Two Years After the Big Immigrants Rights Marches, Where Do Things Stand?

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On May 1, 2006 millions of immigrants and their supporters took to the streets in 140 cities in 39 states across the United States as part of a wave of mass marches that spring in repudiation of extreme anti-immigrant legislation, passed by Republicans in the House of Representatives. The vast size and scope of the mobilization was stunning. And not only did it mortally wound the far-right Republican initiative, it led some of us to think we might be seeing the birth of an important new movement.

Yet, as we look back two years later, it is hard to say things have improved. In 2007 Congress failed to agree on any meaningful immigration reforms. That failure created policy drift and a myopic focus on border barrier construction and stepped up workplace raids. To make matters worse, the legislative impasse has encouraged a withering barrage of anti-immigrant laws at the state and city level.

Some of the worst state and local anti-immigrant measures recently passed are constitutionally suspect and may eventually be voided in the courts. Nevertheless, whether it is criminal penalties for illegally holding a job (Mississippi), denial of services to undocumented migrants (Prince William, VA), discriminatory housing laws (Hazleton, PA, and Farmers Branch, TX), or local police (Maricopa County, AZ, and Irving, TX) who track immigrants and find pretexts to arrest and then deport them: the message of rejection is clear. Meanwhile, this official sanctioning of prejudice is being echoed in what the FBI reports is a spike of hate crimes against Latinos nationwide.

As recession deepens its bite on the U.S., the sponsors of anti-immigrant laws and ordinances are succeeding by playing on widespread economic insecurity and the false perception that immigrants hurt local economies. In fact, as University of California Law Professor, Bill Hing has painstakingly documented, U.S. communities that have absorbed new immigrant populations in recent decades have seen incomes and opportunities rise more quickly than communities with no such immigrant influx. Just last year the town of Riverside, NJ passed and then quickly repealed anti-immigrant statutes when the local business complained immigrants were leaving and they were losing essential customers.

The root cause of accelerating immigration from Mexico and Central America -- the source of more than 80% of our undocumented population -- is the stunning opportunity and wage gap. Jobs are scarce in Mexico, but even a fully employed worker will earn only about a tenth of what a comparable worker earns in the United States. NAFTA -- which was supposed to deliver wage equalization and reduced migration pressures -- has instead brutally squeezed Mexico's poorest workers and pushed millions onto the migrant trail. A recent Washington Post estimate says as many as 600,000 Mexicans will attempt the trek this year.

For better or for worse, migration has become an essential component of the North American economy. It is not something that can be stopped by fences or punitive laws.

Whoever moves into the White House next year will be faced with the question of whether and how to reopen the immigration debate, but on the campaign trail the candidates will likely treat immigration like the political hot potato it is. But let's hope not. Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have endorsed the idea of renegotiating NAFTA, specifically pointing to labor rights and environmental protection. If the candidates are serious about opening NAFTA to review, they will also have an opportunity to reframe the immigration debate in common sense economic terms.

As part of NAFTA renegotiation we should both push and help Mexico to invest major public resources in productive projects aimed at stabilizing and even repopulating economically broken communities. Rather than raiding American businesses in search of unauthorized workers, federal resources should be used to help re-train American workers displaced by the same forces of globalization that have made Mexico's communities come unglued. A candidate bold enough to suggest actually doing something to stem immigration by tackling its roots would be taking a risk, but by their willingness to talk about solutions rather than rely on free trade panaceas they could dramatically -- and positively -- change the character of an otherwise increasingly ugly debate.

During the great immigrant rights marches of 2006 people who prepare America's meals, care for America's children and elderly, pick America's crops, and build America's houses stepped from the shadows for a day in the sun. In 2008, there will be similar marches in 60 cities all over the nation. Let's make sure it was not all in vain.

