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My friend Phil Attey asks why Obama keeps mentioning gays and lesbians in his speeches - speeches he makes to the public at large, not just gay audiences - and Hillary never does. Phil writes:

Last month, a gay Philadelphian LGBT publisher raised the issue that Senator Obama, though often addressing LGBT issues and including us in his major speeches, was not granting his publication an exclusive interview. Senator Obama quickly addressed the issue and granted an exclusive interview to the national LGBT publication, The Advocate.

Tonight, following the Pennsylvania Primary, Senator Obama once again showed his commitment to our community by including us in his address to the nation. Senator Clinton, speech, once again, did not include us, and it brings up the issue that hers never do.

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- WaynesWhirled See Profile I'm a Fan of WaynesWhirled

Hillary doesn't have a "gay problem". She consistently recieves the majority of the LGBT vote. She consistently speaks out about LGBT issues, Obama on the other hand has to be forced into speaking with gay media. And if Hillary was afraid that she will be viewed as pro-gay as this ridiculous article suggests, why would she attend (and be photographed) attending so many gay pride marches, where as Obama has never even attended one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 04/26/2008
- butchie65 See Profile I'm a Fan of butchie65

She sent Chelsea out at whatever time of night with Rendell, why didn't she go there herself ? She sends her to a gay bar and uses her own daughter. If she is for the gays then do it yourself, don't send your daughter. She's nothing but a hypocrite just like someone else said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 04/25/2008
- AdamX See Profile I'm a Fan of AdamX

Is Huma Abedin Hillary's lover? That might explain part of her "Gay Problem".

Who knows - yet. But, there are only 4 possibilities:

1: Hillary has no romantic life and is sexless.

2: Hillary does it with Bill.

3: Hillary has a guy on the side.

4: Hillary has a woman on the side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 04/25/2008
- DeanLowe See Profile I'm a Fan of DeanLowe

If she has such a problem with Gays then why would she go to any Pride parades? Has Obama ever been photographed at a Pride parade?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 04/25/2008
- JackNasty See Profile I'm a Fan of JackNasty

Can you think of a bigger non-issue than attending a gay pride parade or giving an interview to a Hillary supporting editor in Pennsylvania because I can't?

Hillary supports keeping most of DOMA. Her husband signed it into law . Twice burned by the Clintons is enough for most of us.

Obama talks about homophobia in black churches. He has pledged to repeal both DOMA and Don't Ask Don't Tell in their entireties.

Get your priorities in order, girlfriend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 04/26/2008
- paul15260 See Profile I'm a Fan of paul15260

She was at the pride parade with a big black hat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 04/25/2008
- Vern58 See Profile I'm a Fan of Vern58

Does the presence of one politician at a pride parade automatically ensure the community's loyalty. I am sorry, but it looks more like the vote pandering HRC we have all come to know and love was doing what she does best. I am certain she would throw us under the next bus if it was politically expedient for her to do so, just as her husband did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 04/25/2008
- joeyp404 See Profile I'm a Fan of joeyp404

Would it hurt for Barack to pander once in a while?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 04/26/2008
- OverIt See Profile I'm a Fan of OverIt

I'm soooo OVER Hillary AND name-trolls!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 04/24/2008
- BatedBreath See Profile I'm a Fan of BatedBreath

I like that hat, Hill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 04/24/2008
- WaynesWhirled See Profile I'm a Fan of WaynesWhirled

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/04/politics/main3993547.shtml

Hillary Clinton has pledged to eliminate the disparities for same-sex couples under Federal law, effectively ending the DOMA policy. CBS news covered the story (click the link above and read it for yourself) it was a big announcement, but I guess Obama supporters only read and hear what they want to.
She has also pledged to end the military policy of Dont Ask Dont Tell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 04/24/2008
- JackNasty See Profile I'm a Fan of JackNasty

"Hillary Clinton has pledged to eliminate the disparities for same-sex couples under Federal law, effectively ending the DOMA policy." -- WaynesWhirled

Hillary Clinton supports repealing only section 3 of DOMA. During the HRC/Logo Presidential Forum, Hillary Clinton was the only candidate not to support the full repeal of the DOMA.

