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"Mudcat" Saunders: Why Obama Isn't Winning Working Class Whites

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Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of Dartmouth College. Sam can be reached at stein@huffingtonpost.com.


White working class voters. They make up the constituency that many argue will decide the Democratic primary, and one that has thus far proven thorny for the electoral hopes of Sen. Barack Obama. Indeed, as the Atlantic's Ron Brownstein noted, Obama has failed to receive majority support from the white non-college bloc in every state but Wisconsin.

How could this be? The explanations are myriad. But David "Mudcat" Saunders, the famously outspoken Democratic strategist who preaches the importance of recruiting rural whites, suggests that politically strategic blunders are to blame, including, most prominently, allowing Sen. Hillary Clinton to define herself as an anti-trade candidate.

"The wild thing that I will never understand as long as I live: how in the hell did Barack Obama let Hillary Clinton become the anti-trade candidate?" Saunders said in an interview with The Huffington Post. "How did that happen? When we were doing the Edwards campaign, there was no question that we were the anti-trade candidate. And we were hitting her on the NAFTA stuff. They did not engage her when she started talking about this anti-trade stuff and 'leveling the playing field' stuff, nobody from the Obama camp said, 'Wait a minute. This is like Nixon saying he opened the door to China.' I mean he was the son of a bitch who shut it..."

Indeed, while Saunders says he believes Clinton's anti-trade sentiment is sincere (though he has no first hand knowledge) and he welcomes her platform, he was shocked to see the Obama camp cede such political turf to its rival. But that wasn't the only misstep made by the Illinois Democrat. The controversy over Obama's comments at a San Francisco fundraiser -- where he said small town voters were bitter over their economic situation -- was overblown, Saunders argued, but nevertheless played into a damaging stereotype of non-rural Democratic pols.

"I think it is absurd," Saunders said of "bitter-gate." "I think it is the prevailing wisdom of the Democratic Party. That's just a symptom of the problem. When Barack Obama was saying it, he wasn't saying that to get people all stirred up and stuff. When he was saying it and you would have asked him if there was something wrong with it, he would have bet you a million dollars to the penny that there wasn't anything wrong with it, because he believes it. I think there are an awful lot of smart people who believe in rural stereotypes. But the problem with the Democratic Party is that they don't understand...that a lot of these big city people who have stereotyped us, we have also stereotyped them. Therein lies the problem. See, that's what happened Barack Obama said that, he played into our stereotype about the big city."

Saunders should know. In 2001, he helped guide Mark Warner to the governor's office in Virginia. Five years later, he aided Jim Webb's upset run to the Senate, before signing up as a senior adviser to John Edwards' 2008 presidential campaign. The central theme of his work has been fuse Democratic politics with a rural power base.

"The Reagan Democrats want to come home, they are just dying to come home," he said. "All we just got to get a tent big enough to let them in."

But is it possible or even necessary? On Wednesday, Obama's chief strategist David Axelrod, argued that perhaps too much emphasis had been place on the white working class vote, as the group had "gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, going back even to the Clinton years." (Clinton did, in fact, win the constituency by super-slim margins in each of his elections). It is an analysis that Saunders argues is historically accurate but hardly permanent.

Moreover, at least in Pennsylvania, it was Hillary Clinton's dominance among white women that cemented her victory; she would have won even if the white male vote had split evenly.

"Historically, [Axelrod's point] is pretty accurate. But it is also historically accurate that the Democrats have never gone after them," he said. "Mike Murphy puts it better than anybody: the Democrats go after class and the Republicans go after culture. And culture encompasses class. Our culture runs from the poorest to the richest, class only inspires the poorest. You can poll the United Mine Workers and you can ask them what is more important, their gun or their job, they will pick their gun every time. It is just the power of the culture."

And yet, for all the importance of cultural dynamics, Saunders thought that Obama's bowling attempt and Clinton's Crown Royal shot-taking photo-op were ultimately inconsequential. Indeed, for either candidate to reach rural voters, he argued, their interest in small-town communities has to appear more than targeted or manufactured.

"I think [the Crown Royal] was a non-event," he said. "I think the bowling was a non-event. Thirty-seven [Obama's score] -- shit, I can't even get 37. I shot an 84 the other day with gutter guards on it. I can't bowl."

