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Adam Goldstein

Adam Goldstein

Posted: June 14, 2010 06:21 PM

When Congressmen Attack

What's Your Reaction:

Presumably by now you've seen the video of Rep. Bob Etheridge (D-Lillington) getting into a physical confrontation with someone purporting to be a student asking questions about Etheridge's positions on the president's political agenda. If not, why don't you watch it right now. I'll wait.

The talking points here ask questions like: why isn't the interviewer willing to identify himself? Is he an RNC operative? Is this an ambush interview designed to discredit Etheridge? Is this part of a plot to score political points?

Let me make this really simple: I don't care.

I don't. I don't care if it's a Republican operative--congressmen shouldn't assault Republican operatives. I don't care if it's an ambush interview--congressmen shouldn't attack ambush interviewers. I don't care if it's the ghost of Richard Nixon, foaming at the mouth rabid and wearing nothing but a placard accusing Etheridge of being of questionable parentage. No matter who this is, Etheridge doesn't have the legal right to put hands on him for asking a question.

Some people are trying to deflect blame by questioning the motives of the would-be interviewer, as if the law of assault was a complicated moral issue. It isn't, by the way. It's a simple moral issue. If someone asks you a question, you don't get to start grabbing him or her. Asking whether the questioner has some political motive is as morally bankrupt as asking what specifically Tina Turner said to Ike before he started hitting her--as if there were any answer that would suddenly make the conduct okay.

And Etheridge should know better. He purports to know better, even as he casts aspersions on the questioner's political motives:

"I have seen the video posted on several blogs. I deeply and profoundly regret my reaction and I apologize to all involved. Throughout my many years of service to the people of North Carolina, I have always tried to treat people from all viewpoints with respect. No matter how intrusive and partisan our politics can become, this does not justify a poor response. I have and I will always work to promote a civil public discourse.

I'd like to take Etheridge at his word, but it's hard to accept that he has always worked to promote a civil public discourse, considering he just grabbed someone by the neck for asking if he supported Obama's political goals. So, with all due respect to Etheridge, I'm inclined not to give him the benefit of the doubt. I am inclined to believe the person asking the question is genuinely a student working on a student project until I find out otherwise. (Gee, I can't imagine why the questioner would blur his face, considering people are bending over backwards to blame him for having the audacity to get grabbed.)

But if we do find out otherwise, I hope we can all remember the basic lesson that the conduct is fundamentally wrong. I want to believe our politics are not so partisan that we will excuse physical attacks if we think the victim had an ideological motive for being at the scene of the event.

 

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Madelaine
Psychotherapist, researcher; advocate-human rights
10:58 AM on 06/16/2010
Adam....I admire the way you kept focused on the issue. You were logical and eloquent in the writing of your analysis, and your steps in defining personal responsibility and culpability while taking every argument, addressing it, but ultimately diluting it...were methodical and relentless Your final paragraph is clear, and has the reader wonder how in the world they might have "mentally wandered" from the original premise. Impressive! Thank you for writing it!
07:21 PM on 06/15/2010
Sir,
Ok, now lets take a look at what's really happening here. A photographer by the name of Carlos Miller is on a personal rampage because he was arrested twice in the past for photographing and/or videotaping police at work, was asked not to, resisted, was arrested, beat both charges he claims, and now is on this rampage about his and all photographers First Amendment rights, as witnessed on his webpage blog "Photography Is Not A Crime. I have differed in opinion with the shenanigans these photographers pull as stunts to embellish their positions and have even challenged them to take it to court and see what the Supreme Court has to say but all they do is keep on slamming anyone that disagrees with them and... they pull stunts like this one. You can see all that bru-ha-ha at www.carlosmiller.com and related links. People that are reading this news item are so badly misled here it isn't funny and Mr. Miller and his cohorts are laughing their tails off at all this. This is one of the worst insurrections I have ever seen.

No one had the vantage point watching the video that the Congressman had when he was facing the "students." It is my belief that if we knew what the Congressman saw that caused him to react in that manner, then these "students" and engineers of this videotaping escapade would be in for some real questions.

Respectfully,
...Joe Piervincenti...
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Adam Goldstein
Attorney, Student Press Law Center
01:27 PM on 06/16/2010
Thanks for the info--but why was he arrested for videotaping police at work? There have been a few of these cases, and they're all pretty fact-specific, but unless something about the position of the person was materially interfering with the officer's ability to execute his duties, there's no legal reason why he shouldn't be videotaping officers at work, even if the officers would rather not be videotaped. In fact, if we believe that media (if not necessarily news) has a role to play as the fourth estate and the watchdog of the government, isn't that how it's supposed to work?

