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Posted: July 13, 2008 12:40 PM

Women Veep Hopefuls on Meet the Press


This morning's face-off between the McCain campaign's Carly Fiorina and the Obama campaign's Claire McCaskill on NBC's Meet the Press served up an historic television moment; it was the first time in the show's history, said moderator Tom Brokaw, that two women had appeared together on the show as the surrogates for opposing campaign.

Watching the two women argue on their candidates' behalf, it was hard not to wonder if we weren't seeing the glimmer of another historic moment to come. Will a woman be chosen to fill the veep slot on either ticket?

I have long suspected that if Obama doesn't choose a woman, McCain almost certainly will -- as long as he can find one sufficiently right-wing enough. In order to make a woman vice presidential pick work for him, McCain will need to find an agent of intolerance in heels. (Is Bay Buchanan ready to govern?)

Fiorina was pretty impressive in terms of poise and advocacy for her candidate, but she came off as unsympathetic to the travails of regular people trying to make ends meet by essentially making the argument last advanced by the prospective ambassador to Belarus that we're not really in a recession and people who say they're struggling are just whiners. While Fiorina didn't say that last part, she did seem to be arguing that things aren't as bad as they seem. She also made a tactical error when, confronted with a clip of McCain saying the economy would straighten itself out, she told Brokaw, "You can make a sound bite say anything you want." Brokaw was visibly caught off-guard by this assertion of dishonesty on his part, a reaction that played to his favor, not Fiorina's.

And she's just likely to pass muster with the religious right, whose databases of voters McCain will need to win. See, it's not just about appealing to that movement's masses; it's about winning the cooperation of its leaders. No cooperation, and there's little chance for a massive voter-mobilization effort from those quarters.

McCaskill's poise continues to impress me. She gave a flawless performance, countering every challenge with an appealing blend of facts and spin. There's plenty for a liberal like me not to like about McCaskill -- not least of which her FISA votes, which were more telecom-coddling than Obama's (and I'm none too pleased about his). But it's hard not to see a formidable candidate and teammate for Obama, one who would appeal to women who voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries.

For the record, neither woman denied her interest in the office -- a refreshing change from the usual "happy where I am" chant of vice presidential hopefuls. And McCaskill all but said she was in the running. When asked by Brokaw if she was "being vetted," and whether she had been asked by the Obama campaign to fork over "documents" (presumably tax returns, etc.), McCaskill said the campaign had asked her not to talk about it.

For any presidential candidate, the vice-presidential pick is one of the most important decisions he or she will make. For Barack Obama in this historic year, it's critical. If he fails to pick a woman, and McCain does, McCain will likely win not only that contingent of disgruntled Hillary voters who are holding fast to their grudges, but may also win swing voters from the ranks of America's working women.

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This morning's face-off between the McCain campaign's Carly Fiorina and the Obama campaign's Claire McCaskill on NBC's Meet the Press served up an historic television moment; it was the first time in ...
This morning's face-off between the McCain campaign's Carly Fiorina and the Obama campaign's Claire McCaskill on NBC's Meet the Press served up an historic television moment; it was the first time in ...
 
 
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cmaurand
10:44 AM on 07/14/2008
Just in case you missed it, Congress will coddle the telecoms since they are the 4th largest contributors of lobbying and campaign money (2.5B). 1 is Finance, Insurance and Real Estate ($3.1B), 2 is Health (2.9B..I can't say how much overlap there is there between Health Insurance and Health Care and its why nothing is getting fixed and the solutions proposed are just more of the same as what we have now. but that is a different argument), 3 is Misc Business (2.7B). Congress is not about to bite the hand that feeds them.
Source: http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=c A more interesting page is http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/mems.php or who's getting what.

We gotta get the money out of there. Until that happens its the US Congress owned and operated by big business.
10:33 AM on 07/14/2008
I strongly believe that the best way for Obama to unify the party and win in Nov would be to put HRC on the ticket. She got half of all votes cast and draws from demographic groups he has been unable to attract. But if he doesn't ask her or -- or if she declines -- I personally think it would be great (and smart) for him to pick another woman.

McCain has the advantage of announcing his VP decision AFTER Obama. If Obama does not select Hillary (or some other well respected woman), count on McCain to pick either Kay Bailey Hutchinson (pro-choice helps with moderates) or Palin, the immensely popular governor of Alaska. Many of HRC's moderate and/or still disgruntled supporters would flock to such a ticket in a heartbeat.
09:56 AM on 07/14/2008
Anyone else sick of hearing about what would be an "insult" to HRC supporters? They seem to be perpetually prepared to be offended, ever ready to flounce off in a state of high dudgeon, heels clacking angrily on the tile floor.