In the end, Saunders predicted, Obama will end up the Democratic nominee. Whether or not he will, before the race ends, receive the endorsement of John Edwards is something Saunders didn't know. As for the general election match-up, he argued that regardless of who's carrying the Democratic baton, work needs to be done. Never underestimate the capacity for the party to over-think itself, Saunders argued.

"They got to reach extra hard, which is what both of them have to do. Right now, if they don't do it strong, and I'm talking about small town, third-tier markets and beyond, cities of 100,000 and less, on down into the rural areas, they have got to run well there," he said. "Because that is why the Democrats always lose. You know, who knows? I don't know if they will try it or not. They might come up with some strategy that says if they win ten blocks in Cincinnati they will win Ohio."

 
 

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While I agree with some of Saunder's comments, the real issue is that the politics of distraction versus the politics of substance are more favorable to media executives' perception of American viewers. From the start, the Obama campaign has been about transcending race and gender in order to unify on core issues. Yes, Obama made some rookie blunders, but Pastor Wright and a few cocktail remarks versus the war, energy, economic, food, ecology and international diplomacy directions of America? So the elitists are those who not only subscribe to business and politics as usual, but those who subscribe to media as usual. Yes it is true that going on about race will assure Obamas defeat, but not subscribing to the buliding of a coalition for change from grass roots independents, Democrats, and Republicans, ie. getting off message , will assure that the Democrats loose the general election. Then our chickens will come home to roost. MMMM! Maybe Pastor Wright had a point!(One excerpted from Malcolm X, whom we seemed to understand in context).
I'm one of those WMS (White Mail Seniors) who isn't supposed to get Obama...????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 04/26/2008

The media diagnoses every demo....the old...young...rich....poor...educated....uneducated.... bowlers, gun toters and beer drinkers.....And somehow ALWAYS finds a way to give the advantage to Clinton. But just yesterday, the media finally began to raise the most incredible point in the whole race. HILLARY HAS LOST THE SUPPORT OF AN ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE !!!!!!!! Do you know how incredibly sad this fact is ? Hillary Clinton (who's husband was so loved as to have been called The First Black President) has alienated the black people of America to such a degree that there is no way blacks will support her EVER. This has nothing to do with Obama !!!! Keep in mind folks....Hillary started this campaign with 82% of the black support. But as blacks learned more about her (Goldwater Girl....Against Civil Rights Act of '64...etc.) combined with her LBJ statements and Bill's minimizing of Obama (fairy tale...Jesse won S.Carolina too...etc) blacks were shocked...and then incredibly offended by these revelations to a degree that can never be recovered. WE FEEL DECEIVED !!!! We hope that our friends of all races understand how we as blacks feel. This is the main story that needs to get out to the superdelegates. People across America are contacting the DNC 202-863-8000 to let them (and superdelegates) know that Hillary ABSOLUTELY KILLED HER ELECTABILTY. The truth is the truth !

Greg Jones
Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial Organization...Dedicated To Truth)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 04/26/2008


Lets be honest- the 82% fliped sides because after Iowa's white voted for Obama , they saw they had a viable black candidate - WE don't have to make excuse for the flip over

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 04/26/2008

Blacks are being racists in the this election and threatening the Democratic party, given them Obama or they will refuse to vote, or even become violent like start a race riot. This is subtle form of terrorism and isn't lost to the rest of America.

Clinton will have to win the election in November without African Americans. In Florida, she won more votes than McCain even without African americans. She can do it.

The Democrats can afford to lose the Black vote (12% of the population), but they can't afford to lose 51% of the population in women or the working person - as they are the base of the Democratic party, and always have been since women won the right to vote.

What Blacks decide they are human beings first and not Blacks first, and join the rest of the human race, then we will all be glad. Until then, they'll have to work it out among themselves.

Sounds like Clinton is going to make it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 04/26/2008

Tellmethetruth - You are monumentally ignorant. Imagine someone projecting an old white women violent insurrection because of their twisted prejudice and ignorance about old white women. I dont think you are interested in anything resembling a democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 04/26/2008

Softnsweet wrote: "Oh come on!! Lets call a spade a spade. The reason why blue collar workers will not vote for Obama is because they are RACIST!"
Finally, someone said it. All this back and forth about what Obama has to do the win over people who wouldn't vote for a black man if he saved their kids from a burning building. "Woking class whites", "blue collar whites"; media code for broke ass bigots, the unsheeted Klan. And everybody knows it. But everyone asks the dishonest question, "Why can't Obama connect with these people?" As if there's some deficiency in him. The answer to that question can be found in the old joke:
What does a white man with a penny hate most? A black man with a nickel.(cleaned up for public consumption)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 AM on 04/26/2008

Thats what Gov. Rendell said also, that they would not vote for a black man. Of course there was no big media blowup about that. And the people that were so upset because Obama said they might be bitter, when Rendell blatantly called them racist, didn't bat an eye. Perhaps because they know its true.

