"Basic Instinct" Director Suggest Jesus A Product Of Rape

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TOBY STERLING | April 23, 2008 04:24 PM EST | AP


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AMSTERDAM, Netherlands — "Basic Instinct" director Paul Verhoeven has written a book that contradicts biblical teaching by suggesting that Jesus might have been fathered by a Roman soldier who raped Mary.

An Amsterdam publishing house said Wednesday it will publish the Dutch filmmaker's biography of Jesus, "Jesus of Nazareth: A Realistic Portrait," in September.

Verhoeven is best known as the director of blockbuster films including "Basic Instinct" and "RoboCop," but he is also a member of "Jesus Seminar," a group of scholars and authors that seeks to establish historical facts about Jesus.

Marianna Sterk of the publishing house J.M. Meulenhoff said the book includes several ideas that run contrary to Christian faith, including the suggestion that Jesus could be the son of a Roman soldier who raped Mary during a Jewish uprising against Roman rule in 4 B.C.

The book also claims that Judas Iscariot was not responsible for Jesus' betrayal, she said.

The movie director's claims were greeted with some skepticism among those who have dedicated their careers to studying the life of Jesus. One issue is that there is very little information about the life of Jesus outside of the Gospels. The Gospels as understood by Christians for nearly 2,000 years do not support Verhoeven's ideas.

William Portier, a professor of religious studies at the University of Dayton, in Ohio, said the Jesus Seminar is known for making provocative claims, but "they are real scholars _ you have to deal with them."

However, he said Verhoeven's ideas sounded "pretty out there."

John Dominic Crossan, a Jesus Seminar founder, agreed. He said that while Verhoeven was a member in good standing, there is little evidence for the view that Jesus was illegitimate.

Crossan said the claim is first reported in a polemic written in the second century against the Book of Matthew, intended for a Jewish audience.

"It's an obvious first retort to claims that Mary was a virgin," Crossan said. "If you wanted to do a hatchet job on Jesus' reputation, this would be the way."

The most likely scenario for people who don't accept that Jesus was literally the son of God and had no human father is simply that he was the son of Joseph, Crossan said.

Sterk said the book will be translated into English in 2009. Verhoeven hopes it will be a springboard for him to raise interest in making a film along the same lines, she said.

Verhoeven, 69, has dreamed of making a movie about Jesus' life for decades, she said.

Asked whether it would be difficult to follow Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" and Martin Scorsese's "The Last Temptation of Christ," she said Verhoeven knows he may be somewhat late to market.

"He is painfully aware of that," she said. "However, he has quite a different angle."

 
 

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In the very opening lines (well I think the third or fourth paragraph) of the Gospel of Matthew, the text clearly states that Mary was pregnant by someone other than Joseph. I know it's common to claim an immaculate conception, but, putting aside the well-known debate over the choice of virgin as opposed to maiden or young girl, a much more rational and simplistic explanation is that Mary had relations with someone human. It sounds like Mr. Verhoeven actually repeats an old Midrash (?) saying that Jesus' father was a roman soldier named Pantera.

But, for Mr. Crossan to state with a straight face 'there is little evidence for the view that Jesus was illegitimate' is ridiculous. It's stated in black and white in the Gospel of Matthew that Mary was pregnant and not by Joseph. So, I wonder what how Mr. Crossan defines illegitimate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 04/25/2008

It's funny to hear religious scholar's argue that the idea that Jesus was illegitimate is "pretty out there", while the idea that he was conceived miraculously as the only Son of God presumably isn't ...

Verhoeven's theory is one that many have considered (myself included) but few have ever had the guts to speak out loud because so many people will be irrationally offended by it. I'm glad that it's out in the open and being discussed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 04/25/2008

My imaginary friend can beat up your imaginary friend!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 04/25/2008

If a guy stood on the corner with a sign that said "Santa Claus is Real," and another fellow came up and debated it with him for 3+ hours, you'd know who the bigger fruitcake was.

Aetheists all tell us God is imaginary, yet they'll spend hours, days, years arguing their case. In fact, it never ends. THEY are the ones who can't let go. From a lawsuit over reading Genesis on Apollo8 to Huffpo, the aetheists can't ever stop arguing.

Who's the bigger fruitcakes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 04/25/2008

My money would be on YOU.

People can believe whatever the hell they want to believe. When it starts infringing on MY health, MY rights and MY future, thats when the line needs to be drawn.

I don't care about some director and his thoughts on Jeebus, IMHO Jesus wasn't the product of rape, or a virgin birth. If anything he is the product of 2,000 years of hype bordering on hysteria.

