US Hybrid Sales Up 38 Percent in 2007

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DEE-ANN DURBIN | April 21, 2008 12:10 AM EST | AP


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Kim Fenske, of Copper Mountain, Colo., poses for a photo beside his 2008 Toyota Prius sedan before he sets out for a day in the snow at Arapahoe Basin Ski Resort near the Colorado mountain resort community of Keystone on Friday, April 18, 2008. U.S. registrations of new hybrid vehicles rose 38 percent in 2007 to a record 350,289, according to data to be released Monday by R.L. Polk & Co., a Southfield-based automotive marketing and research company. (AP Photo/David Zalubowski)

DETROIT — Kim Fenske drives a bus in Colorado by day, but when he's not working, he zooms around the mountains in a 2007 Toyota Prius.

Fenske, an attorney by training who has also worked as a forest ranger, was an environmentalist long before hybrid cars like the Prius hit the market. In the early 1990s, he ran unsuccessfully for the Wisconsin state legislature on a renewable energy platform.

But he recently decided to go one step further and make an environmental statement with his car.

"My decision is a very political decision. I want to get people in this country off their dependency on foreign oil," said Fenske, 48, who lives at the Copper Mountain ski resort near Frisco.

A growing number of buyers feel like Fenske. U.S. registrations of new hybrid vehicles rose 38 percent in 2007 to a record 350,289, according to data to be released Monday by R.L. Polk & Co., a Southfield-based automotive marketing and research company.

Hybrids made up just 2.2 percent of the U.S. market share for the year, but they were growing steadily even as overall sales declined 3 percent.

Lonnie Miller, director of industry analysis at Polk, said rising gas prices may affect some buyers, but they're not the main driver of hybrid sales. Instead, he thinks sales jumped in 2007 because buyers had more options, including the new Nissan Altima, Saturn Aura and Lexus LS600h hybrid sedans and hybrid versions of the Chevrolet Tahoe, GMC Yukon and Mazda Tribute sport utility vehicles.

"The gas price thing is a constant that is keeping consideration in their minds," Miller said.

Another important factor is that hybrids have been on the market long enough for consumers to trust the technology, Miller said. The Prius, the second mass-market hybrid after the Honda Insight, went on sale in the U.S. in 2000.

The Prius remained the best-selling hybrid in 2007, commanding 51 percent of the hybrid market, up from 43 percent in 2006 despite the influx of new hybrids.

Fenske's previous vehicle was a van, which he bought to move his belongings from the Midwest to Colorado. But Miller said most buyers appear to stay within the segment they were in previously when they opt for a new hybrid. For example, more than half of those who bought the Lexus LS600h had a previous vehicle in the luxury segment. Miller said that's why it's important for automakers to have hybrid SUVs, even though some drivers like Fenske argue that big hybrids don't save enough fuel.

"It's a good call on automakers' parts to not make their hybrids so funky and out of body style than what's already out there," Miller said. "People have requirements for what they need."

California remained the top state for hybrid sales in 2007. Twenty-six percent of all hybrid registrations were in California, up 35 percent from 2006. Florida, New York, Texas and Washington followed.

Miller forecasts more of the same this year, despite warnings from automakers that U.S. car sales could be at their slowest pace in more than a decade due to high gas prices and the weak economy. Miller predicts hybrid sales will rise 30 percent or more.

"This segment has still outpaced what the rest of the industry has done. I can't see the hybrid category totally chilling out," Miller said.

Fenske, who closely monitors hybrid discussions groups on Web sites like Edmunds.com, hopes more people will do the research and the math he did and buy a hybrid car. He figures he's saving $3,000 per year in maintenance compared to his old vehicle, plus $2,000 to $3,000 per year in fuel costs for his 20-minute commute. He says he gets around 48 miles per gallon.

