republican presidential candidate John McCain with some telling remarks. "What Senator McCain, I feel, needs to do to bring evangelicals into his camp is to make it very clear that he is a strong defender of Israel and that he has a strong 24 years of being pro-life. And I think on those two issues they will get on common ground and have a common understanding."

Such are the views of a man who has ever- growing influence among an ever-swelling culture in the US -- the evangelical Christian bloc. No mention was made of the well being of Palestinians, even Christian Palestinians, many of who are descendants of the early church

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 04/20/2008

I was hoping Obama was going to be different. This story makes me think he's drinking the kosher kool aid.

Until we have an election free of American/Israeli occupation - Americans won't be any more free than the Palestinians.

Our government is riddled with slaves to this oppressive world think.

I am hoping Obama keeps his independence..... and

HOORAY FOR JIMMY!!! -- tell em to stick it where the sun don't shine.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 04/20/2008

Obama is an anti-Zionists, just like Carter and you can save your outrage for someone who cares.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 04/20/2008

Senator PLEASE DO NOT INSULT AMERICANS..what partnership??are you talking about??150 billion since 1948,stolen land, you built a fake state with american money and arms. we partisipate in the genecide of arabs population on daily basis is that the partnership you are talking about??

We have ibvaded an arab country on the advise of israelis??is that the partnership you are talking about??

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 04/20/2008

Of course, to disagree with our ingrained national policy regarding Israel is to bring down the wrath of all the Republicans and fringe right kooks. I, however, beg to differ with Mr. Hart's opinions. He is another one that support Israel no matter how they flaunt every U.N. mandate, and destroy Lebanon and Gaza whenever they please. They have all the arms, the planes, and probably the big big nuclear weapons but we always must paint them as the victims of those big bad Muslims. Give me a break. The Israeli's have kept the Palestinians in bondage for decades and because of the Bible, we still treat them as the chosen people. What are we afraid of if we criticize them? They are the cause of the Middle East problems. When will we wake up? And we, the arrogant bastards that we have become, make out peace plans and routes for them to follow. Look at Iraq. Who the hell's country is it? It certainly isn't ours. Why do we think that we can control the world with out over 1,000 military bases spread out over the world. Who are the agressors in reality? Our politics is so unmovable and we need an Obama to bring us to a new way of seeing ourselves.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 AM on 04/20/2008

For all those who are citing U.N. resolutions against Israel, you might not want to give those too much weight given the fact that the U.N. Human Rights Council is made up of countries such as China, Cuba, Russia and Saudi Arabia:

"Only 25 of its 47 members are classified as "free democracies," according to Freedom House's ranking of civil liberties. Nine are classified as "not free." Four -- China, Cuba, Russia and Saudi Arabia -- are ranked as the "worst of the worst." These nations are responsible for repeated violations of the U.N.'s own Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Yet it is they who dominate the council, leading a powerful bloc of predominantly Arab and African nations that consistently vote as a unit."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ronan-farrow/the-uns-humanrights-s_b_83939.html

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 04/16/2008

And Freedom House is beholden to whom? Well, no matter; if they said it, it must be true.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 04/20/2008