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Tehran and Baghdad: Changing the Nuclear Dynamic

Posted: 05/30/2012 5:35 pm

No one knows what Israel's actual intentions are regarding Iran and its nuclear program. How much of what Israeli leaders say reflects their real intentions and how much is intended to goad the international community to action is unknown. The revelation of the sophisticated computer virus known as Flame reminds us that non-military solutions are clearly part of the mix.

If, however, Israel is actually still seriously weighing the option of a military strike in the next six months, then events of the last week significantly increased the odds of that happening. The credibility of Israel's concerns and sense of urgency took a leap forward with the results of both the diplomatic and inspections tracks.

There is much talk of a potential U.S.-Israel gap in the negotiations -- with Israel reportedly insisting that all enriched uranium be turned over and the Fordo nuclear enrichment plant be dismantled, and speculation that the U.S. is reportedly ready to settle for the end of uranium enrichment only above 3.5 percent and that Fordo plant only be suspended.

The negotiations in Baghdad revealed that it is not a potential gap between allies that is the core issue -- though that still may be a concern -- but the very real, continuing and possibly unbridgeable gap between Iran and the world's position. Iran is not ready to consider giving up on its 20 percent enriched uranium. It is not ready to open its most secret nuclear facilities to unfettered inspections. In sum, it sticks to its position that it has every right to develop nuclear fuel and that it is for civilian purposes.

These are the fundamental gaps that show no sign of being closed. Tactical issues as to when the West will ease sanctions in exchange for Iranian steps may be open to finding some common ground, but they are meaningless while Iran stands firm on the fundamentals.

The Baghdad meeting enhanced the credibility of the Israeli position that the Iranians see diplomacy as merely a stalling tactic to enable it to move forward on its nuclear program. The basic criticism of Israel in some quarters that Israel was rushing to judgment seemed far weaker after Baghdad.

The Israeli position was similarly enhanced regarding the International Atomic Energy Agency chief's meetings in Tehran.

It was duly noted, when optimism about the joint tracks was in the ascendency, that this was the first time a U.N. nuclear chief had been invited to Tehran since 2009. The IAEA's Yukiya Amano came and negotiated in good faith and left Tehran with the belief the Iranians would be allowing U.N. inspections at the most sensitive nuclear sites. No sooner had he left when Iranian nuclear officials made it clear they had conceded nothing of the sort and the Fordo site remained off-limits to inspectors.

So after all these years and with greater sanctions looming -- July 1 is the date for Europe to cut off oil purchases for Tehran -- nothing much and everything have changed. The "nothing much" is Iran's willingness to back off its program; the "everything" is Iran's getting closer and closer to a nuclear weapons capability and the creation of a "zone of immunity" through a deeply embedded nuclear facility.

Israel undoubtedly took in all these developments with profound interest. Its skepticism about Iran's willingness to seriously engage turned out not to be a "worst-case scenario," but reality. The sense of urgency about the need to act, whether by tougher sanctions or a military option, reemerges to the top of the agenda.

And the international case against Israeli military action -- give diplomacy a chance, Iran seems to be hurting so it will be more flexible, the Israelis are out of control and even paranoid -- is looking more divorced from reality than Israel's fears.

The old questions about a military option remain: Can Israel succeed alone? What will be the consequences for Israel and the West? Where are Israel's military leaders on that matter?

But what may have changed the balance is the greater possibility of getting U.S. and international support for an Israeli action. Amos Yadlin, former head of Israeli Military Intelligence and current Director of Israel's Institute for National Security Studies, has wisely said that even in the best-case scenario, an Israeli attack would set back the Iranian program only four to five years.

The key for success beyond that, he said, will be the willingness of the U.S. and Europe to support continued sanctions against Iran after an Israeli attack. In such a case, the four to five years can be stretched well into the future, and there wouldn't be a need to revisit the military option theme in a few years.

Undoubtedly, the goal of getting at least some legitimacy for an Israeli military option gained ground over the last week. And with it, the logic of the value of a military strike rose as well.

None of which is to say that we know what Israel intends to do. But Iran's clear intransigence at a critical moment may have changed the dynamic of decision-making in Jerusalem and maybe in time in Washington and elsewhere as well.