If you need to suspend rational thought to make it through the day, so be it. I'm just glad that whatever God you believe in happened to give me a more agile, intelligent mind than the average sheep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 04/30/2008

Huh? Were you saying something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 04/26/2008

This was also the theme of Il Miracolo (The Miracle), and early short film by Federico Fellini starring Anna Magnani and Fellini himself. The idea's nothing new.

Verhoeven's non-Hollywood movies, like The Black Book and Soldier of Orange, are really great. I have tremendous respect for him as an artist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 04/25/2008

Correction. "Il Miracolo" was directed by Roberto Rossellini, not Fellini. It was part of a trilogy called "L'Amore," or "Ways of Love." When the film was released in the US in 1950, there was an attempt by the Catholic Church and others to have it banned. The case went to the Supreme Court, which ruled in favor of the film, and artistic freedom, on First Amendment grounds in 1952. Historically this was an important blow against film censorship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 04/25/2008

I so enjoy Paul Verhoeven. Everything he does is tongue in cheek and he sucks the public in everytime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 04/25/2008

To me the bible clealy indicates that mary was a young unmarried woman, which was mistranslated as "virgin". Both genealogies of Jesus, even though inconsistant, say Joseph was the father. To me the entire thing is stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 04/25/2008

I think he got the idea from "The Life of Brian."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 04/25/2008

Roderick Christ... Roderick Christ... Just doesn't have the same ring to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 04/26/2008

There is no evidence in any of the canonical and apocryphal gospels to support this. There is no historical record either. Ironically, the first "Christian" Roman Emperor Constantine destroyed all written Roman documents about Jesus of Nazareth. So, who knows. The film might be interesting regardless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 AM on 04/25/2008

We are TOLD that the evidence was destroyed. But how do we know?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 04/25/2008

Just as good an explanation for the imaginary Jew as any other I've heard

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 04/24/2008

Hey, if you go to the bible you can find the following facts:

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 04/24/2008

Jesus as miracle or magician is of little consequence. The Jesus that inspires today lives now in the hearts of millions. This is the miracle. Denigrating his legacy only feeds some compulsion towards hatred within his detractors. These projections have little to do with Jesus fact of fiction. We will never know the historical Jesus, but we can know the Spirit of him within. This is as real as anything we can experience or may hope to. The proof is in the experience, but it requires a leap of faith to even try and find him and an honest and open heart. Until then, outrageous theories to gain personal attention, sell a movie or degrade others beliefs to satisfy some self loathing or unprocessed emotional wound mean nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 04/24/2008

Stanley, there is no denigration of Jesus. In fact, it is otherwise. Jesus' illegitmate birth is right there in the text of the Gospel of Matthew. The author of Matthew states plainly that Mary was pregnant before she laid with Joseph. That would fit the standard definition of illegitimate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 04/25/2008

hah, please stanley. there is no historical basis for the story of Jesus. the gospels of his life weren't even written down for over 70 years after his supposed "death".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 04/25/2008

It's an alternate theory, and the controversy should be taught in our Sunday schools.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 04/24/2008

I agree. Any church who takes, even peripherally, any federal money, even through tax exemption, should be required to teach the controversy.

It a legitimate alternative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 04/25/2008

Absolutely, but it may have been a Greek soldier, or possibly Germanian, maybe a syrian soldier. What a bunch of hacks. Well, I'll make a wager now, this one never makes it out of the basement of most book stores, if it makes them at all!! LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 04/24/2008


Too much time on his hands. Way too much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 04/24/2008

No seriously Joe, I am a virgin and I'm pregnant. I'm telling you it was God, seriously you do believe me right? Sure I believe you honey, I am the most gullable, naive person who ever existed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 04/24/2008

The actual meaning was "young woman", not "virgin" as we think of it today. I do think there was a man who lived then, who was a very great Rabbi who profoundly affected a lot of people. I don't really believe the later add-ons. But for this infant religion to take hold and have such a profound effect, there must have been something very powerful at the root of it, and not just some made-up stuff by a bunch of theorists with too much time on their hands. Something went on there; exactly what, we'll probably never know. [A few other points- the Biblical term "sin" originally meant "to miss the mark", as in archery. You just tried again, there was none of this burning for eternity stuff. "Forty" just meant a great number, to people who mostly couldn't count past 5 or 10. Hence all the "forty" this and thats in the Bible]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 04/25/2008

This man is a total idiot................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 04/24/2008

Hold the phone.

Was Mary married to God??

