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Obama's Dilemma: To Debate Or Not Debate

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About Thomas B. Edsall

Thomas B. Edsall is the political editor of the Huffington Post. He is also Joseph Pulitzer II and Edith Pulitzer Moore Professor at the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism. From 1981 to 2006, he was a political reporter at the Washington Post. He is the author of Chain Reaction and Building Red America. Tom can be reached at edsall@huffingtonpost.com.


When writing a story about a disputed issue - should, for example, Barack Obama debate Hillary Clinton before the Indiana and North Carolina primaries -- a reporter often has a point of view, and sets about getting "quotes" from a variety of sources subtly tilted to arrive at the outcome he or she is seeking.

In this case, I am that reporter, and I believe that Obama should debate. It would be a gamble --a lousy performance would set the stage for possible defeat in November, or a loss of the nomination--but a win, especially in a wide open Lincoln-Douglas type debate, would stem the bleeding.

With that in mind, I set about making a series of inquiries. The initial results were not good.

First, Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute commented:

"I love the idea of a debate without moderators. But I can't see that it is in his interest to debate before Indiana and NC. This is his last best chance to end the nomination struggle relatively quickly. There is no real upside for him to debate now." (Italics mine.)

Tom Mann of Brookings, a competitor of Ornstein's for top dog in the commentariat, was even more declarative:

"No. He has nothing to gain from additional debates with Clinton. His strategy to connect his broad campaign message to alleviating the problems confronting ordinary Americans and to begin his campaign against McCain makes sense to me."

The same message came from my buddies in the GOP. Alex Castellanos, media mastermind in the campaigns of George W. Bush and Jesse Helms, said:

"Senator Clinton is winning the 4th quarter, but Senator Obama is still ahead for the game. Also, every time he touches the ball, it's a turnover: When is the last good press day Barack Obama had? Dean Smith of [basketball coach] and UNC Chapel Hill knew what to do: freeze the ball, chew up the clock. Four corners time. Every day there is no news is a victory for Barack Obama. Quit campaigning. Go be a senator."

Like Castellanos, Ron Kaufman, lobbyist and Republican National Committeeman, was a top adviser to the failed presidential bid of Mitt Romney. His view is similar to Castellanos':

"I would not if I were him. They have had 21 or so debates and [Obama] has won zero! And [he has] been hurt by a few of them -- not make-believe hurt."

At this point, I was preparing to write that the consensus of the crowd was wrong. But then I heard from the University of Virginia's Larry Sabato. Rarely has an academic been so brilliant:

"The standard political wisdom is that the frontrunner should use every opportunity to avoid giving the challenger free publicity. Obama is the frontrunner by far in delegates won and money raised, but thanks to Rev. Wright and a gaffe or two, he's a shaky frontrunner. At this point, he can probably insist on the nomination, given that the party cannot survive a break with the African-American community, the most reliable source of Democratic votes in November. But Obama needs to go into the convention and the fall campaign looking like a winner, with some real momentum. You don't get that by playing it safe and shrinking from challenges, whether [from] solutions to the Michigan and Florida situations or debate opportunities. It's a roll of the dice, but I think you can make a good argument that a dramatic Lincoln-Douglas style debate (or some other format) might enable him to break out of the timid image that is starting to define him, perhaps unfairly. Obama needs to come out roaring and swinging, not just at Clinton, but at McCain. In any additional debate he should pivot back and forth between Clinton and McCain, and show that he welcomes the chance to take them both on at once. After all, what can Hillary Clinton say in a debate that would do more damage to his image than Jeremiah Wright has just done?"

Sabato, it turned out, is not a lone voice in the wilderness. He was soon backed up by Simon Rosenberg, chief honcho at NDN (formerly the New Democratic Network) and political entrepreneur extraordinaire:

"If Senator Obama is to win he will need to once again set the pace in the Democratic race, rather than letting Senator Clinton set the tone and tenor of the race. I agree with Senator Obama that there have been plenty of debates, but in this case, at this time, his refusal to go along with Senator Clinton reinforces the notion that she is driving the campaign, leading the fight, and that he is off his game."
 
 

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Why debate when negotiations with Superdelegates paying handsome gains?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 04/30/2008

Hillary Clinton wants another debate because she wants the opportunity to spit in Obama's face, pull his hair, kick him in the groin and scratch his eyes. She wants to make sure the public understands she's vicious and despicable. Does anyone really doubt that?

