In response to all those cops who "Fear for their Lives"
Yoda (yes, that Yoda), said it best.
Fear leads to Anger,
Anger leads to Hatred,
Hatred leads to Suffering...
I sense much fear in You.
I grew up in Miami in the 80's, which means that I lived through three major race riots before I was 20-years-old. All were the result of police either killing black men or being acquitted of killing black men. The largest of the three, the 1980 Liberty City riot, left 18 people dead -- ironically, yet not surprisingly, 8 whites and 10 blacks. The chaos it produced in the streets was almost impossible to describe: buildings were burned; businesses were looted; snipers fired at cars driving along I-95; the National Guard was called in; the situation was so frightening at one point that according to Miami Herald reporter Edna Buchanan, the staff of the paper, holed up in their downtown offices, raided the cafeteria and poured cooking oil down the building's loading ramp to prevent rioters from getting to the rear entrance.
Liberty City remained the most notable race riot in modern history, until April of 1992 -- when Los Angeles exploded.
By now, everyone knows the story: Four white L.A. cops were captured on video beating Rodney King, yet were acquitted by a jury made up of whites, a Latino and an Asian. For six days following the verdict, Los Angeles burned. When it was all over, 53 people were dead.
I was 22-years-old and had been in TV news only a couple of months when it happened. It would be another few years before I moved to Los Angeles, but to watch it go up in flames -- this place which even at the time represented a kind of personal manifest destiny for me -- was heartbreaking, particularly after having lived through Miami's calamitous recent past. I wasn't sure what to make of the verdict; it seemed almost incomprehensible to most who watched the videotape of the King beating that those wielding the batons and Taser could be found not guilty. I was among that group; I remember reacting with outrage at what seemed to be an unmitigated injustice. Although not willing to give anyone a pass for torching half a city and savagely attacking the innocent, I could understand the anger felt by many of those who took to the streets. Under then-Police Chief Daryl Gates, the LAPD had metastasized into a cold, brutish machine -- one which seemed to function more as the armed enforcers of a dictatorial state than a community police force whose job it was to protect and serve. The force as a whole inspired more fear than respect, and as far as anyone could tell, Gates was just fine with that. In the wake of the verdict, I had quite a few lengthy conversations about this subject with my father, who happened to be a veteran of the Miami-Dade Police Department.
My father's take on the acquittal in Los Angeles was unconscionable to me at the time, though not surprising given his background: He felt that despite the inflammatory nature of the videotape evidence, it didn't really prove a thing. As an ex-cop, he was of course approaching it from the standpoint that no one can know exactly what it's like to be a police officer dealing with an explosive, potentially life-threatening situation. Yes, the tape seemed to show a submissive and subdued Rodney King being viciously clubbed for no justifiable reason, but there was more to what was happening than the snapshot of the overall incident that had been captured on video. (In fact, there was even more footage on the tape itself, which the public never saw but the jury did.) Knowing what most cops have to endure on a daily basis and what can go through the mind of even the best-trained officer in a moment of extreme stress, my father was willing to give the King cops the benefit of the doubt and demand more information before rendering judgment.
Looking back on it, he was right -- not because he wanted to give the police a pass, but because he wanted to see and hear all the facts in the case before making a decision as to guilt or innocence.
Needless to say, I'm thinking quite a bit about this right now -- after the acquittal in the shooting of Sean Bell.
I won't rehash the case too deeply; you likely know the details: Bell was shot outside a strip club in Queens, New York on November 25th of 2006; plainclothes cops fired 50 rounds at his car, killing him and wounding his two passengers. At the time, even Mayor Mike Bloomberg said it sounded like excessive force was used -- but today, a judge has ruled otherwise. To those in the black community, it feels like another stunning betrayal -- a case of killers in blue blithely executing a black man then escaping punishment, proving once again that police are above the very laws they purport to uphold. Although there's calm in the streets at the moment, the usual instigators -- and by that, I mean Al Sharpton -- will most certainly soon be forcing their indignant faces in front of any camera they can find, decrying the failure of the system and the insignificance of a black life in the eyes of the law. To some extent, they'll be correct, regardless of the true, self-serving agendas behind their personal proclamations -- but I can't help thinking that, as with Rodney King, we don't know all the facts in the case other than the most incendiary of them: that 50 bullets were fired at Bell. Admittedly, that alone is enough to make me seriously question the validity of the shoot, but it's not enough to convict on its own. More evidence is needed, and I would have to hope that, before issuing his verdict, the judge saw and considered the facts that the public either wasn't aware of or refused to take into account.
Were the cops who gunned down Sean Bell truly guilty of exercising unnecessarily brutal force? Are police in general expected to meet only a paltry standard when it comes to taking deadly action?
It may seem so at this point, after all we've seen.
But that doesn't necessarily make it so.
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In response to all those cops who "Fear for their Lives"
Yoda (yes, that Yoda), said it best.
Fear leads to Anger,
Anger leads to Hatred,
Hatred leads to Suffering...
I sense much fear in You.
