Long Primary Damaging Democrats

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***UPDATE APRIL 24***

The last Democratic primary contest takes place in South Dakota 40 days from today on June 3rd. Read below to see what columnists, HuffPost bloggers and party leaders are saying about the never-ending race.


Even though Hillary Clinton won Tuesday night's Pennsylvania primary by approximately ten points, the real victor is John McCain. Below is a round up from a variety of publications on why, with 40 days to go until the last Democratic primary contest on June 3rd, the fight between Obama and Clinton is only racking up points for the GOP nominee. Read a compilation of HuffPost blogs on the state of the race after Pennsylvania.

Washington Post: Continuing Battle Divides Democrats

Democratic leaders resigned themselves yesterday to a prolonged and potentially damaging battle between Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama for their party's presidential nomination, but said they will push for a quick conclusion to the warfare once the primaries end in early June. [...]

Party leaders expressed concern that, as Clinton and Obama continue to focus on each other, Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the presumed Republican nominee, is getting a free ride as he reintroduces himself around the country and begins laying out his platform for the general election.

Time: A Primary With No End by Amy Sullivan

A few months ago, the only people who talked about the possibility of a contested Democratic nomination fight extending all the way to the party's convention in August were hopeful pundits, desperate Republicans, and Chicken Little Democrats.

Most of the rational world looked at the political landscape and foresaw a smooth ride to victory for Democrats...

...If there were any true believers in such a rosy scenario still to be found within the Democratic party, they were likely disabused of that notion by the results of Tuesday's Pennsylvania primary. After six weeks of an increasingly negative contest, Clinton's solid, 10-point victory almost guarantees that the Democratic race will continue into June. The once-gleeful pundits now find themselves turning their rental cars toward Indiana while Republicans marvel at their luck and Democrats try to game out a resolution that doesn't involve a convention-floor battle in Denver.

NY Post: Too Little, Too Late by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann

Over the next two weeks, we'll be treated to much hoopla about how the Democratic race is once again up for grabs. Then, on May 5, Hillary's hopes will be dashed once more.

And then? After the votes are counted in all the primaries, look for the Gang of Four - Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean and John Edwards - to join together and issue a challenge to the superdelegates: Make up your minds.


The Atlantic: The Worst Of All Worlds For The Dems by Andrew Sullivan

Right now, the actual results suggest what I thought would be the worst possible result for the Democrats: a nine point win for Clinton. It doesn't change the race's dynamic or the math; but it will give Clinton just the tiniest sliver of an argument that she should not drop out. But what is striking in the exit polls is the polarization on three lines: gender, race and age. It was dead even with men; but a massive advantage for Clinton among women. The racial difference is obvious as well. But what really leaps out is age. Obama lost every cohort over 40; Clinton lost every cohort under 40. Race also affects the generations in turn: 67 percent of whites over 60 voted for Clinton - a massive 24 point advantage. Among the younger generation, there is much less racial polarization: under 30, whites split evenly. This is a fascinating result. It appears to me as the future struggling to overcome the past. On the process, I stick to my view that she needed double digits to have reason to stay in. Right now, she doesn't have it. But she won't leave. She will never leave. Ceding to someone younger is unthinkable to her. It's a form of death for her.


NY Times: Wilting Over Waffles by Maureen Dowd

The Democrats are growing ever more desperate about the Attack of the 50 Foot Woman. With gas prices out of control, with the comically oblivious President Bush shimmying around New Orleans -- the city he let drown -- and Condi sneaking into Baghdad as rockets and mortars hail down on the Green Zone, beating the Republicans should be a cinch.

But the Democrats watch in horror as Hillary continues to scratch up the once silvery sheen on Obama, and as John McCain not only consolidates his own party but encroaches on theirs by boldly venturing into Selma, Ala., on Monday to woo black voters.

The Atlantic: The State Of The Race by Marc Ambinder

Clinton has the burden of explaining why a potentially quixotic quest is worth the damage that might be accruing to the Democratic Party. Two weeks from tonight, the overall delegate number will probably not have changed much, and Obama, if he wins Indiana and North Carolina, will have made up the net popular vote gain that Clinton takes away from tonight. Obama will focus heavily on John McCain over the next two weeks; Clinton will do largely what she's been doing.

