Obama & McCain: Delusional Spiritual Ally Test

Posted May 1, 2008 | 01:42 AM (EST)



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The media runs Barack Obama through the wringer for his close association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, an angry, controversial preacher who has suggested that the U.S. government manufactured HIV to kill black people. Reporters call John McCain to task for having been endorsed by the divisive pastor John Hagee, who probably isn't a FaceBook friend of many Catholics, Jews or New Orleans residents.

Rev. Wright has some valid points to make about racial inequality in the U.S., but on certain topics he is out to lunch, as is Hagee. If we are to condemn Obama and McCain for such associations (which obviously differ in degree), isn't it time to apply a similar litmus test to all candidates for higher office?

What if we were to disqualify all candidates with ties to delusional religious folks? Mind you, I'm not taking a Richard Dawkins ("The God Delusion") position here in regards to religion. The existence of a superior being or energy, the origin of the universe(s) (pre-Big Bang), and the ultimate nature of reality are truths that are somewhat beyond our grasp at the moment. And I think are many wise preachers, rabbis and mullahs with highly evolved, rational minds. Rather, I am speaking of spiritual leaders who cling to outlandish beliefs.

So, here is my Delusional Spiritual Ally Test.

As a politician, you will disqualified from Congress, the White House or Supreme Court if you have attended the sermons or sought the endorsement of any religious mentors or allies who espouse any of the following ideas:

1. 9/11 was America's punishment for its sins or secularism
2. Hurricane Katrina was God's judgment on New Orleans
3. The world was created 6,000 - 10,000 years ago
4. Creationism should be taught in science classes
5. AIDS is God's punishment for homosexuality or other sins
6. The U.S. government invented the HIV virus to wipe out minorities
7. The Rapture is almost upon us (*includes any millennial thinking)
8. All religions other than mine are false or evil
9. The anti-Christ is in league with the United Nations
10. My God is bigger than your god

Sincerely, if you accept any of the above, you are delusional (and I know what that says about a large swath of America). We should therefore disqualify all politicians with ties to Pat Robertson, Tim LaHaye, James Dobson, Paul Crouch, and the late Jerry Falwell, all of whom adhere to at least a few of these beliefs. I also include those who seek the counsel of other fundamentalist Christians, Jews and Muslims with logic "left behind" in left field.

Okay, so Obama's out (Rev. Wright, #6). Bush would never have made the ballot. McCain would be disqualified for having sought the approval of an angry, controversial preacher given to delusionary thinking (Jerry Falwell: #1, 3, 4, etc.), and for having celebrated the support of another half-baked man of God (Hagee: #2). McCain once called leaders of the religious Right "agents of intolerance" and now panders shamelessly to them. He strove to make amends with Falwell by giving the commencement address at Jerry's fundamentalist Liberty College in 2006. That should give one pause. Let's hope McCain's appearance there was merely hypocrisy in action. If he wins the presidency do we want him seeking the counsel of his "higher father" on national security issues? That hasn't worked well recently.

In all seriousness, a politician should not be held accountable for the views of every author he has read, every preacher he has heard, or even every mentor he has had. We are all on a life-long learning curve and have had friends and bosses and associates and loved ones whose views now differ drastically from ours. We all learn and grow (we hope). What counts is what Obama or Clinton or McCain themselves believe now. We are voting for Obama, not Wright, or for McCain, not Hagee. It becomes a problem only if a candidate embraces absurd theories that impede their ability to govern or believes he or she is on a mission from God....

And with a little luck, we won't go down that road again.