Dr. Gabriela Lemus is the Executive Director of the Labor Council for Latin American Advancement (LCLAA). Hector E. Sanchez is the Mexico-DC Policy Education Coordinator for Global Exchange

 
 

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Two pages of posts the elephant in the room ignored yet again:

The Drug Cartels, the guys who have purchased the government of Mexico. the guys who own the border, on both sides. The guys responsible for all those billions in untraceable cash deposits
in American banks in California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.

The guys spending millions and millions of dollars on propaganda designed to elicit sympathy
for the poor Mexican immigrants. It is a horrible game.

Want to keep illegals illegal, poor and exploitable? Then keep the borders open.


Want to improve Mexico and America as well as the plight of low-wage workers in both countries?


SEAL THE BORDER!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 05/04/2008

Here's where we stand: Illegal immigration is being used by corporations and medium-sized business owners to destroy fair wages for American citizens and legal immigrants. No more and no less. As a result, it must be stopped.

Are you aware that Ceasar Chavez was opposed to hiring illegal and legal immigrants as Farm Workers in California the 1960's. Why? Because they were being used to destroy fair wages for Mexican-American workers who were US citizens.

Learn from it. America was built on immigration and will continue to benefit from it. Illegal immigration will lower the standard of living for the vast majority. Also, it's time the Mexican govt. and business community did more to better the lives of their own people, instead of encouraging them to storm the US border.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 05/03/2008

Its hard for the Mexican government to improve conditions in Mexico, when money from the Mexican economy is being sucked out of the country in the form of IMF and other international loan interest. US companies, including Walmart, Ford and Coca-Cola, huge massive stakes in the Mexican economy, and do you actually think that they are lobbying the Mexican government to raise minimum wage and better labor conditions, or to keep the status quo? And then there is NAFTA, where companies win international contracts based ONLY on a question of price. Without sufficient labor laws or environmental laws, the quickest way to cut costs in Mexico is to cut labor costs. NAFA gives Mexico every incentive to break labor laws, and none to improve them.

Between our loans, our multi-national corporations, and our trade agreements, we give Mexico no incentive to raise the standard of living of its own company and we put every pressure possible on it to maintain the status quo (a minimum wage of 4.50 a DAY, not enough to buy food to feed one person on the Mexican market).

Its easy to blame the Mexican government, but we do nothing to encourage it to change its ways. We, the US and its corporate allies, are part of the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 05/04/2008

Another column by those that can't figure out the difference between illegal aliens and immigrants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 05/03/2008

I hope they are standing closer to the borders from where they came

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 05/03/2008

We have a route to Citizenship in this country--It's called Legal Immigration. And when enforced, has worked well for over 100 years.

But if the goal. especially among the elites and intellingentsia that rule both our countries, and that these two gentleman surely represent, is to advance the idea of The North American Union, then what better way to ease our transition into One State, than by flooding America with foreigners?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 05/02/2008

You have clearly no knowledge of our broken immigration system. There is no legal way for many of these workers to come here. If there were, the US government would have a system whereby people came in here to work in jobs where they are needed after that employer has adequately tested the US job market and proven they have tested the market for qualified workers. Prevailing wage would be enforced and working conditions would improve. Instead, we have a system that, in fact, encourages illegality with ungodly long waits even in rare instances when there is a legal way to immigrate. If you think the people who are here in undocumented status enjoy it, think again. I work with them to try to find a solution every day. Their citizen spouses and children suffer also because the law is so punitive, we cannot fix their status and bring them back legally. It is tragic.
As for your comment about "flooding America with foreigners" I guess you are Native American, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 05/02/2008

Actually you're wrong. There is a way. It's called apply for a work visa or apply for citizenship. Just because they don't want to do it doesn't mean there isn't a way. And for your information employers DO test the job markets for American workers and guess what? Employers can disqualify American workers just because they won't accept the wages the employer offers. Even if it IS the prevailing wage. So nice try. Been there. Done that. It doesn't work. If they don't like their status then they can go back. Try fixing your OWN country instead of ruining ours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 AM on 05/03/2008

You can't apply for the first step for citzenship, a residents card, unless you meet one of the three conditions:
1) have an immediate relative who is a US citizen who will sponsor you
2) have a advanced university degree in the area of science or technology and a US employer willing to sponsor you
3) be from a refugee designated country like Cuba, where you are handed a green card the second you get to the US.

