Decide in Denver; That's What Conventions Are For

Posted April 25, 2008 | 08:48 AM (EST)



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I have a crazy idea. What if Democrats actually use their convention as a convention instead of an infomercial?

Right now, Democrats are fretting over the Clinton-Obama race as if it were the death knell of their party and coming up with one crazy scheme after another to shut down the contest. First, we had supporters of Barack Obama like Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont call on his opponent to drop out. Never mind that no one this close in a race for the presidency has ever dropped out before and leaving aside the arrogance that dictates that someone should quit so you don't have to win. Even Obama himself said Hillary Clinton had every prerogative to stay in the race until the balloting was done.

Now you've got a few schools of thought. One is that superdelegates must rush to make a decision as soon as the last balloting finishes on June 3 in Montana and South Dakota. Tennessee Governor Phil Bresden has even proposed a convention of superdelegates so that they can all decide and tip the nomination two months before the Democrats are scheduled to meet in Denver, from August 25 to 28. Howard Dean has indicated that he'd like the superdelegates to decide quickly. That's very sporting coming from a chairman who has so screwed up the party's nominating system that two of the largest and most pivotal states in the general election, Michigan and Florida, won't have their delegates seated.

The feeling that's driving this get-it-done-now sentiment is that John McCain and the Republicans only gain from Democratic disunity. I agree that the ideal situation for the Democrats would be to unanimously rally around one candidate and train their fire on the presumptive Republican nominee. But that's not possible when you have a divided party. And the best place to unite a divided party is at a convention.

We've come to see conventions as four-day infomercials for the political parties but, of course, it wasn't always so. Until relatively recently, actual work got done at these conventions, and there was no prevailing ethos that the party would immolate itself if it didn't cook the books to get a nominee in advance.

In 1952, Dwight Eisenhower had to wrestle for the nomination at the Republican National Convention. He went on to win the general election in a landslide. As my mentor and onetime boss, Charles Peters, the founder and editor of the Washington Monthly, noted in his book, Five Days in Philadelphia, about the 1940 nomination of Wendell Willkie to be the Republican Party candidate against Franklin Roosevelt, the convention helped save the world. By beating back the isolationist wing of the party, Willkie gave Roosevelt the space to support Britain during its darkest hour. Without the convention, Peters argues, Roosevelt probably would not have been able to aid Britain, and the island nation could well have fallen to Germany. Yes, Willkie lost. But the convention was good for the country.

The stakes won't be as high in Denver, as the ideological differences between Clinton and Obama are minuscule. In all likelihood, if the fight between the presidential rivals and Senate colleagues goes on all summer, McCain probably will benefit—for a time. But once the party votes in Denver, in a transparent, massively televised event, there will be plenty of time for healing before the fall. What won't help the Democratic Party is forcing Clinton out or pressuring superdelegates to vote before they're ready.

We're still learning a lot about these candidates, especially Obama, who has not exactly been on the national scene for a long time. It may be that the months of June, July, and August will help the superdelegates come to the same conclusion as the pledged delegates—that Obama is the right person to lead the party. But the summer might turn up more doubts about Obama (just as the spring has), and better to let them come out now than in the fall. Either way, the place to resolve all of this is in Denver, and not in some smoke-filled room, but at a televised convention for all to see.

Exhaustion is a real factor driving this. I'm as eager as anyone to get this campaign over with. I know that my spouse, who, as I always note, works for Clinton, is as tired as everyone on the Obama campaign. No wonder top Obama aides were seen sporting T-shirts reading END THE DRAMA. VOTE OBAMA. Every Democrat wants a vacation. Tough.

If the ethos prevails that no real work can ever get done at a convention—that all must be decided and choreographed in advance—then we should really abolish conventions. They are fueled by taxpayer dollars that shouldn't go to a stage production. (We have Congress for that.) If no work can ever get done at a convention, then they are mere expense-account junkets for reporters and shows for the two parties to put on. All of the work at the convention could get done with software. Why waste everyone's time?

That's not what I believe. I think conventions matter and are good for the republic. Too bad so many Democrats want to emasculate one of the great political traditions we still have.

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This could be what happens, should the Clintons refuse to let go of their Florida/Michigan argument even after mediations.

My sense is that the greatest harm would be that the passions among the 49 percent disappointed Democrats will not have time to cool off, since those voters will be asked to vote for someone they've grown to detest ... just to protect the White House from McCain.

The dream of unity is a good one but it would only take one careless spoiler to refuse it.