 
 
 
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No one knows what Israel's actual intentions are regarding Iran and its nuclear program. How much of what Israeli leaders say reflects their real intentions and how much is intended to goad the intern...
No one knows what Israel's actual intentions are regarding Iran and its nuclear program. How much of what Israeli leaders say reflects their real intentions and how much is intended to goad the intern...
 
 
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Aussieposter
And so it begins
07:23 PM on 05/31/2012
If the International Community has as its goal eliminating Nuclear weapons in the Middle East convincing Iran not to pursue such weapons will not achieve that goal on its own. If the International Community does not have as its goal eliminating Nuclear Weapons in the Middle East, then the obvious question is, Why not?
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11:14 PM on 05/31/2012
The obvious answer is that Israel has four-plus decades of showing they are responsible with their nuclear capabilities. Even Israel's enemies, like Saudi Arabia, are worried about nuclear weapons in Iran's hands and apparently unconcerned about them in Israel's.
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kentah
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08:47 AM on 06/01/2012
If Israel has somehow acquired the 'right' to have nuclear weapons while not signing the NPT or allowing inspections at Dimona (and wherever else they make their WMD) with a program that started with stolen fissile material from NUMAC in the US and a history of invading other countries--how is it that Iran, who has not stolen uranium from anyone and has developed their program domestically, does allow inspectors in and is a signatory of the NPT and has not invaded anyone for 200 years not allowed to show it's responsibility with a nuclear deterrent? What kind of logic is that? And since the 'weapons' are nothing but a propagandistic push instigated by Israel (who should have absolutely no say), exactly what is your problem?
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06:47 PM on 06/01/2012
Israel has been using nuclear weapons, in the form of depleted uranium (very nasty stuff), against innocent Palestinains.

"In April 2009 Jean-François Fechino from ACDN was part of a four-person team which went to Gaza for the Arab Commission for Human Rights . Samples that the team brought back were analysed by a specialist laboratory which identified carcinogens: depleted uranium, caesium, asbestos dust, tungsten and aluminium oxide. Thorium oxide was also found, which is radioactive, as are depleted uranium and caesium. The analysis also identified phosphates and copper, along with volatile organic compounds (VOCs) which are a health hazard, especially to children, asthmatics and elders. "

http://www.countercurrents.org/cook150411.htm
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victorianism
Theultrathinnothingnesshasabeautifulendforusall.
04:11 PM on 05/31/2012
It's a legitimate concern for Israel over a possible nuclear-armed Iran; it's a legitimate right for Iran, or any other nations, to develop a peaceful civil nuclear program as well. The problem is how to do it, or rather, whether the current world leaders have the wisdom and guts to get to it.
07:15 PM on 05/31/2012
Talk about cutting to the chase... well said.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:10 PM on 06/04/2012
Sadly, since the USA or other bullies will invader any country without WMD,

having a WMD is a sovereign right.
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Geo80
Truth. Reality. Smart, sane people agree with me
02:33 PM on 05/31/2012
The pro-terrorist people are upset that Israel is strong and protects itself.

They want terrorists to be able to do a better job trying to harm Israel.

A bunch of such people post on this website each day.
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Aussieposter
And so it begins
07:27 PM on 05/31/2012
Actually I believe that the world would be a much safer place if no one in the Middle East had Nuclear Weapons. Even safer if no one had them at all.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:10 PM on 06/04/2012
Define terrorist. Better include the USA and Israel.
01:46 PM on 05/31/2012
You can see Foxman's point. Can you imagine the outrage if Israel were to have a secret policy of developing nuclear weapons which changed the dynamic of the balance of power in the region? Of course one has to imagine the outrage, since Israel did that very thing and there was no actual outrage in America.

That means that anyone wanting to be serious can't simply give Iran's wanting to do much less than Israel already did as signs that Iran is unreasonable. But fortunately for Foxman, beating the drums for a military attack by Israel apparently doesn't require being serious.
04:55 PM on 05/31/2012
Israel's nuclear program CREATED the balance of power. It's said Sadat agreed to make peace with Israel only AFTER he visited Demona. Let's remember Israel never threatened an Arab state with total destruction, unlike Iran. Israel ceded land captured in war to promote peace with the vanquished - which in the annals of history is unheard of.
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kentah
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08:51 AM on 06/01/2012
Untrue. When Israel talks of its "Sampson Option" that is a threat to the world. At what point has Iran threatened Israel?
10:14 AM on 06/01/2012
I like the "its said" construction which doesn't require there being any support behind it. I am not clear if you are pushing the false line that Iran threatened to destroy Israel, or mean your claim to be read otherwise. But ceding land to obtain peace is not unheard of in the annals of history. And given that Israel has a small population, ceding land is ultimately necessary to their goal of retaining a Jewish majority. It is actually pretty standard that when one occupies territory one eventually gives it back to achieve peace. You might notice that a lot of territory once occupied by the US is no longer controlled by the US.