Sen. McCaskill may be unqualified as a one-term senator, and Sen. Clinton may have qualifications beyond her two terms. But the notion that the supporters of a two-term senator would be insulted by the selection of a one-term senator is amazing. Like I said: ever ready to be offended.

(And no, I don't particularly support McCaskill for VP. But enough already.)
09:53 AM on 07/14/2008
Obama will not ask Clinton for the VP spot and if asked, she will refuse. So, no female VP for Obama, because every other woman on the ticket would be an insult to the Hillary part of the party. Besides, there are no worthwhile candidates.Sibelius? Napolitano who even failed to bring in Arizona for Obama? some freshman senator like Catskill? Pelosi? Gimme a break!!

McCain, on the other hand has some interesting choices: Sarah Palin from Alaska, Hutchinson from Texas, Snowe from Maine or Jodi Rell from Connecticut or Linda Lingle from Hawaii.
07:03 AM on 07/14/2008
It was clear for anyone to see that Carly Fiorina is a light-weight in comparison to Claire McCaskill, she simply didn't measure up. Senator McCaskill' command of the issues is impressive, and so is her resume, which demonstrates her concern for the lives of average americans and makes her the best choice for VP. McCain is running on a policy of war war war, while Obama is running on a policy of reclaiming America for it's citizens, not America for the priveliged and corporations.
McCain spent the Vietnam war as a POW, in a lost war (no shame), but in his mind he still believes he needs to redeem himself-- his mind-set is one of war, until he has his victory, no matter the costs.
Obama/McCaskill would indeed be a new beginning, a new mind-set, a victory for America.
Lastly, Brokaw is the lousiest interim solution for MTP, and I hope to God that the execs finally get around to putting Andrea Mitchell in that chair.
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Sometimes I like to touch other people's food
09:46 AM on 07/14/2008
I thought Brokaw did an excellent job. At least he calls the right-wingers on some of their b.s.--unlike the last occupant of that chair.
05:26 AM on 07/14/2008
Kathleen Sebelius should (and I suspect WILL be) Obama's VP running mate. She's awesome.
09:58 AM on 07/14/2008
I hope so, but I think Obama will be advised not to pick for no other reason than it would offend Hillary supporters. They'll be happy if picks Hillary, but not another woman no matter what her qualifications. What's the word to describe someone who passes over someone for a job simply because of their gender?
11:05 AM on 07/14/2008
those angry will people will not like obama no matter what. i trust him to pick the VP who will help him the most. I hope it's Sebelius because I love her.
02:11 AM on 07/14/2008
If Tim Russert were alive, he would be appalled at the way this show has turned.

Carly Fiorina has no business being on Meet the Press. Who is she? A loser, incompetent ex-CEO who destroyed a company, disappeared for a while, contributed millions to be "bought" back into the inner circles of politics, since she is ex-communicated from the corporate world, all the while she spews lies for sensationalism. This woman does not have an altruistic bone in her body, has no political experience, accomplishments or particular insights, and yet she gets a seat at Russert's former table.

What a disgrace.
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Texas4Obama
Obama 2012
01:51 AM on 07/14/2008
Obama/Sebelius '08
01:35 AM on 07/14/2008
I like McCaskill personally, but does she have enough experience? She's a first term senator. It seems like Obama would be wiser to go with Sebelius as she brings executive experience to the ticket.

I agree that McCaskill makes a great surrogate and by all accounts gets along with Obama real well.
12:02 AM on 07/14/2008
Now that Bill Richardson's bumbling speaking skills (and Obama's strong poll numbers with Hispanics) seem to have sent Richardson out of contention, my favourite veep possibility remains Claire McCaskill. The Joe Bidens and Sam Nunns are great, but the idea of one of them on the ticket reminds me of Dukakis shoring up perceived weaknesses by choosing Lloyd Bentsen--only to have several media cycles dominated by the "shouldn't the ticket be reversed?" discussion. (Obama choosing a general would be a similar backfire.)

Obama needs to make an Al Gore-like choice who shores up his own strengths as a change agent. Only two people still being widely discussed do this: Tim Kaine and Claire McCaskill.

In the end, McCaskill seems the more inspired choice. She's been a tremendous surrogate for months, both enthusiastic and thoughtful. She's been to Obama what Ed Rendell was for Hillary: his most cheerful, persuasive and likeable salesman. Her weakness could also be sold as a strength: only two years in Washington. But, like Obama, she has an extensive state government resume (in fact, more extensive). She underscores change and seems ready for the national stage without overshadowing the top of the ticket. She seems effortlessly presidential in the same way it took Hillary months of campaigning to achieve. McCaskill's what Dianne Feinstein could have been back in 1984 when Mondale blew it and went for the harsher and much-less-presidential Geraldine Ferraro. Obama has a chance to right the historical balance.
12:29 AM on 07/14/2008
"She underscores change." She voted yes on FISA and no on immunity for the telecoms. How is that change?
12:35 AM on 07/14/2008
I meant to type she voted no on STRIKING immunity for the telecoms. Just a little difference there.

