ABC's Silly Moderation Hurts Obama

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The last time the Democratics debated in Philadelphia, Hillary Clinton was at the height of her dominance, enjoying great coverage, strong numbers and an inevitability aura. That debate, however, was the start of her slow decline as her rivals took shot after shot against the front-runner, leaving her badly wounded on the issue of immigration (read that debate's recap here). Tonight, it was Obama's turn to be under the spotlight: The Illinois Senator was subjected to a series of tough questions the likes of which he had not faced since the beginning of the campaign. Clearly unprepared to answer some of the questions and shocked at the moderators' persistence, Obama offered unusually weak responses.

In short, this was one of Obama's worst debate performances. Whether it will hurt him or whether it will trigger a backlash, however, is another question.

The ABC moderators took the low road tonight, spending the first 50 minutes of the debate rehashing gotcha questions and controversies. Even worse, they did so by throwing most of these ugly questions in Obama's direction; Clinton had relatively few tough personal questions to field. Many Clinton supporters will say that this is only fair after all the debates in which she was at the center of the attention. You might remember the last debate before Ohio, held as Obama seemed on the verge of clinching the Democratic nod; in what was one of the worst moderations of the cycle, Brian Williams and Tim Russert did their best to prove Clinton's allegation that the media was stacked against her.

Yet, the issue today was not as much how many questions were directed at each candidate but which questions the moderators sought to catch Obama on. Charles Gibson and George Stephanopoulous brought out a lot of the material that the Clinton campaign would love to bring up in its own effort to show that Obama is not an electable candidate; aware that some of the issues they were bringing up were not necessarily appropriate, Gibson and Stephanopoulous framed many of their questions under the electability cloak: How will you defend yourself against these charges when they are raised in the general?

We should have expected a significant portion of the debate to be devoted to bitter-gate (as it did). But I had forgotten that, since the last debate was held on February 26th, a number of issues that came up since then and that have been long since addressed by the campaigns would come back today -- starting, of course, with Reverend Wright. But after a brief interlude in which Hillary Clinton was asked to address her flawed account of her Bosnia landing, it was back to Obama with two questions that had yet to make their way into a debate:

The first was asked by a female voter in a video clip (as apparently neither moderator wanted to take it upon themselves to ask the question, as if there were not the ones choosing the topics). "Do you believe in the American flag?" she asked Obama, adding that this was not meant as an attack on his patriotism... Obama was asked to justify why he does not wear a flag pin. The second question was asked by Stephanopoulous himself who brought up... William Ayers, the rehabilitated member of the Weather Underground with which Obama has some vague and tenuous relationship (as Clinton was glad to point out, they served on the same board...). This also probably means that there will be a wave of stories on Ayers in coming days, just as Rezko's first incursion in a debate in a January led to his entrance in mainstream media coverage.

Even the questions on Wright were more brutal than Obama could have expected, for what can a question like "do you think reverend Wright likes America as much as you do" possibly mean? This had to be the Clinton campaign's dream line of questioning -- and they had to be hoping that superdelegates were watching. Again and again, Clinton made the case that she was more prepared to fight a general election; my baggage has already been rummaged through, she proclaimed, in what she was hoping would be a clear contrast to the vetting Obama was going through.

The questions might have been unfair and too exclusively directed against the Illinois Senator, but Obama should still have been much better in answering them. For one, he looked uncommonly tired, lacking energy and motivation; he was visibly struggling his way through answers, even when answering questions on Wright, a topic which he presumably knew was coming. Obama defended himself on all accounts by denouncing this sort of gotcha questions as "manufactured issues" that "distract" voters from real problems. And he clearly was frustrated enough to be asked about Ayers and the flag pin that his stump speech denunciation of the "old politics" was not as efficient as usual. Obama also attempted some improvised defenses that could have come out better; whatever the merits of the comparison and from a purely political standpoint, he should probably have avoided comparing Ayers to Senator Coburn.

