On Sexist Media Coverage of Hillary Clinton

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Espousing feminist viewpoints is so often really not cool -- in fact, feminists even have our own joke about how humorless we are:

JOKE: How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
PUNCHLINE: That's not funny.

(And that's the clean punchline.)

Whether they call themselves a feminist or not, many women and many men have noticed how different mainstream media coverage of Hillary Clinton's run for the Democratic nomination has been from coverage of male candidates. From her tone of voice and her style of dress, her eyes welling up with tears to her credentials as a senator, Clinton's run for the Democratic nomination has been awash with the most dispiriting ridicule I have seen in my (albeit short) lifetime.

(Let me say right up front that I voted for Barack Obama in the Connecticut primary -- in fact, I took a Metro North train back home to Connecticut to vote for Barack Obama in the Connecticut primary in the flesh. So I can tell you all about why Hillary Clinton gives me the heebie-jeebies -- but that conversation will include words like "Mark Penn," "Wal-mart" and "Iraq War," not "crying" or "nagging wives.")

Surprise, surprise, feeling protective of Hillary Clinton when media coverage manhandles her as ball-busting, overemotional or Anne Boleyn-grade manipulative is regarded as really not cool. And I don't say this because I think I am a martyr or I enjoy feeling like one -- I say it because I've had some frustrating conversations, mostly with men, who think one of two things:

1) They don't see the coverage as sexist or offensive altogether, or
2) They do think it's "a little" sexist but Hillary's such a uber-rich, out-of-touch, shady Republicrat, anyway, that it's just a sexist tint to a legitimate criticism of her smarmy ways.

So it was my distinct pleasure on Thursday night to attend a discussion, "From Bella to Hillary: Women, Media and Politics" at New York City's The Paley Center for Media to discuss how mainstream media coverage of female candidates has changed from the 1960s and 1970s, when women's and civil rights activist Bella Abzug ran for Congress.

Pat Mitchell of the Paley Center converged a slam-dunk lineup: radio host Laura Flanders, president of the Women's Media Center Carol Jenkins, former editor of Ms. magazine Suzanne Braun Levine, veteran television journalist Marlene Sanders, feminist writer (and generational icon) Gloria Steinem, author Mary Thom, and president of the White House Project, which seeks to elect more women to Congress, Marie Wilson.

Veteran TV journalist Marlene Sanders opened the discussion by lamenting, "It seems like we've been doing this forever," to which the other women soberly nodded their heads. Sanders explained to those of us born in the '80s that there were practically no women in politics in the 1960s or 1970s - other than the wives and daughters, who she was often asked to cover. Furthermore, men in journalism were often clueless about the implications of the blossoming women's movement.

In charged Bella Abzug, who former Ms. editor Suzanne Braun Levine noted wasn't "polite" or "motherly" -- and therefore, everyone from the conservatives to the peace activists were wary of. Bella's style was to demand, not ask, and -- for better or for worse -- many women who worked along side her are proudly scarred from a Bella Abzug tonguelashing. (She apparently used to say, "I'm only yelling at you because I respect you!")

Writer Gloria Steinem offered context for how women challenging sexism in the media and in politics were ridiculed, which those of us who work in feminist activism today can sympathize with. "We've moved from ridicule and invisibility to serious opposition," Steinem explained. "First [a movement] is ridiculed, then the next wave is 'it's not news anymore.' First you didn't need it and now it's kind of silly and you don't need it anymore!" Steinem's been around long enough to see feminism's successes of the 1960s and 1970s -- such as legal protections for women in the workforce, civil rights, the public acknowledgment of domestic abuse and sexual assault, legalization of safe abortions, and the widespread use of the birth control pill -- only to see the backlash rear its ugly head in the most Eisenhower-esque incarnations. To Steinem's eye, lately the "misogyny level has gone up."

Radio host Laura Flanders articulated Steinem's ideas further: "You go from a period where women were supposed to know their place...to a place where we've scored a lot of victories in terms of a place -- being allowed in the doors," but now there is a pervasive "post-feminist period" that Flanders believes to be media-generated. The post-feminist line is that feminism isn't needed anymore -- in fact, wealthy white women have the luxury of rejecting feminism's advances -- and therefore the mainstream media acts like it's over in America. "We're not allowed to talk about it anymore," Flanders said, even though mainstream media outlets still don't deny that there is widespread misogyny elsewhere in the world.