Fenske said he waited several years to buy a hybrid because he wanted to make sure the technology was proven. Then, he was concerned about how the little car would perform in the mountains. He has had to make some compromises; he can't drive up some rough roads, but he has decided to hike or bike instead. But for the most part, the car has exceeded his expectations.

"Last night, I drove back from a union meeting in the middle of a blizzard and I had no traction problems at all," he said. "I was passing SUVs in the ditch left and right."

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Challenge-
Try to pry a hybrid out of a dealer's hands for anything resembling sticker price.
When you factor in the financial rape the dealer will inflict- you lose most of the financial advantage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 04/23/2008

WHAT A COINCIDENCE!! High gas prices and - "US Hybrid Sales Up 38 Percent"

So, can you guess who is really responsible for the high price of gas? Dissect it and scale it down . . . you might be very surprised at who is actually making the big bucks as a result of the high price of gas - while the rest of us ride our bikes to work or call in sick because the gas tank is empty!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 04/23/2008

If anyone wants the low down on the low emission and "clean vehicles" currently on the market and how they compare - we have an objective overview of this topic - and a special feature dedicated to rating hybrid vehicles at: http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/ (the information is from the Union of Concerned Scientists).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 04/23/2008

I OWN A PRIUS SINCE 2004

BEST CAR I EVER HAD .....45 TO 50 MILES PER GALLON, NEVER ANTY REPAIR, LESS MAINTENANCE THEN OTHER CARS AND....

IT LEAVES THE SUV S IN THE DUST AT THE RED LIGHT....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 04/22/2008

Good for the hybrid makers and consumers. That's what is needed - inovation and people willing to make a change for the good of all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 04/22/2008

hope they make a battery small enough so a 4-seater convertible is possible soon.

I think Saab will be first, but I'm hoping Toyota is getting close as well.

excuse me if that sounds "elitist" but I really like my convertible and I need a backseat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 04/22/2008

Right now, 49 mpg (lots of highway!) over the last 200 miles - lifetime average is 46.4 mpg since the end of February (when purchased - think winter in the northeast).

Absolutely LOVE this car!

Brother is buying one soon for his family.

And the kicker - you can fit three car seats in the Prius! Tight, but doable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 04/22/2008

3 car seats? whoa! that is impressive.
I have twin grandsons, another one due in July and another set of twins due in December.

at this rate, I'm going to need a hybrid bus :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 04/22/2008

hopefully those will not be far behind! at least you're thinking in the right direction!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 04/22/2008

Hybrid buses DO exist. Saw a new one not too long ago which was one of those rock-star tour buses with chrome wheels and the word "hybrid" in big letters near the back of it (also no engine noise sitting in traffic).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 04/23/2008

The car costs 24 grand. What is the big deal?????????????????? I bought one 2 years ago. I will NEVER go back to strictly gas. And I also bought some greendiamond tires so you don't have to worry about ice at all now! Only way to go.. 45mpg and sometimes 52!!! NO LIE! And it has plenty of room.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 04/22/2008

I don't many people who can afford to spend that much for a car. How much does it cost to replace the battery or does it ever need replacing??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 04/22/2008

The Prius battery pack is warrantied for 10 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first. But the word on the street is that warranty is VERY conservative. There are quite a few Prius taxicabs out there which have been driven 200,000 miles already, without needing a battery replacement.

Of the few battery failures that have been serviced, Toyota has discovered that many of the batteries haven't completely failed, only a single module had gone bad. So cheaper, partial replacements have been done.

If you ever needed to replace the whole battery, it would run you about $3,000. But seriously, it looks like the battery will last as long as you own the car. (Maybe not as long as I own a car, though! I keep them forever!)

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/hybrid-batteries-none-the-worse-for-wear-cga.htm

And how much gas money would you save? LOTS! Real-world, the Prius gets about 45 MPG. Let's assume a full battery pack replacement at 150,000 miles. A Prius-equivalent car (same interior size, same price, same performance) without the hybrid engine, such as a conventional Toyota Camry, gets 25 MPG.