And the media is a propagandist joke. Those pompous, elitist assholes can still be made irrelevant if a majority of the American people can see that they DO NOT have there best interest in mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 04/27/2008

From the viewpoint of a 65 year old white woman in PA, Softnsweet is right! I moved to PA from MS (where racism reigns or so I thought). Much to my distress, I found more racism in this county than I ever saw in MS. Clinton won the county 79 to 21. They simply will not vote for a black man. Pure and simple. And they are not shy about admitting it (to another white person).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 04/26/2008

Oh come on!! Lets call a spade a spade. The reason why blue collar workers will not vote for Obama is because they are RACIST! Now lets move on because I really don't care if they vote for Obama or not. I know Hillary is not going to get it thats for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 04/26/2008

they're just as sexist as they are racist. culture encompasses class? ignorance encompasses racism. its an uneducated spade, is what it is. i know i'm not supposed to say this. how dare anyone question this too-powerful segment of the voting population... but what i've witnessed as a white girl in working class kentucky, is that the blue collars have consistantly voted against their self interest and it certainly isn't because they're educated or savvy or, for that matter, comfortable with any kind of introspection. they vote for clinton, cause its a hell of a lot like voting for a republican with all her scare tactics. and well, as the past eight years have proven, ignorant people really love voting for republicans. now let's move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 04/26/2008

Exactly. Now can we just move on?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 04/26/2008

but you dont understand if obama gets the nominnee all of white blue collar people will vote for mccain so i guess you will have to wait for the next 4years........................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 04/25/2008

so what its getting nasty its like we say if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen and all should now step behind sen.hillary clinton go to the polls and vote for her and we white blue people should do just that since obama is running a racist campigan and blaming sen.hillary clinton and there campigan people should not be putting nasty things about her which they do all the time all christians all colors its time to ralley behind our sen.hillary clinton i will be there and lets make her our next president of the united states of america . i am insulted about what obama rev said about our america and what he said in every way because i am a veteran of the usa......................lets show the polls lets blow them out..................vote for sen.hillary clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 04/25/2008

The media was never against Clinton, but it didn't stop her from whining about it every chance she got. Now could you imagine if that hatchet job called a debate had been perpetrated against her??
If you can't stand the heat???? Please!!! You and Clinton are a big joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 04/27/2008

Hillary supports the NAFTA that shipped middle class jobs away and has lobbyist running her campaign. Yet still people don't get that. You do know that lobbyist fight against the middle class right ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 04/25/2008

:-) The wonder of it all. Spin and more spin. Everyone is dizzy and trying to state a case for their opinion. Obama has won. The superdels know it... but they cannot say it because they need to let the election run its course. Fear of the Clintons runs deep because they destroy everyone that opposes them. Once the elections are finished the Clintons will run out of excuses and tell Obama he has their blessings and support in the November elections. Obama 08 - cannot wait!!! :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 04/25/2008

I think you're right. But I would love to see Obama reach this group of voters. They are such an important demographic, and they shouldn't be ignored, or stereotyped, or taken for granted. No group should. I'm hoping Obama can figure out how to reach the working class, because he does want to make their lives better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 04/26/2008

I agree and I think Mudcat's critique of Obama is valid. He should never cede the Nafta position to Hillary Clinton. He has to continually hammer away at her with the facts and her ongoing support. He can do this without adopting her duplicitous tactics. He shouldnt abandon any voting block, the campaign strategy all along was to work hard for every vote in every state and help Democrats down the ticket. Very powerful.
He should go as far as letting them know, "I know some voters might not vote for me because of my skin color, but I still know we are all in this together as Americans, and I will still fight to make a better life for you and your family."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 04/26/2008

Mudcat, three intelligent historical writers have come to the same conclusion on recent middle class voting habits. They disagree with you. It's not a stereotype, but a reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 04/25/2008

All Obama has promised is hope and the white working class know that Hope does not put food on the table. The majority of our military come from these fine people and Obama has not exactly proved his patriotism. I thought nothing of him not wearing a flag pin until Michelle made the comment that for the first time in her adult life she was really proud of her country now I am not so sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 04/25/2008

And how should Obama prove his patriotism?