Indelibly impressed in my memory is an incident that took place in Minneapolis in 1996. A young black man was shot in the leg by another black man behind the building where I lived. I walked across the parking lot and spoke to one of the dozen or so white uniformed policemen who were occupied walking around looking for empty casings while the paramedics, wearing latex gloves, were idly and obliviously discussing romantic liasons. The victim was lying on the ground, in shock, moaning, and there was one white policeman standing over him shouting at him "who shot you?" over and over. In all this "chaos" there was a girl, crying and screaming hysterically that she had seen the shooter. I asked the policeman next to me why nobody was listening to her and what had happened. His answer was, and I swear these were his exact words, ".. just a nigger shooting another nigger". Never could happen in NYC though because police have training in how to deal with their racism.
It is extremely difficult to be objective in this case when the NYPD has a hideous track record of killing black men, accidentally or not. I really, really try to give officers the benefit of the doubt when they are in complex, dangerous situations, but I just can't understand how ambushing a car with 50 bullets is justifiable. This isn't 1935 Oklahoma, and the occupants of the car were not Bonnie and Clyde. This was a party that may have gotten a little out of hand in a crowded area. At the very least, these officers should be relieved of their duty. They have proven they are ineffective to carry out their responsibilites. While I am angry about what happened, I feel mostly sad. Sad for the Bell family, and sad that yet another young man has died from violence.
Mr. Pazienza...
I agree with you.
I agree there are often facts the public isn't aware of in cases involving police and their use of force. Beyond that, I believe, if rationally questioned, many currently outraged by this verdict would agree (sometimes reluctantly) that the police have a difficult job and deserve latitude in most situations.
The problem for me (and other reasonable people) is that the police rarely admit their complicity. They, instead, hide behind the "Blue Wall" and passively suggest there are NEVER occasions where they are wrong. I would be more sympathetic if there was SOMETHING: "Hey, I was terrified." Or: "In MY mind every black male is a criminal!" as ridiculous as it sounds.
You reference the conversation with your Father, and I think it is an example of unintentional bias. You trust your Dad, and through your experiences with him are more likely to take his word for things you believe he has more experience with than you do.
Makes perfect sense.
My Father isn't a cop, so our backgrounds alone are enough to see topics like the police and their use (and abuse) of authority very differently.
It's like you say (and many have alluded to in response) your Father knows more than you (and me) about police culture...but that alone doesn't make him any more knowledgeable about THIS situation than anyone else not directly involved.
He may have some very pertinent opinions, but those alone don't "necessarily make it so"!
3 armed plainclothes/undercover cops,
3 UNARMED young men,
0 police ID/ warning,
46 bullets/ 31 fired (reloaded) by 1 cop,
1 dead,
2 injured,
0 guilty verdict,
1 judge, with an agenda?
0 reasonable rationale, ie evidence
1 Federal investigation,
1 CAN ONLY HOPE!
0 HOPE, if not...
1, YOU could be next!
GOOGOL angst and shame...
NOTHING else to say!
One question remains unanswered in this tragedy. Why does Bloomberg use his police officers to catch prostitutes? How about using them to catch murderers and other real criminals?
OK, let's dispell some myths. First Bell was not the only one at the receiving end of those 50 bullets, the other two were wounded, but not fatally, Bell was.
Secondly the cops were not in blue, they were undercover, and looked like any hood with guns.
Thirdly, those cops, although they were supposedly trained professionals, failed miserably and commited dereliction of duty. A lot of responsibility comes with wearing a gun, and it requires utmost self-control. Yet, one of the cops freaked out and opened fire, the rest chorused.
The racial bias is also apparent. It's not hard for me to believe that those cops would have shown more restraint if there were three white people in that car. Cops and most people have been conditionned to think that black = dangerous criminal. They would shoot a black man without hesitation in a situation where an armed white man would be given the benefit of doubt until he actually fires.
Once again, people are forming their opinions before they have all the facts, and many posts here prove that point. The who cop emptied, reloaded, and emptied his gun again WAS under fire...but it was the crossfire from other officers. Do you think you could tell whether bullets whizzing by your head were fired by suspects or other officers? And there were not over 50 bullets in Sean, there were 51 bullets fired.I know that still seems excessive, but there is a difference. Why does it happen more often to black men? Because black men generally have a much higher level of distrust for the police, and are less likely to comply. In most other countries if you do not stop when a policeman orders you to do so, he has every right to shoot you in the back. And everyone gets profiled by the police, not just blacks. Do you think that white meth addicts don't get profiled by the cops?
Take the advice that Chez took from his father...you cannot form an honest opinion from what you see on TV, and you can never know how you might react if you were a cop in that same situation. And understand that even a video tape does not give you a complete picture of what's going on. Did the police overreact? Obviously. But you must remember that if these men had complied with the orders from the police, then none of this would have happened.
and one cannot form an opinion while reading this kind of BS.
have you ever been abroad?
you said:
"In most other countries if you do not stop when a policeman orders you to do so, he has every right to shoot you in the back."
which places ar you talking about? brasil? china? north korea?
i live in europe, and overhere a cop needs an absolutely good and undoubtful reason to fire his gun. a suspect showing a gun without firing is not an excuse for a police officer to fire. cops using guns too easy go through jurisdicial hell in civilized countries.
in the case u describe (just because the suspect does not stop after being told so) he would find himself in prison quicker than you can spread your narrow minded opinion.
well, i guess, most of u americans relying to the BS 2nd ammendment will never understand that you have so much people killed just because of that special "civil right" to carry around guns like the cowboys did in the wild west.
did you know that in great britain for example uniformed cops DONT EVEN HAVE A GUN?
