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In a Final Analysis: For ABC, A Missed Opportunity

April 20, 2008 11:11 PM


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Jason Linkins is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, covering media and politics. He's based in Washington, DC. Previously, he wrote for HuffPo's Eat The Press, and has also contributed to DCist and Wonkette.


So, seen any good debates lately?

Wait, stop. Of course, we know the answer. You haven't. Not unless you happened to host your own in Second Life or something, or maybe catch the Compassion Forum from a week ago, which was not technically, a debate, but was -- at times -- technically, "good."

By contrast, ABC hosted a debate this week and it had all the hallmarks of frustration and failure. It was lazy in its execution, obsessed with the small-minded dross of process and scandal, incoherent in its approach to issues, and openly hostile to the interests of voters. Prior to the debate, I sent an email to my colleague and friend, Rachel Sklar, predicting that the balance of the questions would favor electoral process and media obsession questions to the detriment of issues of the public interest. As the debate started to unfold, I realized, "Wow. The story tomorrow will be how resolutely awful this debate was." History shall reflect that on both matters, I was absolutely, one-hundred percent correct.

The debate has its defenders, most notably David Brooks, because wherever there is need for dimwitted non-thought, he is there. Also, Washington DC's most navel-gazing of the wonkdweebs, Politico's John Harris and Jim VandeHei, who say ALL criticism of the debate stems from an Obama-besotted media (wrong) that has never been anything but kind to the Illinois senator (wrong: madrassa, secret Muslim, pledge of allegiance) and it's time that Obama's most fervent supporters grew up (right, and you can begin that process by reading Alex Balk's post debate reaction).

Well, the wonderful thing about my own criticism of the debate is that as far as the supporters of Ms. Clinton and Mr. Obama are concerned, they can find in it, a critique both exacting, ecumenical, and primarily concerned with the way Gibson and Stephanopoulos' shoddy product was an insult to viewers of all stripes: Clintonistas, Obamaniacs, Don't-Care-Who-Just-Give-Me-A-Nominee-ites, Still Clinging To My John Edwards Wishful Thinkers, even lonely, uncommitted houseplants that just want to quietly photosynthesize in the corner of the room. So, one can, in fact, slag ABC's performance without picking a side in the race. (Though, that one side, sure could make a solid case!) And with that out of the way, we return to the larger ramifications of this debate.

I'm not just disappointed, I'm frankly, really surprised that ABC failed so completely in their task. This was a network news outfit's chance to shine, and get back some of the vitality and importance they'd been ceding in recent years. If you check out the Project for Excellence in Journalism's "State of the News Media" for 2008, network evening news continues to decline in popularity. ABC is often the most stable outfit of the three, but they face the same challenges: against the 24/7 cable outlets, the networks can't be the fastest, and often aren't the first. The only choice is to be better.

And that's why this ABC debate was so surprising! For some reason, Gibson and Stephanopoulos chose to spend the entire first hour of the debate rehashing the cable news' greatest hits of pointless obsession: Tuzla, flag pins, Reverend Wright, polls and electability debates. None of it was new. None of it was even interesting, anymore. The public had spent almost a month and a half having these topics examined, dissected, deconstructed, and beaten, as with a cricket bat, into the ground.

From what I've been able to gather, it can take a lot of significant time and labor to craft a set of debate questions. It's actually possible to spend a considerable number of man-hours, carefully contemplating the right range and mix of questions and laboring over the precise language. Not so the ABC debate! That slate of questions could have been come up with in the time it takes Stephanopoulos and Gibson to take a ride in an elevator together or pop a squat (hopefully, separately).

Cheap, lazy, and embarrassing. And you could see every bit of that combo platter up on the screen...especially with those astoundingly silly bumpers that purposelessly quoted the Constitution. Still, the whole tatty effort has been defended at length by ABC. None moreso than Stephanopoulos, who has said that the questions he's been asking are the ones that will keep coming up, and that a voter can assess a candidate's toughness by how well these particular ones are answered.

