Rove's Next Trick -- If Obama Must Answer For His Minister Now, Just Wait to See What the Republicans Will Do To Clinton Inc. in October

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As a life-long Republican--recently re-registered as an independent--and as a former sidekick to my late evangelical right wing father Francis Schaeffer, until I dropped out of the fundamentalist ghetto in the mid 80s and started writing fundamentalist-baiting funny (to me anyway) novels such as "Portofino," and as someone who once labored over liberal-bashing strategy with the likes of Jack Kemp, C. Everett Koop and Gary Bauer... let me tell my Democratic Party friends something: Bill and Hillary Clinton's legacy is a far bigger threat to the chances of the Democratic Party winning in November than anything in Obama's life.

For the record: I am a dedicated Barack Obama supporter, but I would vote for Hillary Clinton instead of John McCain in a heartbeat (in spite of the fact that Hillary seems to be trying to be more Republican than the Republicans with her pro-Iraq war vote, her anti-environmental "me too!" pandering gas tax rescind, and her "I'll obliterate Iran" wacky Bushisms). Nevertheless, I'd vote for her over McCain, even though in 2000 I went on several conservative talk shows on McCain's behalf as I worked to get him elected instead of Bush in the primaries. But McCain changed. Today I couldn't possibly vote for McCain, the man who lies about why we are in Iraq, the man kissing up to the lunatic fringe of the religious right. We can't afford another 4 years of Bush, Iraq war forever, and economic cataclysm. So Hillary gets my vote if she's the candidate. That said ...

If you think that a few loopy loops of Reverend Wright's more unfortunate sound bites endlessly playing in October spells terminal trouble for Obama, why are all my old Republican friends rooting for Hillary? And why is McCain quietly playing tag team with Hillary Clinton to destroy Barack Obama's chances?

The Republican insiders aren't just rooting for Hillary they're salivating at the chance to run against "THE CLINTONS." Republicans know that in spite of the Wright "issue," the absent flag pin "issue," the who Obama's acquaintances are "issue," the if Michelle loves our country enough "issue," etc., etc., that none of this amounts to anything compared to the HUGE target Bill and Hillary would present in the fall.

Republican shills don't do things by accident. So when the Weekly Standard (05/12/2008) publishes gushing praise for a Democratic candidate they have their reasons. Anyone who takes the following pro-Hillary puffery at face value should call me about this great bridge I have for sale. In "An Exceedingly Strange New Respect--Hillary Clinton Makes Friends In Some Surprising Precincts," Noemie Emery (contributing editor) writes:

"The Hillary of May 2008 is radically different from the Hillary of two months ago, much less the one of last year, or of eight years back. And this one (at least till the nomination is settled) has some traits the right wing can love.... And better--or worse--[Hillary Clinton] is becoming a social conservative, a feminist form of George Bush. Against an opponent who shops for arugula, hangs out with ex-Weathermen, and says rural residents cling to guns and to God in unenlightened despair at their circumstances, she has rushed to the defense of religion and firearms, while knocking back shots of Crown Royal and beer.... She might run to the right of McCain, if she makes it to the general election, and get the votes of rebellious conservatives. Or she, Lieberman, and McCain could form a pro-war coalition, with all of them running to pick up the phone when it rings in the small hours."

Notice the Weekly Standard's gratuitous swipe at Obama on the way past, while pretending to boost Hillary as someone tough to run against. Yeah, right, the Republicans just love the Clintons and are shaking in their boots at the thought of a Hillary Clinton/John McCain match up!

Here's Karl Rove's wet dream/Republican strategy. When the Weekly Standard et al. have done their work and, through a series of backhanded compliments, fooled the Democrats into thinking Hillary would be harder to beat than Obama then phase two -- the easy destruction of Hillary -- will begin.

It's October 1, 2008, deep in the batcave Rove is talking to his pals...

"Gentlemen; can anyone seriously contend that the presidential candidacy of Hillary Clinton would be possible without the fact that she was married to Bill Clinton? Hillary Clinton would not have become a senator, let alone be running for the presidency, absent being Bill's wife. Her association with Bill Clinton is the bedrock upon which her candidacy stands. Unlike Obama, who's association with his minister was peripheral at bes t- -and that the public is now sick of hearing about -- Hillary Clinton's ties to Bill Clinton are the foundation of her candidacy. So here is what we'll be pounding home...


