Clinton's Battering of Obama Is Brutal, Bloody -- But Fair

Posted April 27, 2008 | 03:09 PM (EST)



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Can Hillary Clinton do it? Is it imaginable that the cup of nomination might be torn from Barack Obama's lips? Is it still conceivable that in 2008 America could elect its first black president, or its first female one? Is it possible that, after eight years of George Bush, the Republicans could yet retain the White House in the eccentric shape of John McCain?

Nobody, and I mean nobody, has an answer to these questions. Families, friends, pundits, barmen, and cab-drivers disagree wildly over what will happen or what should happen. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed guru is king. This is the most intriguing presidential campaign of modern times.

Meanwhile at every twist and turn along the road, there is another barrage from another quarter of the never-sleeping American electorate. The Republican primaries are over but the Democratic ones are relentless, from the icy blasts of Iowa and New Hampshire in January to the torrid spring of Indiana and North Carolina in two weeks time. The party just cannot make up its mind.

Last week the apparently smooth path to party coronation of Barack Obama has ground almost to a halt thanks to a feisty, fighting, spitting, jeering rear-guard action by Hillary Clinton. She just refuses to give up. When every dictate of dignity and party unity suggests she should have conceded months ago, she will not give way to Obama.

Her campaign has been a chaos of sacked managers, unpaid bills, gaffes and indiscretions, but she cries, "The American people deserve a president who doesn't quit" and that is that. The Clintons' motto is that they "will do anything to win" and they are being true to it. They give the old Democratic party an echo of the good times, of men who play mean and hard. There is a touch of Margaret Thatcher to Clinton at present.

This weekend her aides are frantically seeking to reverse the arithmetic of the primary process, which gives Obama a near unbeatable superiority in delegates at the August Democratic convention. Near is the operative word. If the Florida primary had not been disallowed on a technicality, Clinton probably would have more popular votes within the party than Obama, as many at 500,000 out of 15m.

She argues that she has shown her strength in key states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania which Democrats must win to beat the Republicans, and where poor white voters might go for McCain or not vote rather than support Obama. If Clinton wins another such state, Indiana, in ten days time that argument will further strengthen (though not put her ahead in delegates). Power will then lie with the as yet unattached "superdelegates", who will hold the convention balance and who should, says Clinton, switch to her if the party is to beat McCain. America, she implies, is ready for a woman president but not a black one.

Until last week, Obama could match this argument toe to toe. While Clinton's support may be deep in states the Democrats are not likely to lose, his is broad, to a wide coalition of blacks, the young and college-educated voters. He has shown that he can increase Democratic registration and thus bring many hitherto Republican southern states into play. He is new and exciting, and would make McCain appear tired and old. His is a new covenant between his party and the people, a new leaf turned over from old Clinton mafia.

It is hard to imagine that America could find another candidate so perfectly cast to be its first black president. Obama not only writes good books (by himself) and makes good speeches, he has a solid record of legislation in Congress. His team is calm, efficient and, in comparison to Clinton's, loyal. Of the three surviving candidates, he is the only one with a presidential aura, even if at times it seems aloof and over-rhetorical.

A writer in the New York Review, Garry Wills, compared Obama's recent speech on race with Abraham Lincoln's, as that of a man who could rise above the squabbles and guilt-by-association that goes with running for president. Merely by being elected, Obama could resolve the anguish that seems to afflict modern America, both abroad and at home. Surely black America's time has come.

That was until last week. Forget Obama's fine qualities, say Clinton's supporters. They have been put to the test and, as yet, Americans are not fully convinced. In polls they may like Obama more than Clinton, but they do not know him as they know her. Hence her lethal jibe, "He is not a Muslim... as far as I know," and the equally nauseous advertisement implying that Americans would not want a black hand reaching out to the 3AM crisis phone call.

If in ten days time the Democrats of Indiana join those of Ohio and Pennsylvania in rejecting Obama, then white working-class America will have spoken. "We won where we have to win," says Clinton. If this in turn panics undecided delegates into backing her, it proves that an older and more conservative America is unwilling to confront the change that Obama offers. He will disappear as another "McGovern-style", wine-drinking liberal who cannot address America in a language it understands.

This is mostly code. Despite Obama's plea to be treated as "just an ordinary American" and his cry that "in no other country on earth is my story possible," his faltering at this late stage is only in part due to his unfortunate remark about working-class bitterness and his association with a dodgy pastor. It is for his colour.