This defense is entirely incoherent. In the first place, the fact that questions have been asked and will continue to be asked does not in any way obligate ABC to do the same! What's special about being the latest clown in a long line of clowns to ask the same question? And if Stephanopoulos -- or anyone in the media, for that matter -- actually believe that their role is to somehow "toughen up" the candidate, well, they need to understand that this is a fundamental misread of their job. If Charlie and George want to toughen up candidates, they need to go work on a campaign. (Though, you should note that -- as we learned earlier this week - when Stephanopoulos was working on campaigns, he was happy to whine about the media.) As long as they work for ABC news, their job is to serve the public interest.

They could have -- indeed, should have -- with a more probing set of questions. And, believe me, it can be done! Check out the quality of questions asked at the CNN Compassion Forum. By the guest speakers, anyway -- CNN's moderators similarly trended toward the useless. The guest interlocutors, however, asked the candidates questions that showed great depth and considerable variety, mined topics that have received less attention, were just the sort of "tough" questions the candidates need to face, and -- not coincidentally -- elicited a better set of responses from the candidates.

Some of our commenters have been way ahead, and thinking in depth, on this matter. I've seen suggested lines of inquiry that would have done us all a world of good last Wednesday night. Will the candidates roll back the unprecedented number of powers claimed by the Bush White House? How will the United States deal with an unfolding global hunger crisis? What actions can we take today to change Cuba's political destiny? If we want to get a gauge of the candidate's electability against McCain, don't put their opponent on the spot, use the policies that McCain has put forward! Ask Clinton and Obama to respond to McCain's gas tax holiday, his approach to the housing crisis, or his responses to the recent testimony of David Petraeus. No one need worry about whether or not attention will continue to be paid to issues like Bosnia or Reverend Wright, each of those cable nets still have one hundred and sixty-eight hours each week to fill.

Strangely enough, ABC's failures have created an interesting opportunity for the news division that needs a game-changer the most: CBS News. Should there be a debate before the North Carolina primary, it will be the Eye's to manage. The venture, as of right now, still seems a little ill-starred -- Clinton looked to bail on the debate initially, but now she's the one who's agreed to participate while Obama hedges -- but if CBS and Katie Couric get the opportunity to host a debate, ABC's failings have set their news division up to shine by comparison. In fact, if Obama really is feeling slighted by ABC News, he should be going out of his way to ensure that CBS's debate comes off, because they have the means and the motivation to put Gibson and Stephanopoulos to shame. Well, whatever part of them hasn't been put to shame already, anyway.

 

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Spot on!

ABC News posted as poor a showing at this debate as can possibly be posted. Instead of going for the meat and asking questions that had meaning to all Americans, they decided, for some unknown reason, to climb down into the mud with the worst of what passes for journalism today. These questions would have been more at home coming from the likes of Sean Hannity and Michael Savage. In fact, some say that some of it did come from Sean Hannity, so it shouldn't be any surprise that the end result was somewhat south of acceptable.

As stated, the job of Stephanopoulos and Gibson was not to 'toughen up' the candidates. Who do they think they are working for and how twisted do they see their job? These men have a duty to the American people, that of keeping them informed in order to allow them to make an informed decision. They threw that responsibility away with both hands, and their mouths.

Gibson and Stephanopoulos, you just earned my 'Why Bother' award, usually given to Rush Limbaugh or Dr. Laura. By the way, if you don't like the mud being slung at you, perhaps you shouldn't have decided to wallow in the journalistic muck. As far as serious journalism is concerned, you two are entirely inconsequential.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 04/21/2008

Interesting that this was this debate had the highest ratings of any of the other 20 debates. We know their positions on the issues as well as do they after 20 debates. There is not a dimes worth of difference in either candidate.

Barack is running on his character alone. He has no track record, no accomplishments or qualifications. Why would he be opposed, and ridicule questions that inquire into his character.

What I know so far is that his mentor, close friend and advisor is a black racist and hates america. One of Barack's friends is an admited terrorist, anti-American with no remorse and only wishes they had bombed and killed more people. One of Barack's main fund raisers is on trial in Chicago and is a kinpin in the Chicago Outfit. The same person arranged for a questionalble "loan" of $3.5 Million for Barack to buy his Estate.