Does anybody think that late August convention rage can turn into unity by Nov 5? Maybe that's enough time.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 04/27/2008

Nice try. If the race goes to the convention, the Dems will loose the general election. There simply won't be enough time to pull the party together. That in it self will take months to do. Half of people who voted for either the first black or women candidate are going to need time to resolve that their candidate lost.

Besides, all the gaffs that have happened on both sides in the last month are from campaign fatigue. I'm fatigued as well. I hope it's over next Tuesday. I really do. The longer it goes on the more damage is done to both candidates.

Clinton can not over take him as I previously stated. No way, no how. The rules are this is a deligate race, not pop vote, not most states won, not big states, not state's the have more than 4 sides. This was over after Texas which, Obama won more deligates.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 04/27/2008

Some of you reporters and pundants (and Clinton backers) seem to be so out of touch as to miss the point.

The Democratic Party is being divided along gender, age, and race lines because of this contest being drawn out and by the direction both candidates are taking the campaigning (especially, I'd argue, Senator Clinton BUT Senator Obama is, at the least, allowing himself and his campaign to be baited into similar tactics.)

Will Republicans do this and worse in the General? Maybe. Probably.

I don't care.

We want to think we are better than them and that they are so wrong for what they do - we lose all credibility, become hypocrites, when we adopt their tactics.

I don't know if the damage already done is repairable before November. I think probably not. I hope so.

All I know is that in 2007 I had Senator Clinton as about last on my list of Democratic Candidates I wanted (probably about equal with Richardson and Dodd (whom I knew little about) and just below Biden but well above Gravel (whom I find amusing and all, but really)) but would have voted for her in the general had she won, and fairly happily.
Now there is NO WAY I'm voting for her. Sorry. And that has ZERO to do with Barack and EVERYTHING to do with her Republican tactics.

And there are Hillary supporters who won't vote for Barack because of their undying support for her.

THAT'S the problem, Matt.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 04/25/2008

I used to think that the theory that Clinton wanted Obama to lose so she could run in 2012 was conspiracy thinking. Now I'm not so sure. Its hard to understand how her proxies could be arguing things like this otherwise. I will bet that regardless of the outcome of future primaries or super delegates Clinton is going to take this right to the convention and not give up until Obama has the nomination. But he will win it eventually. The math is irrefutable. He is going to end up with a significant delegate lead and most super delegates will not be stupid enough to overturn the will of the people, not to mention giving the nomination to someone who has proven to be such a pathetic leader as Clinton. Obama should start focusing on McCain now.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 04/25/2008

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP

MATHEMATICALLY (you know, that old concept where we count the wins and losses and whoever has the highest number wins? (aka respecting the will of the voters) HILLARY CANNOT WIN

THE ONLY WAY THAT SHILLARY CAN WIN IS TO DAMAGE OBAMA AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND THEN DISENFRANCHISE THE PEOPLE'S CHOICE WITH DESPICABLE SUPERDELEGATE SHENANIGANS

go back to flogging phony bushco/neocon lies like you did with the iraq "war"

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 04/25/2008

"MATHEMATICALLY (you know, that old concept where we count the wins and losses and whoever has the highest number wins? (aka respecting the will of the voters) HILLARY CANNOT WIN"

It's obvious that you know squat about how the nomination process works.

Hillary can win if Obama doesn't get the super delegate votes that will bring his total to the required 2024. And he may not get those votes if the supers suspect that he will lose in the general election.

Why don't you go to Wikipedia and find out for yourself what is required to actually win the nomination before you post rubbish like this about "respecting the will of the voters" and "whoever has the highest number wins"?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 04/25/2008

She cannot win. Are there scenarios we can devise where she would? Sure.

Now back in the reality on the ground - seriously, haven't we had enough of politicians who invent their own reality a la the Bush Admin -

He's got a pledged delegate lead she cannot close. He's got a popular vote lead she cannot close. He's got a number of states lead she cannot close. He's got a fundraising lead she cannot close.

She's got a shrinking super delegate lead that has gone from about 100 points a few months back to what it is now, a mere twenty-some and the trend has been trickling constantly his way - if she's basically lost super delegates since Super Tuesday and he's been consistently gaining them, what on Earth do you think is going to change this?

The spoken reason - yes, spoken, we've seen plenty of "anonymous" interviews with uncommited super delegates - why they aren't completely breaking for Senator Obama is that many of the younger politicians (newly elected) and supers are afraid of the backlash from Hillary's political machine.

That's great, isn't it? That Democratic Party members are afraid of doing what they think is right for fear of RETALIATION from within their own party?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 04/27/2008

spoken like a true clintonista - 'let the 850 superdelegates decide and to hell with the 50 million votes'

it is equally obvious that you know squat about fairness, ethics and integrity, having willingly ingested more than a sip of hillzilla's magic kool-aid

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 AM on 04/26/2008

Conventions... No Matt... that's what they used to be... long before your wife went to work for Clinton and you became a self-serving Clinton sleeper.