"We're not allowed to say there's a connection between what the pundits say and what society does," Flanders said. "It's Hillary's problem, not our problem."

But it is our problem. "We need to talk about the way the patriarchy functions," she told us. "It's not about getting a place at the table, it's about changing the table."

This cued a series of TV clips, done in part by the Women's Media Center, a sort of "best of the best" greatest hits of great moments in sexist male punditry. (Actually, I shouldn't say say "male" because Michelle Malkin's in there, too, talking about how haggard Clinton looks.) It's got Tucker Carlson saying when Clinton comes on TV "I involuntarily cross my legs" and a whole cornucopia of Chris Matthews doozies, including telling female guests how pretty they are. (Note to Chris Matthews: it's not a good sign if you have your own "Chris Matthews sexism" Huffington Post tag.) I hope they stick this video online for anyone who wants to see it.

Marie Wilson was the most hopeful of the bunch -- and rightfully so, because her organization, The White House Project, successfully trains women who believe themselves to be leaders in their community (one-third of them women of color) to run for office. "This really is the time for women's leadership," Wilson said, joking, "We will get to lead because things are a mess and we always get to clean up."

Of the sexist media coverage, Wilson noted (much like Amanda Fortini's piece, "Has Hillary Clinton's Campaign Caused a Feminist Re-awakening?", on sexism and Hillary Clinton in New York magazine recently), "It's been there all along and for the first time, people are admitting it is there." To this Steinem added, somewhat bittersweetly, that she speaks on college campuses several times a month and has noticed a change of mood in the state of feminism of late.

Carol Jenkins, president of the Women's Media Center, was also hopeful, although in a slightly different way -- she said Clinton running for president was the best thing to happen to the Women's Media Center, because before then, she was so often asked what they were complaining about. The reality, though, is that women occupy 3% of clout positions in the mainstream media, according to Jenkins, and the populace as a whole has "lost that furor."

Most of the panelists seemed to be saying that if more women were in positions of power -- mayors, senators, representatives, presidents, heads of media companies, TV pundits, op-ed columnists, radio show hosts -- then the discourse would de-frat boy, bullying of females and ridicule of serious issues would cease and sexist commentary would be met with shock and embarrassment, rather than naughty smiles. That may or may not be true, but I'm inclined to believe it is mostly true. I can't be the only one having those frustrating conversations where I feel protective of Hillary Clinton.

And I believe the moderator, Pat Mitchell, to be entirely right on when she said, "The candidacy alone has become an excuse for some unbelievably gender-ist and misogynist remarks."

So here's the question: Whether Clinton wins or not, will we wake up from this slumber?

 
 

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I am so glad to see this post! I had given up on HuffPo because its posters are overwhelmingly sexist. Jessica, you've done a great job here, and yet the majority of the comments blast you for being a Clinton supporter - they never 'read' or 'got' the piece at all. Interestingly enough, if Clinton is too distasteful for the Huffpo readership to contemplate in terms of sexist treatment, have a look at Michelle Obama. She came out strong, as a black female, well educated, and the media didn't like it. Played her comment on being 'proud of America' against her, since she's so well educated and has a six-figure salary - how could she not be proud? So what's the new tack? She is being made over into a 'Jackie O' type of wife, complete with hairdo and dresses that evoke the image. Why? Because we are a little scared of a strong, angry, black woman. If she were to come out in full African regalia and talking like Maya Angelou, people would run screaming in the other direction.

But a Jacki-O clone, well that will go down like champagne.

Don't see the sexism in that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 04/29/2008

There are so many instances where the media has given a pass to Hillary, while the media is creating faux controversies with which to attack Obama. How one can not see how blatantly silent the media is on so many flip flops, ducplicitous comments, Bill's lies, healthcare, NAFTA and her private concerns and opposition. Every criticism the Clintons have made of Obama, can be said about Hillary and/or Bill. It's as if they are deliberately projecting all of their baggage onto Obama. I'm amazed that the cable news has ignored or passed on this tactic.

