Interesting story in the Detroit News this week by political analyst Susan J. Demas discussing how Clinton might quietly pick up 50 delagates votes in Michigan.
"While all eyes were locked on Pennsylvania for the last six weeks, Clinton was quietly amassing delegates in the Wolverine State. And she was rewarded this past weekend with a significant victory at the district conventions.
This development naturally has been overshadowed by her big win Tuesday night in Pennsylvania..... because the real fight is over delegates. And Michigan remains a key battleground.
On Aug. 25, Clinton will march into the national convention in Denver stronger than most people realize, thanks to her aggressive ground game in Michigan.
Buoyed by party elder support, Clinton seems likely to capture more than 60 percent of the state's 128 pledged delegates, according to an analysis by the Michigan Information & Research Service. Including the 28 superdelegates, which lean heavily in the New York senator's favor, she could win upward of 70 percent of delegates, provided that they're seated with full voting power.
That depends on the Democratic National Committee,... There is no deal yet to seat the delegation... Clinton won 55 percent to uncommitted's 40 percent since Obama wasn't on the ballot. He has pushed for a 50-50 percent delegate split, but that proposal hasn't gained traction.
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As a Michigan voter, who didn't vote because my candidate at the time (Edwards) wasnt on the ballot, I will be furious if Hillary gets those delegates seated without a redo.
You don't tell voters that their votes won't be counted, have 2 of the 3 main candidates remove their name from the ballot and then go back and count the election months later. That's not democracy.
Ah, they both took their own names off. They took their names off to kiss butt with another state. You do know that right. And why did so many of your felllow MI voters go to the polls?
And Hillary has been trying week after week for a redo. But Obama and his team of lawyers have stopped the revote in MI and FL every single time. Call his camp. and tell them that is what you want. They will be counted on way or another. You should be happy that MI is being counted.
They can't retake the vote because there were Dems who voted in the republican primary. They'd have to redo the republican primary in order to allow all the Dems to buck up and vote again. That's why a revote is not feasible - only a percentage of the Dems wouldn't be allowed to count. So how about you make the call... dial 555-bitemee and sound off.
Ah yes. The only way Obama can win, disenfranchise about 3 million democratic voters. Hey, can you do that in the general election? And those voters are going to vote for him? Or will they return the favor? You guys sure know how to win an election.
Please explain, just why did those Dems vote in the republican primary ???
so why should they be given a chance to vote again - since they crossed over to the republicain party. Do these Obambots think this is some kind of game?
Sorry I don't see you logic for not having a retake
Everyone is missing the obvious. The DNC has a game plan to address the Michigan and Florida situation that will not impact the race one bit.
Here is the plan. Once Obama gets 2024 delegates to make himself the nominee, including the 100 superdelegates he will need after the primaries are over, there will still be about 170 undeclared superdelegates left on the table. This is more than enough to offset any gains Clinton wins from seating Florida and MIchigan.
So even if Hillary nets a 100 delegates from seating Florida and Michigan, guess what? 100 more superdelegates will offset those gains. One does not need to get Clinton to agree to a 50/50 split with delegates from Florida and Michigan ... one can create a 50/50 split using the remaining undeclared superdelegates.
Don't believe the media crap about taking this to the convention. The superdelegates did the Clintons the favor of waiting until after Pennsylvania and now they are just waiting for Obama to win another state to start declaring ... This race is over, my friends.
.....Well you know.....my opponent.....won the most states, the most delegate, the most votes, he can't win. he's still "unelectable" he's black dam it.....and i am white, i am women and i am your girl. therefore you should and must throw this election to me. Eventhough i haven't earned it. That the way it has always been in america. I don't have to earn it. i am white remember. and if you don't you are ....too liberal and you are a judas.
Excuse me they are all politicians " even though some may say that theirs is a new kind of politics. For example, say they did not hear Rev. Writes comments then saying that they spoke up against them. They do not take money from oil companies and lobbies when they have. Making disparaging remarks behind closed doors in San Fran billionaire group (to raise money) about middle class Americans ¦..
Face it they all bend the truth to suit them " we get in trouble when we sanctify politicians - we see that happening in a lot of countries around the world.
Spastic cries from the Clinton Cult's echo chamber. The fundraiser in San Francisco was not a "billionaire group", though Bill Clinton has made fraternizing with "billionaire groups" his favorite post-presidential past time. Why is it every time a Clinton supporter posts here, they insist on blatantly validating Clinton's strength among the *less educated*?
I LIVE IN MICHIGAN.THE BACKLASH AGAINST ALL THE CLINTON BULLSHIT HAS BEEN HUGE.IN THIS STATE. IN THE HEAD TO HEAD MATCH UP HILLARY LOSES TO MCCAIN BY 11 POINTS!
Rigging? HAH, HAH,HAH,HAH,HAH..... Tell your GOD not to be so dumb next time and take his own name off the ballot. What am I saying? There will be no next time.
It would be just like the Clintons to do something that calculating and predictable, but in all honesty, I don't think the party elders will nominate the candidate that finishes in second place.