Really? Brasil, China, North Korea? Those are the three countries you thread together?
One of these things is not like the others...
Police don't have the right to shoot you in the back, if you fail to stop because they say so. Maybe there is a reason black males are distrustful of police. Being on the receiving end of police harrasment and brutality, tends to to that to people. White people, and I assume you are white, don't get treated by cops the same way that black people do. All you have to do is watch "COPS", to see that. There isn't more a racist tv show on the air today, then "COPS".
Did you know these cops were undercover and did not have their uniforms on? They easily could have passed for hoods who got unhappy about Bell and his friends in the club and came to finish them off. You don't know an undercover cop from a thug, not in NYC. And anyone here can buy a badge for $20 in Chinatown.
These cops were supposed to be trained professionals. They did not act as such. They acted no different than a scared armed thug would have. They are trained to be better than that.
But then again the danger that they could be shot is very real. Yet, there's no doubt in my mind that if the guys in the car where suspected armed and dangerous white males, these cops would have used more restraint and would have *returned* fire.
The detectives' defense depended on the notion that they identified themselves as officers, ordered Bell and his companions to surrender, and reacted when Bell tried to drive away.
But the lieutenant in charge of the operation testified that he never heard his companions ID themselves, and the first outside officers to arrive on the scene testified that they didn't see the detectives wearing badges. Cooperman gave no indication the inconsistencies mattered.
Cooperman also skipped any mention of whether the level of deadly force applied - dozens of shots fired at unarmed men who committed no crime - made any difference.
Maybe you and your dad should look that THOSE facts......Moron.
Really, we should get rid of judges altogether. What's the point, when all you have to do is watch TV to tell if someone's guilty or not?
Well, how about a little context to see whether the acquittal is reasonable.
Remember a few years ago when they acquitted the cops who fired 41 bullets into Amadou Diallo's body for the crime of being black and studying biochemistry? Or when they actually convicted a cop for jamming a broken broomstick up Abner Louima's ass, but not the rest of the bastards who claimed they didn't hear a thing, even though Louima's screams were probably audible in Antarctica?
That's why this acquittal stinks to high heaven. If Sean Bell was white, he'd be alive today, and anybody who says different is living in a dream world.
Surly you don"t meant that the officers shot him because he is black. After all two of the officers involved were black themselves. And it would not be reasonable to judge these officers by the conduct of others.
I hate to inform you of something new, but...
Police Officers are not Black, or White, or Brown, or Yellow... They are BLUE.
I am a Marine combat veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom, and Al Nasiriyah, Tikrit, and Baghdad were not free fire zones. My Company commander would have sent me to Kuwait for 48hrs if I had behaved like these officers; especially the one who EMPTYIED 2 CLIPS into a car. BTW, he was not recieving fire friendly fire. Also If you run from a police officer anywhere in THIS country he cannot shoot you in the back unless you show yourself to be a threat.
Thank you, sir, for getting it (and for your service).
But the cops did not see Bell and say "there is a black guy lets shoot him." That would make no sense at all. I think it is clear that the officers had a fear for their own safety. It makes no sense otherwise. If your point is that the fear the cops had was influenced by color that is a different and more profound question. So is think you should be more precise in actually what you mean.
That doesn't necessessarily make it not so, either.
When white, asian, and latino/a citizens start showing their outrage over cases like Bell's, riots will be obsolete. How can the rest of us not be outraged? Just do the requisite thought experiment: imagine this was a white bridegroom, a white bachelor party out at a club late at night--here in New York City, an Irish bridegroom, a Vietnamese bridegroom, an Italian bachelor party, a Puerto Rican bridegroom, a Korean party. Or imagine it's your bachelor party, or that of your brother, or uncle, or friend--out at a club late at night having a good time before a big event and some police officers decide your situation doesn't look right and they pump that many bullets into you and your party and they do this do this with impunity. Most, not all of us, outside the African-American community would find this unimaginable. This failure of imagination, and the failure of feeling that so frequently comes with it, is standing between us and putting a stop to these kinds of incidents.
You know, I also thought about the Liberty City riots (I grew up in Miami, too, albeit in Coconut Grove) and remember the massive backlash the Rodney King acquittals brought out of the black community. But as much as people may want to play the race card here, I don't think it will be very effective this time. This wasn't a case where the aggressors were almost all white (or, more accurately, all non-black).
If Isnora and Cooper had been white, however, I think the verdict would have brought about a very different reaction.
50 bullets... one cop reloaded and emptied again, even though not under fire. whatever the other evidence was, it had better be really good.
The point is, more than 50 bullets in Sean, right? How many altogether? What's to discuss?
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