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It angers me the way "holymen" misuse their pulpits. This story has shined a light on the lowest of the low, in my opinion - pastors whose job it is to preach the Gospel and serve others, who spew hate instead, cause division and stir up strife, as opposed to being peacemakers.
It angers me that the media does not pursue con artists like Pat Robertson who use "prayer and healing" on tv to bring in money, and who exploit the most faithful and gullible souls daily for money. Pat Robertson's adulterer, fake holyman son, Gordon, is now poised to bilk another generation of faithfuls using fake holiness for profit. It is the saddest scam if the world.
It really angers me the way the media does not pursue these frauds, father-son holyman outfits, "prophets," who line their own pockets and claim that God has blessed them. Sure, they give some of their profits to the poor, but even purveyors of porn give to the poor. They are no different than those CEOs who misuse their positions for personal gain and power.
I have always been conservative politically and registered as a Republican but I am watching and waiting to see if McCain holds onto his integrity by rejecting the likes of Pat and Gordon Robertson and other televangelists.
I am offended by the Republican party's affiliation with these superior, arrogant, gossiping, meddling bullies who do not live what they preach and who grossly misrepresent Christ to the world.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 05/02/2008

Chris you forgot the talking snake in the garden and that woman was created from Adams Rib!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 05/02/2008

Special Lady, exactly which Catholic teaching is it that you"re recovering from? Looking at your screen name I guess it might be the Church"s teaching on humility. Tell me, do Special Ladies ever commit immoral acts? Maybe Special Ladies are too righteous to commit any wrong. Also you incorrectly say countless priests have abused children. In fact they have been counted. And whilst the number of priests guilty of such things is a scandal for the Church, they are still a small percentage of all priests. And even if most of the remaining 96% of priests are windbags (which they"re not) you could still read some of the writings of the last two Popes, neither of which anybody with any intelligence could label as windbags.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 05/01/2008

As much as I don't like McCain and want a Democrat to win, we are going to do better than comparing Rev. Wright to Rev. Hagee. There is no real comparison between the two. Rev. Wright was Obama's close friend and avowed spiritual adviser. He married Obama, baptized his children, provided the title for Obama's second autobiography and presided over a church Obama chose to attend for over 20 years. Rev. Hagee is just another right-wing nutjob who obviously endorsed the Republican candidate for President. If we all remember, McCain outright said that he didn't agree with everything Hagee said, but he couldn't do much about his support.

The difference is that Rev. Hagee was not McCain's spiritual adviser but just an endorser of his campaign. A closer parallel in Obama's campaign would be his endorsement from Louis Farrakhan. Just like McCain with Hagee, Obama isn't a member of the Nation of Islam and obviously disapproves of Farrakhan, but that didn't stop Farrakhan from endorsing him. You can be sure the Republican slime brigade will draw this comparison and milk it for all its worth.

If Hagee is the best we have to offer to deal with Wright against McCain when Obama gets the nomination, then we are in for a world of trouble.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 05/01/2008

This is a nice try but you cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Just as you cannot, with a straight face say that these pastor relationships are even remotely equivalent.

If Wright was, simply supporting Obama for President, it would raise eyebrows but in the end, have about the same impact as those other nut jobs would have on a candidate.

Unfortunately, for Obama we now know that Obama (lied?) sat in the pews for 20 years and Wright has always been, exactly how he was presented in the clips. He married Obama and his wife and he christened his children. Obama titled and dedicated his book to Wright.

This is a serious question of Judgment, Credibility and Character with Obama. Lastly the Preacher said he will follow Obama to Washington to ensure (extort?) his Black Liberation Theology of hate and anti Americanism infects his policy and administration.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 05/01/2008

I don't think Rev. Wright is going to be welcome within ten feet of the White House given Obama's reaction to Rev. Wright the other day.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 05/01/2008

Rev. Wright did not preach the same type of sermon every Sunday. The church, as a community of worshippers, has contributed much to the City of Chicago.

And I don't remember any Catholics storming out of their parishes en masse at the height of the sex abuse scandals.

Are you saying that the words of Rev. Wright are more egregious than the cover up of child abuse?

