Clinton Challenges Obama To Debate Without A Moderator, Lincoln-Douglas Style

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MIKE GLOVER and SARA KUGLER | April 26, 2008 08:08 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., holds up a bat she received as a gift during a rally at the Cove Ballpark in South Bend, Ind. Saturday, April 26, 2008. Former Congressman John Brademus applauds at left. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

MARION, Ind. — Democratic rivals Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton turned up the rhetoric Saturday in their increasingly heated primary battle as she issued a new debate challenge and he complained of a race that's largely been reduced to trivia while working families feel economic pain.

Clinton took the debate dispute to a new level, challenging Obama to face off with her in a debate without a moderator, Lincoln-Douglas style.

"Just the two of us, going for 90 minutes, asking and answering questions, we'll set whatever rules seem fair," Clinton said while campaigning in South Bend.

Her campaign made the offer formal with a letter to the Obama campaign.

Obama aides said he had already debated Clinton 21 times, "the most in primary history."

"Over the next 10 days we believe it's important to talk directly to the voters of Indiana and North Carolina," said Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs.

The more open style of debating where each side presents an argument gets its name from the famed debates that took place during the 1858 U.S. Senate race in Illinois between Republican Abraham Lincoln and Democrat Stephen Douglas.

Trailing in delegates and the popular vote, Clinton has been stepping up the pressure on Obama for more debates in advance of primaries on May 6 in Indiana and North Carolina. Clinton argued that Obama won't debate because he's unhappy with questions from moderators during the April 16 debate just before the Pennsylvania primary. After that debate, Obama complained it focused too much on political trivia and too little on real issues.

On the campaign trail Saturday, he sounded much the same theme.

"I was convinced that the American people were tired of the politics that's all about tearing each other down. The American people were tired of spin and PR, they wanted straight talk and honesty from their elected officials," Obama said at a town hall meeting in the aging industrial city of Anderson.

"If you watched the last few weeks of this campaign, you'd think that all politics is about is negative ads and bickering and arguing, gaffes and sideline issues," said Obama. "There's no serious discussion about how to bring jobs back, to Anderson."

Both rivals were focusing on Indiana, with Clinton bringing along popular Sen. Evan Bayh and talking about reviving the industrial economy.

"We can do that again, but we need, as Senator Bayh said, a president who doesn't just talk about it but who actually rolls up her sleeves and gets to work," said Clinton.

The two Democratic candidates were stumping in the heart of Republican territory, and Obama sought to reach across party lines, saying he's struggled to avoid the back-and-forth bickering of the campaign, and talk about issues like plant closings that have damaged cities like Anderson.

"I've been trying to resist that in this campaign and I will continue to resist it when I'm president of the United States," said Obama.

Clinton campaigned in eastern Indiana industrial pockets, seeking to build a coalition of working-class voters similar to the one that served her well in neighboring Ohio.

While the upcoming primaries in Indiana and North Carolina are crucial to her candidacy, but Clinton deflected questions about how she would handle a loss.

"I don't make predictions or speculate on things that haven't happened yet," said Clinton.

Obama is favored in North Carolina, but the polls have shown the race in Indiana far too close to call.

With no end in sight soon for the Democratic contest, Obama sought to ease worries that the intraparty fight will leave the party vulnerable in November.

"Everybody is kind of nervous about this Democratic primary, it's been going on a long time," said Obama. "I have my differences with Senator Clinton and she has her differences with me. We will be united in November and beat John McCain and the Republicans."

Obama also underscored his differences with McCain, the certain GOP nominee.

"John McCain says he's different, but when you look at his policies he's got no agenda for you, how to make you a little more successful," Obama told his heavily blue-collar audience. "We know in our hearts that this country is not going down the right track. Something needs to change right now and that's what's at stake in this election."

In Anderson, Obama noted that McCain has switched views on issues like tax cuts for the rich to curry favor with the GOP base. "The straight talk express lost a wheel," said Obama.

McCain's campaign was quick to respond. "This again shows that Barack Obama doesn't understand the economy. Americans are looking for proof that the next president is going to be someone who understands their needs," McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said in a statement.

While Clinton was busy campaigning in the Hoosier state, husband Bill was looking ahead to Oregon's Democratic primary on May 20. The former president was in his second day of a swing around Oregon, stopping Saturday in the small towns that dot the Willamette Valley before winding up in Portland on Saturday night.

In Albany, Ore., he outlined his wife's plans for energy independence, and highlighted her vote against a Bush administration bill that gave final say over the siting of liquefied natural gas terminals to the federal government, instead of the states. Several such terminals are under consideration now in Oregon.