ABC News: Democrats' Bitter Path To The Bitter End by Russell Goldman

The final showdown and ultimate tally of superdelegates might not take place until the party's convention in August, just three months before the general election and seven months since Sen. John McCain became the Republican's presumptive nominee and began his national campaign.

The Democrats' waiting game will likely hurt the party and either candidate's chance for victory come November, political scientists and party insiders told ABC News.

 

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Obama has turned out to be a snake oil salesman.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 04/29/2008

On the contrary, practice makes perfect. Let us sharpen our teeth and McAint slumber.

Still, there is a lack of intellectual wherewithal that worries.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 04/27/2008

If Obama were in Hillarys place the media would NEVER treat Obama like this.

Hillary is going no where. The voters are voting in mass against Obama. They have turned on Obama.

Hillary and her supporters are going all the way to the floor of the convention. Those that are cry babies can't win against the REP. SO STAY HOME!!! YOUR FAILURE IS NOT NEEDED.

Hillary will be the nominee. She doesn't cry the way Obama and his cult does.

And stop hating women. We never forget the hate.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 04/27/2008

Stop crying Obama.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 04/27/2008

God you're stupid.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 04/27/2008

Yeah. Look at the picture. John-john is saying "dammit, I said RAISE YOUR F-ING ARM, YOU F-ING C-NT!"

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 04/26/2008

Ew. Nice picture of Mr. and Mrs. Saggy.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 04/26/2008

It is difficult to tolerate the ridiculous idea that the primary process actually being a race is a bad thing. Isn't it supposed to be a race? Shouldn't democrats be happy that they have two worthy candidates to take on mccain when the time comes? Either democrat will be road tested and ready while mccain will succumb to the pressure of a real campaign and show just how inept he really is and that is a good thing. The only reason anyone thinks this is bad is because so many of these cretins who call themselves journalists are bought and paid to say so. Can't people think for themselves anymore? Are we really as stupid as they keep saying we are?...Well, bushit and his gang did get elected twice...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 04/26/2008

Cindy McCain is hot. Michelle Obama is not. Operation Chaos // Votenader.org

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 04/26/2008

I guess that is a great criterion for choosing how to vote..if you are a sexist.

in any case:

Cindy McCain is a Stepford Wife, Michelle Obama is a real person and a strong woman. Of course that can be threatening to under developed males partial to trophy wives... Tee hee.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 04/27/2008

~snicker~

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 04/27/2008

Are you serious? Cindy McCain looks like the f-ing Cryptkeeper, what are you, blind?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 04/26/2008

I looked for attributable quotes from ranking Dem party heads in all of those excerpts, and found.....None! Each of those briefs was editorial, not news. None was substantiated by research, they were just more opinion by more talking heads trying to control the meme, the message, in the MSM, and Tell us what is important, what is really happening without the messy burden of facts.

To the nearly 3,600 of us who posted here, I have some slightly used WMD and a brand new "food shortage" to sell you if you're interested in more manipulative crap from the media.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 04/25/2008

Just want to add, I visited South Dakota last summer. Beautiful state...great people...lots of wildlife...open spaces.... But I came away thinking that SD is so red that it bleeds. When I attempted to voice some of my liberal views, I thought that I was going to be tarred & feathered. So I learned quickly to keep my political views to myself. Just thought I'd present my view since this article did mention that South Dakota was the last primary state. Relavant or not...it is what it is.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 04/25/2008

I am a true -blue Democrat. I am also an avid Hillary supporter. There was a time when I said, "If Hillary loses, I'll never vote for Obama". But, as I sat back and watched the blogging, the media, and the other in-fighting in this race, I became scared. Because, as I have stated in other blogs, we cannot afford to let McCain in the Oval Office. I'm still backing Hillary, and I don't want her to drop out. But in the end, we as Democrats have to come together. People are very emotional at this point. This is a good thing as long as we believe in what brings our emotions to the surface. But, in the end, we must all give in to reason. Logic and reason are the only hope that our country has left. So, I'm pleading with all Dems to take a deep breath...exhale... and ponder the effect your decision will have upon America in the long run. Our freedom and liberty are at stake. This is the very reason we have free elections and can afford to indulge in emotion. So think long and hard at your decision to vote or not vote, or to cross party lines. I have. And this pause in my thinking has given me a different perspective on this entire race.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 04/25/2008

If you want to see a Dem Pres, please ask Hillary to leave the race and stop poisoning the water for Obama and helping McCain.