There is no comparison. Only stunning hypocrisy.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 05/01/2008

Hitchens/Dawkins '08

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 05/01/2008

It's a matter of the degree of the association. McCain usually attended the Episcopal Church, which probably meant that he didn't GO to church on a regular basis. And when he did, the sermons were probably about as inflammatory as talking about bunny rabbits. Episopalians are too busy fighting over who and who cannot be ordained, which prayer book is correct, etc to get into any trouble with crazy political ideas. Wright on the other hand is the law unto himself in his own church. And Obama's association with him is as close as it gets. That's why Obama is being attacked by people who actually understand the difference.

As far as pandering, that's what politicians do. That's why they're where they are. People who tell it like it is all the time have to be lawyers, and doctors, and pet groomers, and truck drivers - not President.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 05/01/2008

sparkandy,

Now see, there you lying. Obama did not attend church regularly. He was a member and did pay his tides. Rev. Wright said as much in his famous press club interview. People like you get on my last nerve with your beliefs. Just because a pastor bapists your children and marries you, then all of a sudden you guys are best friends. I have been going to my church for 15 years and my pastors and I am not best friends. In addition, Rev. Wright and Obama said he was not his spiritual mentor, it was something MSM and people like you made up.

So Chill!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 05/01/2008

That is completely FALSE. Obama has repeatedly claimed that he was a regular churchgoer at Trinity. Furthermore, did you read The Audacity of Hope? Not only was the title taken from a Rev. Wright speech, but it pretty much outlines how Wright played a major role (akin to a "spiritual mentor") in Obama's spiritual development. The MSM didn't make it up, they simply read Obama's autobiography and made their conclusions from that.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 05/01/2008

Well said, but how many Americans think and reason like you? Americans are supposed to be courageous and ready to stand up to all challenges. But come election time, they are hoodwink into believing that if they don't vote for a particular candidate, someone will kill their children whiles they are sleeping (what kind of logic is that?). They are deceived into believing that easing their gas bills for three months in exchange for cheap votes is enough to take them through four years. Americans are so scared politicians play on their fears to get elected. So to be elected into office in America, it is not about how you solve real issues facing Americans but how you scare the shit out of them. So you wonder why Bush is in power and about half of the population want to vote for McCain? Because if they don't someone will come and get them .loooololllllllll

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 05/01/2008

If we all had to disown everyone we knew who ever said things that were absurd, we'd be a lonely bunch of people. And if we had to leave our churches if our pastors said things we disagreed with in their sermons, or anywhere else for that matter, religion would cease to exist.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 05/01/2008

That's the nice thing about going to a church like the one I grew up in. The sermons are so boring, you can sleep through them. That's the only rest we got in church, since the rest of the time was spent kneeling, bowing, standing, walking to the front for Communion. If all sermons were that boring, we'd all be better off.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 AM on 05/01/2008

Sounds like your church is just there so people can pretend that they are religious. Don't feel bad after all most churchs are just social clubs, founded on some sort of superiority complex. How else can they justify praying to a God that creates people of other beliefs and then send those same people to be tortured for eternity because they don't have the same beliefs. Further if God can be so cruel what's wrong with a little torture here on earth.

Next time you go throught the motions of going to church why don't you ask yourself, "do I really believe all this dogma". If not I would suggest you join a bowling league.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 05/01/2008

Its called active meditation. Or, for Catholics, the Mass. The ritual requires you to reflect on the things you've been taught as opposed to giving you a different bunch of lame pseudo-theology every week. And most of what we were taught has to do with tolerance forgiveness and service to others regardless of what the priest has to say in his five minute homily.

I actually prefer the Latin version because you don't have to struggle to get it to make sense or break your meditation to sheepishly shake hands with the guy next to you.

As an old Sufi master said "The purpose of ritual is remembrance". If you have nothing to remember in the context the ritual will of course be a series of empty gestures.

Peace.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 05/01/2008

As a recovering Catholic, to think that because you didn't listen to the sermons they weren't offensive boggles the mind. How would you know? And what about the priests extracurricular activities? Let's see, countless priests abusing countless children, or a windbag?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 05/01/2008
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