Hillary Clinton, meanwhile, was all too eager to push him underwater, bringing up further elements and refusing Obama's defenses. She brought up Hamas and Farrakhan, adding, "This is a legitimate area, as everything is when we run for office." One of her most aggressive moments came during her addressing the Wright controversy, as she used one of the conservatives' favorite line of attack against Obama's race/class speech, one that Republicans are sure to use in November: "You get to choose your pastor, you don't get to choose your family." Yet, Clinton was able to not appear as negative as she could have otherwise; the moderators were bringing up all by themselves issues she herself would not have dared to approach first.

Obama was very visibly on the defensive for 45 minutes -- and that is never a good place to be. This is not to say that Obama didn't have some good responses to the moderators and to Clinton. Defending himself on bittergate, for instance, he brought up Hillary's 1992 declaration that she did not want to stay at home baking cookies. But he did not use this to attack her for elitism but rather to defend her from it, explaining that he knew then "that's not who she is, that's not what she meant." Thus, Obama brought up a moment that Clinton would rather forget while giving the impression of taking the high road. His counter to Clinton's charge on Ayers (he reminded her that her husband had pardoned two members of the Weather Underground) was also effective.

Yet, it is hard for any candidate to survive such heavy and sustained fire. At the October Philadelphia debate, Clinton was left standing at the last minutes where she took a decisive hit on the issue of illegal immigration. And Obama had not even come at his best today, making it unavoidable that the debate would reserve some rough patches.

And the debate's second half did not help Obama make up for the first 45 minutes. Clinton is usually at her best when the conversation turns to the economy and at her worst answering process questions; since she dodged the bullet on the latter today, she entered the former in strong shape, while Obama remained distraught.

It is quite another problem, however, to determine what impact the debate will have on the upcoming contests, on superdelegates and on the general election. The dominant debate story throughout this cycle's debates (with the notable exception of the first Philadelphia debate) has been that the candidate coming under the heaviest fire benefits from voters revolting against what they perceive as a fundamental unfairness. This happened quite famously in the New Hampshire debate when John Edwards and Obama tag-teamed Clinton, leading to women rallying around the New York Senator. It happened again two weeks later in South Carolina, where Edwards and Clinton became temporary allies against Obama in what was perhaps the nastiest debate of the cycle; a few days later, the black vote had rallied around Obama who carried the primary by a huge margin. Finally, it happened at the Ohio debate, in which Clinton took much more hits than Obama but the moderators' stubborn dedication to "get" her might have helped her at a time she was trying to prove that the media was biased against her.

So which past debate will tonight's showdown resemble the most? Will it trigger a backlash in favor of the candidate who was on the defensive, just as it did in NH, SC and OH? Or was it a replay of the previous Philadelphia debate, with reversed roles but the same narrative -- a front-runner is harassed and stumbles durably? A good case could be made for both scenarios: The questions were more one-sided than usual, yes, but Obama also looked much weaker than usual.

Of course, which of these two parallels is the most accurate will determine the answer to an even more important question: Will this be the last debate of this primary season?

This analysis is cross-posted on the author's blog, Campaign Diaries.

 
 

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I have an idea. At the next debate,let's excuse the candidates and let all these bloggers write about what they think shoulda, coulda, woulda been said. We can have imaginary hosts who only ask the most boring questions and never challenge a candidate's words. In the end, no one's mind will be changed but everyone will be satisfied that their candidate won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 04/18/2008

It's the Clinton media circus people. It's supposed to be either McCain or Clinton that we can pick from this November. Those are the two puppets the ones who really run our country (corporate bankers/oil/media) have already ordained! A week before a major primary a complicit media (in this case ABC who's parent co. is Disney) throws doubt at the American electorate. Last night was an obviously rigged debate. I've never seen so much non-information thrown about to whip up negativity in the name of public service or ratings. And George Stephanapoulos (Clinton staffer) was allowed to be one of the inquisitioners. Is it possible Hillary got her questions in advance?