It's so ironic that Hillary spent the years of the Bush Regime so quiet, so polite, so soft-spoken, nice and pleasant, a little happy face with a bottle-blonde wig. The neocons start a war of aggression and she politely says "Okay." They kidnap, torture, murder people, and she smiles and giggles and says "Okay." They suspend habeaus corpus, steal elections, stop black people from voting, and she says "Okay." And the worst of them all, Murdoch and Gingrich and Sciafe ask her to be their special friend, and she says "Okay."

It's too bad the mean, vicious and despicable side of Hillary has only been directed at another Democrat, not at her real friends, the Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 04/30/2008

The problem is that "O" knows he cannot win agains Hillary...and he is chickening out and that will reflect in Nov if in fact he is then the main person for the left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 04/30/2008

He's the front runner, chicken has nothing to do with it. If she was the front runner, she would'nt give him the time of day. Let her get over it and you get over it too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 04/30/2008

If she pay than you Play...otherwise forget it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 04/30/2008

No debate. Obama should just ignore her as a non-entity and focus his campaign against McCain. Hillary has already lost the nomination. She is dead as a candidate and just needs to lay down now. Obama giving her any attention is like propping up a corpse. Time for Obama to move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 04/30/2008

Should Obama debate Clinton.... AGAIN?? Only if he is well rested.
Btw....? About time Obama refuses to accept food or drink except from trusted people. I am with Rev. Wright in so far as we both agree not to put ANYTHING past certain sectors in America. Here is what real inquiring minds want to know: Go in through drug companies and tell us what the latest mood and mind altering drugs the CIA has access to. What is Lara Bush on for instance. G.W. Bush is not playing with a full deck either. What keeps them in their happy zone? Am i paranoid? Damn straight. Live long enough, pay attention, and you will be too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 04/30/2008

Maybe you're right about food and drink, Obama looked drugged yesterday, and he was stammering and stuttering and then he would just stop talking, like his mind wasn't working.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 04/30/2008

Yesterday Kentucky Congressman Ben Chandler had the courage to come out in support of Barack Obama, despite the long odds against him winning the state's primary. This was an embarrassment to the Hillary campaign that an elected SD would put the reputation with his own constituents at stake to support the candidate he believed would make the better candidate, president or both.

Today Representative Chandler is feeling the heat for this endorsement. According to Poltico Chandler's phone has been ringing off the hook since yesterday receiving numeros vitriolic complaints, many with offensive racial slurs, about his endorsement of Senator Obama. As of 2:30 PM yesterday, he had received 300 phone calls opposing his decision and only 5 calls in support.

We need to take action on this. Call Representative Chandler's office (especially if you are a Kentucky resident) and let him know that you support his decision to endorse the next President of the United States, Barack Obama!

You can donate too......Over $6500 raised from Obama supporters

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/30/10574/4557/136/506340

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 04/30/2008

TO: Senator Barack Obama April 30, 2008

First of all let me say Thank you to The Huffington Post for correcting the misunderstanding and letting me continue to make comments here. and to continue to Debate the issues. I appreciate deeply their upholding the Right to Debate and the Right of Freedom of Speech and the Lights of Human Rights. Clearly, I had evidence in my posts of saying their is good and bad in all religions post on April 15, 2008 in Clinton heckeld and Obama cheered over bitter remarks that I posted here.

We do have the Right to Debate as I was reading an article on this very subject from an English book and its point was that if you point up or bring up a new idea people will be afraid of this and not accept it. Yet, the aurhor's point is that what harm can the truth do. Truth will win out no matter what anyone says so we sholdn't be afraid to discuss opposite points of view or different ideas about life.

Eva Hart Christian In Army 62-70 670 Eddy St. Sfc 94109

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 04/30/2008

Face it, the whole concept of a Lincoln - Douglass style debate is NOT going to happen. It'll NEVER be aired, except maybe on CSpan. There's no commercial value in it, it can't be Infotainmentized to make the MSM vast profits by using set up questions about bullshit. The MSM corporate masters have NO interest what so ever in a REAL debate. It's just boreing to them... no money in it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 04/30/2008

The debates are a joke. Hillary's just going to throw some more mean ass diverting crap out there. She's about as phony as Bush is, I don't understand why she has a following at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 04/30/2008

Twenty one debates are enough. Debates do not accomplish anything except ratings fro self-interested propagandists; talkingheads for networks and of course, giving Hillary the appearance of still being competitive with Senator Obama in a race that is already over. They serve nothing except as a platform for her to throw mud at him. We do not need them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 04/30/2008