She is in first place. And Harold is a nice guy and he did a good in Congress. But he is very young. He couldn't step in as President I don't believe. But in another Post would be a great idea.
I thought, even if Michigan delegates were seated, they couldn't vote, they could just sit.
If their votes were disenfranchised because of the rules being broken, they cannot have their votes counted. They should not have their votes counted because they broke the rules. Of course, Hillary Clinton aka "the first lady who tried to cover up her husband's sexual indescretions so she could get a shot at the presidency," seems to refuse to accept that rule, which makes her unacceptable as the nominee, even if she could get qualified for it, which she cannot, unless the superdelagates take the nomination from the winner, Barack Obama.
It is her personality to break rules, and the people supporting her either cannot see the failing in someone who cheats, or will not see it. These supporters are also lacking in the ethics department. I wonder, do Hillary's supporters teach their children to win even if you have to lie, steal or cheat? Did Hillary's supporters learn from their parents that it was okay to lie, steal or cheat to get what they wanted?
Your line of thinking: gave us 1972 George McGovern, 1980 Ted Kennedy killed Carters chances of reelection, 1984 gave us Walter Mondale, 1988 Mike Dukakis, 1992 thank God for Ross Perot giving us Bill Clinton as president,1996 the republicans played by your rules with Dole, 2000 the loony left Gore/Bush no difference(after 7 1/2 years of a Nero running America can you see the difference now) 2004 we picked a flawed candidate who wouldn't fight back. (How hard would it have been for Kerry to look GWB in the eyes and say. What does a chicken hawk no about war, maybe if you didn't use your family's stroke and actually fought in a war you supported George. We might not be in IRAQ.) 2008 we pick a candidate that hasn't shown the ability to win the elderly, White working class voters or Latinos or Asians.
Obama has similar demographics to Kerry's 91% black, 45% but Obama's getting fewer latinos and asian votes. So, you leftist need to stop ignoring a huge problem. White working class voter that are moderate and swing between parties. Even if a small portion of Clinton's supporters defect McCain for 4 years.
Exactly tedbear. I don't want my children growing to believe that have to do whatever it takes to win, including lieing, cheating, stealing and breaking the rules. Why people don't see that is beyond me. I'm no miss goody two shoes, but for my money, Michelle and Barack Obama are the kind of role models we need for our youth in America.
How many things do the Obamas have to do to wake you out of your cult coma?
The Obamas are down right dirty cons. They say and do anything to get into the WH.
WAKE UP!
The Clintons are good people who have done a he!! of allot more for America than the Obamas who are anti-American, racists and liars. The Clintons have been lied about and spit on. But what do you care?
But what do you care if the Obamas lie, cheat and steal their way into the WH?
Enjoy your cult coma. Us Hillary voters will handle this.
40% percent said "not even if she's the only name on the ballot" and a number of other voters didn't vote at all. Then there's the few that said I will vote for someone who's not even in my party's primary rather than stay a Democrat and vote for her. I can see that happening all over the country in November...
Yes, the Iowa voters... the one who have delegates that actually count this year... so stupid to have agreed to the loss of delegate votes and to not campaign in the states, and then NOT spent time there currying favors.
The more hopeless your cause becomes, the more deranged, infantile, and, though I thought it impossible, more illogical you hillary-hounds become. Incredible. Face it, a woman will be president one day - just not THIS one...
Obama's name wasn't on the ballot because he took it off. Why would he do that in Michigan and not Florida. Could it be he knew Clinton would beat him.
None of the candidates had their names taken off the Florida ballot because the deadline for doing so had passed by the time Florida was penalized by the Democratic Party for moving their primary.
In Michigan, all of the candidates except Hillary (and I think Kucinich) had their names removed from the ballot. Mostly they did it to pander to Iowa and New Hampshire voters. Hillary was never quite clear as to why she left her name on the ballot, despite having signed an agreement that she would not take part in the Michigan primary.
Here are the facts:
Kucinich, Gravel, and Dodd were also on the ballot. Edwards and Obama voters were heavily encouraged to vote "uncommitted" to embarass Clinton. She garnered 55% of the vote, to uncommitted's 40%. Kucinich got 5% of the vote. Certain progressive websites encouraged Democrats to vote in the Republican primary to embarass Romney.
Clinton said the following: "... I just personally did not want to set up a situation where the Republicans are going to be campaigning between now and whenever, and then after the nomination, we have to go in and repair the damage to be ready to win Michigan in 2008." And: "I did not believe it was fair to just say, 'Goodbye Michigan' and not take into account the fact we're going to have to win Michigan if we're going to be in the White House in January 2009,"
She saw the potential nightmare that is losing Michigan in November to John McCain.
Obama should not be able to benefit from his own strategic error. The voters should be honored. Do we really want to tell Michigan voters that their votes are meaningless?
People who didn't vote, or voted Republican to mess with their primary don't deserve the same consideration as those people who voted in the Democratic primary.
Our goal is to beat John McCain. Let's not hand Michigan to him on a silver platter.
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