"A far bigger issue than Obama's minister is Hillary's association with her husband! Anything Rev. Wright said vis-a-vis damage to Obama's chances against our boy was pale by comparison with what Bill did, said, was and is and Hillary's political association with him. Even if this isn't "fair" on so-called moral grounds--as in the privacy of the Clinton's bedroom, bla, bla, bla,--it's certainly fair game now because Hillary's connection to Bill is not just personal-- it's also a political marriage, especially since he's out campaigning as much as she is...

"Obama had to answer for his minister again and again. Now it's perfectly fair to ask Hillary to answer for Bill. It may not be polite, but as Bill said; 'Politics is rough, and if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.'

"If who baptized Obama's children was Hillary's business ('I wouldn't have stayed in that church!') then who she conceived her child with is all our business too! Even if it isn't 'our business' her candidacy is our business and that's entirely based on the legitimacy -- and damage control -- she conferred on Bill by staying with him even after he:

"# Committed adultery in the Oval Office with a young woman about the age of Hillary's daughter,

"# Pardoned criminals in a manner that -- at best -- seemed to bolster credible charges of corruption,

"# Cashed in on his public service to the tune of $108 million (in contrast to, for instance, Jimmy Carter's legacy)

"# Cashed in on his presidential connections, including dealings with foreign dictators and using his influence for his own and for his friend's gain,

"# Engaged in far-flung and dubious fundraising practices during his presidency in which the Lincoln Bedroom was virtually for sale,

"# Entered into a corrupt relationship with donors to his presidential library,

"# Amassed a fortune in a 'charitable' family foundation and only began to disperse some of the money in the context of launching Hillary Clinton's campaign,

"# Has a continuing reputation (well established by friends, associates and personal connections, check out the new FOX NEWS footage about to be released!) for gross philandering that he will bring back into the White House and keep shaming America,

"# Left the Democratic Party with a discredited legacy, an impeachment and the loss of both houses of congress,

"# Played the race card in the fight against Obama, (we can pick up a lot of black votes for once now that the Clintons have managed to alienate most American blacks, maybe forever! Or, at least those people will stay home this year!)

"So here's the deal boys. I Karl Rove, tell you this: Since it was legitimate for Hillary to ask why Obama stayed in his church for so long, it's much more to the point to ask why she stayed with a corrupted, money-grubbing serial sexual predator and what he'll be doing for the next eight years back in the White House! All we had on Obama was his pastor. With the Clintons we have, well, everything! Even our seventy-year-old has-been cancer patient hero, saddled with a six-year-old war, and with no plan for the economy, or energy, or universal medical coverage, and who's been saying he'll follow the lead of the most unpopular president in modern history with more of the same, can beat the Clintons!"


Frank Schaeffer is a writer and author of CRAZY FOR GOD-How I Grew Up As One Of The Elect, Helped Found The Religious Right, And Lived To Take All (Or Almost All) Of It Back.

 
 

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What a hack job. Sound byte after sound byte without explanation. If you want someone to look a certain way it's not too hard to do. 9 minutes of cut up video from talking heads and cut up speeches. Give me a break.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 05/05/2008

And this is why she will not get the nomination. Many democrats, new dems-blue dogs that have no loyalty to the Clintonian Democratic Party were wishing that HRC wouldn't run. The whole party is aware of Clinton "legacy". Of course they figured that no one would be able to knock this machine down. It truly is amazing that Obama has been able to get as far as he has. To be competitive in all of these states is remarkable. The Clinton's have their loyalists, they have a lot of favors owed to them as they owe to others. But, the superdelegates understand this dilemma. They understand that an Obama loss in November (which is highly unlikely) is far better than loosing both houses (which the Clinton's have a history of). The Democrats aren't entirely stupid... weak maybe... but not stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 05/05/2008

I remember when they asked Pat Buchanan about the Republican party in shambles, he replied "We are counting on Hillary to unite us". Anybody with a little common sense can see how much they want her against McInsane. She has too much baggage, and her negatives are sky high. And if by a miracle she "wins", Republicans know they can count on her. She is almost one of their own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 05/05/2008

Hillary's trans-sexualization is really hilarious. Ever since that Gipson guy, the union leader, said she has testicular fortitude, she actually turned into a creepy version of the male gender.