After you have driven 150,000 miles in the hybrid, you will have saved 2,667 gallons of gas. If gas costs $3.00/gallon, you save an even $8,000 by battery replacement time -- which is almost three times the cost of the battery itself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 04/23/2008

are there minivans that cost considerably less?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 04/22/2008

Bottom line here = $22,106.

Will pay for one extra year as compared to the Corolla we traded in (upside down $2000) and the ownership costs, including fuel, are no different per month!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 04/22/2008

Hybrids - another money scam ...

Hybrids are being used to jack up consumer purchases. They are more costly and complicated giving companies more money for maintenance and interest payments than the consumer will ever save in gas.

Toyota is using its hybrid tech for cars that cost upwards of $100,000 in its Lexus line. GM's Volt will cost about $50,000. No major car company is producing less expensive versions.

It is cheaper for the consumer to buy a great mileage conventional car than pay the extra maintenance and extra interest for a hybrid.

What this country really needs is an inexpensive battery electric car. A battery electric car has far fewer moving parts and uses less material. A reliable BEV could easily be produced and sold for $12,000 ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 04/22/2008

The Prius and Civic hybrids DO put money in your pocket, lots of it.

The Ford Escape/Mercury Mariner may also be economical, if SUV's are your thing. (Shame on you!)

I agree with you that most of the rest of the hybrid offerings are scams, particularly GM's "mild" hybrids. You pay thousands more to get perhaps a 10% improvement in gas mileage over the standard model -- or, worse in my opinion, you pay for more power instead of more fuel economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 04/23/2008

I disagree with the top part but would love a BEV like you mention in the lower part of your post!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 04/22/2008

The Prius is the best hybrid by far... the rest of the hybrid lot are hardly worth the cost and just add cost and complexity.

Just look at Lexus, why would anyone paying $60,000 for a car worry about gas prices? The same with the Chevy Volt. These hybrid systems are going into more and more expensive vehicles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 04/22/2008

My Hybrid SUV gets 26 MPG while my friends truck gets 11 MPG. My lease payment is $425 and there are no added maintenance costs as opposed to what some embeciles throw out here. The batteries need to be replaced after 100,000 miles. Who says I won't be able to get Lithium Ion by then?

Anybody that says the Hybrid isn't the way to go NOW is an idiot. In 8 or 10 years we won't need combustion engines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 04/22/2008

The BEV is the way to go ... The technology is all there but three things have to happen.

There must be the will to produce but first the traffic laws need to change by lowering the speed limits to 55 highway. As these take off the grid must be upgraded for more capacity , which should be done anyway.

In this way all new forms of renewable energy can be plugged right into the system and used to power our cars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 04/22/2008

I try to do my little bit by driving my old bug ( very fuel efficient) as much as I can and use my Rav4 4-cylinder for the longer fwy commutes, which luckily are rare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 04/22/2008

I have heard through good sources that our government limits the number of hybrid cars sold in our country.
Does anyone know if that is true?
There must be some reason why hybrid cars are hard to find on new car lots and in the words of our salesman--"scarce".
I have yet to see a line of ten or fifteen Prius's lined up on a Toyota lot, while lines of all the other models just go on and on.
Our salesman also told us that the price is really not negotiable--maybe a little--just for show.
We love the Prius, but it was too expensive for what you are really buying.
The feel good part is worth something, but not the $10,000 premium we paid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/22/2008

I hear that the hybrid vehicle assembly lines are operating as fast as they can get batteries through the loading dock. The battery manufacturers are having trouble keeping up with the demand.

Meanwhile -- HOW did you decide that you paid a $10,000 premium for your Prius? Compared to what alternative?

I always take a conventional Toyota Camry as my comparison car. Roughly the same interior space and performance as the Prius -- and, being a Toyota, similar in quality. Prius base model MSRP = $21,100. Camry base model MSRP = $18,720. Difference = $2,380.