That's just the tip of the iceberg. I think George and Charles should have asked a lot more such questions.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 04/21/2008

I watched the debate. It lack substance and objectivity.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 04/21/2008

You had to know what ABC's corporate agenda was when, despite a lot of protests, they insisted on airing that 5-hour mini-series back in September 2006 called "The Path to 9/11", a dramatization of the events leading up to 9/11 that was supposedly based on the 9/11 Commission Report. Instead, the movie contained many scenes that were complete and total fiction and, as I recall, it could best be described as a hatchet-job on the Clinton administration. ( WaPo's Tom Shales described "The Path to 9/11" as "Factually shaky, politically inflammatory and photographically a mess". ) Would now be a good time to mention that "The Path to 9/11" was produced by the Disney Co, ABC's parent? Would now be a good time to suggest that Disney pretty much controls ABC's new division as well as its entertainment division?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 04/21/2008

Finally someone in the mainstream media has put down the Obama pom poms and engaged in some journalism instead of just cheer leading. Obama is toast - he's unelectable by the mainstream. There is no answer for Obama's entire adult lifetime membership in the Trinity Church & his support and close relationship for his pal and mentor, Reverend Wright other now known as Obama's pastor disaster. That's why Obama stutters and stammers when having to explain his friendship with the racist Wright. If Obama were white a 20 year membership in a church that preached racist anti black sermons & honored the head of the American Nazi Party (identical to honoring Farakhan who has made a lifetime career out of Jew Hating) would have already got him tossed out of the senate. Forget about running for Pres.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 04/21/2008


Same here.
I have stopped watching the networks news already since Jennings passed on and Rather left.
Even PBS McLehrer (correct? See, I even forgot its title), I stopped watching because David Brooks is there regularly making opinions, rather showing his love for McBush.
I have since read the blogs for my own dose of news and commentaries.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 04/21/2008


Stephanopoulos is an a-hole. He is an opportunist of the first order. He failed as a politician and now he fails as a reporter. Gibson should have known better. The time of crisis is upon the US and the world and we get lapel pin questions. The Military industrial order is seeking another 4+ years through McCain and the networks provide the helping hand by trying to keep us all dumb.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 04/21/2008

Full disclosure: I don't watch TV, so I didn't see the infamous ABC "debate," nor have I been able to subject myself to the audio. So I am going by short clips I've heard and by what I have read, all of which confirm my decision to keep the TV off.

All of that said, what's surprising about ABC's performance? Fox "News" led the trend to corporate media infotainment as Republican propaganda, ABC is following, and CBS and NBC will follow suit soon enough. And whatever anger it might arouse among the shrinking minority who still want to be thinking citizens of a genuine democracy, I don't expect ratings to be harmed at all. (I'll be very happy to be proved wrong.) Serving the public interest? Ha ha, what a quaint Enlightenment-era notion.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 04/21/2008

Better questions were asked by YouTubers....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 04/21/2008

Stephanopoulos's assumption that a journalist's role is to "toughen up a candidate" is due to his lack of the intelligence and the intellectual curiosity to do the hard ground work to prepare for meaningful debate questions. Stephanopoulos bailed on presenting any reasonable questions because he is lazy and rather stupid.
If Stephanopoulos wanted to ask tough questions he should seek out Jesse Ventura. Maybe if he asked Jesse too many questions of the same caliber exhibited in that debacle called a debate, Jesse could end Stephanopoulos's career as a "The Face".

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 04/21/2008

Obama should duck any CBS debate. Katie Couric is a lazy, unprofessional, propagandist that apparently took her lessons from Josef Gobbel , the Nazi. Further, her annual $15 million salary is an albatross around the neck of CBS News. She will soon be canned for bringing CBS to a new low. Due to her imminent dismissal, I would not want a loose cannon like Katie asking any questions other than for a new job interview somewhere. I would not trust her on the premise that CBS may attempt to "outshine" ABC. You are setting the bar way too low. A bunch of motorcyclists interviewed on Bill Moyer's (sp) Friday nite HBO show indicated an intelligence and knowledge of issues that shows the dolts Couric, Gibson and Stephy are clueless.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 04/21/2008

