Flag Pins: Who Wears 'Em?

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Huffington Post   |  Rachel Sklar   |   April 23, 2008 09:11 AM


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There's been much ado about flag pins lately — who wears them, who doesn't, and whether that means you are patriotic enough to be president. Last week during ABC's now-infamous debate, moderators Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulous included this question from totally random Pennsylvanian Nash McCabe:

"Senator Obama, I have a question, and I want to know if you believe in the American flag. I am not questioning your patriotism, but all our servicemen, policemen and EMS wear the flag. I want to know why you don't."

Nope, no questioning of the patriotism at all! Gibson followed up wondering, "How do you convince Democrats that this would not be a vulnerability?" Because clearly, wearing a flag pin is an excellent indication that you are patriotic, and the non-wearing of said pin is a sure indication of your scorn for the flag. Since this keeps on popping up again and again, ETP decided to look at a random day in the news cycle (pre-primary Monday) and see just how patriotic the media, candidates, and various people orbiting the campaign actually are — and who wears their hatred of America as surely as an unencumbered lapel.

We'll start with Fox News, because some people on that network were particularly exercised after Obama explained in October 2007 that he didn't wear a flag pin, instead aspiring to do patriotic acts that spoke for themselves:

Talk about your Fox and Friends! We've got the whole gang here...and three of them don't hate America! Fox is the winner in flag pinnery, with the small metallic symbol of pride glimmering on the manly chests of Brit Hume, Neil Cavuto and special analyst Karl Rove, who has lots of opinions on the subject. But that still leaves people like Steve Doocy, Greta Van Sustern, Sean Hannity, Megyn Kelly, Jenna Lee, Alisyn Camerota and two guys I can't name from Fox Business flag-less. You'd expect no less from Alan Colmes, really, but golden boy Shep Smith? What's the opposite of a patriot, Bill O'Reilly? Oh, right. Note that Chris Wallace has previously said that he sort of agrees with Obama's flag-pin theory; we bet Brian Kilmeade would find that reasonable.

Well, what about the godless liberals at MSNBC, and their NBC brethren?

Wow, a clean sweep; that is to say, 0 for the random 14 we selected. (Thanks to "Race for the White House" for inspiring our montage design!). Bill O'Reilly could have told you so. Sorry, Brian Williams — that Peabody will only get you so far. Same goes for you, former Congressman Joe Scarborough and former Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan and other people orbiting David Gregory's head. For shame.

MSNBC may be locked in a ratings race with CNN, but they clearly lose the flag pin race, thanks to patriot Lou Dobbs. See below:

Lou Dobbs is taking no chances on that flag thing, btw — wearing it on you is made that much more patriotic by having it waving around you as a lofty backdrop (though to be fair, that gives the MSNBC "Morning Joe" crew a lift thanks to the background visuals of Rock Center in the a.m.). But otherwise, it's a fairly rag-tag bunch — John Roberts may be excused because he's Canadian, and Joe Klein's just in there because he looks so damn excited, but pride-of-network Anderson Cooper? Bearer of tradition Larry King? Stalwart defender of truth and justice Nancy Grace? Hey John King, what does your Magic Wall have to say about the demographic of Americans Who Hate America And Prove It By Not Wearing A Flag Pin? Yeah. We thought so. As for you, Glenn Beck — we really thought you cared. It must have been that book cover where you eat California.

Back to the standard-bearers, then: Do Gibson and Stephanopoulos put their money where their lapel is? Survey says:

No flaggar! That's how the Swedes would say it, or close to how the Swedes would say it, but the upshot is the same: No flags. What does that say about the patriotism of ABC? Charlie Gibson, how do you convince other networks that this won't be a vulnerability? I know, I know, we added CBS in there — they both have complementary gold-tinged motifs, it just made sense — and besides, none of them are wearing a pin so who cares either way? Besides, adding a pin to Diane Sawyer would make her look less like an Oscar.

Well, what about the true patriots? Sure, the other candidates, but actually, I mean the true patriots:

...Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, obvs — and nary a flag in sight. (Though Colbert is sporting his WristStrong bracelet). What does that tell you about the flag pin, if a patriot like Colbert wears his lapel bare? Well, it tells John McCain and Hillary Clinton that they don't have to bother pretending to love this country, either. Same goes for surrogates (David Axelrod), runners-up (Mike Huckabee) and people who appear in that "I'm 4 New York!" ad (Alec Baldwin). But I would have expected better from the Pope.

