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Moody's Should Shut Its Mouth About U.S. Debt

Posted: 06/13/11 02:51 PM ET

Last week, Moody's -- the ratings service that played a central role in the financial crisis, the results of which remain painfully alive -- threatened to downgrade America's credit rating.

Here's what they said in their press release:


... if there is no progress on increasing the statutory debt limit in coming weeks, {they} expect to place the US government's rating under review for possible downgrade, due to the very small but rising risk of a short-lived default.

If the debt limit is raised and default avoided, the Aaa rating will be maintained.

However, the rating outlook will depend on the outcome of negotiations on deficit reduction. A credible agreement on substantial deficit reduction would support a continued stable outlook; lack of such an agreement could prompt Moody's to change its outlook to negative on the Aaa rating.

So here's the thing. (One of President Obama's favorite locutionary preambles.) Should Moody's be in the business of prospectively rating sovereign debt based on whether or not a government takes certain steps? Do they have the financial credibility and morality authority to do that? Should they be reacting to the current situation or should they be theorizing about a complex and variable collection of uncertainties in the future?

This is not an insignificant distinction. Moody's exists for a very simple reason: to provide dispassionate analysis -- resulting in a grade -- that allows potential investors to determine whether or not a particular debt instrument can be trusted, and through that, how it should be priced.

But by wading into the debt reduction battle, Moody's is no longer an entity that analyzes credit risk in the present tense. It becomes an entity that attempts to influence and shape policy. Should a for-profit, public company be threatening the government by saying do this or else? Highly doubtful.

Further, why would anyone trust Moody's about delayed risk when they were so brain-dead when it came to assessing immediate risk? Let's not forget the billions of blithely over-rated CDOs and other instruments in the long and frothy run-up to the sub-prime crisis. As Phil Angelides, who ran the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission bluntly put it:

They {Moody's}were huge enablers of these toxic mortgage securities... they failed miserably. They approved fraudulent products. This is as if UL (electronics testing firm) was testing toasters, and 90% of them blew up in your kitchen.

The profound structural flaw in Moody's business -- and this is no secret -- is that they are paid by the very issuers they are supposed to weigh in on, objectively. ProPublica neatly summarizes the stunning problem:

The ability for bankers to run the show has long been an obvious flaw in the ratings system for structured products. Investment banks create the securities and benefit when they receive generous ratings. Banks pay the agencies that supply the ratings. Yet the agencies are somehow supposed to hold the line with the people who are responsible for their paychecks.

This was supposed to be fixed by Dodd-Frank. But it hasn't. ProPublica goes on to point out that:

Since {the melt-down} the government has tried to change the ratings agencies. The Dodd-Frank financial reform law has some bold measures, like making the ratings firms liable for their judgments. Unfortunately, the rules are in danger of not being enforced because of budget constraints and resistance from the agencies.

So here we have Moody's continuing to be the same wealthy fox guarding the same complicit hen house. But that doesn't stop it from lecturing the Fed about its own borrowing habits.

I think are two very strategic reasons behind Moody's well-publicized warning last week. The first is PR spin. They want to be seen not just as thought-leaders, but as advocates of fiscal prudence. Leave the past behind by identifying yourself with a conservative view of debt, even though you made millions for yourselves and the banks by expunging "default" from your spell check, and tossing caution to the winds.

Moody's should not be attempting to influence fiscal policy here -- or anywhere else (including Japan, while they are similarly trying to browbeat the government) -- with the specter of ratings punishment.

The second reason that Moody's inserted itself in the debt ceiling debate is that they sell research on sovereign debt, so the fact that they were able to send the markets into a tailspin with their comments about U.S. debt becomes a branding statement about their global power.

Here's how their marketing materials pitch their expertise:

Moody's rates over 450 sovereigns and sub-sovereigns around the world... Our Sovereign specialists work closely with economists, bank analysts, legal, accounting, and regulatory specialists to clarify the real risks of sovereign securities and to equip you with the information to identify value.

What a lovely ecosystem for them. Moody's issues a press release that warns the U.S. is potentially headed for a downgrade. The media jump all over it, and their name gets associated with fiscal prudence. (Meanwhile, they are still being compensated by banks in the old exploding toaster model.) At the same time, their salespeople fan out all over the world and sell their sovereign debt research, using their PR release on U.S. fiscal policy as exemplary of their expertise and influence. And "objectivity."

This week, a report found that around 40% of all those who took out second mortgages are now underwater with their houses. Of course, Moody's rated millions of those bundled mortgage instruments as investment grade.

Now, the same people who paid no attention to the quality of the underlying mortgages are attempting to re-brand themselves as fiscal Puritans by threatening to downgrade U.S. debt. And they'll make money from that in the process. Is there any wonder that our trust is under water?

