OffTheBus On Bittergate: A Roundup of Initial Responses

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Posted April 15, 2008 | 03:48 PM (EST)



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In the wake of the OffTheBus Mayhill Fowler story that ignited a media storm this weekend over Barack Obama's comments on working-class voters, many of the OffTheBus community contributors-- unpaid volunteers all-- expressed their thoughts on the story and its interpretation across the media landscape. The story prompted some to write directly on the new experience of practicing citizen journalism -- of working, as OffTheBus cofounder Jay Rosen put it, in "the uncharted" territories of contemporary networked news.

Below a list of the work published by the OTB community so far.

Got a post you'd like to add to the discussion? Send it to campaigntrail@huffingtonpost.com, along with a headshot and a bio.

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Jay Rosen: "The Uncharted"
As an Obama supporter, I was proud to publish Mayhill Fowler's truthful report, though I recognize that it touched off an ordeal for the campaign, a media storm that isn't over and could hurt Obama's chances.

Marc Cooper: "Inside the... Storm"
Mayhill employs a highly-personalized, reflective narrative style to her unconventional reporting -- an approach that would be, indeed, non-grata, within the official campaign reporting bubble. It violates almost all of the conventions of traditional reporting (though not its ethical code) and that's what makes it all so damn interesting.

Mariangela Anzelone
"I'm a Bitter Middle Class American and Not Afraid to Say It"
As an actual middle-class person from New Jersey, I am bitter. I am bitter about the government's complete lack of regard for my wellbeing. I think Senator Obama was dead on.

Chip Collis
"It's the Con Job, Stupid!"
Two of the three presidential candidates are running a major con job on you right now: It's in their attacks on Obama. He was right about economically disadvantaged and politically sidetracked Pennsylvanians.

Karen Dalton-Beninato
"Memo to the Elite: This Would Be a Good Week to Buy a Television"
My Off the Bus colleague Mayhill Fowler opened a big old can of class debate on Friday with her 6,000 comment-drawing post on Barack Obama.

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"A Small Town Response to Obama's Talking 'Off The Bus'"
The media is having a field day over Obama's words. But he lives in Chicago and was talking about sentiments he has heard across the Midwest. I've heard them too. All you have to do is ask.

Christine Escobar
"On citizen journalists and the validity of accounts"
The value in the citizen journalist's account comes partly as a result of its being free. They are beholden to no one. They cover and opine and observe subjects but from their own perspective.

Leonce gaiter
"Obama Jerks the White Man's Burden"
Somewhere amid all these fireworks, we have the classic "uppity negro" archetype-- a black man who doesn't know his place, who dares to pontificate on the pathologies of white men.

Linda Hansen
"Bittergate: It's Not About Mayhill Fowler"
Are we bitter in Povertyland, USA? Hell, yes. That's what the story was about. We've been hung out to dry so long, we feel like ragged, abandoned laundry. All those election year promises? Please.

Scott Shrake
"I Wish There Were More Mayhill Fowlers"
There's no conspiracy behind Bittergate. The truth is even more unlikely: Fowler is that rare Barack Obama admirer who can admit he's not perfect. And, hey, that's the right kind of support.

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Christine Escobar writes:
" They cover and opine and observe subjects but from their own perspective."

If they "opine" from their own perspective they are not journalists. A true journalist reports the news, doesn't give her interpretation of what happened. That is what is wrong in the state of journalism today. Nobody's reporting, everyone's opining.
Fowler didn't even interview any one else on the scene. so we are supposed to believe her opinion on what Obama's words meant?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 04/18/2008

Could we leave off the '-gate' business. Watergate was a significant criminal conspiracy. Giving every embarrasing comment its own '-gate' moniker is tedious and trivilaizas real criminality.

We are still coming to grips what this thing called a 'citizen journalist' is about, but what it isn't is a professional journalist. Simply having access to a means of publishing and talking about news does not make you a real journalist any more than it does for Bill O'Riley and Rush Limbaugh.