That is why Democrats wavering over his suitability regard Clinton's challenge is reasonable if tough. Has this man -- has this black man -- got what it takes to overcome everything that the Republicans at their meanest will throw at him come November? Or will he take his party down to a defeat which, after eight years of Bush, will be ignominious in the extreme, and put back the cause of black political advance in the process. This is no less pertinent for him being able to ask the same question of Clinton as a woman, but at this juncture she is appearing physically and emotionally tougher than him.

If Obama is denied the nomination by such last-minute superdelegate skull-duggery, the consequence could be catastrophic for the Democrats. Black America will be enraged. The chosen candidate, Clinton, and her ever-present husband will be seen as the agents of rejection. They will have denied their party the historic glory of being the first to nominate a black for president.

In the process they will have roused all the hobgoblins of racism and reaction in old white America, and for what? Clinton already claims as a qualification her "eight years' experience" with Bill in the White House. There seems to be no satisfying the gigantic ambition of this couple. Millions of black and progressive Americans -- and many who just cannot bear the Clintons -- may never forgive them. They could deny Clinton not just the presidency in November but her seat in the Senate thereafter.

Foreigners may look on this saga with stunned horror. A bruised and uncertain America -- 80 percent of whose citizens claim it has "gone off on the wrong track" under Bush -- is tearing itself apart in what appears a parody of democracy. But it is not a parody. Given the rigidity of the electoral college in the final election -- reducing the real contest to just a handful of swing states -- the primaries are the one chance that tens of millions of voters have of scrutinising and passing judgment on who should rule them.

The attention paid by candidates to the smallest communities in states across the nation is phenomenal. Compared with the synthesised and centralised elections of Europe's political clubs, it is politics raw and intimate and real.

I, as an outsider, may believe that a President Obama would rejuvenate his country's sense of itself and so transform America's world image in the coming century as to be worth any shortcoming in his campaign so far. But the trial by ordeal through which he must pass is a fair one.

The next president must end a war and rescue a nation's finances. He or she will need massive legitimacy to do so. The primary campaign is a necessary ritual of that legitimacy. It bears sober witness to the democratic moment.

 

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"Last week the apparently smooth path to party coronation of Barack Obama has ground almost to a halt thanks to a feisty, fighting, spitting, jeering rear-guard action by Hillary Clinton."

Ridiculous.

1. Hillary Clinton didn't cause Barack Obama to call rural Americans bitter, gun-toting, religion-clingers. HE DID THAT ALL BY HIMSELF.

2. Hillary Clinton didn't cause Barack Obama to attend Rev. Wright's church for 20 years but miss the sermons where he referred to people of other races and religions as garlic noses and blue-eyed devils, or to somehow forget that Rev. Wright thought the American government was responsible for both 9/11 and AIDS. HE DID THAT ALL BY HIMSELF.

3. Hillary Clinton didn't cause Barack Obama to go to expensive prep schools and Ivy League colleges, to have parents who held doctoral degrees or to be the first cousin of the current Prime Minister of Kenya. THOSE ARE JUST THE FACTS.

We understand that Barack Obama is tired of the race and is ready for the coronation he thinks he deserves. And we also understand that he's not going to get it, anymore than voters in Iowa and other early primary states are going to get a chance to re-vote for somebody else now that they know more about him.

But attempting to hold Hillary responsible for Obama's electability problems just makes it look like more whining on Obama's part - and perhaps a little bit sexism on the part of the author.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 05/05/2008

Fair? Not a bit of it. Clinton's campaign is resorting to the lowest kind of smear and guilt-by-association and neo-con innuendo. Her tactics are reminiscent of Karl Rove and Roy Cohn. This may be where American politics are at in this benighted twilight of the empire (the Republic was extinguished twenty years ago.) But saying it is "fair" is just nonsense. It is dishonorable and vicious.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 04/29/2008

This is the problem with the democratic party and exactly why I have become an independent. They have this ridiculous need to always be fair and we can't hurt people's feelings and they abandon any form of logic. This is why we are in the position that we're in today because everyone gets a piece of the pie, instead of winner takes all. In life there are winners and there are losers, we have to accept that. We want to win in November and we want to win with the strongest candidate, not the one that makes me feel good or the one that I want to have a drink with, the best candidate. I'm black and would one day want to see a black president, but I want the strongest black candidate and in my gut, I don't believe that he is right for now. Explaining why he's going to lose in the general election and blaiming Hillary Clinton for asking necessary questions is not a good strategy. Just like you're more than willing to point out her weaknesses, you need to start looking at his weaknesess and the reasons why he might lose the general election. After all isn't that the democratic way? Everyone "shares" a piece of the blame.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 04/28/2008