We have such short term memories. A week before Texas, there was Nafta-gate which helped kept Hillary in the running. But whose campaign manager resigned over the Columbian Trade Deal? Now there's Bitter-gate and if that wasn't enough, they threw a national debacle-debate that was so obviously anti-Obama, it was difficult to watch without throwing something through the television. There is no doubt left in my mind that ABC has a stake in getting Hillary the nod. Was anyone listening to the threat against Iran? My god, I think it's a certainty that aggression will escalate if she or McCain become president. And maybe that's what this is all about after all"Empire. I just wish it truly was about we the people. It's time we spread a little humanity instead of aggression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 04/17/2008

WAS IT FAIR TO QUESTION OBAMA ABOUT REV. WRIGHT IN THE DEBATE? WELL, HOW ABOUT THIS QUESTION TO OBAMA SUPPORTERS: If Hillary Clinton had been going to a "white centered" church for 20 years; the fundamental theology of the church was one of white versus black; the pastor of the church often made racist remarks against blacks, and blamed all of society"s ills on black people; the pastor of the church gave David Duke a lifetime achievement award; the church supported the terrorist group, Hamas; and Hillary considered this pastor her "mentor and spiritual adviser"; would you give her the pass that you are giving Obama. Would you be enraged that a moderator in the debates would ask her a question about this affiliation? I doubt most Obama supporters could answer this question honestly, so I'll tell you what would happen if Hillary Clinton had the same sort of relationship in reverse: The righteous indignation of Obama and the media would rise up, the demand would be made that Hillary withdraw from the nomination process immediately, and Hillary's political career would be over, period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 04/17/2008

hinnis,

Finally!!! Well said and thoughtful, and to the point. I can't believe that the Huffington Post actually posted your opinion on this matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 04/18/2008

If Obama couldn't handle last night very well (which he didn't), how is he going to fend off the Republican slime machine. He needs to fess up and tell the truth about the issues like Hillary did last night. When asked about the Bosnia incident, she admitted that she exaggerated, and apologized. When asked about his knowledge of Rev. Wright's views, Obama continues to lie and expect us to believe that he had no idea his "mentor and spiritual adviser" had those views. One would have to be a moron to believe that, after his 20 year close relationship with Wright. He also lied about the flag pin issue (which, by the way, I think is a non-issue), when he stated that he had never said he wouldn't wear one. I immediately went to YouTube and found his statement that he wouldn't wear one in about 2 minutes. He also lied about the issue of his stance on gun control as stated in the questionnaire he filled out in his run for state senate. If Obama doesn't want to have many more tense moments like he had last night, he needs to be honest with the American public; he needs to admit that he is very much like politicians in general. For those who doubt this, here is an article from the Chicago Tribune about how Obama obtained his first elective office. Read this article, and then decide for yourself if he represents "change."
http://tinyurl.com/2zwwte

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 04/17/2008

Hinnis,

I know the story very well , I did my research on Senator Obama early last fall. The type of research that is rarely spoken about in the media. Yes, the "Alice Palmer' incident has a familarity about it doesn't it?

It reminds me a bit of the FLORIDA & MICHIGAN ballot/voter suppression recently by Senator Obama and his lawyers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Never mind how he threw another 'older woman' who promoted and cared for him in his 'life' (political) under the bus for political reasons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 04/18/2008

"That debate, however, was the start of her slow decline as her rivals took shot after shot against the front-runner, leaving her badly wounded ..."

When exactly has Hillary been the front-runner except in her mind?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 04/17/2008

all of 2007, when her candidacy was inevitable? What, did you just wake up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 04/18/2008

