Live from New York...Vote Hillary!
Let's face it, the Republicans love Hillary Clinton. They quietly in their heart of hearts pine for her to win the Democratic nomination. The Republican Governor of Florida is rolling out the red carpet for a second primary which will favor Clinton. Pat Buchanan can't be quiet about how much he respects Hillary. Even Ann Coulter pal and SNL sketch writer Jim Downey has written several sketches portraying Hillary as picked on by the press. Downey is one of the all time great sketch writers but I know he's no Hillary fan. Don't get me wrong, I like Hillary and still think Bill Clinton is one of our great presidents. But it's weird. Weird like....well, Pat Buchanan praising Hillary Clinton.
Now it's possible the corporate right wants her to win in order to keep afloat the huge economy of Hillary hate bumper stickers that if my numbers are correct generates over 55 billion dollars in revenue for the south.* They also could be supporting her because after over seven years of the absolute incompetence that is the Bush administration they finally get that corporate welfare and tax breaks for millionaires are not good for the economy. Or maybe they think she's Hilary Swank.
But more likely, in fact, screw it, for sure, they are backing her the way I root for Nenad Krstic to cover Keven Garnett so the Big Ticket can put up twenty and twenty on him.
And yes, it's sad that someone as capable as Hillary would be considered fodder for McCain, a "don't change horses in mid-stream, even when it takes that horse twelve years to cross that stream" kind of guy. Senator McCain just got the thumbs up from Bush. Isn't an endorsement from W like a job reference from that astronaut chick who lost it and wore diapers? Well, she is an astronaut and Bush is president.
The biggest upside of this whole thing is that SNL has clearly still got clout even in this day of a thousand channels and a billion internet sites. They influenced a primary for F's sake. That's big. Now I wrote for the show in the nineties and it's an incredible place that's actually as exciting as it seems like it would be. I've seen SNL have incredible political influence in a good way (Dennis Miller's line about Reagan: "It scares me when the finger nearest the button has a string tied around it.") and a bad way (Portraying Bush and Gore as equally buffoonish in their debates. Bush was an embarrassment and the sketch made people think they were in the same ballpark.). It's had its left wing writers like Al Franken and it's right-wing writers like Jim Downey, who also wrote those Bush-Gore debates sketches. Franken is now running for the Senate and Downey is spinning primaries.
There's no doubt our nation's comedic TV political coverage between SNL, the Daily Show and the Colbert Report is far better than the straight news. And though that's a pithy and tired observation, it's also stone cold, for better or for worse, true.
So put your bumper stickers on your cars Repubs: "Hillary in '08, Up Until November, and then McCain!" If you drive an Excursion it'll fit.
*My numbers were not correct.
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Clinton and McCain have the same big money right wing backer in London and its all tied into the military industrial complex. Either one works for the neocons. Obama scares them. He's not on their leash.
You're speaking much too frankly for much of this audience asahabot. But you're wrong about this Obama guy. And no I don't have some list of facts or speach quotes, because I don't need them. The candidate field has been trimmed of most of the better candidates, not to mention the squashing of any attempt to muscle in on our one Party system. Really now, what's the difference between the two parties? Very very little. Rhetorically they put on a show for the public, screaming at each other over flag burning, bible quotin, gay rights and family values, then all get together at a bar later and joke about it. I HAVE actually seen that. And this guy still thinks Clinton 1 was a 'great President'. Yea, the best Republican President, but Democrats don't see past the Sax playin good, lip quiverin guy they liked and let pass the specific, consistant, and unrefutable record from NAFTA (YES that is a huge betrayal, world shaking for American workers) to welfare "reform" that just arbitrarly dumper 10 of 14 million reciepients offering States bonus' if they could kick more off. On Corporate welfare the reform went in the opposite direction, of course. Environmentally acomplished what Reagan couldn't even pull, increased the insane military budget, increased the insane aid to Israel and the list is endless. This is the "New Democratic Party" as Bill and Hill and Joey and Al decided to join forces almost offically merged the parties. The so called democratic party is simply the center wing of the Republican party now and Americans are seemingly willing to let their party spit in their faces and ignore them. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss folks. And I don't think Obama really scares anyone in the few hundred people that really decide who's the front man this time. Ever notice that there's a lot more than two names on your ballot? History in the last 30 years at least proves the old saw; "Anyone capable of getting elected President isn't fit to hold the job" A'int that the truth. So vote for Hillary, vote for Obama or Vote for John, it matters not a whit. You're wasting your vote. I'm NOT going to waste mine, I'm voting for the closest thing to a 'fit' candidate I can find. Tilting at windmills? I really don't think so. Wake the fuck up people!
what SNL?
you mean: "The Vote for Hillary Show"
Thats the one.Thanks SNL.We Hillary supporters love you.Keep up the good work.