I could not agree more. The problem is not that we need to have a candidate drop out so a decision can be final. The problem is the process itself. The sharing of delagates and caucuses are the problem. The primaries should be simular to the general election process or you will never have a candidate that you can tell will hold up to general election standards.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 04/28/2008

What I've gathered from this campaign and the blogosphere is this: People love to complain. The periphery notwithstanding, most of you like being in a situation you don't like, and rather than doing something about it, you complain that something should be done. Everyone was up in arms with gas went above $2 a gallon, and everyone started talking about boycotts. And you kept talking about boycotts after it went above $3, and you probably just finished posting a comment on another blog about boycotting now that it's near $4 a gallon. Now, people are upset with our economy. People complained that all politicians want power and money and that we need to clean the whole lot out. So, what do we do? Well, the only politicians who addressed our complaints dropped out of the primaries because we didn't vote for them: Kucinich, Paul, Richardson -- Edwards. So, really, what do you people want? Based on the past, oh, 230-odd years, I'd say you want the same situation repeated with different players, so that you can have a sense of purpose. And that sense of purpose is complaining. Because, if you're going to let the media and your 89-year-old grandmother (who probably doesn't care about the color the handbasket we go to hell in) tell you whom to support -- even if it's against your own interests -- then you get what you deserve. However, if complaining is your only goal of existence, then congratulations for a world well earned.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 04/28/2008

Honestly, you Obama supporters are so crazy you didn't even notice this guy is an Obama supporter too. His crime is not hating Hillary enough for you.

I guess that shows what your Obama support is really all about - it's not for him; it's against her.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 04/28/2008

The problem with Hillary's actions (as addressed and dismissed in this article) is almost irrelevant to Obama--that's why most people look at her rather than at him in their replies. Both candidates' strengths and weaknesses should be explored in full, but that's not what's happening.

Hillary is making exploration of her records taboo, while encouraging focus on the most trivial irrelevancies in her opponent. What she's doing has minimal positive side, hurting her party, her opponent, herself, and the nation, and the best we can do is hope that her petty attacks and selfish tactics aren't fatal to all.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 04/29/2008

Screw Fox loving Clinton
Screw Fox loving Obama
Screw Fox loving McCain

I'm voting for Nader. These three people have NO BUSINESS being president of this country. Each one of them is a stealing, lying piece of cow dung. They should all be disqualified on the basis of criminally aiding the Bush crime family in it's rape and pillage of this nation.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 04/28/2008

Obama is CORRUPT, a LIAR, and his slogan of change an ILLUSION.

1) CORRUPT: A houseowner wants to sell both a house and adjoining land. Obama can afford to buy only the house. No problem, the criminal Rezko to the rescue. Rezko pays full price for the land, whereas Obama gets a discount of $300,000 on the house. Nice to have criminal friends like this!!! (ref ABC News)

2) LIAR: Obama claims he did not know about Wright's America-hating (God damn America) and racist views till it was revealed in the mainstream media in March 2008. Obama attended Wright's church for 20 years, was married by Wright, had his children baptized by Wright, donated over $20,000 to Wright's church and named his book "Audacity of Hope" after one of Wright's sermons. You really believe after 20 years and all this he did not know?

3) ILLUSION: Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants in Illinois. Obama, a senator for Illinois introduces a bill to make disclosures mandatory. Seems like Exelon doesn't like it. Each draft of the new bill by Obama goes more and more towards Exelon till disclosures end up being "voluntary". What gives? How about $250,000+ donations by Exelon!!! Obama is not change, he is WASHINGTON BUSINESS AS USUAL. (ref NYT)

People need to realize that Hillary has been fighting for them all along. All the way back to 1993 when she tried to introduce universal health care.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 04/28/2008

"People need to realize that Hillary has been fighting for them all along. All the way back to 1993 when she tried to introduce universal health care." And failed with a Democratic majority in BOTH houses.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 04/28/2008

well ,little obama lover, at least you know we won't quit with Hillary--being President is tough--bush didn't have it and neither does the black candidate--this isn't a coronation this is real life and you left wing idiots do not understand that a black will not win in 2008--it isn't time yet!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 04/28/2008

The extended primay contest is mostly good, it lets us get to know the candidates well. There will be little acrimony once the candidate is chosen. This "tearing apart the country" spot is just media hype, desperation trying to manufacture the next fantastic story. Stop it you assholes, be content with a little intelligent, sober discourse and journalism. There are too many of you. Stop trying to make news. Stop taking phenomena and claiming them as your own to hype and sell

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/28/2008

Hillary's attacks on Obama are not fair. It's a testament to the pervasive corruption in this society that anyone would suggest they are. We listen to drooling idiots in the white house lie to the public every day, start wars against other countries to steal their resources, throw Americans out of work, shut down schools, close hospitals and tell Americans to just go away and die, all because the most corrupt and despicable segment of our country has taken control. But what they do is not right.