The media knows that the Clinton Camp (Bill) called the Canadian prime minister's office about NAFTA changes, but continue to say and let the Clinton camp say that it was the Obama camp.
Hillary is using dispicable tactics that anyone else would be criticized; the media dismisses these tactics as just politics. Bill has lied at the campaign rallies, but no one calls him on it. Opposed to NAFTA and yet pushing tech jobs to India corporations sounds contradictory to me, but the media won't touch it. Attempting to change all the rules in the middle of the game is being considered "tough." It is unethical and cheating. After eight years of the current administration, we will need someone to restore character, honesty, integrity and to restore the moral compass of the United States. Someone who things saying and doing anything to win is acceptable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 04/28/2008

Although we enjoy gender differences, there is nothing within those differences that would prevent anyone from holding political office (including President), and performing all of the necessary duties of that office.

Clinton? ...no, I'm afraid not. It wasn't her gender. She did it to herself. No matter how much you would like to find a scapegoat... or million of scapegoats, the sad fact is that she was given a tremendous number of advantages and presented with an great opportunity to excel but chose a path that only led to defeat. And the consequence of those horrendous choices? ... she has further decided to take a position that will inflict an inordinate amount of damage on the Democratic Party and America's chance to turn away from corporate rule.

Does sexism and misogyny exist? ... of course. Are those factors the root cause of her defeat? ... of course not. She deserves to lose because she and her strategists made choices that almost guaranteed that defeat. Why are you so intent on excusing those choices? Point your finger elsewhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 04/28/2008

... Disclaimer: I own stock in penis.

Is American culture sexist? Yes. Is the MSM sexist? Yes. Does that make Clinton a better candidate? No. Do women who cling to her candidacy as some kind of feminist beacon do a disservice to real feminism? Yes.

If you want to convince men in this country (who don't already believe it, on principle) that women can succeed as politicians, indeed that a woman could not only win, but be a better President than many men have been in the past, you need a better candidate than Hillary. She's taken a beating mainly because she's a terrible, self-serving, deceitful politician. Nobody trusts her to do anything she's said, because she will be too busy fighting Republicans to answer that 3AM phone call. Has this criticism come in sexist form? Sure, sometimes. So what? She's still the worse candidate. If we lived in a perfect utopia where equality was real and sexism was dead and gone, she'd still be the worse candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 04/28/2008

Just reading the first handful of comments reinforces how on target your article is. I have to remind myself that the blogs are dominated by males, in particular young males, or young females who live in denial. It is sad.

One does not have to be for Clinton to be intelligent enough to understand that sexism has been prevalent in the media. With or without Senator Clinton, the statistics remain. The percentage of females in the electorate is over 50%. Yet representation is less than 15% nationally. The percentage of power in the media is 97% male. Whether one likes or hates Senator Clinton, the statistics are the same.
Anyone with an IQ above that of a rock KNOWS how blatant and overt the sexism has been on GE (NBC and MSNBC). If racism was used by the media on Senator Obama in the same ways sexism has been used, people would and SHOULD BE FIRED.

But here...I don't like Clinton therefore sexism is just fine, is the prevailing mentality. That says a lot about this blog and it is not good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 04/28/2008

I suppose that merely noting that Sen. Clinton is a woman could by itself be construed as "sexist" in the same way that noting Sen. Obama is not white could be construed as "racist."

However, noting her tone of voice doesn't seem to rise to the same level. Many have noted that Sen. Lieberman, for example, has a reedy, whining tone that drives many up the wall. Sen. McCain's robotic "my friends" mantra has been noted as well.

Is it as sexist to note Sen. McCain's sartorial choice in flak jackets while being shepherded around Baghdad as it is to note Sen. Clinton's wardrobe choices?

Sorry, seems pretty thin gruel to me. If this is Outraged Feminism's best shot, well, good luck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 04/28/2008

I would have much more sympathy if Ms. Clinton would not continually trample on feminist values such as cooperation, respect, caring, nurturance, honesty, sensitivity, altruism, fairness, and morality instead of immitating some of the worst qualities of the male gender such as win at any cost, destroy the competition, and deride those who oppose you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 04/28/2008

If you think having sympathy is the appropriate response in the first place then you have really missed the point. The last thing feminism needs is your sympathy. I disagree with your comment that Hillary Clinton continually tramples feminist values and the list you have provided as well as your suggestion that she is imitating qualities of the male gender. Hillary Clinton is on the same playing field as her male opponents, she's not imitating being on that field. Herein lies the real problem.

