Democrats Clinton, Obama collide in Pennsylvania primary

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DAVID ESPO and BETH FOUHY | April 22, 2008 05:43 PM EST | AP

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Preneat Prak exits the voting booth after voting for the first time in the Pennsylvania primary at the Flavor In Your Hair barber shop in a Southside Philadelphia neighborhood, Tuesday, April 22, 2008. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)

PHILADELPHIA — Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama collided Tuesday in the Pennsylvania primary, the last of the big-state contests in a Democratic presidential campaign growing more negative the longer it goes.

With 158 delegates at stake, Pennsylvania offered the largest prize remaining in a primary season that ends on June 3.

Interviews with voters as they left their polling places showed that nearly one in 10 changed their party registration in recent months to be able to cast ballots in a primary open only to Democrats. About half were formerly registered Republicans, the balance unaffiliated with either party.

Women cast about 60 percent of the votes, and turnout among older voters was high.

Voters also had a dim view of the economy. More than 80 percent said the nation is already in a recession, according to the interviews conducted by The Associated Press and the TV networks.

Obama began the night with a delegate lead, 1648 1/2 to 1509 1/2, out of 2,025 needed to win the nomination.

Both rivals sought to shape expectations in advance. Obama said he expected to lose, but narrowly, and worked to limit any gains Clinton made in the delegate chase.

"It's an uphill battle," Obama said of his effort in the state, campaigning at a Pittsburgh diner. He said polls before the voting showed a tighter race than a few weeks ago but "we still, I think, have to consider ourselves the underdog."

Clinton said on Pittsburgh's KDKA that Obama had outspent her in Pennsylvania "three, maybe four to one" and was trying to undercut her possible victory by claiming she should have done even better.

"I think a win is a win. Maybe I'm old fashioned about that," she told reporters earlier in the day. "I think maybe the question ought to be, why can't he close the deal with his extraordinary financial advantage? Why can't he win a state like this one if that's the way it turns out ... big states, states that Democrats have to win."

Pennsylvania voters enjoyed a rare chance to cast ballots in a meaningful primary late in the campaign season. Registration reached a record level.

Penn State student Colin Cwalina, 19, wore his loyalties on his sleeve: He sported a "Hillary 2008" T-shirt at the polls in State College but said he felt outnumbered. "To be honest, Barack Obama has a cult" on campus, Cwalina said.

In Susquehanna Township, Cindy Wiedl, 50, a full-time student at Harrisburg Area Community College, stood before the voting machine for several minutes before choosing Obama, based in part, she said, on his pledge in a Tuesday morning TV interview to help working people.

Psychotherapist Kathleen Gavin, 44, of Allentown, said Clinton, the former first lady, earned her vote "10 years ago."

"I don't think he has the experience, the wisdom or the presence that Hillary has," said Gavin.

A defeat for Clinton could spell the end of her candidacy. But a sizable win would strengthen her claim to being the stronger general election opponent, an argument she has made to Democratic officeholders and other superdelegates who hold the balance of power at the party convention in Denver in August.

Whatever the outcome, the six-week run-up to the primary was notable for close-to-the-ground campaigning normally reserved for the early-voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire, and for the decidedly negative tone of its final few days.

Flush with cash, Obama reported spending $11.2 million on television in the state, compared with $4.8 million for Clinton.

The tone of the campaign was increasingly personal.

"In the last 10 years Barack Obama has taken almost $2 million from lobbyists, corporations and PACs. The head of his New Hampshire campaign is a drug company lobbyist, in Indiana an energy lobbyist, a casino lobbyist in Nevada," said a Clinton commercial that aired in the final days of the race.

Obama responded with an ad that accused Clinton of "eleventh-hour smears paid for by lobbyist money." It said that unlike his rival, he "doesn't take money from special interest PACs or Washington lobbyists _ not one dime."

To the delight of Republicans, the six-week layoff between primaries produced a string of troubles for the Democrats.

Obama was forced onto the defensive by incendiary comments by his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, then triggered controversy on his own by saying small-town Americans cling to guns and religion because of their economic hardships.

Clinton conceded that she had not landed under sniper fire in Bosnia while first lady, even though she said several times that she had. And she replaced her chief strategist, Mark Penn, after he met with officials of the Colombian government seeking passage of a free trade agreement that she opposes.

McCain, the Republican nomination already his, rose in the polls as he prepared for the fall campaign.

The remaining Democratic contests are primaries in North Carolina, Indiana, Oregon, Kentucky, West Virginia, Montana, South Dakota and Puerto Rico, and caucuses in Guam.

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David Espo reported from Washington.