HOW OBAMA HAS USED GEORGE BUSH/KARL ROVE TACTICS TO OBTAIN OVER $62,000,000 FOR HIS CAMPAIGN, SO FAR!:
The Washington Post -- April 11,2008 -- Obama gets plenty of money from big donors too: "Sen. Barack Obama credits his presidential campaign with creating a 'parallel public financing system' built on a wave of modest donations from homemakers and high school teachers. ... But those with wealth and power also have played a critical role in creating Obama's record-breaking fundraising machine, and their generosity has earned them a prominent voice in shaping his campaign. Seventy-nine 'bundlers,' five of them billionaires, have tapped their personal networks to raise at least $200,000 each. ... Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama's total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million. ... The bundler list also sheds light on those who might seek to influence an Obama White House. They have helped the campaign recruit more than 27,000 donors to write checks for $2,300, the maximum allowed. Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama's total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million. The use of bundlers was perfected by George W. Bush, who in 2000 and 2004 set some fundraising records that Obama has shattered.
http://tinyurl.com/6dtgq6

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 04/17/2008

I kept on waiting for the moderators to go after Clinton the way they went after Obama last night. She did not wipe off that smug self-righteous look off of her face once last night. The way she piled on top of Obama was truly horrible. Why didn't the moderators follow up and call her liar after she admitted she fabricated the story. They would have done that to Obama. I

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/17/2008

Yes, I could not believe how many rounds they needed for each Obama smear and how Clinton's "issues" somehow just didn't need much attention at all. Maybe I'm wrong, but the only real gotcha question for Clinton that I can remember was the sniper question. She said she wasn't dumb and would try to sleep more and have people around to - what, remind her not to lie? Obama gave her a pass on it, very gallant of him, but the moderators didn't have to.

They could have asked her how she would deal with the Republicans playing videos of her actual Bosnia arrival and her fraudulent description of the arrival over and over (like they asked Obama), especially given the pre-existing questions about her credibility. They could have pointed out that "mistakes" and "things that weren't in keeping with what I knew to be the case" are very euphemistic terms for her repeated, elaborate, detailed, dramatic, self-serving lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 04/18/2008

His connections with Avery and Farrakhan and others or even Rezko is not people he just happen to know but rather people he sought out and banked on jump starting his political career. When David Duke used KKK connections and then later distanced himself from them is that any different? These are not just people but people he got votes and support from that he had to count on and did count on to win. We still do not know a clear answer on the flag pin. I know it is not this all important issue but what I don"t like is the habit of immediately being defensive and giving answers that are ambiguous and designed to move away from the question.The bitter issue is larger then bitter! He got caught gossiping about small town rural people and why they are not supporting him. He basically was confirming to the metro people that yeah they are red neck hicks with hang-ups. Not all this pure motives he ascribes to himself

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/17/2008

Last night's debate was egregiously awful and ABC should take a hit ratings wise and go down as a very bourgeois network. I read on MSNBC this morning that Barack Obama seemed 'wimpy'. Now we not only have him taking heat because of his name and the fact of his bi-racial heritage (why on hell else would people be so obsessed with whether he wears one of those silly flag pens?) but we have sexism reversed. If he were a woman would he have been considered wimpy? Hillary was considered just too precious this winter when she grew teary.

I thought he was, as always, a picture of grace and strength under fire. This makes him a dream come true if Americans will have the good sense to vote him in this Fall. Of course, we still have that horrible reality that Billary could steal the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/17/2008

Bottom line is that I agree with Hillary Clinton! Rev. Wright would not have been my pastor. It was not 5 little snippets like Obama wants us to all believe it was. This tone of message was in the majority of Rev. Wright"s sermons. Rev. Wright is considered by contemporaries as one of leaders of his particular radical school of thought in liberation theology. There are 116 United Church of Christ in the Chicago area and over 2 dozen within the same distance from Barack and Michelle Obama's house. I would have found the need to choose another pastor without those anti-American racist views. Rev. Wright is not the first pastor to do good and preach good right along with there messages of hate and division. You can gather together a very long list of those from every race, creed, color, age, sex, and orientation who have done this and are doing this. Why should Obama give Rev. Wright a free pass? Why should he ask us to give Rev. Wright a free pass? Why should we give Obama a free pass on both of these questions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/17/2008

So go to church and repent, for chrissakes. You couldn't be more judgmental. Read that bible a bit more closely...whilst you throw those stones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 04/17/2008

Lol, after the way Campbell Brown sucked Obama's toes, and Tim Russert looked like a vicious troll ready to leap over the table at Clinton, I think it's pretty rich that Obama supporters and the Obamedia are crying over this debate. This is far from the nastiest questioning in a debate, but this time some of it was aimed at Obama for a change. The problem wasn't the debate format or questions, it was Obama's performance. If he'd handled his responses really well, y'all would be rejoicing and showering him with praise. He didn't.