You and I don't have any right not to be photographed on the street, either, for what it's worth--it's just that nobody is interested in me, because I'm not using state authority when I walk down the street and I'm not that interesting-looking of a person. That might be a moral issue, but not a legal one. The moral issues of videotaping a private person, though, aren't really the same when videotaping someone wearing a state-issued uniform, carrying a state-issued badge, and using the power of the state to detain/question/move people. As long as the cops are able to do whatever job they're there to do, I just don't see that there's an argument they should be allowed to do it in secret.
08:54 PM on 06/16/2010
"You and I don't have any right not to be photographed on the street"

We don't have any right NOT to be photographed? If you point your camera at me and I say, please don't take a picture of me, and you do, I just have to swallow it Adam?

If a majority of people say they don't want it shot, which the average person would surely respond with given that the shooter is a stranger, the shooter has the right to shoot it anyway? Is that what you're saying Adam?

The commenters on Carlos Miller's webpage come out and say that they would have struck the Congressman for grabbing them but the Congressman didn't have the right to grab the student presuming that it may have been them out there? Is that what we're saying Adam?

Law as printed and published stands one way and then reasoning is applied in court to "interpret" that law. Is that correct? Based on circumstances and what the judge and/or jury perceives as intent, motivation, etc? In other words, what was really going on? Reasonably. So, the right of a shooter prevails regardless of reason?

Commenters on Millers webpage have published words of hate and possible intent toward the Congressman. If one of those individuals actually did something where would responsibility lie if one of them actually went out there and did something in trhe name of their First Amendment rights?

So someone can wait outside your office and photograph you too?
11:31 AM on 06/17/2010
Correct. Would this representative have done the same thing in Harlem to a couple of inquisitive young college students?

I seriously doubt it.
02:15 PM on 06/15/2010
Adam, it seems strange to have to thank you for showing basic common sense and decency. But them's the times we live in. Anyone who defends Etheridge on any basis is defending political thuggery. It shouldn't have to be a left-right thing. But again...the times we live in.
01:05 PM on 06/15/2010
Thank you for getting it.
cureyourosity
INDEPENDENT--cuz the other two parties suck
01:00 PM on 06/15/2010
I am refreshingly surprised by your article Adam. Like you I don't care what or whom the individual may be affiliated with. The man asked a question and got assaulted for it. The minute Etheridge put his hands on that guy, who amazingly showed restraint (or perhaps fear hindered him..) from clocking Etheridge on his beak-- it was an assault. It's wrong and no amount of spin doctoring will change that. Can you imagine if it was one of his constituents? A long term elected official should have had better sense.
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Adam Goldstein
Attorney, Student Press Law Center
01:56 PM on 06/15/2010
Thanks. I'm kind of surprised it's gotten the reaction that it has. In talking this over with people, a surprisingly large number of them will just flat out not acknowledge the congressman crossed a line. Maybe I'm politically naive, but I honestly thought this was so obvious, I almost didn't post it. I mean, of *course* it's wrong to hit people for asking political questions. Why should anyone need to be told that? Even Etheridge acknowledges he was in the wrong, here. Where's the ambiguity?
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Madelaine
Psychotherapist, researcher; advocate-human rights
11:07 AM on 06/16/2010
Adam, again...thank you! I am not as surprised, however, for as I a therapist who has worked with youth, especially males, on the "highest levels of behavior", the education, compassion for their pasts becomes somewhat rudimentary. It seems children are simply not being taught virtues as non-blame, critical thinking skills (so very important in the therapeutic process), accountability, etc.

There are many reasons why "owning up"is very difficult for these kids, and that part requires the healing. That said, however, the current mindset of so many youth is about the fact that verbal and physical violence is justified in any case at all.
10:08 AM on 06/15/2010
Etheridge's behavior was fine... I mean, it was just like the interview techniques of the MSM, NBC News, MSNBC... interviewers like Olbermann the Insane, etc.