Incidentally, that price difference is less than the replacement cost of the Prius battery pack (around $3,000).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 04/23/2008

Check your "good sources". This is total BS! The US government wishes they had that sort of domestic control.

Could be that demand simply outpaces supply. Hybrids include some pretty sophisticated technology, and not every assembly palnt can build them. Manufacturers of sought after consumer products have also been know to limit supply to keep prices up; wouldn't put that past Toyota et al.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 04/22/2008

...can't drive up rough roads... (Previous got truncated)

It is true but the main problem is the low (4") ground clearance. You also have to recognize that you need good all-season or snow tires once your are going to be driving in anything that is slippy or slick.

It's a great car but it's not an SUV.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 04/22/2008

I live on some of the worst roads that are considered passable by front-wheel vehicles (most people in my neighborhood claim that you can't live here without a 4-wheel drive. Haven't had a problem yet - the Prius is a champ!

Ice season - from the dealer all-seasons - CHECK!

Mud season - same tires - CHECK!

Not to say that I don't intend to put on some serious snow tires next year but have not had a problem with the stock tires in VERY harsh conditions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 04/22/2008

It has front wheel drive and does pretty good in snowy weather with low profile chains. It's no 4x4 though! Don't even think of going though deep snow with it!

If only Subaru would make a 4x4 hybrid that gets really good gas mileage. I would buy one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 04/22/2008

>> he can't drive up some rough roads,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 04/22/2008

Here is what people should be buying.

http://www.teslamotors.com/

They are far more efficient than Hybrids and they have a far lower maintenance cost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 04/22/2008

If you have a 100K to spare, yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 04/22/2008

It should at least be available so eventually the prices would go down. The tech would get cheaper if it had a wider market. I am trying to spread the word to people who can buy it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 04/22/2008

I agree, but have you priced one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 04/22/2008

Show it to people who can afford one. The more they sell the cheaper they may eventually make them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 04/22/2008

We bought a Prius in 2006, for many reasons, political, economic, environmental and because we had been waiting years for the technology to improve and be really usable. We drove our old car for a decade while we waited. It has been some of the best money we've ever spent. Mileage is great, but knowing we are cutting down emissions is even better. And we can talk to people all over the place about hybrid technology now. We get people coming up to us in parking lots asking about the car!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 04/22/2008

Enjoy that esprit de corps while it lasts! You must not live in California. Hybrids are now common here. The friendly conversations in parking lots stopped about two years ago. Now I get cut off in traffic by other Prius drivers -- even a$$holes are seeing the sense in driving a hybrid now.

;^)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 04/23/2008

I'd like to see his math work were he saves 2K on gas a year ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 04/22/2008

I calculate fuel savings per mile, not per year. And I get $8,000 in fuel savings over 150,000 miles.

My assumptions were:

1) choosing a 45 MPG Prius (real-world, for the typical driver -- personally, I exceed 50 MPG regularly) over a 25 MPG conventional Toyota Camry (similar size, performance, and quality), and

2) $3.00/gallon for gasoline -- which is actually starting to look ridiculously low! ($3.81/gallon for regular in my neighborhood today...)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 04/23/2008

If you log 600 miles a week and have upgraded from a hypothetical 26 mpg vehicle to the Prius (reasonable average of 46 mpg) and gas is 3.50 a gallon (hold your nose because it'll be more than that soon!)

Then you get a roughly calculated fuel savings of $1820 annually.

When gas hits $4.00 a gallon... $2080 annually.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 04/22/2008

The 2010 Prius will have a big air scoop on the front replacing the grill. It;ll suck in unburned gas fumes and you'll be able to run the car on what's spewed from all those SUVs and Hummers on the roads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 04/22/2008

I hope you destroyed your trade in; thereby not allowing it to be resold to spew more hideous gasses into the atmosphere..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 04/22/2008