It was Bill Mahers show .... Real Time. I saw it also. I hope that those guys he interviewed represent a good cross section of the white men voting in Penn and around the country. For the longest time I believed that these types would vote race instead of bank account but if this cross section is a true representative then there is hope. I find it ironic that so many would vote Billary or McCain. It's like saying "since their skin is the same as mine then we have the same interest. Yeah ... OK ... sure!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 04/21/2008

It"s great that George and Charles are now going to make it their business to let everyone know the sort of people our politicians associate with. Now to be fair, and I know they want to be fair, they need to go back (I know they had more important things to do at the time that they were actually happening) and cover some of the people that our current president hangs around with or whom he has done favors for. Right off the top of my head I can think of the fact that he allowed the bin Laden family to leave the US right after 9/11 and to this day he holds hands with the leader of Saudi Arabia " and as we know, 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Then there are those in his administration who re-introduced torture to the civilized world and there were some questionable characters when he bought that baseball team. I can"t wait to hear Charles and George cover these stories now (better late than never) over and over " just like they cover Obama's.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 04/21/2008

ABC news = Fox news Jr.

They have lost all credibility!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 04/21/2008

I doubt obama will agree to any debates until after the results of the Penn. Primary.
But, the one thing I noticed is that instead of the traditional media seeing the fallout of the debacle debate has chosen not to take the opportunity to reflect upon it's own failings in political coverage. Or in journalism on the whole.
Instead they excuse it all by blaming Obama's supporters and the netroots. They dismiss the criticism as just a bunch of supporters whining. Not that people of both candidates and undecideds felt extremely insulted by that debate and by the way the TM treats us as a whole. That maybe it's time to get serious and change how they cover stories and giving important and factual information.
That is a chance the media blew as a whole.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 04/21/2008

ABC did indeed miss a HUGE opportunity to benefit themselves. They were GUARANTEED a huge audience and they clearly knew it, judging by the number of commercials they showed. But incredibly they didn't have the faintest of what the audience was looking for. .

ABC still has reporters that practice responsible professional journalism, but they are not the ones in charge. Had they looked to them for the questions instead of the usual suspects, not only would the "debate" have been much improved but ABC would have garnered points from what are clearly the most important demographics now and for the near future--Democrats in general and young Demoncrats in particular.
If the grand poobahs of ABC had paid attention to over a year's worth of public sentiment and interest they could have delivered what the 'market' clearly wanted and needed--subtantial questions that would deliver the desired product of relevant information. Had they taken that apporoach not only would they have enjoyed critical success, they would have enjoyed COMMERCIAL success too! ABC would have been the go-to guys to see the biggest show in town from here-on out.

Instead they clearly lost viewers, and not just for ABC News but for This Week and even GMA. That's just bad business, never mind the ideals of journalism. And where are those viewers going to go? To the Internet--and the advertising dollars will follow..

Charlie Gibson may well find himself actually joining the "middle class" in the near future.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 04/21/2008

I haven't forgotten how nasty and patronizing Katie Couric was when she interviewed John and Elizabeth Edwards on "60 Minutes" shortly after the Edwards announced that Elizabeth's cancer had returned. I have a hunch Couric would have the same attitude towards Obama if we're subjected to another Democratic debate on CBS. Fool me once, shame on you ... I'm now officially boycotting any and all ABC News programs after last week's debacle -- if CBS News hosts the next one I doubt that I'd even watch it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 04/21/2008

You are right reddogs; I haven't watched Katie Couric since Elizabeth Smart was found and returned home because all Couric was interested in was whether or not Elizabeth was sexually abused or not. It sickened me and I can't get past Couric's yellow journalism style. Since then, she has gotten blonder and slimier.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 04/21/2008

Photoshop!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 04/21/2008

You're right, 3reddogs. Don't expect anything but more of the same from CBS.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 04/21/2008

You are right 3reddogs. The only thing that is going to change the corporate culture at CBS and ABC is diminished revenue flow as people stop watching their crap. When the money dries up and profits turn to losses, ABC and CBS may try to get back to real news. I think it is too late , too much competition. After that performance by Gibson, ABC should fire him and cancel their 1/2 hour nightly news . It will get to the point where nobody watches propaganda and entertainment spots by Gibson and Couric, Network "Nightly News" is going the way of the Do Do Bird.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 04/21/2008