I used to like the Clintons but NO MORE.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 04/27/2008

Question, if you are a "true-blue Democrat" how could you ever make a statement that if your choice did not win the nomination, you wouldn't vote for the one who actually won the nomination. Even though you state that you are an avid Hillary supporter, I'm sure even you would have to admit that her early campaign strategy was chaotic and unorganized. What everyone is witnessing now is desperation trying the fight to the end - no matter what. Slow and steady often wins the race and Obama has run an outstanding campaign. Hillary Republican roots are starting to show. I heard her make a statement that she wouldn't hesitate to obliterate (I believe those were her words) and enemy sounded a lot like George (ADHD) Bush - AKA Yosemite Same. That is the same hair-triggered temper that got us into this senseless war and so many other dilemmas we are in today. The Democrats are handing this one to John McCain on a silver platter. SAD!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 04/26/2008

I'm an avid Obama supporter as well. I'd really not like to have another Bush in the White House. It will be difficult for me, but if by some miracle Clinton won the nomination, I would vote for her with gritted teeth.

Do you deny that the way the Democratic Primary ravaging on has made your distaste for Obama grow? That your support for Hillary has not raised your ire for Obama? I know I find that to be the case with Clinton. If long time voting Democrats are having a hard time "biting the bullet" and voting for the Democrat they didn't choose, how do you think new (blue collar and otherwise) will feel after their "chosen candidate" is not nominated? We have to face the facts that this primary dragging on is only helping the Republicans.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 04/26/2008

Thhis has nothing to do with the article, but has Cindy MCBUSH had a face lift?????? Just asking.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 04/25/2008

Nothing short of a surprise nuclear attack or the allegation that McCain is a pedophile will get McCain or any other republican elected in November. The democratic primary is a great PR boost for the US, especially in Europe. Whichever candidate wins the nomination will also go on to be president. The strong likelihood is that Obama will be the next president. Most because if Hillary had been anyone other than a "Clinton", she'd be the nominee already.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 04/25/2008

Never before have we seen anything like this. I have voted since 1976 and never heard of some of this stuff going on with this party. Usually this kind of hate is reserved for Dems and Republicans debates. HRC don't want to play by the rules and insist on changing them as she bulldoze her way through. She want to blame Obama for not getting the votes from Michigan and Florida early primary , he is willing to split the votes between the two. Everyone agreed not to count Mi. and Fl. if they broke the rules and held early primaries including HRC now she want those votes to help her in the total vote count. As a Michigan voter who did vote because my candidate name was not on the ballot I say no way that TRICK get her way this time. If the DNC gives in to her they will be sorry. Payback is a B**CH and there will be backlash from voters everywhere. All HRC is doing is handing the White House to McCain and I for one will vote for him ( my grandparents and parents are rolling in their graves after that statement). But for real for real I will! After 8 years of the Clintons I am sick of them.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 04/25/2008

The internet and the blogs are the thorn in the side of the MSM and their Goebbels attempt to frame the discussion and disseminate the lies that fit their agenda. If you had to rely upon the MSM, you would actually believe the Clinton spin and the McCain spin...and not see that Corporate Dems and Reps speak with one forked tongue. The Corporations have paid billions to create a totalitarian state where we pay and they steal our treasure and our freedoms.

Communism was not our nemesis or enemy. It was Corporate Right Wing Fascism and they are winning this new Cold War. Did I say Cold War? Both of them had HOT SPOTS where US soldiers are sacrificed on the altar of greed and global theft disguised as unabashed patriotic fervour. Their service is honourable. I served in Vietnam as a platoon officer since I had graduated with ROTC.