The actor, Fred Armisen, portraying Obama is not racist. He's doing his job. Keenan Thompson is way too large to portray Obama. Stop trying to make something out of nothing. Fred Armisen is Venezulan and Asian-American. You people need to lighten up. It was only a skit!!
I don't think the acusation is that SNL is racist. Where's that comming from. It's more that they're politically biased.
I don't think SNL is racist - but for a show based in NY, it should be called live from Iowa!
They don't care, and don't make the effort to show up the multi-cultural nature of NY, and the rest of America for that matter. What a great insurgence of ideas and new energy and education it would bring to the show if they had a show that had a few Latinos, Asian (can you imagine those jokes about that family life! and the prejudices to laugh at).
It is telling that they're scrambling around looking for a "black guy" to play Obama. They thought he might have disappeared before the strike ended? Or they'll send someone to the store to buy some brown Bobby Brown makeup for the white guy. BTW - i don't care who plays Obama, just that they get it right.
So much power, so little writing skill, or new ideas.
Ok I have a good one for you! Lou Dobbs just introduced a Canadian Goverment man on his show tonight. Guess What they talked about? How Hillary Clintons NAFTA Program has ruined the middle class and shut down factorys all over Canada. Seems Obama did us a favor! The Canadians as well as THE MExico goverment is in wahinlgton right now talking about the problelms with the NAFTA program. Seems the Clintons actually destroyed other countries with the NAFTA program they put out thier. Seems Taking to your niehgbors really does work, and talking to other countries and opening up a dialogue isn't so nieve after all. I think Obama just proved his point! Mccain and Hillary says to talk to other countries that don't agree with our demacrate ways and ideas is jus nieve! Thanks to Obama's talk we know now Canada could help with The NAFTA over haul and find solutions good for us all. Pennsylvania I hope you r listening to how Obama could help your state!
"Canadian Government man"? Well, since their conservatives are in power, they love NAFTA. So maybe the opposition? Look, if you take your political analysis from Lou Fridkin' Dobbs, you deserve what you get. Guess that's part of Obama's "reaching out" to right-wing nutbars, huh?
hey treadway:
Hold your horses... You forget that Obama called the Canadians and said he wasn't going to change anything - remember? That that debate talk was just political rhetoric - and NAFTA would stay the same.
The Canadian politician you're talking about is Jack Layton, who is the leader of another political party here in Canada, and really has very little power and probably never will have. His party is like the third leg ... (Socialist Party) called the NDP - stands for National Democratic Party.. that usually gets a few members elected... and that's about it. But they have no pull with NAFTA... other than talk a lot about it - when they need some publicity.
Not to say I didn't agree with jack and many Canadians feel the same way. NAFTA is.. costing us a fortune.
But again... Hillary is the one who said she wants to reopen the NAFTA talks... Obama said it too... but then of course... there was that famous call to the Canadians, saying he doesn't really mean what he says...
Nobody is buying this crap so go back and try to come up with some lies that are more convincing
Here's the thing. SNL is portraying Barack Obama in black face, which is something that is not new for them. If they had black characters in white face, I wouldn't be concerned (Dave Chapelle has done that brilliantly). However, when a powerful, famous and privileged white woman like Tina Fey endorses Hillary Clinton on a show that portrays the other nominee as a moron in black face, you have to know that is something that we should all feel uncomfortable with. I'm all for funny, I adore South Park and Dave Chapelle and Jon Steweart, and I don't think SNL or Fred Armisen are racist. But it's wrong to assume race isn't a factor here. Look at the exit polls from Ohio, 1 in 5 people said that race was an issue for them, and the strong majority of them voted for.... Hillary. Really, think about it. It doesn't take much to add that all up, and to be justifiably concerned.
And you are uncomfortable with a comedy skit because?Could it be that the comedy skit might just cause people to realize that he and they both are truly morons?I was really impressed with Armisen's preformanc
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Get a grip.
1) He is half black
2) Big Deal
3) It's a comedy sketch
4) No, I am not concerned
5) Try to talk about real issues -- okay?
6) If someone is racist, and they are uncomfortable with a black President, that is their problem, their lack of evolution, and we will probably, unfortunately, always have some stupid racists around. But trying to find something racist in this skit is downright silly!
Obama doesnt even look black he looks like a vulcan.