Today on CNN she stated outright that she'd consider going to war with Iran if Hezbollah continues to train and arm Shiite militias. This is after she stated several times in the last few days that she'd obliterate Iran with a nuclear bomb if they attack Israel, and even if they don't she'll set up a defense umbrella in the Middle East with nuclear missles pointed at Iran...she stated this on CNN today!

First, if she wants to initiate war with Iran, then that means the draft is coming, because no way can this country start a third war without the draft. Secondly, WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM??? Third, so the defense umbrella translates Cold War...only this time with Iran. We all know who Russia will side with.

This is much more than an identity crisis. It's Bush x10 in the crazy department. It's hilarious! She's going radical right to win the nomination. Her lust for power is so obssesive, she's selling out Democrats and democratic values to get her way.

Too bad she's selling her soul, the party and getting testicles for nothing! Obama's going to win anyway, and she's going to be the source of nasty jokes on both sides of the aisle when she goes back to her day job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 05/05/2008

Exactly my point. If only the less than 50% of the Democrats and their pundits were as smart. You didn't need to write this blog to remind me, but thank you for reminding the delusional Billaryites and their pundits as the Chris Matthews, Wolf Blitzers, and the Stephanopouloses of the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 05/05/2008

If half of Democrats are too stupid to see through the idiocy of this gas tax gimmick, certainly you don't expect them to pause and ask why are they singing Hillary Clinton's praises if they think she would be such a formidable candidate. I'm not a political strategist, but just from a common sense perspective, I don't think a team would choose to run against a competitor that is strong. If they indeed considered Senator Obama the weaker of the two, wouldn't they be propping him up and helping to defeat Senator Clinton now rather the the reverse?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 05/05/2008

obama didn't think it was a gimmick when he jumped at the chance to vote FOR it in the illinois senate! ooooops....another inconvenient item that he forgot to drop down the 'memory hole'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 05/08/2008

Republicans never could beat the Clintons. Artciles like this only show their frustration. Kinda of like Saudi princes blaming speculators on high oil prices. Yes speculators like Saudi princes and their bottomless Soverign wealth funds. Republiqueens are salivating at the thought of running against Hillary. Right. And Karl Rove is a political genius who orchestrated George W Bush. Usually it is a jew we blame everything on. Is Rove a heeb?. Gore and Kerry beat themselves in a farcial comedy played out on the world stage. W just stood there smiling like a retard, holding his arms out like a tough guy, pretending to be a rancher, picking his nose, nodding affirmatively to Cheney. Only in America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 05/05/2008

As an independent, I have to ask if you are smoking a reefer at the moment? Sadly, McCain will BEAT anyone the Democratic party nominates. McInsane will not get my vote, but he will get too many.

The Democratic party should be beating McInsane to the pulp, but, they are just sitting back, fritting the opportunity away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 05/05/2008

the democrats, in their quest for ideological purity and politcal correctness, are showing ONCE AGAIN that they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity...they keep nominating far-left candidates despite a record of 1 far left candidate (carter, by way of disgust over watergate and the nixon pardon) in the past....what...gazillion years ? then, like clockwork, a thoroughly beatable republican cleans said left-wing candidates clock...cue the tears; this time they'll blame hillary and the klan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 05/08/2008

agree with everything but you left out one word...
PSUEDO-hero

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 05/05/2008

Maybe the next headline on Huff Post should be: Sell your soul for Obama or don't post here!

What's up with deleting post and censoring post??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 05/05/2008

Ok - Now where are my earlier three post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 05/05/2008

I don't know. How many times did you call Obama the n-word in your posts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 05/05/2008

It would never occur to me to use a slur like that against anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 05/05/2008

Bluesage,

I empathize, but it has nothing to do with being anti-Obama. I am firmly on Obama's side in this election, and this happens to me over and over again that my posts "disappear" or never appear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 05/05/2008

There is also another way that they will "swift boat" Hillary. The same way they almost won against Bill. This strategy is what I call "bringing back the sixties" They will point out her association with a law firm run by communists and being an associate editor of a journal that depicted police as "pigs". Check out Carl Bernstein's post below.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/the-shame-of-hillary-clin_b_99912.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 05/05/2008