The issue is not what the media wants relative to another debate between Obama and Hillary, its what the voters want. As a voter, I have had enough of debates and so-called debates! !!! I have memorized the Candidates' answers to questions about matters that are of concern to me. I have had enough of "old, 20th century" political games and I want somebody to start challenging McCain who thinks "a lot of progress for the American peple has been made during the past 7-1/2 years!!! Every aspect of my daily living has been negatively impacted during this same period--sky-rocking increases in healthcare and decline in quality of services, for those of us who happen to have coverage; increases in utilities, gas at the pump;,postages; public transportation; childcare; pollution of our air and water ;increase in our food costs; education issues; the housing crises; and, there also has been an increase in waste, fraud and abuse in our governmnet, at home and abroad (the wars). Recall the number of high-level and mid-level government officials'who resigned during the past 7-1/2 years due to unethical behavior in their positions of public trust; as well in those in corporate America!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/30/2008

I can see your point, why have a debate when your mind is made up. For Obama the question is mathematical. Does he stand to win more votes by debating than he will lose by not debating. For him the additional calculus is whether he could face up to Hillary in a one on one debate? If Obama believes he has the Nomination sewed up, he won't debate. If he feels it's slipping away he may be forced to debate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 04/30/2008

The question is WHY is Hillary screaming for more debates? What is her motive? Hillary, seems to forget that she refused to debate Mark McMahon, during the New York primary back in 2000. Also, Hillary refused to debate her antiwar challenger Jonathon Tasini, back in 2006. Jonathon, wanted to debate her on her Iraq war vote, and Hillary refused. She also completely ignored him. The Democratic candidates have already made history by having 21 debates in a primary. If Hillary couldn't get her platform/agenda out after 21 debates, then something is either wrong with the messenger or the message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 04/30/2008

Ok, is this a trick question?

She wants more debates because she does better at debates than does Obama. His better mode is the campaign speech. And your point about 21 debates ignores the issue of viewership of those debates, most, especially the initial ones, drew very small audiences. Plus, having a debate with 7 or 8 or 9 candidates is quite different than the one on one being proposed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 04/30/2008

Hilldabeast wants another debate because she wants a repeat of the GOTCHA debate they just had.

Obama would be nuts to go for yet another debate. Especially one where the format, tacticts, and questions are ALL taken from right wing, Hillary supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 04/30/2008

Another debate will give the newsies days of hash, but is unlikely to be informative.

Clinton will demonstrate, again, her essential meanness, with a series of facts and near facts. She'll show, again, that her preferred mode of governance is battle, not leadership.

She'll hammer home that a Clinton administration would be more gridlock; she cannot carry enough congressional Democrats into office to pass programs we desperately need.

Obama will again be seen thinking in public (the horror), sifting down through his thoughts while he fills in with an "uh" or five. His answers won't be canned and will be honest, but, gosh, we'll have to wait for them. He'll be working, in the face of various slaps upside the head, to articulate a new kind of politics.

Newsies will attack on their notions of presentation, rather than on the issues--the new journalism. Debate journalism is about scoring points on obscure high school rules of debate, rather than examining ideas. It sells, but is not helpful and utterly snubs the reason we have a free (corporate owned) press.

Debates are not the best forum for Obama's getting his ideas out, so why should he participate, again? It's not really Clinton's best forum, but it serves her preference for attack, setting the shiv with a smile.

Enough with debates. Let the newsies get on a bus or a plane and cover the candidates in local venues. Give the seats in convention halls a rest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 04/30/2008

This article was almost as bad as the Hillary supporters dressed as chickens outside of an Obama campaign headquarters in Indiana. Obama could gain no more if he had yet another debate with Hillary. He could only stand to lose. No matter the outcome of the debate Hillary would be claiming victory, no matter what. Much the same way she claims the lead in the popular vote.

How Obama becomes measured by the actions and words of Rev. Wright has more to do with the obsession the msm has than it has to do with the american people. Hillary is in the middle of a law suit in California (clintonVspaul) and there has not been one source from the msms who thinks this is news worthy. Who has put the GAG ORDER on the msm, the judge or the CLINTONS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 04/30/2008

He doesn't have to waste his time debating Clinton. It's a no win situation. She cannot be trusted and will throw mud at him, he will need to defend and won't throw mud at her, that's why he shouldn't do it. He has absolutely nothing to gain. He should stay focused on issues and McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/30/2008

At this point and after 21 debates, why should he debate. The moderators are only looking for gossip and not the issues. Plus they are so bias that the issues will not be debated. After the last debate and how they jumped all over Obama and let Hillary get off light. Hillary cannot be trusted, she is a liar. Rev. Wright does not speak for Obama, Hillary speaks for Hillary and she lied. She voted for the war, she was in favored of Nafta, she had closed meetings regarding health care and never enlighten people.
We need change and not the Washington politics that Hillary has the experience and will not bring change or solutions. I support Obama, voters push for fairness from the media and not all of this bias reporting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 04/30/2008

no more debates. vote against authoritarianism. obama 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 04/30/2008

Why another debate between the Democrats? We've heard their differences. Hillary just wants to feel like she's in control because debating is her strong suit. But it won't serve the Democrats any good.