There is no reason we should have to put up with this sexist crap in this day and age.

It's almost as if the media had to choose between being sexist or racist. I wonder why being neutral wasn't one of their options. It is clear that the struggle is far from over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 04/28/2008

No. Hillary will not inspire a feminist revival.

There is too much flawed in Hillary to inspire much of anything.

If a female candidate on the national stage appears who has integrity, real ideas, likability and trust; (and who arrives on that stage due to her own personal accomplishments rather than the accomplishments of the man in her life) THAT candidate might inspire a feminist renewel . Its not going to happen over Hillary.

Hillary's largest problems are not related to gender issues. It might be comforting for her to think so but her problems go much deeper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 04/28/2008

I think that a reason for the ridicule of such things as dress, tears and cackle is that all of it is extremely calculated and not one bit extemporaneous...just like every thing the woman has done since leaving the White House...every breath was aimed at waltzing to the nomination...it has nothing to do with sexism, except that she is female...suppose that Romney (another calculating image driven indivdual IMHO) were in her position exhibiting her demeanor...you don't think that the same issues would result in ridicule???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 04/28/2008

The day that women are equally represented in our political fabric can not come too soon. The ever increasing number of women in politics is one of the great successes of the feminist movement. However, supporting a candidate for reasons of gender (whether male of female) is short sighted to the extreme. For example, many of the female Republican members of congress would turn back the tide on Roe vs. Wade. This is all the more germane when choosing our president. While I have no doubt that a President Hillary Clinton would use her position to further women"s rights, is this the only issue that a candidate should be judged upon? Of course not. And would Obama be any less good?When making such an important decision we need to look at the whole candidate; and from my perspective, Hillary Clinton falls far short.

While the media"s sexism toward Hillary Clinton is undeniable, there is another side to the story that Jessica Wakeman's piece does not address. Hillary Clinton has repeatedly used her gender to cast herself as a victim on many occasions in this campaign. This is not the sort of "feminism" that I can be proud of. I have never seen this from Pelosi, Feinstein or Boxer, and even Margaret Thatcher never stooped to this level.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 04/28/2008

The real problem is that HRC is just a bad candidate and doesn't garner much respect. maybe it does show itself as anti-feminism, but you could also make the same argument for McCrotchety. The news/opinion coverage of him has been anti-agism (is that a term?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 04/28/2008

You, and many like you, missed the point and that is the frustration many of us feel. It DOES NOT MATTER whether Hillary is, in your opinion, a bad candidate or not. Would racism be all right if the candidate was Condi Rice????
Please, wake up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 04/28/2008

There's but a VERY fine line between sexism and feminism. It's the same for many of the anti-bigotry activists who devote themselves to identifying and destroying bigotry. Consider these questions:

1.) Do you listen more intently to a news report featuring someone of your "protected" stock (hillary in this case) than you do to reports not involving your protected (a murder, car accident, theft, etc.)?

2.) Do you listen more intently to ads that feature your protected stock (yes, hillary) than you do to those that aren't related to your protected (ads for auto parts, knives, bathroom cleaners, clothing, jewelry, etc.)?

3.) Do you end at least one sentence in every conversation you have with another person with, "... because I'm a [woman]"? (substitute "woman" for whatever group/trait/creed you're longing to protect)

4.) Do you keep a continuous, accurate count how many people of each group (men, women, transgenderists) get hired/promoted/bonus/fired? (doesn't factor in if this, in fact, is your job in human resources!)

If you answer "yes" to all of those, you are sexist (i.e. bigot). Call yourself "feminist" if you believe that it makes you sound less a sexist, but it doesn't change the fact that you're bigoted.

(continued...)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 04/28/2008

(continued from above...)

I think the author goes across the line in some respects. She and others have to come to grips with the fact that the media is NOT interested in reporting any more. The media is long dead. "News" has been replaced with the world-wide wrestling federation, OK? It's about selling advertising and making big money. It isn't PERSONAL!