With SNL being so biased in their treatment of Obama and the media buying into Clinton's throwing of the kitchen sink strategy I wonder if they'll ignore the revelation that the Canadian Gov't received assurances from the Clinton campaign that her anti-NAFTA statements were insincere? The media pounced all over an allegation that Obama's campaign did the same. So will this story get equal treatment?
"TORONTO - Prime Minister Stephen Harper's chief of staff said someone in Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign gave Canada back-channel assurances that her harsh words about the North American Free Trade Agreement were for political show, according to a report by the Canadian Press.
The report comes just days after a Canadian government memo stated Barack Obama's senior economic adviser told Canadian officials that the Illinois senator's own comments about NAFTA were for "political positionin
Ok media, let's see if you play this story up. Oh, and don't forget that we want Hillery to release the tax information she's been hiding for months. Obama released his long ago. What are you hiding? Where did you get the $5 million to loan your campaign? Let's have some answers!
Stephen Harpers cheif of staff is a right winger (in what we in the US would say) He is aiming to help John MCCain, and it worked against Obama , now he is trying it out on HIllary. If Obama understood that he would have replied to the press using this information and it would have been passed off. I bet you that Hillary will. The point is, Obama needs to learn how to play hardball, there is nothing wrong with it. IN fact I think Hillary's hardball will be the best thing that happened to Obama if he is to prevail. Because make no mistake about it, the Republicans and thier affiliated 527's will. They killed Kerry because we had a short primary season which had no tests of indurance for Kerry.
I agree completely. The only thing that could possibly change my mind about Obama is if, in the end, he proves unwilling to fight back.
The Clintonistas always mock that he is Jesus. He needs to prove that he's not by spiting in their face next time they slap him, instead of turning the other cheek.
Gee, well I think she got something like $5-8 million, or something close to that, just for her autobiography.
So, it's not like it is a shock they are millionaires. It's been in the news for quite a while about all the money Bill has earned speaking around the world.
Remember? You know, how everybody loves him around the world?! Did yo forget?!
On Friday mar.7 POllitico;Mike Allen;Canadian Press,Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton,never gave Canada any secret assurances about the future of NAFTA,such as those offered by Barack Hussein Obama'scam
Look, this is how I feel.
I love Obama. I love Hillary. But I am rooting for Hillary to win this time around -- because I believe she is more experienced, and that she will be a better nominee and a better President.
They are both brilliant, and I think they are both in it for the right reasons. If it were up to me, Hillary wouId be elected President this time around, and Obama, after eight more years of experience, either as a V.P. or as a Senator, would be President in 8 years. And unless it is discovered that he was formally a woman and had a sex operation -- or some scandal equally surprising is unearthed -- I can not imagine that he will not become the first black President of the U.S. And I can't wait to see him achieve that.
I am thrilled to see so many white people supporting him because it makes me feel a little bit better about race relations in America. Nothing makes me sadder when I see a situation expose how much hate and racism there is alive in America.
When Michael Vick was indicted, I was all for him getting the maximum sentence -- I am the world's biggest animal lover, and I believe what he did was atrocious and hideous. My desire to see him convicted had nothing to do with skin color. I would happily marry a black man tomorrow if I fell in love with him, and if by some wonderful stroke of luck, my health got better (that is a personal story for another time) and I won the Lotto, I would adopt a bunch of beautiful black babies, because I know they are not only beautiful, but they are more in need of homes than white babies. My point -- there is no racist bone in my white body.
But when I hear these racist comments on this site, or anywhere else, where Hillary is attacked, I get hurt, angry, and sometimes, bitter. When I blogged about Michael Vick, I was attacked all the time by black people who defended him, and accused me of being a Ku Klux Klan member -- simply because I wanted him punished for being brutally abusive to animals!
So, please everyone, let's try to be nice. Let's remember that as Democrats, we basically want the same thing. Yes, I am proud to see a woman come this far. And I am also bursting with pride to see a black man come this far. But when I read these mean-spirited blogs from Obama's supporters, it is disappointing. When I read that his supporters are possibly misbehaving and playing dirty like bussing in loads of college kids from other states to vote in caucuses illegally, I am saddened, and I don't want to believe it.
I want whoever wins, to win fair and square. And that will, most probably, involve Super-Delegates -- neither Hillary or Obama can probably make it without them. And that is totally fair and within the rules. And SNL was dead on in their depiction of the press. The press got caught up in the charismatic appeal of Obama and forgot to do their jobs, and that is not fair to us. I don't want to know who they personally support -- I want the news. But the comedians on SNL had it right -- she has been hitting her head up against a wall, unable to run an aggressive campaign the way BOTH candidates need to. This is a tight race, they must be allowed to run an aggressive campaign, and the press should simply be reporting on the story, not becoming part of the story by voicing their personal picks or biases. I think if it were not for the press, she probably would have locked up the nomination a long time ago. That is my opinion -- because she is more experienced and savvy -- as a candidate and as a politician in general.