Most of these citizen journalists are actually commentars, A commentator is not evil, but they are also not doing rigorous journalism. It silly to expect that they are. Is a four year journalism degree and graduate Journalism degree so worthless that anybody with an internet connection and a cell phone can be expected to do the same thing? Can downloading a copy of Google Schetchup make you a Citizen Architect capable of designing a building?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 04/18/2008

Again, the article states Arianna H approved "Bittergate" while on vaction in Tahiti. She too claims to support Barack. When will we hear from this socalled supporter?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 04/17/2008

The point sandy made is so interesting and a new angler I had not even thought about. The Palestinians are an example of people who are clinging to guns and Hashem(G-d).
The debate last night was just brutal. 40 minutes on my comments and noty policy. It is
apparent the media is not going to give us terime to discuss the issues in the forums becuase they do not want us to get free campaign time. I think a decision is made to focusd on trivial issues
because they do not want to give us candidates free air time. So they go on and on over Rev Wright and "Bittergate" and Hillary McClinton over Bosnia over and over and over.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 04/17/2008

Sorry guys, most of you are backpeddling and still we have not heard from Arianna on this fiasco.
No matter how you try to sugarcoat it, Mayhill did make it a harder climb for Obama, when he actually did not do anything wrong nor did I even think the words were wrong.

While living in the Middle East, we always said that most of the problems facing the Palestenians went back to the fact that after losing their land and being forced to try and reclaim it for 50 years they eventually reverted to religion and guns to cling to when they had nothing else. So this is not a new comparison to the way people when they feel left out, jobless, disenfranchised, etc. sometimes turn to the one thing they know, their religion and then sometimes guns, also to blame other people, whether they are occupiers or immigrants, for their problems.

By not giving a heads up to Obama so he could at least have a defense planned for this stupid article was totally ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 04/17/2008

Dear Reader: Please read all the comments posted above and see for yourself if there's "bitterness" in America. Senator Obama said it straight out and factual. Bitterness is at an epidemic level....and you don't even have to be in the poverty class to have it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 04/16/2008

Those who claim they are not bitter just don't care for Obama let us face it. I have been bitter
since Bush took office and I saw where he is heading. I am not only bitter, sarcastic but also
MAD AS HELL. And so is everyone I know. Obama hit the nail on the head. At least he showed
us he is listening to us. Hillary once told Bill "he did not owe us anything" and I believe she
still means it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 04/17/2008

The use of the word, "bitter, " is not really the issue. It is tying bitterness to religiosity, guns, immigration, and racism. No matter how much you say that he didn't say those exact words, the message was to the most liberal elite that small town Pennsylvanians will "cling" to these issues because they are bitter. But these issues have been at the heart of middle America long before NAFTA, foreclosures, and lack of unions. If Clinton had said these exact words, she would have been attacked relentlessly by Obama supporters and the media. The proof of this is that every media outlet has searched high and low to find similar remarks made by any Clinton. I am so sick of this bias, and I will never vote for Obama because of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 04/16/2008

I hate all of you smug OfftheBus clowns. Go away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 04/16/2008

Give it a rest. You OfftheBus clowns are sleazy and self obsessed.

If Fowler and her dirty tricks garbage is representative of OfftheBus, no thanks.

She should be fired, and whoever was stupid enough to hire her should be fired as well.

Shame on you, backstabbing sneaks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 04/16/2008

Get over yourselves, just the facts folks, just the facts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 04/16/2008

I love the support! Mayflower is working for McClinton!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 04/16/2008

I think that what Obama actually SAID was fine - it was Fowler's spin that was so negative.

And Huffpo's captions are awful. The guy with the gun for the "bitter" article and before that the caption to Fowler's story was something about him being flirtatious (which most women see as a big negative).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 04/16/2008

The New York Times stated that Fowler is 61 years old, she just started up as a "citizen journalist", she gave money to Hillary because she likes the idea of a woman president, she gave to Obama, and she donated to Fred Thompson's campaign because she's originally from Tennessee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 04/16/2008

Thanks for trotting out to support Mayhill Fowler once again we can expect "citizen reporters" to stick together. I still don't see anyone really looking at the "journalist" question here. Where is the follow up? Where is the question that will elicit more information from Obama? This same comment made by Obama on Sunday was on Charlie Rose in 2004. This statement is nothing new and in reality old news that was never picked up, because "citizen journalists" are not journalists. Again stop using this term it means nothing and will more than likely end up meaning not trustworthy. Let's get serious about what the blogosphere really means before we turn it into a virtual barber shop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 04/16/2008

Linda Hansen here.

You couldn't be more wrong. My post was not--is not--intended to be devoted to a defense of Mayhill Fowler. And, believe it or not, I really am a journalist. I write liberal commentary for the op-ed page of a Deep South newspaper. I've taken abuse for being an "anti-American, anti-Christian, unpatriotic leftist who hates our troops" for years.