Every one and every thing is fodder for their sensationalizing freak show; to be contorted for the "entertainment" of their targeted viewing market. To really fix the problem with the media, the FCC will have to shake it to its core - no easy task. No one is picking on women in general or specifically in the media - they are trying to get ratings, period, end of story. No one nor group is immune to it's abuses. In other words, it's NOT "...because I am a [label of aggrieved party]."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 04/28/2008

Hillary Clinton like her husband is a proven LIAR!!!!!

Sexism has nothing to do with not wanting this particular woman to be President.

Your accusations are ludicrous. How many times will Hillary send her surrogates like you out to churn out more of this drivel. This is so old already!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 04/28/2008

Like Jessica Wakeman, I am an Obama supporter. And like her I recognize the misogyny that has been a big part of the coverage of Clinton. As an Obama supporter, I do not have to scan every blog to determine if it is pro- or anti- my candidate. While I believe some of the coverage of Hillary is sexist, that doesn't mean she deserves to be President or even has a stronger case to be President. Nor does it mean the coverage of Obama has been fair.

There is a tendency on blogs (progressive or otherwise) to reflexively pigeonhole every writer without regard to the full argument and its context. You have fallen in that trap by assuming she is a Clinton supporter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 04/28/2008

ANywho, do you even bother to read??? THe woman is an Obama supporter who already voted for Obama. If you dont see blantant sexism in the coverage or in our country then you are blind, my friend. And I'm a male, and I see it. 1 in 5 females in the US are sexually assaulted in some way before the age of 24. Sit around with your buddies having a few beers and just count how many times woman are degraded or belittled or joked about or treated like a piece of meat or treated as a lower form of the human race. It's really an eye opener when you actually start to pay attention to it. I think most men who aren't sexist and even many woman, have gotten so used to it, then they don't even see it, it's become an accepted act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 04/28/2008

You've missed the point of the article entirely. The media coverage of Hillary has been inherently sexist, irrespective of her perceived "electability". The author is an outspoken Obama supporter, so her dog in this fight has nothing to do with Hillary's character, but everything to do with the characterization of Hillary.

You have your opinion of her as a PERSON, that's true, but there's more to this perception than simply value-judgments. I wish HuffPo had been reviewed in this forum, because the number of blatantly misogynistic and sexist comments made about Hillary deserve to be exposed. Not because it lends credibility to her as a candidate, but because they demonstrate clearly the continued uphill climb women face in their efforts for both equality AND respect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 04/28/2008

Yes there is some sexism, and unlike a lot of the racism Obama faces the sexism seems to trancsend age differences.

However, this is not why Hillary Clinton is losing. So please Clintonites find another straw to grasp.

Obama has faced racism and will continue in the general. A fact of life.

Mccain is going to have to deal with ageism.

The facts are that all these candidates have faced discrimination of different levels and Mccain and Obama have overcome and risen above them. Hillary Clinton has openly played the victim and ran a poorly managed campaign. That's the difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 AM on 04/28/2008

I think it's unfortunate that you didn't read the post or are calling Jessica a liar, because she isn't a Clintonite, she voted for Obama. If you read my past comments you'll find that I voted for John Edwards in my primary (NH) but am now an Obama supporter. That doesn't mean that I agree with low blow sexist tactics used against Hillary any more than I agree with low blow racist tactics used against Obama and especially coming from so called Democrats, liberals, and/or progressives.

I do agree with you that sexism or misogyny isn't the reason why Clinton is losing. Shes run a horrible campaign and the race baiting is traced directly back to her campaign while the sexism is mostly from the MSM and the public in general. The only thing that is likely sexist from Obama is the "periodically feeling down" statement. Clinton's negatives are due to her lies and her dirty tactics and that of surrogates like Bill, Ferraro, Bob Johnson, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 04/28/2008

That Clinton could lose 11 contests in a row, have no mathematical chance to win the nomination, and still be treated by the media like a viable candidate is the real joke. Meanwhile, they lap up Clinton talking points like dogs.

My advice to you as a feminist, and I say this with all due respect and as a minority who has dealt with racism by the ton, is to suck it up.