He also promised the crowd that if elected, the former first lady would restore federal payments to timber dependent counties.

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Sara Kugler reported from South Bend, Ind.

 
 

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Why don't we go back to The League of Women voters moderating?

Or Obama should agree but only if Clinton wears a lie detector?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 04/28/2008

If you can swallow this.....
If you can justify this....
If you can live with this.....
Then go ahead and vote for the Neocon in a donkey-suit.
How blatant does it have to be before you see the truth.
AND---I am NOT a table-slamming Obama fan.
He is simply the better alternative to Hillary AND Bill's much much more of the same slide into quicksand

http://hillaryclintonrevealed.net/hillary_clinton_dubai.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 04/28/2008

WOW! I can't wait to see how her supporters ATTEMPT to S * P * I * N this one... probably like a T * O * P !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 04/28/2008

Obama is the front runner. Hillary is the challenger.

So who needs the debate? The loser does!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 04/28/2008

Like OBama is ever going to agree to that style of debate with Hillary. He couldn't even handle any of the debates, even those where he was ass kissed and giving a free pass for 90 minutes from the commentators.

It wasn't until the ABC news debate, where the heat was put on him for the first time, that everyone who supports him, himself, his supporters, the MSNBC media, decided it was time to stop the debates, because precious Obama had to sweat a little.

Poor Obama. It just wasn't fair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 04/27/2008

Heat, heat, you call that heat, any one associated with ABC "news" and the so called debate "moderators", they couldn't generate enough "heat" to light a can of sterno between them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 04/28/2008

NO.. poor Hillary. She's LOST! And my 9-year old niece could have been more successful running her campaign.

She had better dip into some of her $109 million to replenish her campaign funds and stop worrying about a 22nd debate to gain free airtime simply because she can't afford it!

FACE IT! SHE IS THROUGH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 04/28/2008

First of all anything that lends credence to this sham trumped up media event called "Hillary's desperate fight for the nomination" by who else - the "media" is a bogus event. An event that so closely mimicks the scum Rove and his tactics of divide and conquer that the intent is transparent to everyone not blindly sipping the koolaid. The die is cast everyone knows and respects this, thats why McCain is ramping up the attacks on Obama. As is the media and Hillary just aids and abets this act. Their worst fear has been realized. Thats why Rush said "...if we have to run against Obama, we're doomed".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 04/27/2008

Some people sound so ignorant when they say things like, "he is afraid to debate her".

He wasn't afraid to debate her 21 times, and now, all of a sudden, the BOOGY MONSTER is scaring him into not debating her.

She just wants and needs the free publicity. Why don't she debate, with the people running her campaign, as to why they are in a sad state of dismay!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 04/27/2008

21 times with moderators. His campaign complained he couldn't address the issues important to him. Clinton has a solution. He refuses. He is just feeding the perception that he can't stand up for himself.

He needs to learn to live in the world as it is, not as he wishes it to be. Americans do not elect weak (perceived or otherwise) persons as President.
He says there have been enough debates so that everyone knows his positions. I have tried to get information from his website. It's very wordy and lacking in details. I would like to hear him and Clinton debate health care so I can finally figure out what each stands for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 04/27/2008

"Clinton has a solution"? Whatever with her "solution"!

Why does she not have a "solution" to run a successful campaign as opposed to one that is defunct?

You state you,"tried to get information from his website. It's very wordy and lacking in details".

Are you sure you visited the correct website regarding his "healthcare" issues?

Your statement has no credibility because it is full of pertinent information regarding healthcare so I dont know what you're talking about!

Obviously you are a Hillary supporter just talking out your a**.

Anyone that visits this website would not be able to agree with your statement!

Lacking in details - Yah right! Would you like him to personally visit you and read you a bedtime story named, "Obamas Healthcare Handbook".

Either you did not read the correct website or you are Helen Keller!

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 04/28/2008

It was full of Obama will do this type statements. Almost nothing on how. I also did a search on how he would cover unemployed people and the search found nothing. It may be in there but normal search tools did not find it.

He mentions setting up an institute, how will it operate and how is it funded? All of the information it will provide is already available. A lot of overhead.