Why would the motivation of the presumptive interviewer of any concern? The only reason could be that the Left media wants to divert the story from the true attitude of the angry Left politicians... could be, no?
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Adam Goldstein
Attorney, Student Press Law Center
11:43 AM on 06/15/2010
I don't even see it as a left or right thing--it's a civilized-order-in-a-democracy thing. People in general, and people who hold themselves out as representatives of the people in particular, are going to be challenged with questions. This wasn't one of the tougher questions.

If someone asks if you support the President's agenda, say, "Yes I do, and here's why..." or, "No I don't, and here's why..." or even, "Some of it, it's complicated, why don't you come back to my office and we'll talk about it."

You don't demand to know who they work for and then grab them when they don't feel like talking about it. And you know, I wouldn't take the sign that they didn't feel like talking about it as an indication of a sinister motive. Sometimes you don't reveal your identity because you fear retribution (like Thomas Paine did when he published Common Sense), and sometimes you don't reveal your identity because you want people to focus on your words and ideas (like Hamilton, Madison and Jay did in the Federalist Papers). Either way, it's an American right.

If the congressman didn't like it, he could've kept walking. But grabbing the guy? It's just un-American. Turning it into a political thing and trying to justify it is a kind of moral equivalence that leads to a political system more like North Korea's than our own.
12:52 PM on 06/15/2010
Right. It doesn't matter if the kids were sent by Rove himself to make Etheridge look stupid. They didn't make him look the fool, he did it all by himself. And even if they were so motivated, (which is ridiculously unlikely) that would be part of politics and not an excuse to become physically violent with them. They broke no law, they violated no protocol. They had no reason to be assaulted and Etheridge had no excuse for assaulting them, period.
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Madelaine
Psychotherapist, researcher; advocate-human rights
11:10 AM on 06/16/2010
....and fortunately, and apparently, you DID learn these values!
09:25 AM on 06/15/2010
Well said, Adam. Thank you for displaying the common sense that is all too lacking in this case.
09:50 AM on 06/15/2010
very well said...anyone who argues otherwise should seriously consider how they can argue for violence? Would you want someone to grab you and not let go; of course not...
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Aquinnah1
08:25 AM on 06/15/2010
Bad Boy Bob Etheridge Buffaloed by Boneheads. The story at 11. www.eightfits.blogspot.com
09:19 PM on 06/14/2010
Jack booted college thugs from the Tea Party’s vicious Youth Video Projects department attacked innocent Congressman NC Rep Bob Etheridge (Dem) as he returned from conducting the people’s Pelosi business. Both thugs were able to escape from the victim after the poor congressman was able to overcome and detain one of the assailees for a short time and squeeze a gurgled epithet from the more brawny of the two skinny thugs. The congressman’s friends from the SEIU benevolence league have offered to protect the congressman from future random attacks by sacrificing other people’s rights to assure he is left unopposed in the business of raising taxes for the peoples own good of course. Keith Olbermann was quick to point out the obvious racial overtones that weren’t heard or seen during the altercation. Ironically, the congressman was coming from a Pelosi fund raiser to repeal Arizona’s AB1070, and was heard to yell “I have a right to know who you are” and “where are you from” at the assailants, no admission by the attackers of belonging to any neo-type group was forth coming. After the congressman’s dust up with the hooligans, Janet Napolitano quickly declared the scene safer than it had ever been before and pledged to be even more vigilant for neo-anti taxpayers like these two youths. Brietbart admits to finding this video on You Tube and won't take any credit for it, shocked Lib comments to follow.
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Roguewolf
30-Year Military Veteran
08:57 PM on 06/14/2010
Thank you, very common sense evaluation of the situation.
08:44 PM on 06/14/2010
HuffPo should be proud of this article, as it is one that actually tells what happened regardeless of the effect on the DNC. These kids asked a simple question and were assaulted...My only question is: Where are the police? This is an obvious crime, there is sufficient evidence to arrest...why is this man still free? If I had done this I would be posting bail instead of typing here.
06:38 PM on 06/14/2010
I've watched the compiled/edited video as well as each individual camera's footage several times. It appears that the alleged victim did little -- if anything -- to provoke or justify Etheridge's violence. In addition, it appears that Etheridge may have taken the young man's phone and walked away with it. Depending on the combination of actions, Etheridge may be eligible for felony charges. Don't be surprised to hear that a copy of the video footage has been turned over to the DC police with a request to file charges against Etheridge. As for the digitally blurred face on the alleged victim, that is understandable, because as soon as his identity is revealed he likely will be savaged by political enemies.