For the record, I still think the flag pin crap is nonsense. And I'll concede that MAYBE because I've seen so much bias against Clinton, a little bias against Obama isn't visible to me. Either way, she's faced the firing line in these debates numerous times, and the bias was obvious - it's a little late, and lame, to be crying fowl now, and the media uproar coming to his defense just makes that more obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/17/2008

I was waiting for questions to Hellary about Marc Penn, Colombia, Wall-Mart, $109,000,000 in the bank, proceedings from questionable sources, her example to the young on videos showing her drinking. I waited in vain. The moderator clowns were too busy with the made in China flag lapel, who shows you are a "patriot".
In reality, I was waiting for questions on Health Care, Global Warming, price of gas. That what I was really waiting to hear. The shameful circus MSM did it again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 04/17/2008

There is no way this debate hurt Obama. Actually, I think it will help him over time. Voters, who are not radical Hillary followers, know that this was not a debate to obtain substance. It seemed to be built on all the irrelevant headlines. This debate should have been facilitated by Jerry Springer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 04/17/2008

It amazes me that when Hillary is being questioned vigorously that just fine, but ask some tough questions that need to be answered by Barack and somehow it becomes irrelevant.

What the hell is his problem about wearing a lapel pin, for Christ's sake just wear it.

Why is Barack still defending Wright? Barack said he did not know about the comments Wright made, he was not there, but ask Wright not to give a speech for him because "he can get kinda rough in his speeches", so if he did not hear those comments in church what speeches is he then talking about that get rough?

The proverbial word is not bitter, it is cling. I do not cling to my faith because I am bitter, but because I love the Lord. My husband and son (both hunt in the mountains of PA) do not cling to their guns because they are bittter, but because they are sportsmen.

This issues go to BO's judgment. If he can't take these questions, as he was apparently visually upset and how dare they (Charlie and George) ask me to explain myself.

As to the Ayers issue I certainly need to do some research on that subject and President Clinton's pardon.

Unfortunately for me, Barack is unelectable in the general.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 04/17/2008

On the contrary, I thought Obama handled these very obvious attacks well - and refused to be dragged down into the mud in the process.

Results? "In an unscientific ABC News web site poll, Obama was seen as the clear winner. Sixty-eight percent of respondents (27,495) said Obama won the debate, while only 24 percent (9,874) thought Clinton won the debate. Eight percent (3,194) thought it was a tie, as of Thursday morning. An NBC text poll also found Obama was seen as the winner."

Here"s my VERY FAVORITE quote from the debate: "I just said some things that weren't in keeping with what I knew to be the case" - wow - is that like saying "I lied" - ??? - talk about doublespeak.

Meanwhile: at least 5-6 new superdelegates for Obama. Good. Let"s have some more, please, ASAP.

And: UPDATED 4/17 **
Paper Endorsement: The Philadelphia Daily News has endorsed Obama, who has been polling strongly in the city of brotherly love.

Pretty good results.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 04/17/2008

"Results? "In an unscientific ABC News web site poll, Obama was seen as the clear winner. Sixty-eight percent of respondents (27,495) said Obama won the debate, while only 24 percent (9,874) thought Clinton won the debate. Eight percent (3,194) thought it was a tie, as of Thursday morning. An NBC text poll also found Obama was seen as the winner."

I am much less puzzled by results Like these since I figured out that Obamanuts are the NEW freepers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 04/17/2008

Just a few of Obama"s misrepresentations in the debate. Obama indicated that he had never said he wouldn't wear the flag pin. Here is a video of him saying just that, i.e. "I won't wear that pin."
http://tinyurl.com/6gcrzh

He also changed his story once again about what he knew about Rev. Wright. Now he says he saw an article in Rolling Stone Magazine about Wright prior to him disinviting him to his campaign kick-off.