This is not to say that Israel should not be applauded for the deal at Camp David, but it is hardly unprecedented. And it certainly does not mean that Israel is therefore exempt form ordinary moral considerations (like the ban on building settlements in occupied territories or that they do not actually possess a right to attack their neighbors whenever they decide it might make them marginally safer).
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02:35 PM on 06/01/2012
An Israeli official on CNN's Erin Burnett even claimed that, yes, shocking
after all of these years.....they had Just Discovered that
Iran was somehow, somehow, involved with
911......she tossed softball questions at this
and there were no Mid East experts with her
to laugh and easily show this was politically
motivated....
actually that was a complex day....
FBI statement " Israeli Involvement in
it is classified ! "
03:30 PM on 06/01/2012
I agree that there is a problem with Israeli officials knowing they can spout nonsense without being called on it by interviewers. I was amazed how taken aback Michael Oren was to actually be called on a blatant lie by Stephen Colbert, it clearly had not occurred to him that he could not lie freely.

I don't get that last bit though. I hope you are not hinting at an Israeli link to 9/11. With the limited context you provide it is not clear what the FBI statement is about.
01:01 PM on 05/31/2012
This article is too optimistic, to be taken seriously, the Israeli army has not 1 thousandth of the firepower of the American army, and even the American army can not prevent a nuclear Iran (if it so desires ) an attack will only hasten the withdrawal of Iran's NPT, and the militarization of the program.

at the end of the day will be the Iran deterrent, if it decides.

israel is deluding himself, and his fans too.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:13 PM on 06/04/2012
Yes, Iran's nukes will force negotiation instead of attacks. Let's hope MAD works in the middle east....
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Yank in France
Rien se cree tout se transforme
12:14 PM on 05/31/2012
Ok, my carefully crafted post was refused publication so maybe I need to change my ATTITUDE.

So here goes my new leaf: I love Israel and the Israel lobby in America has no power: in fact, it doesn't have enough power because if it did, we would've already nuked Iran by now. No, no, I am getting a little too exuberant now.

So let's start again.

Thank you Mr Foxman for presenting such an evenhanded view of the Iranian nuke problem. As you so cogently stated at the end of your brilliant and loving article, the real problem is getting the American government and maybe even people on board for a full scale attack on Iran.

And just to make things clear: I take my the comment I made in my (now) banned post that the only way that Israel could even think about penetraing the deep underground facilities is to use some sort of tactial nuclear weapons.

Now, I also take back the point about tens if not hundreds of thousand of dead people in case of prolonged airstrikes, undoubtedly accompanied by troops on the ground … for a limited time period.

And who cares about the cost of an operation that could last for months if not years? We Americans have tons of money, no debt and no sacrifice is too high:$1 trillion, $2 trillion, who's counting!!

So please accept my heart-felt greetings from a new supporter!

Shalom!
12:51 PM on 05/31/2012
Are you ironic?
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critterzdad2
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
04:06 PM on 05/31/2012
Who wants war?
Who wants to pay for war and who wants to bury the dead? ho wants to be the first to use a nuclear bomb since 1945 on civilian populations?

On the flip side.