If Obama loses the nomination, he will be a better, more savvy candidate next time around. He is young and brilliant, but this fight will only make him more effective as a candidate and as a nominee in either 4 or 8 years.
But either way -- whomever wins -- despite my anger at the press for their behavior and overt bias, I will support the democratic nominee. Let's all try to remember that as Democrats, we all hold, for the most part, the same ideals in our heart. Let's stop all this ugly name-calling and attacks that so many of Obama's supporters are guilty of. I realize many of you are young, and new to the process, but that is not the way to act. This is politics, and it sometimes gets difficult -- but we are Democrats and we should not act mean-spirited. Let's leave that to the Republicans.
Not happening.
You have some nerve throwing Michael Vick into this discussion. Clinton has pulled every single dirty, vile act she possibly can to win. She has not been abused by anyone and she has run an unbelievably incompetent campaign. Obama is supposed to go back and play nice because the first eight years with her husband and her just weren't enough? Anything else he can do for you? Now Hillary is calling Obama Ken Starr which is laughable since it reminds everyone of Clinton's scandal-filled history. SNL endorsed Hillary at their peril and you better stay up every Saturday and watch SNL so they can afford to continue endorsing Republican shill. But to suggest Obama go wait his turn is beyond ridiculous. Michael Vick. You are beyond sickening.
the best reason not to vote for obama , are his supporters, if this is an indication of the kind of people who crawl out of the woodwork for him-i don't think his message of hope and change is catching on...
Your response is exactly what I am talking about.
My post was not mean-spirited, and yet you talk to me like I am a piece of trash. You said "You are beyond sickening.
I did not say for Obama to wait for his turn. I said that I was supporting Hillary and that I liked Obama, but felt he would be even better 8 years from now.
And the reason I mentioned Michael Vick was because I was talking about how sad it made me to be attacked when I voiced my opinion on what his punishment should be. It made me sad to be attacked by his black supporters when I have never felt anything but love and respect in my heart for black people, just as I do for anyone.
And I see this same racial divide in this presidential race. The morning after the caucuses, I spoke to a fellow Democrat, and when he asked how my caucus went, I said that it went fine, but that it made me sad to see such a racial divide, that most of the blacks lined up against the wall on Obama's side of the room were either rude, making ugly remarks regarding Hillary, or they would not speak to you at all, and when a line at a particular table opened up, they chose to remain in a different line, a long line where a black person was working the table, and they refused to even approach the table with no line, to sign in, because a white person was sitting at that table. It made me sad. I was simply lamenting the fact that racism exists. And yet you attack me with a vengeance. I am beyond sickening? Do you really think I deserved that?
What is wrong with you? Anytime I see racism, it makes me sad, and it is like it reopens my eyes all over again, that I naively go along, believing that the world is somewhat okay on that issue, and then when I see it, I am always shocked and hurt by it.
Just as I am by your statement. Your post is abusive, mean, hateful, and hurtful. I wish I could say that you did not cause me to cry, but you did. And I can't help but think that that probably makes you smile or makes you happy.
I feel sorry for you. You are flat-out mean and angry. How very miserable you must be.
I agree with you 100%. The ugly part of both campaigns is the bitterness between the supporters of the candidates, not the candidates. They are just campaigning to win the job of President.
Hillary Clinton is the ABSOLUTE WORSE the Democrats have to offer. How you can think she'd govern any better than she campaigns is beyond me.
monique
please list HRC's specific accomplishments in the senate. I want to know why you think she is more experienced.
Mark Penn is the future Dick Morris. Look for him to be on with Billo trashing the Clintons in years to come.
Funny and true
That's the way most people go once they get to know the Clintons.
The Republicans would prefer to run against whichever Democrat loses Ohio and Pennsylvania and Michigan and Florida and Texas. How the Reagan Democrats and Independents vote in the industrial states and how Latinos and Independents vote in Texas and Florida will decide the general election.
Hillary Clinton just beat Barack Obama in Texas and Ohio. She is the clear favorite in a second contest in Florida and Michigan. Pennsylvania has yet to be heard from, but it should vote quite similarly to Ohio, which means that Clinton should win handily.
So if you're John McCain, who do you want to run against? The guy who won Vermont or the gal who won Ohio?
You've got a lot of gall putting Michigan on that list, she she only won 60-40 against Mr. Nobody.
Probably against the gal whose endorsed you, and whose policies mirror your own.