It was not right for Bill Clinton to peddle his name and connections to every buyer in the world once he left the white house and to solicit hundreds of millions of dollars to himself, his library, and his foundation. That's not right -- it's despicable. It was not right for the Clintons to try to intimidate big-money supporters by threatening them not to give to anyone else, trying to tie up all the money so she could buy the presidency.

It's not right now for Hillary to demean and ridicule Obama, like he was a stupid little kid who is not deserving of respectful treatment, the same respect she gives to the most despicable people in this country -- the ones in the white house. Hillary Clinton cannot win, and is running only to throw the election and destroy Obama so she gets another shot in 4 years. I hope someone starts a recall against her, because she should be banished from

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 04/28/2008

The London Times is a Murdoch publication, so I wouldn't expect anything other than clinton support from it's hacks. The attacks have been fair in one sense because they have given us a fair view of the real Clinton machine and the view is ugly.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 04/28/2008

Hillary '08

This is how democracy is suppose to work. The most undemocratic amoung us are those who are attempting to force Hillary to quit.

Meanwhile, we learn more of Rev Wright. I'm sure we will learn more of other Obama pals also.

Hillary '08

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 04/28/2008

Frankly, I for one WILL NOT vote for Hillary should she succeed superdelegates that Obama is not electable due to the white populas. Frankly, that is a bold face lie. Democrates and the general populas is hungry for change and will NOT vote for a republican on the sheer knowledge of how they feel right now toward BUSH/CHENEY.

Hillary has used Obama's race against him in an undiginified manner. It will not only be the black community that will revolt ...alot of WHITE floks will also. One thing to remember PA is a republican state. rarely has it ever gone democrat in a presidental election. Hillary knows this and is just using it to further her "rove style republican" attacts in order to win..

Her winning is at our cost. ..............Hillary" I will obliderate Iran" killing innocents means nothing to her.

Killing this country to further her mistaken entitlement means nothing to her.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 04/28/2008

This Iran business is a non-issue. It's not indicative of neocon sympathies.

It's basically the same thing as the US saying it would've responded to a Soviet invasion of Europe with nuclear weapons. It's not about invading, it's about threatening retaliation in response to an attack on an ally. This is common stuff.

Now, of course it's good politics insofar as HRC is trying to say she's tough, which is obviously the intent, and also a play to the Israeli lobby and Jewish voters/superdelegates. It's just politics.

Not an HRC supporter, just don't think this is much of an issue.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/28/2008

How do you know she feels entitled? I do know Obama is not entitled.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 04/28/2008

You must have a LOVE for Iran or Ahmadinejad after all we all know what a sweet, loving, and tolerant man he is. Try reading and understanding the issues! First of all she is not going to attack Iran unless "THEY", get it "THEY" use nuclear weapons "FIRST" get it "FIRST" on Israel or a U.S. ally or the U.S. for that matter!!! In which case I beleive attacking them would certainly be an appropriate response. In addition PA is not a RED state. They voted blue in the last four elections. Try reading!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 04/28/2008

You have probably reading the Cheney/Bush handbook a bit too much.

a) even the nincompoop Bush has not used such harsh retaliatory terminology when speaking of Iran.
b) Israel currently has its own nukes and can take care of itself very well I think. Even they, the object of the supposed rant by Ahmedinejad, do not use such uneccessary machoistic verbosity
c) Ahmedinejad is a gofer in Iran politics. He has neither the power nor capability to use nukes.
d) HC must have had a testorone shot when she made that statement...trying to act tougher than even John McWar.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 04/28/2008

Your name fits you well. and you should get your facts in order, Bush/Cheny made up the story, on Iran as they did on Iraq, The "Clowns that you attached that small mind of your's to were and are after the "OIL of that region and thats all they care about.
And if you compare the leader of Iran to the two Clowns of the United States, all three are cut from the same "RIB,