Who wants another nuclear power in the world? Who wants to encourage people who have already been meddling on the world stage providing terrorists information and money and now could offer enriched fuel for dirty bombs?
Who wants to see a nation that says they only want peaceful use of nuclear technology but REFUSES ANYONE who would like to take a look (in underground sites as well).
Who can trust a nation that was willing to sacrifice children against a neighbor who wrongly conducted a war against them?
So much for war.
How about a nation that provided money, materials and directions for bigger and better I.E.D.s for insurgents to use against U.S. forces in Iraq?
Is this a country we want to support?
So tell me should I stay or should I go?
Should I ignore or support war?
All I want is someone that is independent to provide an hands (and eyes) on opinion (that I could trust) that Iran really IS in the business of making fuel rods and nuclear medical usage tech in underground sites.
Is that too much to ask a civilized nation? Please????
01:40 PM on 05/31/2012
Very good! Can I use some of that?
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critterzdad2
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
04:41 PM on 05/31/2012
My posts are for any and all to copy, to quote and especially to dispute or disprove anything they can. You learn from mistakes far far more than you learn from being right!
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Yank in France
Rien se cree tout se transforme
02:42 AM on 06/01/2012
Be my guest! -:)
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Cory Gudwin
examine thyself before blaming the system
09:58 AM on 05/31/2012
Only Israeli judgement of Irans intentions matters. It is their call.
Not foreign leftists always hostile to Israel.
If the Israeli inteligence services discover hard evidence of actual weapons work at any of Irans nuclear sites, a war will begin.
No ground invasion, no China or Russia, no WWIII, and no nukes.
The current regime in Iran is unlikely to still be ruling after a few days of war with Israel.
11:34 AM on 05/31/2012
the question is: after posting the exact same text over and over, are you starting to believe what you type ?
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Cory Gudwin
examine thyself before blaming the system
01:38 PM on 05/31/2012
My politics are not driven by ethnic hatred and conspiracy theories. And I'm employed and vote in the US.
12:54 PM on 05/31/2012
yes israel is the USSR, a global superpower. first try to unhook the Hezbollah on the north border and then talk of changing the regime in a country of 80 million people!

thank cory, you made me laugh a lot
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Cory Gudwin
examine thyself before blaming the system
02:35 PM on 05/31/2012
Irans army will take over. The rule of the Revolutionary Guards will be brough down by internal disgust. Even Hezbollah will have problems once funding is cut off. The far left can spin as many scare scenarious at it wishes. They will be ignored like the Occupy campaign.There is no WWIII coming.
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Freenation
09:25 AM on 05/31/2012
oh the poor israelis..keep repeating the choir of how the world hates us and barring US no one is going to listen to this crying wolf theatrics anymore...In US also the trend is shifting thanks to net, as previously readers where subjugated to articles like these in print media 24 7 365....where a 4th strongest NUKE armed military is playing victim...

'There is much talk of a potential U.S.-Israel gap in the negotiations'

for a change...at least pretend to be on US side...
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Geo80
Truth. Reality. Smart, sane people agree with me
02:28 PM on 05/31/2012
You want Israel blown up. It would make you happy. I bet you can get a wide-faced smile right now at the mere thought of it.

Believe me, we get it.
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Freenation
11:44 AM on 06/01/2012
tissue? don't you think all these theatrics are getting boring...Israel is the one sitting on nuke stockpile and Israel is the one threatening attack...
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Anybodyseenthepopos
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06:22 PM on 05/31/2012
Actually Israel is refusing to be a victim.

Hurts don't it.
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Freenation
11:43 AM on 06/01/2012
i meant faux victim...
08:30 AM on 05/31/2012
Israel has had nukes for about 60 years. Isn't it strange that as far as I know not one single person in the world, even some of the local posters, has had one sleepless night worrying about being nuked by Israel. And now we see the US, the EU, and the Sunni Arab countries scared out of their pants about the Iranian medieval Mullah regime getting nukes. The Sunni countries have already threatened to get nukes if Iran gets them, setting off a nuclear arms race among those stable Arab regimes. I can't figure out why the different reactions to Israeli and Iranian nukes? Oh I know, it's the world wide Zionist conspiracy. After all, one of the first things Khomeini did was to order a Persian translation of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
08:40 AM on 05/31/2012
"Israel has had nukes for about 60 years."

Wow, you didn't deny it. Now, let's open them up for inspection and sign the treaty. Iran can work on their program.

Problem solved.
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Geo80
Truth. Reality. Smart, sane people agree with me
02:29 PM on 05/31/2012
No, that wouldn't solve a single problem at all.