 
 

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She has some gall! In Pennsylvannia, she has the establishment, the machinery, and every ambitious politician, backing her. She was 20 points ahead a month ago. Now, "a win is a win". She has lower the pole 500 times in this campaign Some times is the superdelegates, or the popular vote, or the electoral collage. She wants it so bad that I am getting suspicious. Its not normal . What is most infuriating is the media. They also want her so bad, they don't even hide it. They can't wait to put her against McInsane. They are salivating at the prospect. They would get all the circus and drama that drives ratings.
Not to mention Repugs, they are pushing so hard it must hurt. They are sure she cannot win against McInsane. If people doesn't realize this, they will deserve what is coming in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 04/22/2008

This post says Obama has a "cult" following on a campus. I imagine he has a cult on most campuses & once you have that dedicated a following it just gets bigger. I don't see how you can beat that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 04/22/2008

What a contradiction of terms! Hillary and truth? She hasn't a clue of how to run a campaign based on truth. She points a finger but, sadly still has 4 pointing back at herself that she desparately tries to hide. Her campaign is a disgrace and should be the main reason NOT to vote for her. She's going to put such a sour taste in everyone's mouth (that has a brain) and end up getting Senator McBush elected. It's past time for her to clean up or get out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 04/22/2008

"I think maybe the question ought to be, why can't he close the deal with his extraordinary financial advantage?"

Why would Senator Clinton want to bring up Senator Obama's "extraordinary financial advantage?" I would think she'd be afraid that Superdelegates would notice that her campaign is in the red. She's been spending money she doesn't have. Her fund raising strategy has been less effective than Obama's, and she has mismanaged the money she has raised.

What does that say about her ability to prevail in the general election? What does that say about her ability to manage the nation's economy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 04/22/2008

Maybe she is seeking the pity vote.....again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 04/22/2008

it has worked for her so far... she needs tears thoug... Billy, where did you put that slice of onion?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 04/22/2008

No one has much to say today? Huh, I was wondering how Hillary was doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 04/22/2008

Much has been said. Little remains of what has been said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 04/22/2008

Sweet suffering Jesus, am I ready for this to be over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 04/22/2008

Sadly true. A lot of valid posts making good points were scrubbed here today. Many of those posts were kind in tone and it is quite obvious that they didn't violate any of the Huffington Post rules.

Someone needs to moderate the moderators, imho.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 04/22/2008

She's not doing nearly as well as she'd have everyone believe.

The desperation is palpable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 04/22/2008

They are going to have to drag her, kicking and screaming. She just doesn't not want to face reality. This is not normal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 04/22/2008

Does it not scare the beezus out of anyone about her comments that she would obliterate Iran if they attacked Israel??

Is there not a better way to work with these two countries besides kicking up the war rhetoric and ratcheting up.

I think the Doomsday Clock just moved a minute closer to midnight.

Does she not understand the sheer magnitude of a holocaust she would invite by blanketing the Middle East with atomic weapons, their fallout, the destruction, then the hunger and all out war that would erupt?? We're not talking about a minor scuffle, we're talking of kicking off the beginning of the end.

My god!! Please!! Keep her away from the White House and the big red button!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 04/22/2008

Points taken. Iran is a threat to nobody - certainly not us - but our leaders never miss a chance to engage in saber rattling with it. It makes them seem rather petty and foolish, but the posturing keeps the money flowing from our "allies" in the region, like Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Part of the problem with Rodham being our first woman president is that she cannot help but feel the need to model herself after Maggie Thatcher. If she is perceived as anything but a hawk, then perceptions of her will trickle down into every woman in American politics. That is why we must not let her succeed, under any circumstances. In an effort to seem like one of the boys, she's likely to bomb anybody.

I'm afraid we'll have to wait for a time when we're at peace before we can elect our first woman president. So long as we're "at war", any woman who even seeks the office will feel the overwhelming need to out-macho the men.

Both her rhetoric and her record have already demonstrated this far too often.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 04/22/2008

As Hillary says "A Win is a Win"

Alrighty,
The 29 States that Obama has WON is a WIN!
Being ahead in pledged delegates is a WIN!!
Winning by popular vote counts, even if you include Florida, he is ahead!
Michigan his name wasn"t even on the Ballot so don"t even go there, cheaters.

THEREFORE, OBAMA IS WINNING! "No chance" she can WIN even with A Win in Pennsylvania, she would have to "Win every State" from this point on!!!

So, according to Hillary, "A WIN IS A WIN", and YOU CAN"T OVER TURN A WIN!

YES, YES, YES, he can WIN!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 04/22/2008

Hillary's 11th hour was a long time ago -- it happened before Super Tuesday, when she didn't bother to have a game plan for AFTER Super Tuesday. She's now in her 13th hour, at least. She just hasn't admitted it yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 04/22/2008

HILLARY CLINTON=Botox, Blue Contact Lenses & Dyed Blonde Hair. Why the mask? Hillary has remade herself to appear to be a classic all American candidate. But theClintons are perpetrating a fraud on the American public, targetting those on the left side of the bell curve who can be more easily manipulated.