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 04/28/2008

What in the Hell does Bush/Cheney have to do with this argument? The hypothetical premise is that IF Iran attacks FIRST with NUCLEAR WEAPONS should we respond with an attack of our own. Clinton has stated that we must make it clear to Iran that we will. Your reaction to my comment and your attitude tells me that you are not a progressive thinking person but someone who just hates the U.S. and feels that we are wrong no matter what the situation might be. I have no other way to explain how someone like yourself can defend the FIRST use of nuclear weapons by Iran or anyone else for that matter on the U.S or U.S. ally. If Iran has no Nukes and/or never attacks anyone then this is a moot point.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 04/28/2008

You are right. It was a hypothetical what if. Hillary repeated the old policy of nuclear deterrence, also called MAD. That is why we have nuclear weapons and other nations will want them also. Besides, Israel is well able to retaliate as well as the Us, and Hillary qualified, she said" able to obliterate Iran" which is factual.

I don't like that kind of talk, the subject does not fit into one question and one answer. It is much more complex.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 04/28/2008

Hillary never said "He is not a Muslim... as far as I know," If you want to distort, use ellipses.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 04/28/2008

YES SHE DID....I saw the actual interview as it was happening....From the "horses" mouth to the microphone...... her campaign started that rumor.... Dont be such a fool

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 04/28/2008

She categorically denied he was muslim again and again and the reporter kept asking until she used the "as far as I know phrase" so if you were honest and not a fool, you would know that this was created by the reporter, not by Clinton. She did not start that rumor, but I have never noticed that logic and honesty typify the clinton-haters.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 04/28/2008

I also saw the interview and was annoyed with the way the reporter kept pushing her to answer the question over and over again. She said no more than once, until finally she got fed up and was like "No, as far as I know." Which means, if you know something more than say it already. Of course the Obamamaniacs conveniently forgot the first part of her answer and ran with the last part.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 04/28/2008

No, Obama supporters forget the first part and the last. She had words following her "as far as I know" statement.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 04/28/2008

Clinton is tougher than Obama why? Because she won Pennsylvania? Because she practices a politics of negativity and irrelevance? Because he has a more positive message? He sounds and appears the same as he always did.

Everyone KNEW weeks before that Hillary had a better chance at Pennsylvania. Let's all stop acting like Hillary pulled of a miraculous, unforeseen miracle victory.

I charge the author to answer this question: how is that answer by Hillary Clinton "fair" in any way? How is the way she has conducted her campaign "fair" in any way. Part of the problem with the politics in this country is that our politicians must endure this baptism by fire, barraged with ridiculous questions and baseless attacks. Kindergarten antics are par for the course in Washington and in our media.

The argument that Obama will set back the black political cause is equally absurd; he shouldn't be the nominee because there's a chance he will lose, thus setting back black politics in America? This is like saying never to to take a risk for fear of losing what you never had. There has never been a black president; how can Obama stepping up and losing to McCain (unlikely anyway) set that cause back?

Hillary, drop out if you care about the Democratic Party. Your time has passed, Bill's time has passed. Go away.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 04/28/2008

Why don't you children just go away. Most of you were still in diapers when Clinton was president.

You still have a lot to learn and maybe giving 18year olds the right to vote was not such a good idea.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 04/28/2008

So, because we haven't been alive as long as you have, we aren't as wise as you are and shouldn't express opinions? In that case, you should vote for John McCain, because by your measurements, he must be the wisest candidate!

Every adult has the right to vote, especially those old enough to die in Iraq; and just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we don't know anything. In fact, according to science, chances are that you're just following entrenched programming, going with the familiar face like old dogs--or is it alright for you to assume young people are so inexperienced that we're stupid despite perusing so much information at our fingertips, but not alright for us to assume that you're just too old and "experienced" to be objective?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 04/29/2008

Thank you, lysistrata!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 04/28/2008

"The attention paid by candidates to the smallest communities in states across the nation is phenomenal."

Actually, there are thousands of the "smallest communities in states across the nation" that are not being paid attention to by the candidates --- it is an impossibility. The informations they are getting is from the MSM, and a great, huge number of people in these thousands of small communities are getting their "news", "information" and "truthiness" from right-wing talk radio and Fox News. What they are getting are mere bits and bites of the total message and issues of all three candidates.

Educated populace? Information, clear and true, is what it takes to make Democracy really work. And we have anything but an educated people in this country.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 04/28/2008