We've lost with the Republican lite strategy forever, but if you want to play it again...
McCain has been on the attack against Obama for weeks. Why? McCain would prefer to run against Clinton. Why? Because there is a hard core 44% of voters who will not vote for Clinton, and he and the Republican party generally would prefer to run against Clinton. Why? Republicans can roll out a trainload of baggage (travelgate, Madison Guaranty gate, Whitewater gate, missing billingrecords gate, etc., etc.) on Clinton. The baggage has been in storage because Barack Obama has elected to focus on issues and not on the politics of personal destruction.
In sum, it is silly to view Clinton's victory over Obama in Ohio/Texas as predictive of her ability to beat McCain in those states. The real problem at the moment is that the respective supporters of Obama/Clinton will be so bitter over the current fight that they will not turn out for the eventual nominee in the fall.
Heres some potential irony for Tina Fey, by outright supporting Hillary on SNL she helped turn her momemtum in OH and TX, the republicans get what they want(Hilla
If the republicans want Hillary so badly, then why did so many Texas swing voters go for Obama?
Ahhh..thos
8% of Hillarys support in TX was from republicans. Saw it on CNN. Limbaugh, Ingraham were telling their talk radio listeners to cross over and vote in the democratic primary and vote for Hillary. If you consider a swing voter an Independent Obama outperforms her in Independents. I dont consider republicans swing voters.
If you can't tell the difference between Republican voters (who we can win back), and the Republican machine (who is our mortal enemy), you're as bad off as Hillary.
She hugs the machine, and disses the voters.
SNL jumped the shark when Tina Fey gave that spiel supporting Hillary Clinton. I know Tina's the grand poobah of the show and all, but since when does SNL give an editorial without tongue firmly planted in cheek?
Exactly. I think of SNL endorsing a candidate as just as inconceivable as Jon Stewart endorsing a candidate. Watching it, it was just incomprehensible. And then that animated feature on Obama? I was just numb. In truth, I'm really sad. I'll miss SNL, I've always watched it.
Adam, you were just mentioned by TUCKER CARLSON as someone who wrote a deranged column about the SNL bias against Obama. He likened your article to a conspiracy theory. Nice!!!!
Yeah, Tucker also aired the SNL anti-Obama cartoon skit on his show last night, chuckled, and said "I don't see anything wrong with that".
I beg to differ, SNL is irrelevant and has not been funny since the coneheads. I haven't watched SNL in more than a decade.
Because YOU haven't watched SNL in more than a decade... it's irrelevent? That would make SNL irrelevent to you, which would make your comment irrelevent to everyone else.
If you haven't watched SNL in more than a decade, how do you know it isn't funny? I do watch it and it really is very much like it always has been, inconsistent. Occasonally laugh out loud funny, and at other times painfully unfunny. But these days the funny bits have more influence because people share links to the funny or interesting parts.
I guess I am in the minority in thinking that Tina Fey's over the top endorsement of Hillary was funny. But it will have no influence on my vote.
SNL is irrelevant.
The SNL clips being aired 24/7 on the news channels amounts to positive free press for Hillary, and negative attack ads (hidden with a laugh) on Obama.
It was like watching the half-hearted refutations of the Swiftboat ads, over, and over, and over...
Lest we not Forget Lorne Michaels gave a buttload o-Cash and his support to John McCain. I
He must want to sell some crap on his show maybe Hillary to feed to the Republican Machine. Hillary will pay and Michaels is happy to provide Adverlingus.
SNL jumped the snark along time ago. move along nothing to see there.
SNL's take on Hillary was warmed over and beaten to death in the first 30 seconds. It's not particularly funny, pointed or clever. I disagree with Adam, SNL is the equivalent of an editorial cartoon at best. Influence a primary? Encouraging people to watch SNL is proof that Hillary hates America.
Back when SNL started in '75, Lorne Michaels (and much of the staff) was getting high on the job while G.E. kicked back and raked in millions off the show. Now, Michaels says we're still counterculture. Yet he donates to McCain? Just goes to show that when G.E. says jump he says how high?
Well, we know that Barack Obama prays to Jesus every night. Now we learn this from Hillary:
" I believe in the father, son, and Holy Spirit, and I have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit on many occasions in my years on this earth. I pray, I read the Bible, I read commentary on scriptures, I read other people’s faith journeys. That is, for me, at the real core of how I keep feeding my faith. And, I was lucky because, as I said at the faith and politics event, I was taught to pray and I inculcate it as a habit in my daily life."
It's fun to contemplate what would be made of these sentiments if either of them were a Republican.
Oh, Huck-a-bil
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