Hillary lies about
-Personal Appearance: her look is scripted
-Profesional Experience: less than 1 year working in non-profit sector, more than 15 years as a corporate lawyer in a patronage position due to her husbands status as AG, Governor of Arkansas
-Life Experience: andecdotes from personal life largely fictional
-Trade: NAFTA
-National Defense: sniper fire, Ireland Peace Treaty
-WAR: Authorized War without reading the intelligence report. Has the support of neocons and MIC
-Health Care: the biggest failure of her professional and political life
-Knowledge of Bill Clinton "Infidelity" including rape, sexual harassment & immoral conduct for 30 years.
-Feminism: HRC is a "faux feminist" who has the backing of the N.O.W. Board which has strategically aligned itself with the Clintons. Rank and file have endorsed Obama

Women fought for the right to vote so what they could waste it on Hillary? That makes no sense

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 04/22/2008

>"Pennsylvania's demographics...a higher percentage of whites, a lower median household income and fewer bachelor's degrees than the country overall."

So, it is the undereducated who Hillary is relying on to give a minuscule victory tonight. She should feel very proud. NOT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/22/2008

You should be so proud of yourself that you are an elitist, arrogant, snob, just like the guy you are supporting.

That's why your candidate is losing in a state like Penn tonight and will lose the general.

He has a***holes like you voting for him. ANd that says it all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 04/22/2008

You mean the autodidactic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 04/22/2008

I just hope Thomas Frank doesn't have to write a sequel to "What's Wrong with Kansas?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 04/22/2008

"I have to win," Clinton told reporters. "And I'm going to do everything I can to win."

'Nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 04/22/2008

Having the "NEED to win" and "GOING to win" are two different things, Curious George.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 04/22/2008

Reading comprehension an issue?

WTH are you talking about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 04/22/2008

I wish someone would explain how Hillary plans to win, to convince super delegates that she's the most electable, when and if come June 3rd she has less of the popular vote and less of the delegates, even if Obama's campaign throw in Florida and Michigan. How will she maintain she's the best candidate, how will the super delegates put her over the top, or whatever she has planned for the convention, when she says she's going all the way to the convention. How is it she thinks she can do that much damage and then in a little over two months bring all the democrats together. It'll take at least a month to get people to believe she's the legitimate candidate. Why isn't it that no one asks her that with all the big states she's won, why is it she's still so far behind in the popular vote?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 04/22/2008

There wouldn't be enough time left until the world ends to make people believe that she was the legitimate candidate.

If she gets the nomination, it will be done through cheating---and the wholesale destruction of the Democratic party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 04/22/2008

Legitimate or not, she will win the nod. And the election. Twice.

And America will passively accept it.

The same way they have passivley accepted both parties voting for and funding a phony, pointless war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 04/22/2008

If she gets the nod, then McCain will win, because half the Democratic party will bolt.

I derive no pleasure from saying that. But it is true.

Democrats can't win without the Black voters, and if Hillary steals the nomination, they will desert the party in droves, as will many other progressives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 04/22/2008

It would seem so.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 04/22/2008

Is there anyone who genuinely believes The Clintons will concede before the convention in August? I don't. I feel certain they will put up a nasty floor fight in Denver. Their philosophy is if you can't beat em', destroy them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 04/22/2008

"Their philosophy is if you can't beat em', destroy them."

That's not actually true. But it is clear that you think it is. I think it is time for those who oppose Hillary to stop trying to make her into something she is not.

Moreover, I think the hardcore Obama supporters should take a long look at themselves and ask if it is really appropriate to continue to insist that primary voters not be allowed to make their choice known.

Today, millions of Democrats will be casting votes in Pennsylvania for Hillary (as will millions for Obama) because they believe that she is the best choice. To try to deny other primary voters in other states the right to do that seems supremely undemocratic.

Let people vote. Let the process play itself out according to the rules. If it's a lock for Obama, then those who support Obama have nothing to fear or bitch about.

By the way, Obama has repeatedly stated that he agrees with me on this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 04/22/2008

I'm staking my ground for a tent city in Denver so we cam monitor the activities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 04/22/2008

Why?

Even if Hill takes to too the convention, gets the nod from the superdelegates and steals the nomination, what will be done about it?

nothing.

we live in a country that the presidency was decided by SCOTUS. and nothing was done about it.

oh, i'm sorry. there may be a few marches. maybe some will light a few candles.

and then everyone will live with it. and most of them will even vote for her. twice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 04/22/2008

Oh, Turnip, I'm so sad for you. I do understand where you're coming from. After all, who would have believed we would passively subject ourselves to 8 years of W? But goodsnservices is right: NOT THIS TIME! It's the central message of the Obama campaign. "Yes we can" means yes, we can change the mentality that allowed W to happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 04/22/2008

LMFAO....!!!!

They must be working overtime at the Clinton Cult Retreat to fill your head with such a utopian Clinton-fantasy.

You QUEEN has ZERO chance to win without the black vote and the independants who back Obama. They get screwed; they will stay home or move to McCain.

Bottomline, Hillary loses either way....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/22/2008

Does anyone believe that Hillary had Vince Foster killed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 04/22/2008

mon4america. Before, I would've been furious at your question. Now? Mmmmm, I don't know. They are vicious if they don't get their way. So, who knows?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 04/22/2008

I just want to be near when the house falls on Hillary. I want those ruby slippers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 04/22/2008