Hillary said " ... I want to proceed with equalizing federal benefits. I want to repeal Section 3 of DOMA, which stands in the way of the extension of benefits to people in committed, same-sex relationships, and, you know, I will be very strongly in favor of doing that as president."

Why just Section 3? Why not the whole thing?

Translating Clintonese word parsing into action: Hillary will fight to retaining most of DOMA while doing nothing to repeal Section 3. This is how the Clintons operate.

The Clintons already fooled gay voters twice with Don't Ask in '93 and DOMA in '96. Who's willing to be fooled again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 04/26/2008
- RThM See Profile I'm a Fan of RThM

Admit it, Penn. WaynesWhirled is one of your sock puppets. Pledge. Pledge. Pledge. In the end she really hasn't done that much except toss a few crumbs to distract a few pigeons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 04/25/2008
- S1m0n See Profile I'm a Fan of S1m0n

Believe that one when you see it, and not a second before.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 04/24/2008
- mooph See Profile I'm a Fan of mooph

Good on her.

But the part she's not pledging to repeal is that no state (or other political subdivision within the United States) need treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.

If she gets the Federal non-recognition of same sex marriage repealed, then it opens the door to throw out the second part (above) pursuant to the rules of marriage recognition. But wouldn't it be best to just have that part repealed too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 04/24/2008
- WaynesWhirled See Profile I'm a Fan of WaynesWhirled

You seem to be advocating gay marraige, which is a position Obama has said he is against. To eliminate all disparities under Federal law for same sex couples would end DOMA. You seem to be making an arguement about State laws, which is for a Governor and State Legislators to decide, not a President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 04/24/2008
- mooph See Profile I'm a Fan of mooph

Um ... if you read the DOMA legislation, as passed, you'd see that there's a provision discounting the common recognition of marriage across state lines. So, if Massachusetts allows same-sex marriage, no other state will have to recognize that marriage. This is part of the federal DOMA law, which is contrary to the rules of marriage recognition that have been structured by precedent through the courts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 04/24/2008
- PrdAmerican See Profile I'm a Fan of PrdAmerican

So has Obama...he has pledged to lift the ban on gays in the military and repeal ALL OF DOMA if it arrives at his desk.

http://citizenchris.typepad.com/citizenchris/2007/06/obama_and_doma.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 04/24/2008
- JackNasty See Profile I'm a Fan of JackNasty

"So has Obama...he has pledged to lift the ban on gays in the military and repeal ALL OF DOMA if it arrives at his desk."--PrdAmerican

Yes, he has many times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 04/26/2008
- mooph See Profile I'm a Fan of mooph

They're such copycats! ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 04/24/2008
- ohmercy See Profile I'm a Fan of ohmercy

LOL
oh yeah

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 04/24/2008
- truthskr See Profile I'm a Fan of truthskr

May I please point something out? Hillary is NOT going to be the Democratic nominee - arguing amongst ourselves is not going to change that mathematically -based fact.

So, for those of us who are members of the gay community, interested in preserving whatever precious few rights we have in our individual states or even further advancing our rights in this country as full, tax-paying, voting citizens, we need to come to grips with Obama as our nominee. I personally support Obama over Clinton, but those who do not, who feel Obama is operating some subversive anti-gay agenda, you should direct your comments, concerns and criticisms not just here but to his campaign directly. When all of this media-manufactured "Hillary still has a chance" non-sense is finally over, we will have two choices: Obama or McCain. Unless you are a complete self-loather, you will vote Democrat. Or maybe Clinton will run as an Independent, and then you can really waste your vote in Nader-esque style. But unlike Nader, she could probably peel quite a few democrats away, thereby guaranteeing the presidency to McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 04/24/2008
- blubastian See Profile I'm a Fan of blubastian

truthskr, could you please do the math and show me how Obama will reach that mark of 2,025? I've workrd the numbers and I just don't see how it is possible for either candidate to reach the magic number. It's up to the super delegates and hopefully they will go with the candidate that is sure to beat McCain in November. Hillary Clinton!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/24/2008
- truthskr See Profile I'm a Fan of truthskr

Neither Hillary or Obama will reach this number, and I have never stated that Obama will. But even with her PA win, which only closed the margin between she and Obama by something like 10 delegate votes, Hillary still needs something in the neighborhood of 70-80% of all remaining votes (pledged and super alike). Anyone with an understanding of statistics realizes that this will not happen. I have a math degree and work as an actuary, and no one in my field who I talk to who are following this election in our numbers-crunching way, thinks Hillary has anything much outside of a 1% chance.

