White House challenges release of visitor logs

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MATT APUZZO | April 21, 2008 09:32 PM EST | AP

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President Bush carries an umbrella as the walks from the Oval Office of the White House in Washington in a pouring rain, Monday, April 21, 2008, for a trip to New Orleans, La., to meet with North American leaders. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

WASHINGTON — A federal appeals court sought compromise Monday between a liberal group demanding the names of White House visitors and the Bush administration, which says releasing the names would erode the president's power.

If released, the documents would show how often prominent religious conservatives visited the White House and Vice President Dick Cheney's residence, allowing a glimpse into how much influence they exerted on government policy.

White House calendars are not generally considered public records, but reporters and watchdog groups have used Secret Service documents, which normally are public, to report on White House visitors.

Rather than having those documents released on a case-by-case basis, the Bush administration wants them considered White House documents, which would keep them from public view for more than a decade.

A federal judge rejected White House arguments in December and ordered the documents released. On appeal before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, government attorneys said the president has a well-established right to seek advice privately.

Releasing lists of visitors would trample on that right, said Justice Department lawyer Jonathan F. Cohn, and the logs should be treated like other White House documents.

The judges were skeptical. They said they wanted to find a way to protect the president's rights without broadly prohibiting access to information that should be public.

"What in the documents are so quintessentially presidential?" asked Judge David S. Tatel.

"The name of the person going in to visit," Cohn replied.

"That's a public building," Tatel said. "You can stand out on 17th Street and watch who goes in and out."

"The Secret Service might have some qualms with that," Cohn responded.

"They might have some qualms but they couldn't stop you from doing it," said Chief Judge David B. Sentelle.

Rather than balancing the president's interest with the public's, Tatel said, the government was simply disregarding the Freedom of Information Act. He said the policy would allow the president to "draw a curtain around the White House."

Judge Merrick B. Garland said he was concerned the Bush administration's policy could extend to other White House agencies such as the budget office, which normally releases public records. Under the government's theory, Garland said, visits to the White House social planner, caterer and gardener would all be secret because the president needs to receive advice privately.

The judges seemed equally dissatisfied with the argument of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, the group seeking the documents. Sentelle and Tatel said the group was using the Secret Service as an end-run, a way to get documents that normally would not be public.

"I think Congress would be surprised that, by requiring the president to receive Secret Service protection, it was opening up his calendars," Tatel said.

Sentelle became frustrated and at one point put his head in his hands after pressing attorney Anne L. Weismann to acknowledge that the president must be allowed to seek advice privately. He repeatedly urged her to explain how to balance the two interests.

"I don't understand what you don't understand," Sentelle said. "You're not acknowledging the separation-of-powers problem."

The judges pressed both sides to offer a compromise that would strike the right balance. Government lawyers said they couldn't discern from the logs which meetings were presidential policy meetings and which ones might not be sensitive, such as a meeting with the White House gardener. Weismann bristled at the idea that the government's only solution was blanket secrecy.

"I haven't heard from you a counter-suggestion," Tatel told Weismann. "We've never had a case like this."

Garland seemed to search for a solution short of the government's blanket secrecy but that would not allow journalists and special-interest groups to regularly request the names of every visitor to the White House. Under that scenario, he said, the president could never ensure that any meeting was confidential.

The court did not immediately rule on the case. Nearly two dozen news organizations, including The Associated Press, filed court documents supporting the release of the Secret Service logs.

During the administration of President Clinton, political opponents made extensive use of Secret Service logs documenting White House visits by donors, money-raisers, pardon-seekers and former White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

 
 

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So we are a beacon for freedom, democracy, and transparency, huh? We were until these foxes were let into the henhouse by the Supremes.

So how does one get urine stains off the parchment the Constitution is written on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 04/22/2008

I think you mean White House lies not "logs". Gas is freakin $3.79 a gallon in Chicago and their trying to cover their butts. Classic Bush!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 04/21/2008

I'm glad people have mentioned Jeff Gannon's overnight visits to the WH ... he was there on days where there were no press conferences .... not to mention the overnight stays as recorded in the records they are trying to keep secret.

Part of the problem is that if you suggest that the Republican Party is completely comprised of closeted, power-fellating homosexuals, you get accused of being a homophobe, even though it is true.

Truth is no match for political correctness, never has been.

Gay men don't want to admit this, or if they do, they want to blame it on straight people somehow (like being in the closet is the result of self-loathing - no it's part of the kink, i'm afraid). Even Dan Savage refused to accept Senator Larry Craig as being gay, saying he belongs to the straight world, because he is "straight-identified." This is complete and utter bullshit.

If the Repubes were properly outed, they would lose the fundamentalist Christians for a generation and be totally unelectable as a result.