I believe Senator Clinton was previously asked if she was sure there would be no issues regarding Bill and his philandering and she said no - perhaps now would be a good juncture to ask that question again -- rumors of information to the contrary seem to abound and since she's making electability an issue that would be a fair question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 05/05/2008

i'm still wondering how bill's infidelities translate into a character/electability issue for hillary...unless you're part of the 'blame the victim' crowd

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 05/08/2008

You mean...the Republicans don't genuinely love Hillary now? They have her on Fox, Joe Scarborough LOVES her, Rove talks her up, even Pat Buchanan loves her. Are you saying they don't mean it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 05/05/2008

I LOVE how silly the arguments are going on the HuffPo.
You might as well banner Obama's Tanking in bigger print across the huffpo daily

If you seriously think that the GOP is going to do anything other than snicker at the idea of cooperating with a lambchop undergoing on the job training like Obama, keep drinking the Kool-aid.

One excellent way to defuse Rove would be to initiate War Crimes proceedings the day after the inauguration.
And then start auditing very publicly every dollar spent by the Bush League on this war
Then there are the GOP ties to Big Oil. Blackhawk . Halliburton
Expect a lot of more time with the family resignations if Hillary comes in.
Teh Clinotns have got the map of whee the bodies are buried.
One more excellent reason to vote for Hillary.

Payback time, dear. Not just personal. But national.
Revenge is best served Oval Office glacial..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 05/05/2008

Keep on dreaming. Barack has already stated he would consider investigating the prosecution of this war. Hillary on the other hand has kept silent...she wouldn't want to offend her new neo-con friends, now would she?

Don't count on getting the Hillary you know even if there were the remotest possiblity she could win the nomination.

There is a dark side of me that wishes it could happen just so you guys would be as angry with her in 2016 as we all are with Bush today.

Ha Ha...ain't gonna happen. You get luck this time, cause Obama's gonna win and he's not going to disappoint. But I really wish I could see all you Obama haters squirm under Hillary's 8-year rule!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 05/05/2008

I live in a rural county, pretty much the same as all the places you fly-over-- and by far the largest demographic.
People here don't pay much attention to more than a few minutes of the evening news.

I don't much hear any support for Obama.
Not out of prejudice, most towns have been diverse for decades.

It's the experience thing. How could you think that with Bush leaving everyone 8 years snookered and getting in twice on the bottom-line of experience that Obama speaks to anyone here with the slightest sense of commonality.
He had every advantage most of these voters have been locked out of.

And he has no tangible accomplishments worth them paying attention to.
He came in too early with only rhetoric and ambition to show for it on day one, and since all he has done is delineate progressively worse judgement.

Why you think this somehow would inspire confiedence in the masses and make him a credible candidate is beyond me.
As far as my location is concerned he's just another John Kerry, with nothing that meets the voters expectations in any tangible way and no way to connect to him.
People who voted Bush in twice don't ahve a reason to vote once for Obama.

gala

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 05/05/2008

I LOVE the way you think....

:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 05/05/2008

That is a rubbish theory. What the poster should have written is THREE YEARS TOO LATE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 05/05/2008

You have it exactly right Frank!
The conservative bouquets for Hillary, goes hand in hand with the new GOP twist (in line with the Clinton spin, I might add) on how they are 'really looking forward to running against Obama.' It is all bull!
What delights me as a seasoned Democrat who has fought the good fight, is that I know everything they could use on him, has already been run and this is all they got!
With a weak candidate like McBush with his pandora box just waiting to be opened, they desperately need Hillary! With all the insider sin's she shares in common with McCain, plus the Clinton lifestyle for the unraveling, she is the only one that can make McCain look like the lesser of two evils,
Hillary is the only hope for the GOP and they know it!
I remember the Clinton's and their tactics, too well! If they can't bring Obama down, no one can!
People need to remember that she has gotten a free ride from Obama as a fellow Democrat but the GOP will not be so restrained. They will connect all the dots, the Clinton Library donors, the business associations, the money and on and on! What we have seen is only a glimpse of the ice berg! She is our Titanic if by some unlucky twist she becomes the nominee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 05/05/2008

don't forget this one: http://bigheaddc.com/2007/09/11/hillary-lesbian-rumor-given-weight-by-doj-official/

you know they'll be rolling it out as an october surprise. true or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 05/05/2008

This should be required reading for antone considering voting Hillary. I can't stand the thought of the re"puke"icans laughing after each primary election and seeing that Hillary is still campaigning and doing damage to Barack....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 05/05/2008