Sure, the SDs *could* go Clinton, and therefore against Obama's elected and popular vote wins, but that has been far from the trend for soem time now and to do so would usurp and disenfranchise a huge portion of the Party's base - blacks, progressives/liberals, young Dems, first time voters - and people they will need to defeat McCain. Also, many SDs, as elected officials, looking our for their own best interests and re-elections will likely be very leery of overturning an elected+popular vote win.

Just saying, it's well more than a possibility that Obama is our nominee, and all of the gay genuflecting in the world in the Clintons' direction is not going to change this. We need a plan to address any concerns we may have as an entire community with Obama and move forward with him in partnership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 04/24/2008
- dvdpt See Profile I'm a Fan of dvdpt

You should not commet on what you know not what you want
Hillary only won pennsylvanian and she won 10 delegates more than obama and along with the popular vote.
only in that state now Obama thats diffrent because he won more states !
I believe Obama has 130 delegates more than Hillary
and Obama has the popular vote as well.
Florida and Michigan delegates can not be count.
END OF STORY !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 04/28/2008
- blubastian See Profile I'm a Fan of blubastian

"I have a math degree and work as an actuary"

I am so impressed!

In your post you claimed that, "Hillary is NOT going to be the Democratic nominee - arguing amongst ourselves is not going to change that mathematically -based fact." You said it was a "mathematically -based fact" and I requested mathematical proof. With your math degree you should have no trouble showing me the facts you claim to have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 04/24/2008
- mooph See Profile I'm a Fan of mooph

Um ... pledged superdelegates? You know, those supers that pledge to vote for a particular candidate? Just like the ones Clinton was touting early in the campaign?

Yeah, it'll come down to the convention before they can make their selection valid, but still....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 04/24/2008
- truthskr See Profile I'm a Fan of truthskr

Yep, you're right. Neither will reach 2025 via state-by-state electeds, it will be the supers that push one over. All of the SDs have been heavily trending Obama in the last 3-4 months and will continue to so do and they can take cover behind the elected and popular vote win of Obama as well as the continued endorsements of Dem heavy-hitters, the vast majority of which will likely go to Obama.

All signs point to Pelosi, Dean, Gore, and others pushing hard on the SDs to choose much sooner than later. I live here in Denver, work 1/2 mile from where the Dem Convention will be held in August and I do not want it to be a sideshow in which the Democratic Party hands over the win to McCain via Party infighting and irreparable division.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 04/24/2008
- truthskr See Profile I'm a Fan of truthskr

Yep, you're right. Neither will reach 2025 via state-by-state electeds, it will be the supers that push one over. All of the SDs have been heavily trending Obama in the last 3-4 months and will continue to so do and they can take cover behind the elected and popular vote win of Obama as well as the continued endorsements of Dem heavy-hitters, the vast majority of which will likely go to Obama.

All signs point to Pelosi, Dean, Gore, and others pushing hard on the SDs to declare much sooner than later, for which I would be very happy. If by some miracle it ended up Clinton, fine, let's just decide already. I live here in Denver, work 1/2 mile from where the Dem Convention will be held in August and I do not want it to be a sideshow in which the Democratic Party hands over the win to McCain via Party infighting and irreparable division.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 04/24/2008
- Benmyoho See Profile I'm a Fan of Benmyoho

If not Hillary Clinton, who? Your Osama dude? No way Jose!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/24/2008
- truthskr See Profile I'm a Fan of truthskr

Wow, I pray that you're not gay, using such inflammatory and clearly bigoted language. I'm embarrassed for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/24/2008
- mooph See Profile I'm a Fan of mooph

Nice fear-inducing (bordering on hate-mongering) name calling. Twice!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 04/24/2008
- mooph See Profile I'm a Fan of mooph

Sen. Clinton wants to repeal only a part of DOMA, which could have two possible outcomes. The repeal could prevent conflict between states that have different marriage laws on the books, while leaving the door open for individual states to follow in Massachusetts" footsteps.