A poor Honduran/Mexican immigrant, who comes from conditions every bit as bad as Cuba, cannot be a refugee, probably has no means of attaining an advanced degree, and if they don't have a mother/father/son/brother who is a US citizen, they have NO means even applying for citzenship or US residency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 05/04/2008

All ILLEGAL ALIENS should be deported, those who hire ILLEGALS should be heavily fined, and we should return to the original intent of the 14th amendment and do away with anchor babies. We spend BILLIONS to provide health care and an education to people who don't belong here. We need to use this money on our own poor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 05/02/2008

You have not been invited to the American picnic, amigos.

Go home, rid yourselves of the ruling families that have made your lives miserable for so long and limit your family size. Take pride in your own nation by making the changes for a better Mexico. You are the pioneer stock of Mexico, those with the highest energy level. Those left behind in Mexico need that energy to bring about the necessary changes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 05/02/2008

The US is part of the problem in Mexico. Our companies (Walmart, Coca-Cola, Ford, etc..) have a huge part in their economy, and their lobbying the goverment to maintain the horrific minimum wage of 4.50 a day, and look the other way as they themselves break Mexican labor laws. Then there are our trade agreements, NAFTA forces companies to compete soley on the basis of costs, and the quickest way to cut costs in a country with weak labor laws like Mexico, is to cut labor costs by any means necessary, this leads to poor salaries, no sick leave, unpaid overtime, etc.. And even if Mexico has a decent environmental protection law, NAFTA invalidats any local environmental law that effects "competitiveness", so who cares if Mexican villiges are polluted by heavy metal waste?

Its easy to blame the Mexican government. But where is the pressure from the US for the Mexican government to provide for its people? There is none. And our multi-national corporations and trade policies put the opposite pressure on Mexico. We pressure Mexico to keep its people in obscene poverty, and then act indignant and suprised when they flee the horrific conditions we helped create.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 05/04/2008

Well said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 05/02/2008

It is disappointing to read nothing relating to Mexico"s responsibility for the plight of its own people.

The genesis of the illegal immigration problem is in Mexico, with its history of corrupt plutocracies and an economy controlled by monopolies and/ or oligopolies. As long as the
pure- or semi- pure blood Spaniards within Mexico"s elite ruling class exploit its own people " with the help of Dr. Lemus and Mr. Sanchez"s silence " the feudal poor of Mexico will remain downtrodden.

This is NOT the United States fault or responsibility.

Last year there were 10 Mexicans among the world"s 1062 billionaires. Second on Forbes" List is Carlos Slim Helu of Mexicio City. Many of Mexico"s billionaires were created by the government during the privatization of state-owned companies in the 1990s. But, Dr. Lemus and Mr. Sanchez say nothing about the Mexican government"s culpability to the vast extremes of wealth and poverty among its people.

The temerity and misconceived immigration reform demands by activists like Dr. Lemus and Mr. Sanchez is why I will vote against more open borders and ammnesity. I amfor LEGAL immigration, but I do not believe the US owes or should allow infinite numbers of Mexicans to cut in line simply because of shared borders.

What is preventing millions of Mexicans from marching in the cities of Mexico and demanding increased opportunity and higher wages?

And, what, Dr. Lemus and Mr. Sanchez, is preventing you from demanding the Mexican government take responsbility for its own people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 05/02/2008

The best, most coherent strategy I've encountered for dealing with illegal (and legal) immigration issues recently was put forth on AlterNet by Joshua Holland:

http://www.alternet.org/immigration/83898/

I believe his title states the central theme quite well: "Want to Win the Immigration Debate? Start Talking About Illegal Jobs". Well thought out and well written; check it out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 05/02/2008

"For better or for worse, migration has become an essential component of the North American economy. It is not something that can be stopped by fences or punitive laws."