The boy's a bastard, any way you cut it.

And raped by a Roman soldier??

Standard procedure.

Reading history is a beaufiful thing.

There is no factual info about the Jebus dude, but people will never believe it.

Fairy tales told by starving farmers eating loco weed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 04/24/2008

No kidding, especially in the wake of THE DA VINCI CODE. To believe that Jesus was divine is a matter of faith. To believe that a 30-year-old man was neither husband nor father in a society that considered you a legal adult the moment you hit puberty in an era where the average livespan was 40 and you had something like fifteen kids on the hopes that as many as three would survive all those opportunistic childhood diseases so they can hit puberty and repeat the cycle is just plain gullibility!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 04/24/2008

To be fair - Isn't any account of Jesus written after about 200 AD "revisionist" ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 04/24/2008

Read LAMB, the lost gospel of Jesus as told by his childhood friend Biff. Also alternative and much more entertaining!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 04/24/2008

I recommend LAMB to all my friends as the new bible. It makes so much more sense than the present one. But then, of course, christianity was never about sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 04/25/2008

"However, he said Verhoeven's ideas sounded "pretty out there."

And immaculate conception is not?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 04/24/2008

I guess being raped by a god or angel sounds better than being raped by a Roman soldier...

We should stick to the facts, if there were any.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 04/24/2008

Haven't we all, as kids, played the telephone game. You know, the one where someone passes along a message to the person next to them who , in turn, does the same. By the time the message is passed to the last person to a usually short number of participants, the message has been greatly changed, not resembling the original message. And we are to accept the Bible and it's teachings, which have been passed down from one generation to another over thousands of years. Somehow this has become the"the truth" and the actual teachings of Jesus? It reminds me of the joke whereby a novice medieval monk was assigned to the Bible copy department which, of course, was done by hand. He observed, since copies were made from other copies and not the original, mistakes could be passed down rendering the copies certainly not an accurate facimile of the first. Pondering this comment, the head monk retrieved the initial document frome the archieves. About this time, the novice monk passed by the superior's room only to hear an anquished cry, " It was celebrate. They forgot the R. They forgot the R". So much for celibacy and the accuracey of the Christian myth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 04/24/2008

This is no more of a crackpot theory than what Christians accept as fact. Look at it this way....2000 years ago a woman who bore a child out of wedlock could be killed, so coming up with a virgin birth at divine hands is not absolutely ludicrous as a way out of trouble. What most Christians don't know is that there is a virgin birth in Egyptian lore that predates Christ by thousands of years. Christianity is a bastardization of many earlier religions, a fairytale used to keep people in line. Unfortunately, the need for religion is long past, but people just need that crutch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 04/24/2008

Now, i'm no scholar; however someone told someone else, who told someone else, who wrote it down; and this professor i once knew told me that, back in them days, any first birth was a version of a virgin birth.
At least that's what i think the professor scholar said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/24/2008

very true..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 04/24/2008

Forget about how Jesus was conceived. Did he come back from death or not. That's the only question worth debating. If there is more to this universe than our brief 90 year lives, then it radically changes how we should live those lives and what is truly important. If we truly have nothing to fear, not even death, then we can begin to accept insane teachings such as "love thy enemy" because our enemy no longer has any power to make us afraid. Imagine, Muslims, Jews, Christians all hell-bent on loving one other instead of fearful and constantly killing each other. Alas, most of us choose fear over faith. Denying the immaculate conception is small peanuts in the scheme of things, it really doesn't matter now does it? But don't tell that to Catholics who for some queer reason worship the virgin more than the Son.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 04/24/2008

Well he was only on that cross for seven houes, everyone else was left up there for weeks.
Did he come back from the death?
Think NDE, "near death experience". this is becoming more frequent these days.
I know this is heresy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/24/2008

Remember-this is by the guy who directed Robocop, which while good, featured the dad on That Seventies Show as the main baddie. I'd take the old tales about Pantera as Jesus' daddy about as seriously as I would Verhoeven's chances of out-doing N.T. Wright in a debate on all of this...uerrm, very very little.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 04/24/2008

Mary was artificially inseminated by the Watcher's, Angels as we call them now. Basically an Alien abduction, but a special one with a purpose. Just as the story relates, that an 'Angel' came to her and told her of her pregnancy. Her Virginity was verified by the mid-wives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 04/24/2008

Even if a team of virgin-checkers checked on her, she could have gotten pregnant from stray spunk. The idea that God raped her is more unlikely than the possibility that she made out with her husband.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 04/24/2008