Sorry.
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MrPragmatic
11:53 PM on 07/13/2008
McCaskil is a bad bad choice. Why? She is a first term senator like Obama. She may be a good surrogate and a great senator, but come on she is not qualified to be president. This is insulting to HRC who is a second term senator and all other qualified candidates. I mean what qualifications does she have to be commander in chief? At least HRC serves on the Armed Forces comitte and has been a public servant with a record.
12:12 AM on 07/14/2008
I agree..anyone dumb enough to think McCaskil would quiet down the voters supporting HIllary and pushing for gender equality in the Party are sadly mistaken...McCaskil barely won, MO is leaning heavily Repub and she's as wet behind the ears as Obama.

I don't know how you can rate her as a 'great' senator...she followed Obama on FISA...nothing great about that...and that tired old argument about education..public/private/vouchers...I think both parties think it's the only issue women are capable of wrapping their tiny little minds around...for 35 years I've heard the same old blah blah blah about education...nothing changes, nothing improves...if public ed were a business, it would have been bankrupt by the late 50's...scrap the whole damn system and start over again...or just give me back my tax money and I'll figure it our for myself.
01:41 AM on 07/14/2008
Fair comments, although the latest numbers do NOT show Missouri "leaning heavily Repub." Several long-reliable GOP seats are up for grabs this year. Plus, don't underestimate McCaskill's ability to help deliver the state. Sure she barely won in 2006, but that was against an incumbent who, while he lacked experience and long-term name recognition, had a huge funding advantage and a generally positive public rating; not to mention that the state was not nearly as anti-Iraq War as much of the nation.
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Reality disagrees with Conservative assessments
12:33 AM on 07/14/2008
Yes, Hillary Clinton has a record, and he has been active in effecting many sorely needed changes. Unfortunately, she's betrayed ordinary people in need of health care because she chose to support the insurance companies who supported her, and she betrayed the people who trusted her to represent them and do her job of basing her choice on the facts when she supported the Iraq war without even looking at the facts.

There's a lot more to her record, of course, but while Hillary has accomplished many great things, her actions as a Senator don't speak of the judgment and loyalty to the Constitution--and her duty to the American people--that we obviously need in a Second-in-Command after this administration.
08:53 PM on 07/13/2008
I think she is fabulous, but yes, it would be best if she stayed put for now and Obama chose a male with miliary experience. I have nothing but admiration for the role she has played in the campaign, and now her FISA vote.
12:26 AM on 07/14/2008
I'm not sure if you agree with her FISA vote or you don't really know how she voted on FISA.

Not only did she vote FOR FISA but she also voted AGAINST striking telecom immunity from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Bill. Maybe you agree with both of those votes but many on here do not.
07:05 PM on 07/13/2008
but i dont believe this writers assertion is factually correct.

which self respecting woman, republican or no, will actually choose to vote mccain PURELY because he has a woman as veep, and DESPITE all the damage he plans to do while in office?

really? a failed CEO, at that. purely because she has ...female parts. reeally?
i would like to think us women are much more sensible than that.
06:57 PM on 07/14/2008
You would be surprised what some of these women who claim that they want to teach the DNC a lesson would do.

Face it some women have no problem cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
06:52 PM on 07/13/2008
McCaskill won her seat by a whisper, beating incumbent Republican Jim Talent. An open Senate race in Missouri would be close, and might even bring Talent back. Also, she's a new Senator, like Obama, which would add to the charges of Democratic ticket's inexperience, though she has a long record of public service in Missouri.
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EbonBear
opinionated hairy man
05:33 PM on 07/13/2008
I think Obama will play it safe and pick a white male (Edwards perhaps?) on the assumption that having a black guy AND a woman on the ticket may be more change than the US is ready for.

McCain, being a crusty white guy, may pick a youngish woman for his VP. I have recurring nightmares on him choosing Condi Rice just so the GOP can smear her opponants as both racist and sexist.
08:22 PM on 07/13/2008
No, let him unite the repubs and Dem's by picking Hagel of Nebr. He's a repub, but votes more along Dem's lines. Even if Mccain picks a woman than, Obama blows him out of the water any way. Plus Hagel brings him the Military expertese he needs.
03:53 AM on 07/14/2008
Hagel votes along Dem lines only on the war. He's very conservative on all the social issues which would definitely not go down well with Dem voters. You can scratch Hagel off your vp wish list.