However, by only repealing one section of DOMA, states could still continue to reinforce bans on marriage for gay and lesbian couples. The media would do well to remember that even the closest advisors and supporters of the presidential hopefuls can misrepresent the facts when it comes to the candidates" positions on complex issues related to the LGBT community.

http://glaadorg.nexcess.net/defense-of-marriage-act/2008/03/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 04/24/2008
- WaynesWhirled See Profile I'm a Fan of WaynesWhirled

Hillary Clinton has pledged to eliminate the disparities for same-sex couples under Federal law, effectively ending the DOMA policy. CBS news covered the story, it was a big announcement, but I guess Obama supporters only read and hear what they want to.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/04/politics/main3993547.shtml

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/24/2008
- mooph See Profile I'm a Fan of mooph

The part of DOMA that she's pledging to repeal is that the Federal Government may not treat same-sex relationships as marriages for any purpose, even if concluded or recognized by one of the states.

The part she's not pledging to repeal is that no state (or other political subdivision within the United States) need treat a relationship between persons of the same sex as a marriage, even if the relationship is considered a marriage in another state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 04/24/2008
- ohmercy See Profile I'm a Fan of ohmercy

From Gay City News 2006
http://tinyurl.com/yb4hm9

Quinn opened the meeting recalling a number of issues-LGBT-related and not-which she had worked with Clinton on in the 10 months since she's been the Council leader. She focused in particular on their efforts to strategize about the Senate Democrats' response to this summer's efforts by Republicans to revive a federal constitutional amendment barring same-sex marriage beaten back in 2004.

"Every single time since I've been elected speaker, I ever time I've picked up the phone to ask Senator Clinton to help the LGBT community, she has said yes," Quinn said. "She's assigned staff, she's taken her own time and political capital to put in on the deal."

Ethan Geto, a long-time gay activist who described himself as an advisor to the senator on LGBT issues, introduced Clinton, addressing what he called "the elephant in the room."

"We're engaged in a dialogue with someone who has the stature, who has the credibility, the viability to be the party's standard bearer in 2008," he said. "I think when you look at Senator Clinton's record, she may not agree with us on every last policy issue, but when you look at the totality of the record, there is no one in this country who may be the president of the United States with whom we have a warmer, a stronger, a closer productive working relationship."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/24/2008
- k6007 See Profile I'm a Fan of k6007

What about the rest of the country. I'm sorry I don't throw the good of All under the bus in favor of a particular niche of it's society.

The clintons have been a disaster for this country, indeed, the world........Happy self-serving.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 04/24/2008
- blubastian See Profile I'm a Fan of blubastian

I may be gay but I'm not a Clinton supporter based on just one issue. I am also a gun owner living in a small rural Nebraska town. My partner is a Vietnam era vet and her son is an Iraq war vet. We are concerned about the environment, the economy, the price of gas and resulting high price of food. We have no intention of throwing the country under the bus, that's why we will continue to support Hillary Clinton!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 04/24/2008
- WaynesWhirled See Profile I'm a Fan of WaynesWhirled

That's a great post, Thanks for that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 04/24/2008
- ohmercy See Profile I'm a Fan of ohmercy

;)

No use arguing with people who are closed minded.
They have the next big thing and thats all that counts.
consume, eat it up till the next big thing comes.

Its a consumer nation and we are being sold the next big thing.

McCain will be Pres because the media thinks they owe him so all the fawning they did over Obama they will be giving back to McCain... you can see it happening already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 04/24/2008
- GregQuindel See Profile I'm a Fan of GregQuindel

So, she's the first to accept an invitation by LOGO for an interview. Then she elequently expresses her support for gay issues and brilliantly does it in a fashion that can't be twisted into an attack ad but somehow that's not good enough. Silly.