Not so. If there were strict penalties against employers who employ illegal immigrants, so that they could not find jobs, they would not come.

And the last thing the United States needs in the age of high technology is additional unskilled labor. All the additional unskilled illegal immigrants do is to drive down the wages of American unskilled workers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 05/02/2008

The blame for this illegal immigration situation can be apportioned thus:

Number 1 culprit: the Mexican oligarchy. Mexico is a large country, rich in natural resources, with a young and relatively well educated population. Yet the corrupt, exploitative, Mexican ruling class has simply no regard for their less fortunate compatriots except when they are out of the country, living in the U.S. as they can use the plight of the undocumented as a tool to whip up the masses into a nationalistic fervor: "Our fellow Mexicans are having their rights violated in the U.S., etc." It's an escape valve for them. They don't mention the fact that they themselves have no regard whatsoever for the Mexicans in Mexico-they're willing to let them starve, be underemployed, etc. "Candil de la calle, oscuridad de su casa"...

Number 2: the other Latin American oligarchies. Pretty much the same deal as number 1.

Number 3: the two parties in the U.S. Democrats want constituents and [many Democrats] want cheap labor for their corporate clients. The GOP just wants cheap labor for their corporate clients.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 05/02/2008

"Our fellow Mexicans are having their rights violated in the U.S., etc." It's an escape valve for them.
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Yes, it is a form of political distraction--and it reminds me of how most of the Arab nations in the Gulf use the Palestinians. No one talks about how much more they suffer in Syria or other bordering countries that after nearly 60 years have still not allowed them to be assimilated or treated as human beings. If we want this problem with Mexico to be changed for the better, the changes should start there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 05/06/2008

Legal immigrant rights and services and opportunities YES,,,,, punishment and deportation for the illegal immigrants yes....It is not prejudice and bigotry to want the criminals to leave ....and in this slow period of the economy (sorry libs , no recession) The legal citizens are suffering becasue the illegals are using the resource3s... We would have no problem with healthcare if it wre not for the Illegals... And no more anchor babies...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 05/02/2008

Here's a novel idea...instead of trying to "reform immigration polcy" why don't we try enforcing the existing laws? If we find they need to be adjusted, then we make adjustments. You can't enforce laws that are being ignored by throwing more laws and legislation at them.

As far as amnesty for people who are here illegally...no way!!! If they came here in an unlawful way, what makes you think they'll abide by the laws once they're here?

I live in Prince William County Virginia and before they started cracking down my neighborhood was a sesspool. We had numerous drug busts, raids on whorehouses, and multitudes of the most rude and inconsiderate people you'd care to meet. They threw their trash all over, blared their music at all hours of the day and night...both in the house and in their vehicles; and literally destroyed the neighborhood. Since the crackdown things are much better. The bad element has cleared out and respectable families (hispanic, white and black) are moving back.

With all I've experienced over the last 4-5 years no one can tell me that illegals are good for this country. Those who migrate lawfully certainly, but not illegals.

GO PWC!! HANG TOUGH AND KEEP RIGHT ON CLEARING OUT THE TRASH! The majority of us support you and want the influx of illegals to stop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 05/02/2008

"The root cause of accelerating immigration from Mexico and Central America -- the source of more than 80% of our undocumented population -- is the stunning opportunity and wage gap."

Exactly. Then the question you must address: is that wage gap worth protecting? In other words, is the American lifestyle and standard of living worth protecting? The business lobbies who are funding the lobbies of immigration "reform" want to lower wages, with the added advantage of these lower paid workers will be more pliant to employer abuse. Also, since the wages being depressed and the workers being displaced are disproportionately those of minority Americans, especially Latinos, aren't these Bush/business backed "reforms" objectively racist? Yes, they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 05/02/2008

I come from a community that was hit by immigration. My wages have gone down, jobs have disappeared and the people's bitterness and inclination towards racism has increased. Where is the benefit? The jobs being done by the new cheaper labor force did not come from thin air. They came from the lower class Americans; the very people that the Dems are suppose to champion. If the liberals were in charge of assimilating these people into our culture, I could handle that. But they are being socialized by a corporate media with egocentricity and violent content in abundance. Adrenaline junkie movies.