Seriously, my grandfather dropped out of school when he was 12 and lied about his age when he was 15 to join the Navy because the depression was on and he needed the work. We should save our tears for the people who have suffered real injustice and not spend them on offenses to our delicate sensibilities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 AM on 04/28/2008

That Clinton could lose 11 contests in a row, have no mathematical chance to win the nomination
==========

Obama connot "mathematically" win the nomiation either.

Why is that so hard to get?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 04/28/2008

inaccurate and irrelevant to the question of media coverage bias which was the thesis of the op, work on your reading comprehension

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 AM on 04/30/2008

Obama has no mathematical possiblility to win the nomination EITHER.

Why dont you get that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 04/28/2008

While neither Obama or Clinton will reach the needed elected delegates to secure the nomination (without the Superdelegates); the primary is actually won by the person who received the most delegates. For some time now Obama"s lead in elected delegates has been next to insurmountable: Clinton needing more than 70 percent of the remaining elected delegates in the remaining primaries to become even with Obama. Like it or not, this just will not happen. At the end of the primary process Obama will still have a significant lead in the elected delegates, and HRC"s only recourse will be convincing the Supers that Obama is unelectable (a truly pathetic campaign strategy). The delegate count is the ONLY metric that counts.

Why don't you get this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 04/28/2008

No, a candidate must have the requisite majority of delegates in order to claim the nomination. Neither will have this, so deeming a delegate lead as the "only" metric that counts is really just a way for Obama to claim a win where none exists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 04/28/2008

When I pointed out the sexism in this article - Huff decided not to post it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 04/28/2008

Yes. I fully agree with the contents of the article. I wonder how people could go so low as to malign Lady Clinton with what not like witch, bitch, baby eater.......... etc. Womenfolk ! you at alst have a qualified & competitive candidate & do not loose this oppurtunity to make first female president & get much delayed justice. Actually as you constitute half of society you shd have ideally got half of the toral presidents that USA has produced but you are still with round zero. Get energised more & help your gender candidate win the election of the nominee for dem. party& make history. Good luck to the female gender this time. Engineer Ram Bahadur K.C. A male from the dev country/from the land of Mt. Everest & Lord Buddha. email : kcengg@hotmail.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 04/28/2008

A. You convey a sexist opinion.
B: Hillary is not qualified. Prove it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 AM on 04/28/2008

Those are the Republicans, sir. Once she eliminates obama, they will eliminate her, by the kind of words and tactics you write about. And unfortunately, and hopefully, the AA, above 50000 income, young and foolish, college educated , women younger then 50, smaller state citizens, western state citizens, caucus states citizens, will remember her nastiness and refuse to go vote for her, so she can win the presidency and defeat the republicans, without the support of the above mentioned ,unnecessary and useless, obamanites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 04/28/2008

Jessica, Please ask your parents what happened to front running Edmund Muskie when he teared up.
And also consider where any man who had Hillary's Bosnia experience would be now.

If you are looking for a woman to admire, try Benazir Bhutto. Read her book "Reconciliation" to see how a really admirable person thinks about politics and our world. If we had such a leader, the whole world would be better. If our government had helped her, that would have made a big difference too.
Consider what we might accomplish if we spent a third as much as we spend on needless war on helping others instead, others who are worse off than ourselves to gain a better chance.

But I'm glad to see folks my grandchildren's age and even younger taking an active interest in such matters. Maybe if more of mine had, things would be different now.
Thanks!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 04/27/2008

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.....

as Hillary likes to remind us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 04/27/2008

MizJ, you're right on target! Hillary's darned if she says it and darned if she doesn't. Since S.C., they've been accusing the Clintons of racism. Obama is not the "transcending" candidate of Hope. He's played the Race card from Day One. His co-chairman in Iowa, Jesse Jackson Jr. is on video saying: "Yah, for Obama it's not a natural thing like O.J. Simpson to knock down a White Woman!" You have to watch this to appreciate how the Obama Campaign had planned all along from Day 1 to force Hillary Clinton's campaign on the defensive and accuse her of racist remarks! Meantime, Obama sneakily and highschoolishly gives Hillary the "flip-off" in full view the day after debate in N.C. much to the delight of his equally immature 'cool' audience!