Barack is the only one doing damage to Barack. His veneer has cracked and people are finally seeing something they don't like. He's a phony and he's definately not ready for prime time. Unfortunately for all of us is that the media carried him for so long without finding out who this man really is that he may actually get the nomination. He will then go on to lose the general and I'm sure that will also be blamed on Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 05/05/2008

Ah yes, the classic "he is a phony" argument... a variation of the "all hat no cattle" from HRC on Feb 22. I will see you "phony" and raise you 2 "sleeping with the enemy" and a "Do anything for a vote"... I call.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 05/05/2008

I love how multiple people can see the same exact thing and understand it completely differently. I don"t see Obama"s veneer as cracked, I see it as resilient and able to take a hit. If you want to argue that Edwards or some of the other candidates might have been better, we can kick that around. But when you start telling me that Hillary with 20 or 30 years of questionable experience, actions and scandals is more electable than Obama, we are going to have to verbally roll around in the dirt.

You are condemning a man that so far, with all the digging the best they can come up with is that he sat and listened to a Fire and Brimstone black preacher that has a problem with the Man? Is that all you got? Hell, I"m white and I got a problem with the Man. Not to the same extent I am sure but I still got a problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 05/05/2008

Would someone please find out what WJ plans to do with his "foundation" and his "consulting" if they were to move back into the WH? Will he still persue these interests. I have read that he plans to continue them, which would create a huge conflict of interest and situations ripe for malveasance. Why hasn't the MSM ask this question?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 05/05/2008

Great piece, Mr. S. You certainly nailed all the high points.

It's too bad your premonitions will likely come true, tho, given the nature of the Democratic Party, and the Clintons' stranglehold over it.

I cannot, however, bring myself to reward someone like the Clintons with my vote after having to endure the psychodrama they have tortured the rest of us with for the last few months. I'll vote for Nader or not at all, if it's between McSame and Hillary.

To better days . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 05/05/2008

I feel those sentiments, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 05/05/2008

Gee, Frank, your Rove is a softie. Rove goes someone's strength. Like Hillary's
* expertise in policy. I'd expect Rove to mention that she
--insists on her own policies--promising gas-tax relief, obliterating Iran, or developing a health-care plan behind closed doors and not getting buy-in from major stakeholders, starting with senators like Moynihan and Bradley. Do you want a president who tells you what you need?
--disses experts as elitists. What will she do with her generals? Tell them she knows better and that experts are elitists who don't care about the good of the common people? If I were Rove, I'd ask, Isn't disregarding expert advice elitist? And then I'd point out all those jobs that her gas-tax relief plan will cost.
* being a fighter. I can hear the voiceover now, "Hillary says she's fighting for you. Is she really? Take gas-tax relief: She helps you a little. Your vote helps her a lot. Democrats know. They say, 'The Clintons will call you when they need you.' Hillary Clinton needs you now. Do you need her?"
* saying she gets things done, doesn't just talk about doing them. Hillary says health care reform is her big passion in public life. Was she able to reform it?
* having the courage of her convictions, like taking the gas-tax relief plan to Congress. But can she build the coalitions she needs to push the plan through?
You get the idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 05/05/2008

Shorter Schaefer: "Rove will again form coalition of Stupids to swing election". That's all he's ever done: coalesced into a voting bloc all Americans who should not be tainting the voting process with a vote based on lies or ignorance.

If you think that's "elitist", perhaps you could explain to me why this group has a label, within the industry known as professional politics: "LOW-INFORMATION VOTER". They're well-known, and they're led by the nose (or other appendage) accordingly.

The frustrating thing is that when it all comes to pass, once again Rove will be touted as a "genius". Not even close.

If Hillary steals the nomination* (* = virtually the ONLY way to win at this juncture), the longtime Democratic Party bromide, "where ELSE they gonna go, hah?" will short to ground, for the first time in recent history. This time, in addition to the coalition of Stupids, you will see scads of mainstream Democrats and left-leaning netroots activists... as well as newly-minted independents, sick of so-called conservatism and ready for "change"... turning their backs in disgust on a party that made it clear it didn't give a damn about the small-d democratic process. Republican voters will outnumber Dems. They could run Bush again, and he'd win (hell, they could run Barney).

The Democratic Party will be DEAD, and that pale-skinned, wisp-haired, piglet-faced traitor will again receive