I am embedded in the Poverty Belt. So, as I stated in my post, I got it when Barack Obama spoke to the bitterness of the folks who've waited too long for a piece of "prosperity." I know these folks. I speak for them. I'm one of them. And I'm bitter.

I didn't like the tenor of Mayhill's post. If she doesn't get it, it's because she doesn't have to live with it. Or experience it in her daily life. For me, it's real. I'm living it.

Huffington is not the villain here. We were told, at the inception of OTB, that we are a new foray into the Hunter Thompson school of Gonzo journalism. We can be biased, interject opinion into our reporting, as long as we're honest about it.

Was Mayhill honest about her support of Obama? Maybe not. You can decide that. But don't paint all of us with the same broad brush. That would make you part of the broad brush problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 04/16/2008

Fowler's obvious problem is that she's an ELITIST and no I'm not being snarky. She lied and distorted based own her own perceived superior perceptions!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 04/16/2008

Mayhill Fowler. 2008's Linda Tripp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 04/16/2008

true, but Hillary in her own voice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 04/16/2008

And with this other "supporter" Arriana Hufington. From the LATimes article she ultimately greenlighted the release of the cell phone recording. I agree with the last post. they should get out there and support John McCain. Help him oput the way you helped me out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 04/16/2008

Praised? PRAISED?!

She should be covering her back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 04/16/2008

Mayhill Fowler..PLEASE DO SENATOR OBAMA A FAVOR AND SUPPORT HILLARY! The last the the Obama campaign needs is someone claiming to be a supporter who still has a problem with "cocky" black men (time to take that sheet out of the closet and have it cleaned)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 04/16/2008

mrman you hit the right place - Mayhill Fowler and her kind thought people are so stupid they will believe their lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 04/17/2008

What is really so sad about this is just that: the Republicans can always say no matter what the issue
that has been brought up to tear us - Democrats -down - is that we as Dems brought is up- it has
always been this way: Willie Horton was used first by Al Gore against Dukakis ; , Jeremial Wright first t brought by the Clintons. The Repubs wait for this stuff and then use it with the out that " Democrats brought iit up first" Lee Atwater is laughing along with Roger Ailes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/16/2008

Ms. Fowler should be praised beyond Obama-levels for her story and Mr. Rosen and Arianna should be nothing but extremely proud of OffTheBus. As far as I can tell, "...Bitter" goes straight to it's very admirable raison d'etre. As a Hillary supporter (I guess I'm a masochist...in some ways...) I was fairly shocked that this story originated here. Equally jaw-dropping is the even more stridently PRObama The Nation proclaiming the story fair game. Decidedly NOT surprising is the greater Obama supporter backlash. Pro-Hillary's have long been considered certifiably insane by ObamaNation no matter how reasonable the argument, now it seems it reserves equal if not greater contempt for Obama supporters daring to have legitimate questions about their candidate. Just a small sample of comment is needed to get a feel for the kill-the-messenger fervor being used to denigrate, what actually is, their own. ObamaNation will brook no such behavior, ObamaNation will have nary a disparaging word about Him. --heavy sigh--, would that there were more supporters such as Ms. Fowler and Mr. Rosen I could more easily get on board with B.Obama; since they are few and far between I cannot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 04/16/2008

I've resisted commenting on this because it is a distraction but enough!
I think that most Obama supporters would agree with his own characterization of the comments reported that he misspoke. At a time when 81% of Americans believe that the country is 'on the wrong track', noting that many people are 'bitter' should not be a fault or a surprise. But the comments on 'clinging to....' are imprecise or incomplete. They are understandable and by no means unique in the broader context of the Obama campaign and record, the comments to Charlie Rose posted in this blog, or Frank's book 'What's the Matter with Kansas'. Republicans and now Clintons seek to distract voters with silly side issues of identity rather than really addressing core issues of war, evironmental risk, and economic justice to persuade voters to vote against their own interests.
The fact that the Clinton campaign, along with republican talking heads, has seized on these comments without context for political gain is reprehensible. Certainly Hillary has more understanding than that of the point that Senator Obama was trying to make. Her fake offense taken and comments about finding the people of Pennsylvania 'resilient and not bitter' can only be disingenuous.
For contrast, Hillary did not 'misspeak' about her experience in Bosnia; she misrepresented facts. And while there has been a good deal of revulsion at that in the blogosphere, the Obama campaign has not been creating television ads to encourage the politics of personal destruction. Shame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/16/2008

Gumshew is another "suppoter" - she supports McCain. At this point it is about how McCain is being
given a free ride. No discussion of the fact that he will appoint Supreme Court judges who will over turn Roe V Wade!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 04/16/2008

Right! Arianna Huffington, Marc Cooper, Jay Rosen, Nitwil Mayhill and HuffPo will all be complicit.