Besides, Obama is the Road Runner to Hillary's Wile E. Coyote... She can't catch up. And Bill, well, he's ACME, all ideas that look good on paper, but once implemented just come down like a big rock on poor Hillary... uh, er Wile...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 04/30/2008

Good one. :^D

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 04/30/2008

I do not believe that yet another debate would be good for EITHER candidate at this point. The reason to that is two folds.

1. Insofar as Senator Obama is concerned, and just stating the obvious, the issue is not so much about the idea of yet another debate, but, more to the point, about the way Senator Clinton is attempting to set the agenda and the tone of the campaign by throwing this into Senator Obama"s face as a challenge as if he had to prove himself yet again and again and again. Senator Clinton has been behaving like quite a bully to that regard, and it would be a mistake on Obama"s part to create the perception that he is easily pushed around and that the Clinton campaign is in charge and in control of the agenda here. Furthermore, I do not think that Senator Obama"s understanding of the issues nor his ability to handle himself in a debate is something that still needs to be demonstrated. Barack Obama is not Dan Quayle, nor is he a little boy, and he shouldn"t allow his political rival to treat him like one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/30/2008

2. Insofar as Senator Clinton is concerned, as I said it previously somewhere else, I sincerely believe that the past debates have been reflecting poorly on her character and done her more harm than good, overall. So why would Senator Clinton want to subject herself to more of the same is unclear to me. I think people have some fairly good idea of who she is by now. Her opportunistic attempt at besmearing her political opponent through innuendo and insinuations (instead of doing the right thing in those matters) have been blatant (especially in the last ABC debate) and made her appear as less than honorable and her credibility has suffered as a result. Of course, another debate showing some real effort on Senator Clinton"s part to focus on the issues might help redeem that image, but it is possibly too little too late...

¦ and, in any case, why should Senator Obama still trust her? Everytime the Clinton campaign tells Barack Obama to jump, is the proper response for Senator Obama to respond "how high?" Not this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 04/30/2008

One answer to whether to debate or not........


21

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 04/30/2008

4 that is all the 2 have debated dear

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 04/30/2008

No need to debate. She'll only start asking those "Have you stopped beating your wife?" questions. Then when Obama hesitates to answer (and he has to answer), the MSM will say she won the debate and that he can't stand to "tough" questions, etc, etc. Also, she would like for him to descend to her level of politics, so that even if he "wins", he still lsoes as she can say.."See, he's just like me!!"

NO DEBATE!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 04/30/2008

Besides, the debates are so unfair to Barak. He can't use his teleprompter and has to actually think about what he says.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 04/30/2008

The question is WHY is Hillary screaming for more debates? What is her motive? Hillary, seems to forget that she refused to debate Mark Mchahon, during the New York primary back in 2000. Also, Hillary refused to debate her antiwar challenger Jonathon Tasini, back in 2006. Jonathon, wanted to debate her on her Iraq war vote, and Hillary refused. She also completely ignored him. The Democratic candidates have already made history by having 21 debates in a primary. If Hillary couldn't get her platform/agenda out after 21 debates, then something is either wrong with the messenger or the message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 04/30/2008

I need to correct Mark's last name. His last name is McMahon. We are still questioning why Hillary desparately needs to debate Barack. She lined up her surrogates, yesterday, protesting for a debate, outside of Barack's main headquaters in downtown Indianapolis. Some were dressed in chicken attire (holding debate signs), and she rented a chickenmobile.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 04/30/2008

frightened little obama lovers give cowardly advice--what pathetic little creatures you left wingers are--afraid your little black candidate can't hold his own with a women!!! what would he do against a man!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 04/30/2008

ddr4Will, I find your rhetoric silly and childish. The only thing that frightens me about your comment is your willingness to make fun of and name call,like Rev. Wright has lately when he's gone off the deep end, . I guess you like to polarize people with negative and racist remarks. I find you to be someone with alot to learn about life, such as civility and a mature sense of yourself in relation to others who don't necessarily agree with you. GROW UP!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 04/30/2008

We have watched Hillary Clinton show her rear 21 times and quite frankly I do not know anyone who is interested in watching it one more time. Who are you referring to as a man, surely not "flip flop" Mc Cain. You use the word "little" a lot. Is that self descriptive or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 04/30/2008

"little black candidate"

Rings racist in my ears. Hope I'm wrong.

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