Anyone can come up with a list of "I will do this." I want to know how, so I can judge if it is realistic. I would also like to see some cost/savings estimates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 04/28/2008

It's about time Barack tells Hillary to "go debate herself".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 04/27/2008

black man chicken--white woman too tough--as the indians might say!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 04/27/2008

You heap big dodo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 04/27/2008

The comment is not only an affront to Native Americans it is offensive to any persons with a MIND!!!! Geez!!! Were you born stupid?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 04/27/2008

LOL -

"black man chicken--white woman too tough" and dr4Will2dumb!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 04/28/2008

Obama will not debate because he cannot speak without a teleprompter, he needs his speech writers and he is clueless without his staff....... he is without substance and and empty suit and lost for words........ he speaks with no substance

OBAMA IS A FRAUD!!

GO HILLARY!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 04/27/2008

GO HILLARY!!!! AWAY!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 04/27/2008

RoseFromPhila,

Hey sparky, lets see, I bet you voted for Bush in his first term. Matter of fact I bet you voted for him in his second run also.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 04/27/2008

What planet have you been on? Saturn? Neptune? Definitely not here on earth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 04/27/2008

Like it or not, that is pretty much the impression most of my friends in this red state have of him. You can argue it's not true until you are blue in the face, but if he does not address this, they will vote Clinton or McCain. You can't change that, only Obama can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 04/27/2008

Well, like they say, "YOU CAN'T WIN THEM ALL". So you and your friends have a good time wasting your votes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 04/28/2008

You must mean Obama and ugly wifey ! Everyone knows he can't hold his own unless Michelle writes down the answers (that she approves of) for him !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 04/27/2008

I am Clinton supporter and your comment about "ugly wifey" is just plain uncalled for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 04/28/2008

Oh.. You must have lived with them? Or are you a direct descendent of Nostrodamous?

One who has graduated from Harvard Law School; in addition to being the president of the Harvard Law Review would definitely have the aptitude and capabilities to speak without a teleprompter!

You sound like a fish that can't swim. I'm sure that one will really be a brain twister for you! Now carry on! You are dismissed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 04/27/2008

Nice to have an insider! So with your statement, I am assuming you had a personal conversation with BO and Michelle to actually know this? Truly can you say anything more stupid? Wait, I am sure there"s more to come?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 04/27/2008

yes...PLEASE go, hillary...far, far away!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 04/27/2008

yes, please, go, OBama supporters - far far away, you guys are morons

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 04/27/2008

The morons are the guys running the Clinton campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 04/28/2008

Do you notice, she's always yelling she wants a debate when she's losing.

Like I said hear me roar. Want to beat him up even more.

She can't win on her issues. She can only win while she's beating on him.

No wonder Bill is humping other women. She probably beats on him to.

HUMP- HUMP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 04/27/2008

Sunburst: When did Hillary beat up Obama during a debate. You're just angry because Obama sucks in every debate, even the one run by MSNBC where they basically kissed his butt for 90 minutes and Hillary got slammed.

EVen when getting slammed in a debate, she still beat his butt. Too bad huh.

I wouldn't worry about Bill humping other women. I bet bull dog Michele, does a lot of beating up on wussy Obama. That's for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 04/27/2008

Sunburst...at least Bill chooses the opposite Sex !if he wants to dally !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 04/27/2008

Clinton is desperate and she's flailing about with ideas she thinks might take down the uppity upstart. She's merely hoping she can provoke Obama into making some trite slip of the tongue so she can go for his throat. And, of course, if he won't debate Mrs. Abraham Lincoln for the twenty-thousandth time that REALLY proves he's a all hot air and a sissy. This former candidate needs to clear the way for the real leader. I would say the Clintons have jumped the shark but with these two it's the sharks that are doing the jumping.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/27/2008

The only reason why Hillary wants to debate so badly is for the fact that she has no $, and just wants FREE AIRTIME.

you say, "if he won't debate Mrs. Abraham Lincoln for the twenty-thousandth time that REALLY proves he's a all hot air and a sissy."

We'll see how much "hot air" and sissy-fied he is when he's debating the dinosoar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 04/27/2008

Precisely. The primary race is over for Clinton, convention or no convention It's time to focus on George Bush the Third!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 04/27/2008

I'm at a loss as to why no one is reporting bringing up the fact that Clinton pulled out of the first scheduled debate in NC. Also, how 'bout Hillary dodging her competitor in '06 when he was asking for debate after debate. Truth is, if the roles were reversed, she would not want to debate either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 04/27/2008

It's all about tactics. If people want debates, they will ask for them and those who refuse may get hurt. What Clinton did or did not do in '06 does not interest today's voters. If people understood Obama's positions better, it wouldn't hurt him to decline to debate. As you saw in PA., people wanted the debate, they were hungry for information and got rather less than they wanted. I suspect the people of Indiana want information too. It's Obama's choice but he has to live with the consequences.