They are the fringe party. Fringe, lace, and codpieces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 04/21/2008

Those thugs probably want to hide the fact that they've had Tony Soprano at the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 04/21/2008

Nope! I think it all has something to do with W's 3rd grade elementary school teacher who has been faithfully visiting him and giving him tutoring lessons (still?)...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 04/21/2008

I started to get aggravated when I read this story, but then I realized that this is only the latest in a long line of flawed reasoning which permeates this Administration. The Bush years will go down in history as one of the more darker periods of American life. We have an Administration which has malice towards the public -- which treats its citizens like ATM machines -- squeezing every last penny by creating an environment where corporations and military contractors dominate. With myopic Republicans helping pave the way, Bush has turned this country upside down and is so corrupt, criminal, fraudulent that he spends every day trying to cover his tracks and burying information so he will not face charges for treason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 04/21/2008

Oh the rulings will eventually be in favor of the administration. Heck, they just send Blackwater to visit the judges and make them an offer they cannot refuse. Just like they do with everything else when they want to bend/break the laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 04/21/2008

They don't need to send Blackwater - the have Scallia and his gnome Thomas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 04/21/2008

No problem the Federalist hacks on the Supreme Court will over turn and lower court decision, these hacks rule in favor of party now. The Federalist were warmongering unprincipled thugs during the time of Jefferson and Adams and little has changed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 04/21/2008

Well, first things first. Any rules that applied to Bill Clinton, shouldn't, won't, CAN'T apply to Dubya. It's in the Rove Rule Book. Case closed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/21/2008

I would suggest tapping Bush's toilet to find the POTUS' log -- floating there like his brain in his cranial soup.

Cheney's log -- well, that would be tougher. You'd have to up shit creek without a paddle to find that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 04/21/2008

Oh i think any and everything, documented, that would involve these idiots has been or will be promptly disposed of just like those couple of missing emails.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 04/21/2008

Odd the Republcians didn't think this was an issue when they demanded the CLinton WH logs and got them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 04/21/2008

gawd damned son of a bitch bottom feeding paranoid meglamanic. Gosh I will be so glad when this psychological study is out of this whitehouse. How does one contain one's frustration and anger over this small small man's actions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/21/2008

If Boosh haz nussing to hide zen he shood sho us hiz zeekrets...zneekay basturd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 04/21/2008

Oh yes, let's use "National Security" as our reasoning.

It ALWAYS works with EVERYTHING ELSE we're HIDING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 04/21/2008

I thought "Public Records" they BELONG to the PUBLIC!!!

With the limp and incompetent Congress that WE chose, I don't see anything coming of this.

Just like nothing has been voiced about the Torture Memo of which the Bush Administration was privy to and authorized.

Like Fancy Nancy said immediately: Impeachment is off the table, and so is any kind of criminal charges issued against our Criminal Administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 04/21/2008

With Bush, there is no "public".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 04/21/2008

Yeah, one thing was already leaked from those White House logs, and it really endangered national security, let me tell you.

That of course, was the frequent overnight private consultations with Jeff Gannon. Gannon's vital military expertize came to the White House's attention through his web site hotmilitarystuds. Untold damage to this country's War on Terror (R) was done when the terrists learned through Internet leaks that Gannon had the President's rear, er, uh, the President's ear.

It is vital to keep these logs secret from the American public, lest they learn who is actually running the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 04/21/2008

Where are all the conservative commenters on this? :::crickets chirping::::::

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 04/21/2008

Saving their energy for demanding total transparency as soon as a Demo is elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 04/21/2008

Look, it's like this......he's "Commander Guy" the "War President" and if he wants to, he can take the Constitution and fold into a paper airplane and fly it up our collective a$$es.......now shut and "go shopping".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 04/21/2008

hmmmm let's see lies, torture, corruption, war profiteering. I hope the government of Iraq invades the U.S. and takes down the tyrannical dictator in power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 04/21/2008

C'mon Putin!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 04/21/2008

I was always under the impression that the WH was the people's house and was only being used by the current resident. When and the Hell are our representatives going to make it clear that what goes on in our house is our business. We need this character in the WH to be brought under control. Why is it that
Jorge and his band of criminals HATE America, the American people and Democracy? I would also like to know why Republicans generally speaking HATE our country and are helping to destroy it? They talk all the patriotic crap but their actions indicate just the opposite. Semper Fi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 04/21/2008

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pentagon-propoganda-over-torture-and-iraq-revealed-812735.html
The Pentagon and the US media have been exposed for using pre-programmed "military analysts" to win hearts and minds of Americans over the war in Iraq,
Kenneth Allard, an NBC military analyst and teacher at National Defence University, described the propaganda exercise as a "coherent, active," sophisticated information operation."

I felt we'd been hosed," he said.
The New York Times revealed that close ties exist between the Bush administration and former senior officers who acted as paid TV analysts on CNN and other channels. The analysts have received private briefings, trips and access to classified intelligence to influence their comments.