Upshot: What does all this mean? That the whole flag-pin wearing thing is ridiculous — a personal choice, just like most other things in this great and democratic country, terrific if you choose to wear it and just as terrific if instead you choose to show your love of country and fellow countrymen and women through your actions, of which wearing a flag pin is but one? Seems that way to me — but what do I know, I'm Canadian.

Thanks to Dipayan Gupta for the assistance with photo upload.

 
 

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Colbert doesn't need to wear a flag pin. First of all, he has flags all around his studio, and he's even posed for a calendar featuring himself naked and draped in a flag, on a bearskin rug (the only time Stephen would ever go near a bear, when it's dead and adorning his floor).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 04/25/2008

I wish they would have included Newt Gingrich in the Fox box - he sure wasn't wearing one in their Christmas Special.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 04/25/2008

Hey all you Illegal aliens. This could be you ticket to citizenship. Just wear a flag pin.

GWW

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 04/25/2008

The irony is, the people who are the most bent out of shape about this Flag Pin nonsense are the ones who have the least understanding of civics, and possess only a cartoonish overview of US History ... and, yes, I include the meat puppets of the MSM.


I think before someone takes umbrage at the lack of a Flag Pin on someone's lapel ... they should at least have working knowledge of the Nation the Flag represents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 04/24/2008

Star-bellied Sneetches, Ravenhawk! As opposed to those who have no stars on thars!

But seriously, if Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos (I forgot who asked the question) called Obama on not wearing a flag pin, then why weren't they wearing flag pins themselves? Why didn't they ask Hillary why she wasn't wearing a flag pin? Everyone on the stage was pinless.

I'm a Christian and where I worship, some wear crosses, others don't. I'm glad no one at church has ever started any "she wears a cross, she doesn't wear a cross" nonsense. When Jesus told his followers to take up the cross he was not referring to jewelry!

And has anyone noticed the repeat of the pinless-Senator strip on Doonesbury? Priceless. I wish the story could have continued, but in RL the Senator's secretary would have come to the Senator's house with a replacement pin. End of story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 04/24/2008

Flag Pins: Who gives a flying shit!
I'm from Canada and the we don't feel the need to display a nazi-like zealousness of patriotism at all times. We display patriotism only when it's needed. that's just us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 04/24/2008

The Chinese. All the flag pins are made in China. This whole thing is a plot to make us all buy more China-made crap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 04/24/2008

except when many canadians go out their country they have that damn maple leaf plastered all over themselves so they won't be mistaken for you know who.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 04/24/2008

The flag pin thing is nothing compared to the "made in America' lable. Do you realize, the more we see imported retail product in stores across this country, the fewer jobs we have in our manufacturing base. Durable goods made in the US, were good jobs until, they were exported aboard.

And I"m screaming about a pin which is probably made in China.
Didn"t Bill do some business in China some time ago?

But I digress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 04/24/2008

It's time that American's realize that manufacturing jobs are leaving for good and that we shouldn't try to stop it; the economy is changing. Job sectors develop then decline and are replaced by new sectors; instead of fighting it (and reducing the efficiency which, ironically, many of the same peole who are fighting 'outsourcing' claim to value) we need to focus on offering programs and government support to those losing jobs to help them retrain for other jobs. Raise unemployment benefits, improve healthcare and education, offer free job retraining programs, provide incentives for developing new high-tech and service industries; these are the right choices. Clinging to inefficient manufacturing industries that can be done for cheaper elsewhere is fighting the inevitable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 04/25/2008

Nice piece, Rachel, and amusing at the same time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 04/24/2008