Cross-Posted from BusinessInsider.com

 

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09:19 PM on 06/15/2011
Tell us it ain't so...they're a banking puppet? Oh no. Cmon, couldn't they just be incompetent.

Hmm, I would say you reveal which it is by their involvement prior to any ceiling decision being made.

Shouldn't their be a movement to de-list them and remove executive directors?
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Olderandwiser55
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01:50 PM on 06/14/2011
Nice article-I could not agree more...
11:24 AM on 06/14/2011
Who made Moody's credible after their complicity in the largest fraud in history?
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11:19 AM on 06/14/2011
Funny: you never complained about tis when Moody's made these kinds of pronouncements about other countries....
02:57 AM on 06/14/2011
The three credit rating agencies are often wrong.
And they are probably wrong most of the time on purpose.

How about all that AAA (best) ratings for all that Wall Street junk?
That says it all.

However, if we let them rate foreign countries and all companies, it would look ridiculous to try and stop them from rating America.

Credit rating agencies are BUSINESSES....and we should take them as such.
10:14 AM on 06/14/2011
After the AAA ratings on all that junk, why would anybody believe anything they said.
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01:44 AM on 06/14/2011
Yes. They should keep quiet as they influence Government. It's bad form to do it in public. Effective extortion should always be done in the background.
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12:06 AM on 06/14/2011
Article 3, section 3 of the US Constitution: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

"Levying war" does not have to include bombs and invasions. It includes electronic threats to our infrastructure. It could reasonably include attempts to disrupt the economy.

If Moody's decides to downgrade the debt of the United States, it would have a catastrophic effect on the economy -- and it knows it. Moody's engages in insider trading. Coordinate with big banks raise and investors to raise interest rates through the roof, skyrocket unemployment and jump inflation jumps into double digits, forcing the US to print money to cover expenditures. Then demand government cede economic policy to the big banks and ...

The effect would be much worse than 9-11. It would be more economically catastrophic than the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Should Moody's do this, we ought to respond with appropriate force. Surround their offices with SWAT teams. Seize and jail their officers, nationalize the banks, fire CEOs and upper management teams and freeze their assets for examination. Tell the oil companies they'd better behave unless they wish to be nationalized as well. Look for other players in the game and hit them hard.

The attacks on the economy and people of the US seem well-coordinated. It is time to wake up to the fact that corporatists are making war on the US economically.
10:59 PM on 06/13/2011
Mr. Hanft:

You ask three questions of Moody’s:

1) *Moody's be in the business of prospectively rating sovereign debt based on whether or not a government takes certain steps?*

Sure! It is what they should be doing. As with other countries (and companies) they analyze those material issues that might have a future material impact on the quality of the subject’s debt. I know you like to spin it like they are unduly ‘influencing’ government policy but I see it as they are simply stating impact of those polices on the quality of US debt.

2) *Do they have the financial credibility and morality authority to do that?*

I believe they do, at least better than other entities tracking the same data. If you do not, then do not adhere to their advice and buy the debt at your own peril. Many an investor has made good profit by contrarian investing and I implore you to do the same. Regardless, as a messenger stating the obvious, which is that if the US does not raise its debt ceiling and/or get its debt under control the chance of default increases, their opinion is not unwarranted.

3) * Should they be reacting to the current situation or should they be theorizing about a complex and variable collection of uncertainties in the future?*

They should be analyzing both: short-term material events that can cause default, e.g. not increasing the debt limit, and long-term sustainability of current borrowing.

Kai
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01:47 AM on 06/14/2011
I'm not so sure about the 'moral authority' bit. The rating agencies pretty much whizzed all over their moral authority and financial credibility with their role in the financial meltdown.
02:01 AM on 06/14/2011
Fair enough. As I said, bet against them if you think they are wrong.

IMHO, I believe them more valid than most to make a call on the problems of our debt. If you disagree, vote with your money, buy American debt.

Kai
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Olderandwiser55
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01:55 PM on 06/14/2011
Mr. kai.....I don't think you read the article. The author wrote his reasons for moodys not being credible-you don't give reasons. Just "have faith" I guess.
09:10 PM on 06/14/2011
You summed it up correctly. He did give very credible examples of wher they have been wrong in the past but I do not believe they are this time. And in this case, I have no reason to believ that they have a moral conflict of interest as they make their findings known. For me, on this specific issue, they have total credibility. And, as I said, if you disagree ased on what you have seen from them, by all means put your money where yoru mouth is and buy US debt. You may be right. I do not think so, and Moody's and S&P are not the only ones to point out potential default risk. So if anything other organizations support their analysis. Let me ask you, have you heard of anything that says the US NOT raising its debt will not result in a potential default? You must be the only one.