ABC news has been for years the only MSM newscast I regularly watch, but increasingly less so since the death of veteran journalist Peter Jennings. The newscast quality has decreased noticeably, and I'm afraid this most recent Presidential debate was an indication of that downward trend At the point ABC finally levels off (professional caliber of 20:20's John Stossel's "Give Me A Break" , perhaps?) , I probably won't even recognize their opening theme and bumper music.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 04/21/2008

Clinton initially didn't want the debate because the first date offerred was last week, before the PA primary. Obama agreed to that one initially I imagine because he was hoping to use two debates just before PA to deliver the knockout punch in PA.

When the date was changed to after the PA primary, Clinton agreed. I would imagine in hopes that after a win in PA, this would give her a chance to raise her numbers in both NC and IN.

After the ABC debate, I'm not sure now whether Obama will ever agree to another debate again.

If Obama doesn't, Clinton should offer herself up to CBS for a one on one with Couric. Or, an even bolder move would be to offer to debate McCain on CBS if Obama won't do it. That would rile up Obama, don't you think? I would guess CBS would jump all over it if McCain would go for it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 04/21/2008

Complete BS. Usually when you are behind in a state, you want the debate and when you are ahead, you do not. Clinton wanted to debate Obama in states he was ahead and he turned her down time after time. This is because Obama knows he has not beaten Clinton in a debate in 15 months, meaning ever.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 04/21/2008

And? She's still losing, so what do we make of that?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 04/21/2008

Since you asked, you should know that the DNC"s caucus based proportional system based upon previous primary turnout is 100% different than the general election. Obama has outspent Clinton from 2x to 10x in certain areas and can only count IL as a large primary win in his column. So if you use the same system as the general election uses, the one that actually elects the president, she would be 100 delegates ahead.

So Obama is winning because he cleverly gammed the DNC system (to his credit) but Obama and Axelrod have also not fessed up that Obama runs much weaker than Clinton against McCain in the general EC winner take all system. He is less electable than Clinton in the election that matters.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 04/21/2008

I only have one thing to say to you ntmessage - "Figures lie and Liars figure" ( Mark Twain)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 04/21/2008

Thanks for the insightful response on the point.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 04/21/2008

Sorry, Polls show Obama ahead of Clinton in a matchup against McCain. ANd Clinton is still slipping.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 04/21/2008

you are talking the national poll which doesn't reflect state by state electoral college results. Here are the polls you need to look at

Clinton v McCain
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/Apr21.html


Obama v McCain
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/Apr21.html

Please note that two of the states Obama was hyping that he would win MO and VA are both in the McCain column

Also, Obama isn't ahead in any of the RED states he won primaries in.

Obama is only 2% up in Mass, the bluest of blue states.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 04/21/2008

Not in the Electoral College, the measurement that matters. Please check your facts.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 04/21/2008

Asking, have you seen any good debates lately, objective people involved in the political process for more than a few years would need clarification or a reframing of the question. A better way to put it would be have you seen a debate where Obama was won. In addition, the answer over the last 15 months would be no, not yet.

Frankly shouting down a 2:1 majority of people with an obvious opposing view or attempting to rewrite history after the fact ignores the blaring blunder where Obama himself took 45 minutes to inadequately answer a few questions that should have been put to rest in 10 minutes, never to be asked again.

Obama has always proven good at the rhetoric that failed him in the recent debate while losing on real issues time after time. In fact for such a light weight (in terms of policy that he himself admits is not his strong point) to mess up his only advantage, brand and rhetoric makes many wonder if a vote for Obama would actually be a vote for McBush.

Cheap, lazy and embarrassing. Yes, not for ABC the messenger for today, but for Obama and his campaign.

Off topic, responses or adolescent flames will be ignored.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 04/21/2008

Great post!

Obama is best during scripted, partisan stump speeches where he gets to ramble on about "hope", "good government" and some unexplained notion of "we". Besides that, not much there.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 04/21/2008

If Obama is losing on so many issues, why is he ahead?

You really should apply to FOX news, your logic would fit in neatly.