And if McCain -- or, God forbitd Hillary -- wins the presidency and bombs Iran, all of the above wil
have blood on their hands.

So much for journalistic ethics, at least here.

Maybe HuffPo could have an OffTheBus Citizen Journalist who PRETENDS to be an Obama supporter get a job as a nanny at the Obama household -- think of all the out of context
quotes she could get on her tape recorder. (I am reminded of the looped out-of-context
quotes in Primary Colors -- how ironic).

Keep trying, guys! I am sure you can get your name mentioned on Meet the Press. Never
mind silly journalistic ethics. I want Dimwit Mayhill's picture on the cover of Time Magazine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 04/16/2008

If McCain gets into the White House, it is thanks to the Obama supporters who had to drive a wedge between themselves and Hillary supporters. Those who have viewed Hillary as the best candidate have been viciously attacked in these blogs by the Obama supporter. I have heard Obama supporters use foul language toward Hillary and her supporters. I have seen every argument that favors Hillary be twisted and contorted and every time Obama is criticized, his supporters accuse Hillary of the same or worse. No, if McCain becomes our next president, the fault lies with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 04/16/2008

What, the Clinton supporters are reaching out across the aisle to hold hands, singing Kum-ba-ya, with nary a cross word to say about the Obama campaign, right? I hate to tell you this, but the attacks have come from both sides -- it's absolutely asinine to pretend otherwise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 04/16/2008

I have noticed today that the biggest source of keeping this "drama" alive is the FOX (aka. FAUX) noise machine! Second to FOX would be Hillary and her campaign. So, it looks like Hillary and FOX noise have a lot in common! Is that what YOU want in your next President? Good luck with that!

REALLY Fired Up and Ready to Go!!

P.S. Keep spinning and distorting the truth, and there will be a lot more like me by the time this is all over!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 04/16/2008

And you don't think CNN and MSNBC aren't doing their level best to keep beating this until the horse dies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 04/16/2008

I believe that in one of Senator Obama's comments about the statement he made, he said that he was not perfect and that the intent of his words were not mirrored in the perception. I think that anyone who knows his background understands that he truly is not who Senators Clinton and McCain are attempting to portray from that soundbyte. It is a matter of context. Whoopi Goldberg, understanding that, read his speech aloud on the View so that everyone could hear the comment in context -- and it was neither offensive nor inaccurate. But when people become desperate, they begin to grab for anything that the media can spin into controvers; unforutunately the media is more than willing to comply. I, for one, would be more impressed if Senator Clinton would get back to the actual issues, rather than splitting hairs over semantics. This candidacy is not about race: most of his supporters here in Indiana are Anglo and it's not about gender: many of those supporters are male. It is about choosing the candidate who has shown the heart, the spirit, the integrity and the intelligence to have any hope of delivering on their promises. Considering the reality that many of the corporations who own the media are some of the major lobbyists who will be severly hampered by Senator Obama's presidency, perhaps we should approach all that we hear with a :"let the buyer beware" mentality and stop the kneejerk reactions to everything we read, see and

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 04/16/2008

What disgusts me is how you Obamabots spin things as badly as any Republican or Billary and then are so righteously indignant when you get called on it. He stuck his foot in his mouth big time and you know it. As for me? Well I'm to bitter about my guns and religion too pay much attention to what this empty suit loser has to say anyway.

BTW- The Democrats are as good at tossing out bovine manure as any Republican going. And I'm no damn Republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 04/16/2008

Is there really any difference between the remaining Clinton supporters and Republicans any more? Your candidate uses Republican attacks and talking points, elevates the Republican candidate over her own party opponent and now kisses up to Richard Mellon Scaife, the Republican billionaire who spent hundreds of millions of dollars smearing the Clintons and turning "liberal" and "Democrat" into dirty words.

And yes, you're right on one thing, the Clinton campaign has certainly proven that Democrats are as capable of tossing out bovine manure as Republicans. That's exactly what you do when you take an inartfully worded point that your opponent made, twist it completely out of context, and then build a disinformation campaign built around your distortion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 04/16/2008

CTPatriot, I can't improve on what you say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 04/17/2008

There are two places to hear the news, "Official Media" and the internet. You can't take either source at face value, though you would