The Democratic Party needs more prep time than your scenario will allow, to unite and win this country back. There has been enough damage inflicted by the viciousness of Clinton... America deserves better.

We all know that you want a "group from behind the curtain" miracle for Clinton... to secure your future... and yet we also know that you understand how irrevocably destructive that would be for the party and the country. Try a little honesty.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 04/25/2008

"The Democratic Party needs more prep time than your scenario will allow, to unite..."

If it's possible to do so without pointing an accusing finger at one camp or the other, I wholly agree with you, burnt. Books will be written about this primary campaign, but we do not have the luxury of hindsight which those writers and Mr. Cooper will and do enjoy. We must have time "to unite" and a convention in August is just too late to heal. We must have time to refocus on our Republican adversary.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 04/25/2008

I think Matt's words speak for themselves. No need to carry on about his wife or his job. People can decide for themselves whether they agree with him or not.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 04/25/2008

I do NOT apologize for my response.

I wouldn't have felt that it was necessary to point a finger at Matt if he had prefaced this post with full disclosure. Clinton is one of the most self-serving individuals to come onto the stage in a very long while. Those around her tend to be cut of the same cloth in my opinion. We all know that the entire scenario of the Clinton campaign is now hinged upon taking the fight to the convention... what utter crap. If gives nothing of value to the Democratic Party nor the American electorate.

Hillary and Bill - putting the "nasty in Dynasty" since 1992

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 04/26/2008

It might be even better to wait until December. Then we will know for sure which one gets the most votes in the GE. We can nominate the one who loses by the smallest margin. Great idea.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 04/25/2008

Ha!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 04/27/2008

Hillary needs to fire some more people - especially whoever advised her to go out and claim the popular vote total lead yesterday using "Hillary math" (which means including one state where there was no campaign even conducted, including another state where she was the only candidate on the ballot, and excluding vote total estimates in 3 states where Obama won caucus contests but popular vote totals were not officially reported). This sort of argument harkens back to peoples' worst memories of the Clinton years - especially debating about what the definition of "is" is, and whether a BJ technically constitutes "sexual relations".

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 04/25/2008

Whatever his agenda, I agree with him. I know that Clinton is a junkyard dog. I need to see how Obama handles the tough stuff. They're in the ninth round of a fifteen round championship in my view.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 04/25/2008

No. They're in the last 30 seconds of the Super Bowl and Obama has a three touchdown lead.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 04/25/2008

His agenda is that he is married to Mandy Grundwall who works on Hillary's team in a top spot.

Remember her's and Penn's shouting match. over advertising. She has been with the Clintons since the first campaign. She is just another high paid hack and was always on TV during Bill impeachment.

Funny how all these Washington insider never change. It is like incest !!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 04/25/2008

Let's not talk about Matt Cooper's wife. Let's talk about Obama's pastor, his ex-best friend Kakugawa, and his close associate Tony Rezko instead. After all, Obama iskthe candidate -- isn't he -- whereas Cooper isn't running for anything.

I think Cooper makes an excellent case for taking this contest to the convention, no matter who his relatives are.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 04/25/2008

Wow, a clear-headed thinker on huffingtonpost. Matt, your thoughts are very refreshing. I've often watched conventions in past years & see them the same way, they become "info-mercials" after about 20 minutes flat!

To the poster who says Obama supporters would go ballistic if their candidate didn't get the nomination, get a hold of yourself, because what does that say about the supporters? Probably more than it says about Obama. More importantly, many posters forget to think how Clinton supporters will feel if she isn't the nominee after the media gave Obama a free ride the first twelve primaries, forcing Clinton into a defensive mode. Which she pops out of, thankfully, every time she has a victory in spite of all the nay-sayers, winning in all of the big states needed to clinch a nomination.
Lastly, whether the posters here are pro Obama or pro Hillary, we can all agree that a live convention deciding our candidate could be nothing but educational for everybody's kids and for all the Newbie voters who need a little educating in the political process.... Good column!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 04/25/2008

I favor letting the voters decide.