Robert Bevelacqua, a retired Green Beret and former Fox News analyst, told the newspaper, "It was them (the Bush administration) saying, 'We need to stick our hands up your back and move your mouth for you.'"

In one episode CNN"s Donald Shepperd, a retired Air Force general, speaking live from Guantánamo said: "The impressions that you"re getting from the media and from the various pronouncements being made by people who have not been here in my opinion are totally false."

"Records and interviews show how the Bush administration has used its control over access and information in an effort to transform the analysts into a kind of media Trojan horse - an instrument intended to shape terrorism coverage from inside the major TV and radio networks," the newspaper said

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 04/21/2008

Thank you so very much for the post. I knew this was going on. This is very serious. Please, Everybody, call every politician you know, call for congress to vote on taking this president's right to pardon away from him because you know very well what is going to happen in his last days in office. It will be an absurd abuse of presidential power. I was unhappy with the number and kind of people that Clinton pardoned, but Bush will make it a pure joke. Congress can do this with a large enough vote. As well, it would be very good to get this issue out there for discussion. I don't want these guys to get away with this. I know Nancy has disappointed a lot of us, but I think I noticed something in her eye. Something has changed. She is mad as hell. Keep the pressure on our politicians so they get the message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/21/2008

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it curious that this Pentagon media manipulation story hasn't been covered here at HuffPo?

What gives?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 04/21/2008

Bush was elected by the multi-national corporations, for the corporations. If it got too close in places, the Diebold voting machines were reprogrammed. It still works. Do you believe that Obama got NO votes at all in some New York precints? Seems pretty damn unlikely. Funny business with the machine counts seems a lot more likely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 04/21/2008


This infuriates me.

We don't want to know WHAT the advise was. So what the hells's the problem, the big secret, with knowing who?
The American people have EVERY right to know who visited in the White House. This sets an incredibly horrible precedent that Republicans will greatly regret when Dems are in power, along with hundreds of other gems that will make them cringe when they want to question a Dem President, and they simply say, sorry, I'm not going there. Your buddy George Bush wouldn't and you defended him, so he having set the precedent with your support, you'll have to take it- and like it. Ooh, they will hate that.
I don't think they will be very happy by that time with what Bush has done to their party by then, either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 04/21/2008

He wont releash them until we the people show up at our house unannouced 30million strong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 04/21/2008

All have forgotten the seat and source of all authority in this Nation, was We The People.

Our temporary "Public servants" have seized permanent power for the use and benefit of their corporate masters, and the People stood still in their comfort zones and typed out a few objections on their keyboards. As if your complaints could move men from their lust for all!
Lazy, cowards you are. Maybe you will raise to your feet and march when your children are going hungry, many in our Nation are hungry now, and still you do nothing.
When will you get off your asses America? The longer you wait, the harder the road back to sanity and decency will be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 04/21/2008

The Jeff Gannon visits must remain secret for the good of the nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 04/21/2008

Yay fourex! It has constantly fascinated me how my "Conservatives Without Conscience" family have been able to stay apoplectic over Bill C and completely oblivious to the implications of Jeff Gannon.

It's not news that George Bush repeatedly has far exceeded the sordidness and harm of Clinton with impunity, but it is interesting.

Of course, some of these visitors would have been Cheney's energy panel,suppression of which the WH has already successfully gotten court approval for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 04/21/2008

Not to mention that studmaster Gannon had sleep overs at the WH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 04/21/2008

I have asked this question many times to all of you, "What would you do if you knew beyond any doubt, that your Nations leaders where running a criminal enterprise in and with your government for the benifit of a handful of Power drunk Robber Barons"?
The answer is clear. NOTHING. All of you share in the responsibility for these atrocities. Every person that knows the truth and has done nothing, has a share in the blood of the innocent, has a share in the loss of our Nation. What will you tell your children and your grandchildren when they ask what happened to our Country, to our Freedom.
If all you have done these last seven years is complain, know this, your words fall on ears stopped up full of the money from the masses, drained from them via the schemes cleverly concealed in broad daylight.
And you did nothing, hold on to your asses you masses, your about to reap the whirlwind of your inaction.
I saw none of you in Philadelphia this past Patriots day. Ye of little faith and even less courage, have earned your lot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 04/21/2008

Gee, I didn't notice when your action delayed the Iraq invasion for 1 day, stopped Bush from being reelected, and didn't result in Dick Cheney just sayin "So?" in response to the overwhelming absence of public support for the Administration.

Go soak your big judgmental head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 04/21/2008

When we were young, we ended a War by taking to the streets in numbers. Non-violent actions have changed the course of Nations in the past including our own. It starts with the power of one but it must be sown on fertile ground. I have recieved lip service only from both the people and their cowardice leadership!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 04/21/2008
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