IMHO, thsi is one of those articles where the author is attempting to discredit the messenger (easily done I would agree) becuase he does not like the message, though the message is valid.

Kai
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09:47 PM on 06/13/2011
Yes why not have those economists who keep reporting "unexpected" bad news in the economic numbers give debt ratings. If you don't like a bad credit rating quit printing, borrowing and worst spending at a rate never seen in the history of mankind.
02:54 AM on 06/14/2011
Don't forget to end all the useless wars and trim the bloated military budget.
And we could go back to the tax rates before Bush got his hands on them.

And we can pay politicians (both parties) by how well they perform and never more than they are getting now. It should be PUBLIC service and not private enrichment.

Of course we can go after the Wall Street and Bank crooks so others might think twice before taking huge, crazy risks with the money of others.
We could re-regulate our banks and Wall Street and cut out all their crazy actions that threaten the very economic health of America.

And we could cut out corporate loopholes and subsidies.

Companies that outsource should have higher taxes and only consider tax breaks for those that increase American jobs.

We could get rid of the free trade agreements.

Maybe, if we put America AND Americans first....AND stop printing money and borrowing, maybe we can put our country back on the right track!
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rda1911a1
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01:26 PM on 06/14/2011
Sounds like we need a VAT and no loopholes. Be great if every person in America contributed to the treasury
07:37 PM on 06/13/2011
Thank you Adam Hanft for putting forth what I have been thinking since I first read about this discredited company rating US debt. There is simply no logical reason why a company that made such abysmal, incompetent mistakes rating securities should have any say in rating US debt. Moody's and other agencies put lipstick on pigs (bad securitie) and then sold them to pension funds, investment funds and individuals. Get rid of these companies.
06:23 PM on 06/13/2011
Obama should eliminate both Fitch and Moodys. They are both two of the most worthless organizations on the planet.
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Olderandwiser55
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01:58 PM on 06/14/2011
I'm for disclosure. People need to understand these ratings agencies are paid by businesses.I agree they're worthless for that reason. They ask the mega corps "what rating would you like?" Eliminating, no. Exposing, yes.
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06:08 PM on 06/13/2011
Ostrich re-branding. Moody's, Fitch, etc. should know that their credibility is at 0% along with Greenspan, Laffer, Hank Paulson, Larry Summers, Jamie Dimon & Goldman Sachs.

Jail's too good for them- they deserve to be sentenced to live on the Social Security/Medicare of someone who only earned Federal minimum wage for their entire career!

That's an alternative criminal sentence I can approve!
05:44 PM on 06/13/2011
Moody's should its mouth?

Just ignore the debt. Maybe it will go away.

Ostrich economics.
06:55 PM on 06/13/2011
According to Saint Cheney, "Deficits don't matter."
07:01 PM on 06/14/2011
So you think "Saint Cheney" is never wrong?
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04:41 PM on 06/13/2011
Individuals in foreign industrialized countries view the United States government as borrowing back lots of US dollars from the people who we paid to make the things that we consumed, and then spending these huge amounts of US dollars with the careless abandon of a drunken sailor on shore leave buying his new friends that he just met (voters) in a bar with free drinks, who only is concerned about today and will not plan anything for or even think about tomorrow.

This US government attitude is very disturbing to those very same foreigners in industrialized nations that the US government hopes will buy more and more of our freshly printed US Treasury Bonds and securities (hopefully at not too much of a discount and/or not very high interest rates) to pay for our federal US government deficit spending, economic stimulations, our trade deficits, our wars, our social programs, our environmental activities, our free medical care, our bureaucratic employee payrolls, and other various necessary and unnecessary government expenses with the US dollars that the foreigners earned by making things for US consumers and then "loaned" these US dollars back to the US government when the foreigners buy freshly printed US Treasury Bonds.
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04:27 PM on 06/13/2011
The discounts from current value and/or present worth are reflected in scheduled (quarterly) US government bond auction sales to raise (borrow back) US dollars from those individuals in industrialized nations that are creating wealth will mathematically convert to interest rates offered by the public (including foreigners) at public FED auctions to purchase our freshly printed US securities by industrialized manufacturing nations that have accumulated US dollars does depend and reflect upon the confidence that the USA instills these foreigners by our economic actions and ability to repay these US Treasury Bonds when they become due.

The USA must re-industrialize and again start to generate national wealth before the USA no longer has any assets that foreigners will trade for our freshly printed paper US Treasury bonds.

When the USA has no more privately owned wealth and assets (real estate and businesses) for foreigners in industrial countries to exchange for freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds and freshly printed paper US Dollars that we gave the foreigners to make consumer products for US citizens, those foreigners will not accept any more of our freshly printed US dollars to pay for the consumer products that we continue to import and consume.

At this time the purchasing power of the US dollar will approach zero.