Hillary and Bill Clinton have lost this primary battle if the truth is pledged delegates and superdelegates there to ensure that the will of the people are not frustrated. Remember this....superdelegates were created to keep the DINO Dixiecrat and DLC wing in control of the DNC.
The Clintons want you to forget the Campbell, Lieberman, Miller, Tauzin etc.,....and countless Dixiecrats who betrayed the party and became Republicans with Gingrich.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 04/25/2008

As a US citizen who lives half his year in my spouse's Canada, I am aware of the political, economic and cultural differences between our two nations. I am a Yankee New England and Mayflower descendant born and raised in Plymouth MA as a Congregationalist, the Puritan faith. My change to Anglican occurred more than three decades ago when we met. It seems that a Congregational Republican became an Anglican/Episcopal Democrat.

I had become a Democrat much younger. At first, there might have been an element of rebellion, but RFK and MLK convinced me that my abolitionist forebears would have been proud. I have felt nothing since the DLC hijacked the DNC decades ago.....until NOW, until Senator Obama.....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 04/25/2008

2/2
Those pesky NYT clinton endorsements.
Will The Times never learn? (See NYT: 'The Low Road to Victory')

Sulzberger's carefully worded rationalization of the clinton endorsements points to clinton "policies," not achievements; is this tacit acknowledgement that clinton "achievements" -- when legal -- were more illusory than real -- that The Times' Faustian bargain was not such a good deal after all?

If we assume that the clintons are the proximate cause of 9/11 --- a proposition not difficult to demonstrate (see 'Virtual Kill' (YouTube)) --- it follows that The New York Times is culpable, too.

Elie Wiesel makes a distinction between "information" and "knowledge." Information is data; it is devoid of an ethical component; it is neutral. Knowledge is a higher form of information. Knowledge is information that had been internalized and given a moral dimension.

At a minimum, The Times' failure -- whether concerning clinton endorsements, or classified leaks or the Holocaust -- is a failure to make this distinction. More likely though, it is a failure not nearly so benign.

P.S.
That missus clinton has been vetted is perhaps the biggest 'fairy tale' of this race.

BAGGAGE + BOMBS: vetting hillary (YouTube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1SovbQR0jE

#8 - Top Favorites - News+Politics
#23 - Top Rated - "
#89 - Top Favorites

ALSO:

more baggage: hillary's terrorist ties

yet more hillary baggage: abuse of power and the Barrett report

(OBAMA CAN BURY HILLARY NOW. All he has to do is request and publish the 120 redacted pages of the Barrett

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 04/25/2008

Lying about Hilary will NEVER get Obamas terror ties away from Obama.

And you want some truth ask Larry Sinclair about the time he spent with Obama in the back of Obamas friends limo.

And the time Obama spent with Donald Young.

Now that is just the start of the truth about Obama.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 04/27/2008

~rolls eyes~ Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know. Next.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 04/27/2008


1/2

Those pesky NYT clinton endorsements.
Will The Times never learn? (See NYT editorial: 'The Low Road to Victory')

I remember...
Pinch Sulzberger scurrying to the C-SPAN confessional even as the fires raged under the mammoth heap of ash and twisted steel that was once the Twin Towers and 2801 human beings. He had to make certain no one would blame The New York Times.

The Times' 1996 endorsement of bill clinton was the problem. The endorsement, you may recall, was contingent on clinton getting a brain transplant--specifically of the character lobe. How could The Times square that shameful, irresponsible endorsement with this monstrous failure?

Sulzberger quickly explained that The Times was able to endorse clinton by separating clinton's "policies" from "the man." (Did he actually buy into the clintons' 'compartmentalization' con? Or was this apparent credulousness simply another cynical expedient for The New York Times?)

Probing questions by the host, Brian Lamb, followed, eliciting from Sulzberger this damning historical parallel: "The Times dropped ball during Holocaust by failing to connect the dots."

It appears that The New York Times doesn't learn from its mistakes. Will it take The Times another 50 years to understand/admit that by having endorsed for reelection a "documentably dysfunctional" president with "delusions" -- its own words -- it must bear sizeable blame for the 9/11 horror and its aftermath?