The problem is that deranged Islamic terrorist groups want to destroy Israel, and Iran, which supports such groups, make get nuclear weapons.
09:49 AM on 05/31/2012
welcome to hp. this must be your first day first post ! i take that as face value. another thing i can take as face value is your intransigence for rejecting iran's will to survive. israel has not used nukes yet (even that is debatable). but why should they for now. for sixty years everything has been working fine and dandy. someone's got your back, power and money rolling in, defense of every action regardless of its nature a given, i can't think of any other reason why a country in the middle east should resort to weapons that are forbidden by islam. take the backing away and you will have a country who will not survive for more than a day, that's according to all israeli posters here, not me, and i doubt if iran would say that either. so pardon others for wanting to have a will to survive, and that's without the upper hand that has always been extended as a gift to israel.
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Geo80
Truth. Reality. Smart, sane people agree with me
02:30 PM on 05/31/2012
Israel being safe and strong makes you upset.

Aww.
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MarcEdward
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08:17 AM on 05/31/2012
Israelis do not support attacking Iran unless the USA does all the heavy lifting.
The USA, hopefully, is too smart to get involved with another war, one that is NOT in the US interest.
Israel won't attack.
Hey, I thought ADL was a DOMESTIC organization concerned with discrimination. Why is the head of ADL advocating for a war that would kill many Americans and damage our economy? How does this guy end up making more than the President of the USA?
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Aziat
The Answer is 42
10:34 AM on 05/31/2012
A little thing called freedom of speech. I know, you only care about freedom of speech for things you agree with, but c'est la vie
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Sonic hedgehog
A true word needs no oath
11:44 AM on 05/31/2012
The poster doesn't say anything about criminalizing what the author says, he is criticizing what he says. Freedom of speech doesn't mean the speech cannot be criticized.
01:53 PM on 05/31/2012
Aziat,

You have explained why the leader of the ADL has the right to advocate something that is against US interests, but the question above was why he would choose to do so. These are different questions.
04:07 PM on 05/31/2012
The ADL has obviously strayed from its core mission of ending intolerance, bigotry, racism, and anti-semitism in this counrty. Time for a new organization that will actually make this its mission and stick to it.
06:53 AM on 05/31/2012
Let |r@n have the nukes otherwise take away |$rae|'s
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Geo80
Truth. Reality. Smart, sane people agree with me
02:30 PM on 05/31/2012
Why do you want insane Islamic terrorist groups to get nukes?
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Aussieposter
And so it begins
08:01 PM on 05/31/2012
I think what BG-back was saying was that none of the insane groups in the Middle East should have nukes. Including Bibi
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05:53 AM on 05/31/2012
"between Iran and the world's position"

"This is perhaps the strongest expression of support for Iran by NAM , representing some 118 nations, and it could put Amano and the Western envoys at the IAEA on the defensive.

In addition to raising the issue of Israel's nukes and the IAEA's investigation of Syria's alleged nuclear site that was bombed by Israel in 2007, the 22-page NAM statement is sharply critical of Amano for accepting at face value Western intelligence information on Iran's nuclear activities. "

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LI17Ak02.html
01:04 PM on 05/31/2012
haha yes i agree 100% iran vs the world, who is this " world" us+ israel+ europe = the world ?
01:07 PM on 05/31/2012
general cartwright and fallon said publicly: US can't stop iran from getting nuke"

general james mattis: "US army can't stop iran from making bomb"

but for israeli fans, israel can of course lol !
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Aussieposter
And so it begins
08:08 PM on 05/31/2012
Israel to the U.S

Anything you can do I can do Better
I can do anything better than you

I can stop Iran from getting the Bomb
and poor little Johnny won't be away from his Mom.

Anything you can do I can do Better
I can do anything better than you
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
05:29 AM on 05/31/2012
A computer virus can be quite reasonably assigned as a military solution, if it was any use in stopping a program, which it isn't.

Israel has no military options to destroy the Iranian program. Neither does the US. Both rely on effective deterrent nuclear forces to prevent an attack (which work), and sanctions to change policy, which probably won't.
01:09 PM on 05/31/2012
US army publicly said; 'us can't stop iran from making nuke"

its clear like cristal !
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kentah
know thyself
02:26 PM on 05/31/2012
Not so reasonably assigned. This latest 'Flame' virus has the capability of attacking Iran's oil infrastructure which is decidedly not in dispute. the last one, 'Stuxnet', was found in the Siemens controllers at Fukishima the October prior to the disaster. These viruses will cause more world-wide havoc than aimed missiles.
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