Yes, anyone with half a brain can discern that this whole issue of flag pins is not really about flag pins at all. No one gives a rats ass about this unless you are targeting a person of color...then it becomes a hot button for people suffering from acute racism to whip themselves into a frenzy over it. These subtle tactics are employed to encourage the mob mind in it's collective belief that "he (Obama) is not like us". This is step (1). Step (2) is to suggest that he (Obama) is elitist or aloof which is code for separate from us....Step (3) make sure to engage the person you are smearing - get him (Obama) to begin defending himself so that you can start a fight between him and the people who more and more dislike, despise, and outright hate that uppity so and so. Once the "good ol boys" get it into their heads that they would be doing the "country" a favor...they will attempt to repeat our darkest history. THIS IS WHAT RACISM LOOKS LIKE IN AMERICA. It is very subtle & practiced right in front of your face every day. At it's worst this is the mentality that allowed KKK to burn & lynch at will, and Hitler to steamroll through Europe. KNOW THIS AMERICA .....THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING.. AND WE ARE SAYING NEVER AGAIN. You will not isolate or destroy Sen. Obama. True or false American Media Race Baiting Machine.....WE SEE IT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 04/24/2008

I am a vet I wore the uniform -guess week end warriors need to wear a pin. how about getting them to wear the uniform? Does Lou Dobbs stable boys wear the pin?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 04/24/2008

"Required" nationalism in the form of a flag lapel is very reminiscent of Nazi Germany, circa 1935-39.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 04/24/2008

This reminds me of those Kim pins that everyone in North Korea is required to wear. Congratulations to Barack Obama for being the only candidate this year who is not a closet Commie!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 04/24/2008

This whole manufactured controversy about flag pins is a no-win regardless of your political affiliation. I used to have this T-shirt from a company called Mach 1 which was a print of their "Falcon Victory" poster: an F-16 sitting on the tarmac with its nose to the camera and the Stars & Stripes behind it as a background. One weekend I was denounced by both sides of the political divide for wearing it: not only did I get the traditional hippie complaint, a guy in Marine ROTC I was friends with said it was reminiscent of those cheesy "Try Burning This Flag!" shirts and was actually disrespectful to the flag.

I'd simply bought the thing because it had a fighter jet on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 04/24/2008

I'm wearing my flag boxer shorts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 04/24/2008

Whooooooooooooo caressssssssssss???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 04/24/2008

Oh come on Julie, this is a major issue, particularly among those with IQs of under 85!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 04/24/2008

Obama has stated that he reveres the American flag and that he prays to Jesus Christ every night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 04/24/2008

Obama is on top of one of the biggest double standards. I never see Clinton or McCain wearing flag pins. All three are public servants.

95% of flag pins are made in china.

I'm willing to bet 100% of politicians buy or receive as a gift, flag pins made in china.

If they were true patriotic people, they would buy pins made in the good U S of A

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 04/24/2008

'95% of flag pins are made in china.'

I thought so !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 04/24/2008

Or, as I have just discovered, the Douglas Feiths and Dick Cheney's of this world could show you their ribbon:

http://www.usamilitarymedals.com/global-terrorism-service-medal-ribbon-c-20_91.html?ummID=023a53b72b3149cc5b935be478c07991

You can just buy this stuff?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 04/24/2008

That was my main complaint about these knee jerk 'patriots' and this flag pin idiocy. Chinese made flag pins- yeah, that really shows your patriotism. What next, they attack him for not putting Chinese flag toothpicks in his sandwiches?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 04/24/2008

Ask these flag lapel wearers to show you their combat ribbons, Cheney, Bush, Any Bush sibling, Rums, Feith, Perle, Wolfnowitz, Mitch McConnell, Newt, Hasert, need I go on. What's the matter? Cat got your tongue. Just remember there are true patriots that don't ballyhoo their service to their country and wear no ornaments to try to show they are more patriotic than others. They just went out and did their job and did it well. They need no reminders of their service to their country. They have lived with the horrors of the battlefield and want no reminders of the screams of the injured, a dead friend, the sharp smell of cordite, the interminable fear. Most of those Flag lapel wearers have nothing to be proud of. I view with suspicion these supposed outward signs of their patriotism. Someone so aptly said "Patriotism is the last refuge of cads and scoundrels" and I might add in many cases, cowards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 04/24/2008

deke33,
Roger that!
Most people compensate for their lack of patriotic action by wrapping themselves in the flag and imagining themselves in some sort of glorifying action that validates their delusion of what war really is.
But they are not as bad as the Chicken Hawks in the Whitehouse who criminally over compensate for their lack of patriotic service, by thumping their chests and loudly stirring up the mob and then sending off real toy soldiers to fight and die...or come home without all their parts.
Incredibly, most of the high command in our country is officers who never saw combat. In fact, while some may wear combat ribbons, they were only in a designated combat zone. Never near the front lines. They were rotated in a combat zone soley to get their "combat" service in, so they could advance their careers. I'm saying: Most of the high command are politicians as well and have no feeling for the men they send and leave to wear their buddies blood and brains on their shirt for a week or more. Not one of these politicians or political officers lives with nightmares of the horror of war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 04/24/2008

95% of flag pins are made in china. I'm willing to bet that 100% of politicians buy or receive as a gift, flag pins made in china.