(continued below)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 04/25/2008

2/2-continued

Sulzberger's carefully worded rationalization of the clinton endorsements points to clinton "policies," not achievements; is this tacit acknowledgement that clinton "achievements" -- when legal -- were more illusory than real -- that The Times' Faustian bargain was not such a good deal after all?

If we assume that the clintons are the proximate cause of 9/11 --- a proposition not difficult to demonstrate (see 'Virtual Kill' (YouTube)) --- it follows that the NYT is culpable, too.

Elie Wiesel makes a distinction between "information" and "knowledge." Information is data; it is devoid of an ethical component; it is neutral. Knowledge is a higher form of information. Knowledge is information that had been internalized and given a moral dimension.

At a minimum, The Times' failure -- whether concerning clinton endorsements, or classified leaks or the Holocaust -- is a failure to make this distinction. More likely though, it is a failure not nearly so benign.

P.S.
That missus clinton has been vetted is perhaps the biggest 'fairy tale' of this race.

BAGGAGE + BOMBS: vetting hillary (YouTube)
#8 - Top Favorites (Today) - News + Politics
#23 - Top Rated (Today) - News + Politics
#89 - Top Favorites (Today)

ALSO on YouTube:

more baggage: hillary's terrorist ties

yet more hillary baggage: abuse of power and the Barrett report

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 04/25/2008

'yet more hillary baggage: abuse of power and the Barrett report' (YouTube)

Note: Obama has the ammo to bury missus clinton--and the husband--NOW. All he has to do is request and publish the 120 redacted pages of the Barrett report. Those redacted pages document massive clinton abuse of power, including the siccing of the IRS and DOJ, Stalinist style, on clinton foes and victims of abuse.

See:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/emmapeel2/gGCCSx

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 04/25/2008

2/2-continued

Sulzberger's carefully worded rationalization of the clinton endorsements points to clinton "policies," not achievements; is this tacit acknowledgement that clinton "achievements" -- when legal -- were more illusory than real -- that The Times' Faustian bargain was not such a good deal after all?

If we assume that the clintons are the proximate cause of 9/11 --- a proposition not difficult to demonstrate (see 'Virtual Kill' (YouTube)) --- it follows that the NYT is culpable, too.

Elie Wiesel makes a distinction between "information" and "knowledge." Information is data; it is devoid of an ethical component; it is neutral. Knowledge is a higher form of information. Knowledge is information that had been internalized and given a moral dimension.

At a minimum, The Times' failure -- whether concerning clinton endorsements, or classified leaks or the Holocaust -- is a failure to make this distinction. More likely though, it is a failure not nearly so benign.

P.S.
That missus clinton has been vetted is perhaps the biggest 'fairy tale' of this race.

BAGGAGE + BOMBS: vetting hillary (YouTube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1SovbQR0jE

#8 - Top Favorites (Today) - News + Politics
#23 - Top Rated (Today) - News + Politics
#89 - Top Favorites (Today)

ALSO on YouTube:

more baggage: hillary's terrorist ties

yet more hillary baggage: abuse of power and the Barrett report

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 04/25/2008

if we "assume the clintons are the proximate cause of 9/11" we'll all be as stupid as you. what we can assume is that the conservative militarists are too stupid to catch osama. that we can assume.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 04/25/2008

2 months ago I was the biggest Obama supporter ever. I drove to South Carolina, Alabama and Mississippi to help get out the vote.

Then he allowed his surrogates to go moonlighting and he does not fire him. So what happens? Another surrogate saw that and decides to go moonlighting also. His wife is also out campaigning an basically spouting off her own views of the world.

Today ..Obama could not buy my vote if he had all the money in the world. I despise weakness and indecisiveness.
He takes pride in not being the average politician, yet he has to play by the rules of the average politician. Therefore Mr. Obama you cannot expect to be treated like a different politician. You will be labeled and branded by your opponents in the most negative of lights.

When Bush was running you do not get invited to close door meetings unless you are vetted. Mr Obama wants to be different so he opens up his meetings to one and all. The result? Bittergate !! I cannot support a politician who does not do risk management.

So I will be putting my vote in a bottle and I'll be driving to the coast this weekend and throwing it out to sea.

I refuse to give my vote to someone who has no focus and lacks discipline.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 04/24/2008