Should he show you he's wearing flag boxers?

Maybe just have a suit made in a flag design?

Or should he start calling people unamerican because they disagree with him and start talking more about killing all thos A-rabs over there. That does seem how one proves their patriotism to the Republican party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 04/25/2008

We have several problems illustrated here. (1) We have media ready and eager to put out instead of honest news, such disgusting distortions as we have been entertained with during this campaign. (And the failure of any real effort by any of the MSM proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that we no longer have the kind of media needed by a free democratic people.) (2) We have in my own white working class all too many too lazy to look for the truth. How many have read Obama's book that would put bittergate to rest? (The analysis in this book was published long before the twisted misreporting and spinning began!) And we also have far too many in my group whose self esteem depends on a bigotry all too satisfied with these scurilous "reports" to want the truth.

There is a truth that is being ignored here" seek the truth and the truth will make you free.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 04/25/2008

All these articles pondering why Obama cannot win working class whites. Here's a novel idea, ASK ONE.

Geez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 04/25/2008

"Mudcat" is Southernese for bullhead.

Nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 04/25/2008

Some conservative underhandedness allowed Hillary to define herself as the non trade candidate.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/03/05/canada-obama.html?ref=rss

The "bittergate" stereotype of rural whites was, at least, an attempt to understand & empathize with the white situation. The main point of Barack's talk was to say that the government is failing these folks economically.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 04/25/2008

Strange that a black man would stereotype the white working man after the years blacks have fought stereotyping of blacks. He only proved that he knows nothing about them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 04/25/2008

Except that he was right, even the article you're posting under agrees with the idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 04/25/2008

Barack does need some lessons in how to connect better with non-urban America. He needs to listen to Mudcat. Does he always need to be dressing so GQ? An occasional pair of jeans and a t-shirt would help a lot. For those of you who don't understand "small town" America, we would tell him to act more like a "regular" person. People in fancy suits usually mean trouble. The negative stereotypes of rural Americans on here on absolutely disgusting...Bubbas, rednecks etc. This total lack of any respect will guarantee a loss in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 04/25/2008

The majority of the Bubbas and rednecks will not be voting for either Hillary or Obama in November. I am not too worried about this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 04/25/2008

The bubbas in Pennsylvania are the Reagan democrats who will vote for Hillary Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 04/25/2008

Would this be the same Reagen democrats who did not vote for Bill Clinton in the 90's and have not voted for a democrat in years. The term Reagen democrats, came from this issue. They may have voted for Hillary in the primary as a vote against Obama, maybe, but will not vote for her in the general. You forget, there are a lot of bi-racial african americas, and our white relatives are very straight forward when they talk to us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 04/27/2008

I think my first suspicions of Obama started several months ago when he was in a store somewhere and didn't know what a hitch ball cover is. I don't know why I found that shocking, because not everyone DOES know that. If he'd been raised in New York city, I guess I wouldn't have expected him to know about things like that., because in an urban area it's not common knowledge. But he was raised in an environment where people have trucks and boats they tow with them and EVERYONE knows what a hitch ball and hitch ball cover are. Made me wonder just how in touch he is with the ordinary people he must have grown up around and the ordinary people he wants to vote for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 AM on 04/25/2008

What a crock of s...... ,sparkandy
My relatives come from East Texas and they know what's hauled behind pick-ups. Go spank it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 04/25/2008

Maybe he's never had to haul a boat or anything behind a truck?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 04/25/2008

This is how far we have advanced: Whether a man knows what a hitchball is determines his electablity. It is not a good measure of anything, but people vote based on this kind of thinking. No wonder we get what we get, and the people deserve the government they get. GWB appealed to the hitchball cover people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 04/25/2008

Vote for my Hitchball!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 04/25/2008

What a bunch of Obama partisans.I get sick just going over all the nonsenses of you "intelligent""educated",Obama supporters.Be sure,that rural white womens are more educated then the "getto" int