Also, when asked about his stance on gun control, and his answers to a questionnaire that he filled out regarding his state senate run, the moderator mentioned to him that his own handwriting was on the questionnaire; Obama then lied and said it wasn't.

See this article from the Politico entitled: Politico Busts Barack Obama In More Lies

http://tinyurl.com/2f5tmm

See also this article from RealClearPolitics this morning about Obama's misrepresentations, and flub-ups:
http://tinyurl.com/57cdo3

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 04/17/2008

Obama does not have to wear a flag pin. He is patriotic cause he'll nail those awful people in the Bush Administration for torture, war crimes, etc....you know, the ones that often wear the flag pins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/17/2008

I agree. I don't care whether he wears one or not. But I do care about the extent to which he keeps lying about the issues, and this is just another one of those lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 04/17/2008

Using an editorial from Dick Polman as evidence for your claims shows... well.. you don't have facts to lean on, don't you think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 04/17/2008

Yeah, I know. Whenever someone busts Obama on his lies, it's the journalist's fault. News flash, your messiah is NOT perfect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 04/17/2008

I live in the middle of the Bible Belt and the only ones wearing that flag pin since the Gulf War are elderly Republican geezers. I had to explain to a friend in Connecticut last night what a flat pin
is.

A briliant Commentor here explained the Flag Pin Controversy to me:

Regarding the flag pins question and Charlie's piss poor rationale for allowing such dreck to take up even A LITTLE of the debate time that his network was entrusted with, I would offer this observation and question;

Every day in this country, people suffer serious brain damage in accidents of all sorts, and people are born with numerous different abnormalities that reduce their cognitive funtioning to a near vegatative state, and if people who are actually interested in the flag pin debate get to ask a question because, according to Charlie, it keeps coming up again and again, then why did he not follow up with the question that clearly keeps coming up from the group that I referenced above?

"So senator Obama, I now have to ask this question, which, like the lapel pin question, keeps coming up again and again";

BLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhh...........ack. ppfffffffffffffffffffft. (gurgle, drool, indistinct gutteral
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Let me guess. You drive a road ark plastered with Support Our Troops stickers, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 04/17/2008

I don't care whether he wears a flag pin or not. This is an issue of credibility; when Obama is asked an uncomfortable question in the debates, or anywhere else for that matter, he tends to lie and hope that few people will actually catch him. The flag pin issue and the questionnaire issue I've outlined above are just two of many such issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 04/17/2008

This was a set-up payback by George and ABC to the Clintons.

Worst Debate Ever!

However, Hillary did offered a great bumper sticker:

HILLARY, OBAMA CAN BEAT MCCAIN! "YES, YES YES!"

And after the head scratching for the missing intellectual debate, Obama won, by

being a true Gentleman to Hillary and the two ABC/DISNEY KISS BUTTS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 04/17/2008

Here's the real math behind Clinton's continued campaign: 60 plus 4 = 64. Clinton's 60 years old. She knows she won't get the nomination, or the Presidency, eight years from now when she's 68 (only 3 years younger than McCain is now). But she can get it in 2012, when she's only 64 - unless Obama's already in the White House, in which case he'll almost certainly be renominated. If Obama wins this election, Clinton will never be President. If he loses, Clinton gets another shot. So Clinton strings this thing out - and does everything she can to pull Obama down - while Republican strategists cheer her on, not because she realistically believes she can win in '08, but to preserve her shot at '12.

M.S. Bellows, Jr.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 04/17/2008

And us old radicals that still are sat back and laughed while singing "You do not need a weatherman to know which way the wind is blows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 04/17/2008

ABC = rightwign parrots

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 04/17/2008

The real losers were the American people. Shame on ABC. I won't bother with "shame on Hillary" because she has demonstrated that she is shameless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 04/17/2008