It would be interesting to really see how many landscapers, tile setters, roofers, etc were negatively effected by this. Probably enough to turn the tide in a close election, but not enough to offset the anger of Latino voters. Catch22. I would like to do right by the world, but my heart bleeds no more. When the other cheek gets struck, we tend to wake up. Mexico isn't as poor as people think. The people of Mexico are, but not the government and elite. The answer is pressure on them, not opening our doors wide. If I lived in Mexico i would certainly be trying to come here, so I don't blame them. But the wolves are at my door and that trumps everything else.

Welcome to the UnBleeding Heart Liberal Movement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 05/02/2008

Mexican people pressure their government all the time. Oaxacan teachers were on strike without pay for over six months last year, trying to obtain better working conditions, instead federal troops were called in and they were shot at. After the election, low income supporters of the losing populist candidate took over the Zocolo in Mexico city for weeks, nothing changed. The Mexican government doesn't listen to its own people, it listens to american $$$.

We are Mexico's biggest trading partner, responsible for 60% of its international trade. And we turn a blind eye as Mexican corporation and our OWN corporations in Mexico (Walmart, Coca-Cola, Ford, etc), break ever labor law and environmental law in Mexico. Our corporations lobby Mexico to keep wages low. Our trade agreements encourage Mexican corporations to cut costs by any means necessary, and these means are usually impoverishing workers and endangering their lives.

The US is part of the problem, not the solution. There is no pressure from the US to get Mexico to raise its wages, NONE, ZERO. And while we pressure Mexico to maintain its unlivable status quo, we get outraged as people flee from blue collar wages between 4.50 and 8.00 a day, which is not enough to buy food in Mexico.

Its easy to blame Mexico, while we encourage it to keep its people in poverty. Priceless hypocracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 05/04/2008

Keep your Senators informed on how you feel so we can get reasonable laws to get rid of illegal immigrants. Keep up the pressure!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 05/02/2008

Democrats (Obama/Hillary) won't touch illegal immigration with a 10 foot pole, too many voters to lose. McCain and bush don't care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 05/02/2008

Now my personal thoughts on the matter, is that I can see where my family comes from. I think they have valid points. I understand this country is built on immigrants. Each and every wave paid their dues in one way or another.

Therefore I don't support completely closing the border, however I do support creating immigration legislation that promotes several things:

1) Assimilation into the fundamentals of being an American: Freedom of speech, press, religion, Innovation, work ethic, etc. That they understand why our constitution and the ideas contained within are the foundation to all they opportunities they are now open to.

2) Military and/or civil service to this country should put them on the fast track to citizenship. If they are willing to give and fight for it, they should be able to vote and access to all the benefits.

3) English please. I don't care what you speak at home or what you speak between your friends in public. But you MUST learn English for one basic reason: We are ruled by law, and those laws are written in English. Some of them are hard enough to interpret in one language, evident by the fact we have an entire branch of government defined by the constitution with the task of interpreting laws. Adding more languages in this country only makes the rule of law infinitely more difficult. This is a real and very practical problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 05/02/2008

Oh Really? Just check out how many hospitals have closed in california because of the non paying people flooding the emergency rooms.Thats good for everyone right?And the school system that is overburdened to the point that the kids are stuck in trailors with decades old books{and when they get new books the illigal immigrant kids walk away WITH THE NEW BOOKS,because they move so frequently,and leave the rest of the kids having to SHARE BOOKS.That is what happened in my sons school 5 years ago and why I moved out of california.I couldnt take it any more.No country can take the influx of millions of poor uneducated people,especially when we have millions of our own poor.Its very sad that we dont have the resourses to care for evryone on the planet but it is a fact.And since Mexico for one is such a rich country that they cant take care of their own people is a disgrace!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 05/02/2008

Mexicans are sending home $200,000,000 less each month than they were last year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 05/02/2008

I come for a very heavy immigrant family, which most of those members SUPPORT building a fence. In fact, the staunchest support for tough immigration laws I have seen comes from _legal_ immigrants within my own family.