The voters, few of whom will appear at the convention, have voted overwhelmingly for Obama in primaries and caucuses all across the nation.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 04/25/2008

Even if you took away the superdelegates, saying that voters have voted overwhelmingly for Obama is a gross exaggeration of reality. While he is indeed winning, and would have almost claimed a majority over Clinton in the delegate count if you remove the supers, Obama is winning by the slimmest of margins. The democratic electorate is almost evenly split between Clinton and Obama, with Obama taking a slight seemingly insurmountable lead because of the delegate allocation process. The voters have hardly "voted overwhelmingly" for Obama.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 04/26/2008

If the vote had been "overwhelming", Obama would have enough delegates to claim the nomination without the Super Delegates. The problem is that the vote has not been "overwhelming" at all.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 04/25/2008

Let's just take a look back at where we started.

1st- Name recognition. Hillary 100%, Obama 0%
2nd- Amount in war chest. Hillary - over $1000000. Obama-0
3rd- How have they run their campaigns? Hillary - From the top down, with an air of inevitability that only got her to super tuesday when she ran out of money, which is when the kitchen sink strategy unfolded. Infighting within the campaign, Mark Penn leaving due to conflict of inerest, not being able to shut Bill up. OH, and let us not forget that thru all this, she hasn't been gaing much new support from "The People". Winding up in the red.

Obama - From the ground up grass roots movement, anywhere from 30 to 50 million a month in small individual donations, almost 1.5 million new supporters and counting. And most important. A message of Hope for Peace and Unity in the world!
Not just Fight-Fight-Fight!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 04/25/2008

Actually, if you take away the Superdelegates, Obama wins a clear delegate majority--an insurmountable one.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 04/25/2008

He doesn't have a majority (go look up up "majority" before you use that word again, please). He has a small plurality. And the rules require him to have 2024 votes -- which he has not managed to get, in spite of all of his wonderfulness.

If you took away the super delegates, Obama still would not have 2024 votes, which is what he needs to be the nominee. The supers are what enable candidates who have not reached the magic number by convention time to do so.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 04/25/2008

2024 votes are required because of the superdelegates. take away the superdelegates, and the threshold changes.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 04/25/2008

But you can't take away the super delegates. They are an integral part of the process.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 04/25/2008

Um, if we took away the Superdelegates, the nomination threshold would be lower than 2024 delegates.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 04/25/2008

This is NeoCon POV. There are obvious reasons Matt Cooper would prefer the in-fighting to continue.

Matt Cooper testified to a Grand Jury in July, 2005 that Karl Rove was the source, confirmed by Rove's attorney, of Valerie Plame's occupation as an agent of the CIA.

From his own article in Time magazine, July 25, 2005:
"Was it through my conversation with Rove that I learned for the first time that Wilson's wife worked at the CIA and may have been responsible for sending him? Yes. Did Rove say that she worked at the "agency" on "WMD"? Yes. When he said things would be declassified soon, was that itself impermissible? I don't know. Is any of this a crime? Beats me. At this point, I'm as curious as anyone else to see what Patrick Fitzgerald has."

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/25/2008

"This is NeoCon POV. There are obvious reasons Matt Cooper would prefer the in-fighting to continue."

How is being in favor of the process being conducted according to the same rules that have always been used a "NeoCon POV?"

The in-fighting will continue because there are two competing candidates. And there's nothing unusual or "bad" about that.

What would be very bad indeed would be to cut the process off before it has been completed in order to favor one candidate or another. It would damage the party for generations to come.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 04/25/2008

The "process" IS being conducted. It ends on June 3. The remaining superdelegates can do what they want, which is part of the process. If they've decided, why should they wait nearly three months to make their choices known? It's ridiculous. Obama is going to be the presumptive nominee and when he gains the commitments of 2025+ delegates, which he will shortly after June 3. He;ll then be campaigning all summer and raising money for the battle against McCain.

What "infighting" will Hillary do? Once all the delegates have made their choices known (by June 34 at the latest) and Obama has defeated her, will she continue to babble on about "not giving up?" What will she do at the convention? Pelosi will hold the gavel and Obama's delegates will control all the committees (every state gets three committee members on the rules and credentials committees; who won the most states? oh, yeah...THAT's why it was important to win all those little no-account caucus states like Kansas and Iowa).

This palaver about "going to the convention" is just masturbatory fantasizing by Clintonites. Enjoy yourself!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 04/25/2008

The "process" IS being conducted. It ends on June 3.

No. The process ends at the convention.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 04/25/2008

Since Rush Limbaugh has incited Republicans to riot, I emailed the Colorado AG office encouraging him to look at bringing felony charges against Limbaugh.

If the AG doesn"t bring charges, I think the Democratic party should move the convention to another city. It"s not too late; Minneapolis is already set up for one convention. Or how about New Orleans?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 04/25/2008

Why don't you contact the FBI and report all of the Obama supporters who are threatening to riot if Mister Wonderful fails to win the nomination?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 04/25/2008