If politicians were really patriotic they would only wear flag pins made in the good U S of A.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 04/24/2008

Check the members of this administration and Congress who proudly wear their lapel flags. Take note of all those lapel flag wearers who never served their country in their generation's war, yet oh so bravely sent other people's loved ones to fight "The War That Should Never Have Been". Wolfnowitz, Perle, Feith, Cheney, McConnell and a whole host of Congresspersons, some of whom accused non flag lapel wearers, yet served their country militarily, as giving comfort and aid to an enemy these non-serving cowards created.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 04/24/2008

SORRY, BUT THE BLACK AMERICAN MUSLIM MEN ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE FOUR COLORS OF SUITS IN THEIR CLOSET. I STAND TO BE CORRECTED ON THAT. AND MUSLIM WOMEN ARE ADVISED NOT TO WEAR TO MANY LOW CUT TOPS. IF ANY AT ALL! AND MOST OF THE TIME, NOT TO BE SEEN, OR HEARD TO VERY OFTEN. THE WHITE HOUSE MAY BECOME A PRISON FOR MICHELLE. HA HA. ALSO I NOTICED THAT OBAMA DIDN'T EAT THAT PORK SAUSAGE ON HIS PLATE. HE LEFT SOME PANCAKE SCRAP'NS, SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE SO NOTICABLE. YES, IT IS SOME PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT KNOWS WHAT TIME IT IS WITH THOSE OBAMA'S. HELL! I'D BETTER SHUT UP! HA HA. THOSE MUSLIMS MAY HUNT YOU DOWN OVER THE NET! HA HA. THE USA & THE USA WHITE MEN ARE IN FOR AN RUDE AWAKENING!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 AM on 04/24/2008

Hey Solena, put down the crack pipe!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 04/24/2008

If you really want a rude awakening, Solena, have your IQ tested.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 04/24/2008



Forget flag pins, never wore them and never will. Show me a person who knows the Constitution and follow's it! not mocks it like the whole Exec branch of our government! What the hell are we getting in a trap of small talk and small minds and flag pins! Why doesnt the majority of the people get a clue and stop listening to Faux News and every last corporate news channel there is to include Druggy Limbomb and Shun Hasbeen. Get with it and listen to Thom Hartman from 9-12pm on Air America 960 Am dial get with the plan guys and stop listening to spin news before you spin out and vote for muckCain

G

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 04/24/2008

Dennis Kucinich keeps a pocket version of the constitution in his pocket, as do I when I work my side job for the Florida department of elections (a lot of good it's done us there, eh?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 04/24/2008

I have one of those pocket Constitutions (the Cato Institute makes them!) and I got Barak Obama to sign mine at a fundraiser a few weeks ago. It is the most effective tool for shutting up the fascist right wing 'patriots' when you whip it out to show that they are actually advocating something extremely unAmerican. Make sure you read it a few times, then use it to defend the good USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 04/24/2008

Is it true that American politicians got in the habit of wearing flag pins when they were traveling abroad, and had to make sure they were wearing a Canadian one if they wanted anybody to talk to them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 04/24/2008

Who gives a SHIT?! How does wearing some cheap-ass piece of metal/plastic determine how patriotic you are?

NOW ON TO MORE IMPORTANT THINGS...

What teams/individuals do the candidates think will win the next Super Bowl, Stanley Cup, World Series, the NBA Finals, the main PGA events, and the World Cup? I threw the World Cup in there to determine if the candidates have any inkling of what goes on beyond our borders. Don't really care about it, but I want to see how they stand on that...."issue."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 04/24/2008

First, flag pins on the chosen.

Next, pink triangles on the gays, stars of David on the Jews.

The american conversion is coming along nicely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 04/24/2008