Sound hypocritical? Sound Racist? At first maybe. However if you get them talking - this is their reasoning behind it (and I do my best job to paraphrase here):

1) They paid their dues and did it legally, so should every other immigrant.

2) They came to America because they believed in America first. They expect to give back to America.

3) What they find most disturbing is their perception that the current immigrants don't value America. America is giving them opportunity, but they don't wave the American flag - they wave their home counties' flag - the country that held them down. They find this MOST disturbing of all.

4) Speak English and assimilate into this society. To them, learning to speak English is the number one way to assimilate. Why do they think they should assimilate? Because this society is the one that offers the opportunities immigrants seek, not the society they came from. Therefore this society should be the one that propers. Find out why it works, and get with it. They didn't come to America just to have a bunch of other immigrants turn this country into what they just left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 05/02/2008

Excellent post!! Thank you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 05/02/2008

You seem to want to conflate illegal and legal immigration to justify your assumptions. You make the statement that immigration results in increased incomes and opportunities, but fail to address the roll of illegals in this fallacious hypothesis put forth by you and Pro. Hing. I quess that the new up is down and the new down is up! Let me give you a few examples how illegals drive down wages and opportunities.
1. The prevailing wage in the meat packing industry used to be app. $20 hr. The industry, led by Swift&Co, made a concerted effort to drive down labor costs by hiring illegals, violation of law, and succeeded. The present day prevailing wage ranges from $10 to $13 hr. The company has been sued by legal immigrants who lost their jobs and in fact lost a suit filed by a hispanic woman who lost her job to illegals. She won $2 million!
2. In New Orleans, in the wake of Katrina, Pres. Bush suspended prevailing wages and the constructions firms that were awarded no-bid contracts came to town with illegal workers, driving down wages and causing loss of jobs for the predominant African American construction workers who lived in New Orleans.
I wonder where all the compassion is for American citizens who have lost and continue to lose their jobs to people who come here illegally. This is a subject that no one wants to address and it begs the question, WHY?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 05/02/2008

Wow, some seriously racist people posting here. Like the article said, you are just trying to find a scapegoat for your own crappy lives. Immigrants are good for the economy, whichever way you look at it. It is the natural result of being successful that less successful people will want to come to a successful economy and better their lives. Yous say you are not concerned with legal immigration, just the illegal right? It's the breaking of the laws that bother you so much. So if the law was changed to allow Mexicans in you would be fine with it? Bullshit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 05/02/2008

"Wow, some seriously racist people posting here." by pakiman

pakiman, people posting here are not racist. Read and reflect on what they have written.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 05/03/2008

Then, in your mind, India and China should be allowed to send 10% of their poor to the US. Right? That's only 200 million more people. Oh, and if you aren't using every single room in your house 24 hours a day, undocumented workers should be allowed access. After all, they need someplace to live.

Does Mexico allow illegal immigrants into it? Does any country welcome as many [legal] immigrants annually as America?

"...It is the natural result of being successful that less successful people will want to come to a successful economy and better their lives...." True, and I think illegals should be given the jobs of you and your family. If you own a business, we need to setup several illegals up with businesses to directly compete with you...drive you out of business.

BTW, is the US a net importer or exporter of food?

Maybe you're not a racist, but you sure are a moron. And stupid people do seem to be controlling national policy. If you were a really moral person, you'd emigrate to Mexico and create a major business to employ all those poor Mexicans, allowing them to stay in their beloved country. But no, you just sit here and call others names.

People...illegal immigration isn't a minor issue. This country doesn't have the open land to create new cities and new farms to house and feed new citizens. Uncontrolled immigration, given the rise in food prices, means Americans will soon starve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 05/02/2008